[Az-Geocaching] Mad Park Ranger

Koch, Dan listserv@azgeocaching.com
Wed, 7 Jul 2004 14:22:18 -0400


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One great place to investigate, and yes...it takes an effort, is the state
land department downtown.  They have detailed maps available showing the
'ownership' of every plot of land in the state.  Once you know who 'owns' a
piece of land, you can use http://www.geocachingpolicy.info/
<http://www.geocachingpolicy.info/>  <http://www.geocaching-policy.info>  to
find out if they have a published policy on geocaching.  Then you can
contact them to receive permission to hide the cache.
 
LazyK - Dan
 
 
 ----- Original Message ----- 

From: David  <mailto:dthompsen@yahoo.com> Thompsen 
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com <mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com>  
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Mad Park Ranger

This brings up something I've wanted to know for a long time.
 
Can someone that is in the know compile a list of  which sections of Arizona
are off-limits or require permission?  Some, like Native American land,
would seem to me to be obviously off-limits, but I really am not sure about
some of the parks and/or mountains as to who they're managed by or whether
they're appropriate.  A comprehensive list, if possible, would be extremely
helpful.

arry H <friared1@yahoo.com> wrote:

Any land managed by the National Park Service is
off-limits to physical geocaches.

--- Trisha wrote:
> Is a "National Monument" exactly the same as a
> "National Park"?
> As in....."Grand Canyon National Park" or
> "Yellowstone National Park",
> are these treated the same as a "National Monument"
> or in this case,
> "Coronado National Memorial"?
> If they are the same, shouldn't the "rules" list ALL
> the National
> categories (Parks, Monuments, etc) as off
> limits....or maybe it does
> already? I thought all it said was "National Parks".
> What about something like the "Cabeza NATIONAL
> Wildlife Refuge?" Arent
> there several caches in there that a bunch of teams
> went in and found
> together? Is that treated the SAME as a "National
> Park"?
> This needs clarification, I was only aware of the
> ban in "National
> Parks" and on my map the area in question (I think)
> says "Coronado
> National Memorial" NOT PARK.??
> Trisha "Lightning"
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:54:12 -0700, "Brian - Team
> A.I." wrote:
> 
> > 
> > He's a law enforcement official, and well within
> his rights to make
> > sure you
> > aren't wanted (and for his safety), near the
> border or in the middle
> > of a
> > city. That being said, I think he is right in the
> fact that it isn't
> > allowed. This may have existed prior to the rule
> banning caches in
> > National
> > Parks.
> > 
> > Brian
> > Team A.I.
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Team J" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 7:47 PM
> > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Mad Park Ranger
> > 
> > 
> > > I'm on the watch list for this cache and got
> this today. Anyone
> who
> > deals
> > > with the various gov't people about geocaching
> may be interested. 
> I
> > don't
> > > know how big a deal it may be/become, but this
> isn't a good thing
> for
> > > geocaching. A Park Ranger caught a geocacher,
> "ran his ID," and
> > informed
> > > him he couldn't have a geocache in the nat'l
> park without a
> permit. 
> > See
> > > below fwd'd message for the actual post. I'm
> not trying to dime
> out
> > the
> > > finder or the hider. I just thought the event
> was worth noting for
> > all of
> > > us.
> > >
> > > Noah of Team J
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: 
> > > To: 
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 11:33 AM
> > > Subject: [LOG] Watchlist: fender437 found Cave
> Hike Cache
> > (Traditional
> > > Cache)
> > >
> > >
> > > > This is an automated message from
> Geocaching.com
> > > >
> > > > You are receiving this email because this
> listing is on your
> watch
> > list.
> > > Visit the web site to change your watchlist
> settings.
> > > >
> > > > fender437 found Cave Hike Cache (Traditional
> Cache) at 7/6/2004
> > > >
> > > > Log Date: 7/6/2004
> > > > Found it no prob! lem, but when I closed it up a
> park ranger was
> > standing
> > > there. He informed me that you can't have a
> geocashe in the
> national
> > park
> > > without a permit. I thanked him for the info and
> tried to go on my
> > way,
> > but
> > > he ran my ID, so I guess I am now on a on a list
> of some kind.
> Don't
> > know
> > if
> > > it will still be there anymore.
> > > >
> > > > Visit this log entry at the below address:
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=61a5e00d-228b-4548-ae74-31672a0
7f9d0
> > > >
> > > > Visit GC61EA
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=11fda3f9-65ef-4c17-bf
be-295e427d8311
> > > >
>! > > > Profile for fender437:
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?guid=0e1430f0-7cd9-41b2-80f6-fc58e7fd2bf0
> > > >
> > > > Search for caches from this location:
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/nearest.aspx?lat=31.3465666666667&lon=-110.25
755
> > > >
> > >
>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=366250818-07072004><FONT face=Arial 
color=#0000ff size=2>One great place to investigate, and yes...it takes&nbsp;an 
effort, is the state land department downtown.&nbsp;&nbsp;They 
have&nbsp;detailed maps available&nbsp;showing the 'ownership' of every plot of 
land in the state.&nbsp; Once you know&nbsp;who 'owns'&nbsp;a piece of land, you 
can use <A 
href="http://www.geocachingpolicy.info/">http://www.geocachingpolicy.info/</A><A 
href="http://www.geocaching-policy.info"></A>&nbsp;to find out if they have a 
published policy on geocaching.&nbsp; Then you can contact them to receive 
permission to hide the cache.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=366250818-07072004><FONT face=Arial 
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=366250818-07072004><FONT face=Arial 
color=#0000ff size=2>LazyK - Dan</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=366250818-07072004></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=366250818-07072004><FONT face=Arial 
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=366250818-07072004>&nbsp;</SPAN>----- 
Original Message ----- </DIV>
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    <DIV 
    style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
    <A title=dthompsen@yahoo.com href="mailto:dthompsen@yahoo.com">David 
    Thompsen</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=listserv@azgeocaching.com 
    href="mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com">listserv@azgeocaching.com</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 07, 2004 10:52 
    AM</DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Az-Geocaching] Mad Park 
    Ranger</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV>This brings up something I've wanted to know for a long time.</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>Can someone that is in the know compile a list of&nbsp; which sections 
    of Arizona are off-limits or require permission?&nbsp; Some, like Native 
    American land, would seem to me to be obviously off-limits, but I really am 
    not sure about some of the parks and/or mountains as to who they're managed 
    by or whether they're appropriate.&nbsp; A comprehensive list, if possible, 
    would be extremely helpful.<BR><BR><B><I>arry H 
    &lt;friared1@yahoo.com&gt;</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
    <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq 
    style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Any 
      land managed by the National Park Service is<BR>off-limits to physical 
      geocaches.<BR><BR>--- Trisha <TRISHA@BRASHER.COM>wrote:<BR>&gt; Is a 
      "National Monument" exactly the same as a<BR>&gt; "National Park"?<BR>&gt; 
      As in....."Grand Canyon National Park" or<BR>&gt; "Yellowstone National 
      Park",<BR>&gt; are these treated the same as a "National Monument"<BR>&gt; 
      or in this case,<BR>&gt; "Coronado National Memorial"?<BR>&gt; If they are 
      the same, shouldn't the "rules" list ALL<BR>&gt; the National<BR>&gt; 
      categories (Parks, Monuments, etc) as off<BR>&gt; limits....or maybe it 
      does<BR>&gt; already? I thought all it said was "National Parks".<BR>&gt; 
      What about something like the "Cabeza NATIONAL<BR>&gt; Wildlife Refuge?" 
      Arent<BR>&gt; there several caches in there that a bunch of teams<BR>&gt; 
      went in and found<BR>&gt; together? Is that treated the SAME as a 
      "National<BR>&gt; Park"?<BR>&gt; This needs clarification, I was only 
      aware of the<BR>&gt; ban in "National<BR>&gt; Parks" and on my map the 
      area in question (I think)<BR>&gt; says "Coronado<BR>&gt; National 
      Memorial" NOT PARK.??<BR>&gt; Trisha "Lightning"<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; 
      <BR>&gt; On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:54:12 -0700, "Brian - Team<BR>&gt; A.I." 
      wrote:<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; He's a law enforcement 
      official, and well within<BR>&gt; his rights to make<BR>&gt; &gt; sure 
      you<BR>&gt; &gt; aren't wanted (and for his safety), near the<BR>&gt; 
      border or in the middle<BR>&gt; &gt; of a<BR>&gt; &gt; city. That being 
      said, I think he is right in the<BR>&gt; fact that it isn't<BR>&gt; &gt; 
      allowed. This may have existed prior to the rule<BR>&gt; banning caches 
      in<BR>&gt; &gt; National<BR>&gt; &gt; Parks.<BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; 
      Brian<BR>&gt; &gt; Team A.I.<BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; ----- Original 
      Message ----- <BR>&gt; &gt; From: "Team J" <GEOTEAMJ@HOTMAIL.COM><BR>&gt; 
      &gt; To: <LISTSERV@AZGEOCACHING.COM><BR>&gt; &gt; Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 
      2004 7:47 PM<BR>&gt; &gt; Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Mad Park Ranger<BR>&gt; 
      &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; I'm on the watch list for this cache 
      and got<BR>&gt; this today. Anyone<BR>&gt; who<BR>&gt; &gt; deals<BR>&gt; 
      &gt; &gt; with the various gov't people about geocaching<BR>&gt; may be 
      interested. <BR>&gt; I<BR>&gt; &gt; don't<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; know how big a 
      deal it may be/become, but this<BR>&gt; isn't a good thing<BR>&gt; 
      for<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; geocaching. A Park Ranger caught a 
      geocacher,<BR>&gt; "ran his ID," and<BR>&gt; &gt; informed<BR>&gt; &gt; 
      &gt; him he couldn't have a geocache in the nat'l<BR>&gt; park without 
      a<BR>&gt; permit. <BR>&gt; &gt; See<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; below fwd'd message 
      for the actual post. I'm<BR>&gt; not trying to dime<BR>&gt; out<BR>&gt; 
      &gt; the<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; finder or the hider. I just thought the 
      event<BR>&gt; was worth noting for<BR>&gt; &gt; all of<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
      us.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; Noah of Team J<BR>&gt; &gt; 
      &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; ----- Original Message ----- 
      <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; From: <NOREPLY@GEOCACHING.COM><BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; To: 
      <GEOTEAMJ@HOTMAIL.COM><BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 
      11:33 AM<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; Subject: [LOG] Watchlist: fender437 found 
      Cave<BR>&gt; Hike Cache<BR>&gt; &gt; (Traditional<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
      Cache)<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; This is 
      an automated message from<BR>&gt; Geocaching.com<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
      &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; You are receiving this email because 
      this<BR>&gt; listing is on your<BR>&gt; watch<BR>&gt; &gt; list.<BR>&gt; 
      &gt; &gt; Visit the web site to change your watchlist<BR>&gt; 
      settings.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; fender437 found 
      Cave Hike Cache (Traditional<BR>&gt; Cache) at 7/6/2004<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
      &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Log Date: 7/6/2004<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
      Found it no prob! lem, but when I closed it up a<BR>&gt; park ranger 
      was<BR>&gt; &gt; standing<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; there. He informed me that you 
      can't have a<BR>&gt; geocashe in the<BR>&gt; national<BR>&gt; &gt; 
      park<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; without a permit. I thanked him for the info 
      and<BR>&gt; tried to go on my<BR>&gt; &gt; way,<BR>&gt; &gt; but<BR>&gt; 
      &gt; &gt; he ran my ID, so I guess I am now on a on a list<BR>&gt; of some 
      kind.<BR>&gt; Don't<BR>&gt; &gt; know<BR>&gt; &gt; if<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; it 
      will still be there anymore.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
      Visit this log entry at the below address:<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; 
      &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; 
      &gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=61a5e00d-228b-4548-ae74-31672a07f9d0<BR>&gt; 
      &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Visit GC61EA<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
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      &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;! &gt; &gt; &gt; Profile for fender437:<BR>&gt; &gt; 
      &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; 
      &gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?guid=0e1430f0-7cd9-41b2-80f6-fc58e7fd2bf0<BR>&gt; 
      &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Search for caches from this 
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