[Az-Geocaching] RE: Az-Geocaching digest, Vol 1 #611 - 2 msgs
Brian Cluff
listserv@azgeocaching.com
26 Aug 2002 15:21:35 -0700
We descovered about a week ago from a message posted to the list by Rand
Hubbell that the message that the republic printed to the world and Mr.
Hubbell's attitude towards geocaching is quite a bit different.
I still have to take him up on his lunch offer so that I can get some
exact details, but so far what I have gathered is that everyone seems to
like geocaching, but they would like us not to place caches on
archeology sites. Placeing a cache on a archeology site is also against
the rules on geocaching.com Their main reasoning is that the sites can
have artifacts on or just underneath the ground that you might not even
notice or know about but the foot traffic in the area can pulverize them
so that when someone can and does get around to the site, important
parts of history can be ground into powder.
I tend to agree with their reasoning and would suggest that people
remove or move to a safe distance all caches on archeology sites... even
the virtual ones since they still show up on their radar and they don't
solve the problem of eliminating traffic from these small areas. We
should at least move the cache to a safe distance away and then inside
the cache put coordinates to the site so that it doesn't show up on
their radar and we get the blame for a kegger held on the site.
I hope to see if there are any sites that they aren't worried about
stuff underfoot that we could place caches at.
Brian Cluff
Team Snaptek
On Mon, 2002-08-26 at 20:09, Patricia A. Fox wrote:
> People like Mr. Hubbell seem to forget the meaning of terms like "Public
> Lands." Or how about "National Forests," "Federal Lands" is another good
> one. Perhaps I'm mistaken but this country was founded on the premise that
> the power of the "government" was to be in the hands of the people. That
> is, that we the people are the Federal Government and the lands are ours.
> The bureaucrats mistakenly believe that they make the rules! (Just as an
> aside, the vast majority of archeological discoveries of the last two
> centuries were made by or funded by "amateurs," not archeologists.)
>
> Foxslair.
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> 1. Re: [[Az-Geocaching] Republic's Follow-Up] (Mark Heitowit)
> 2. RE: [[Az-Geocaching] Republic's Follow-Up] (Team Tierra Buena)
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> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:27:32 -0700
> From: Mark Heitowit <mheitowit@usa.net>
> To: <listserv@azgeocaching.com>
> Subject: Re: [[Az-Geocaching] Republic's Follow-Up]
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> This cartoon, which appeared in the Republic on Saturday, says it all.
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> http://www.uclick.com/client/azc/nq/2002/08/24/index.html
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> "Team Tierra Buena" <teamtierrabuena@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > The "Republic" has finally published a follow-up story, on Page One...
> > of the "Local" section. Still talking about the "...18 known caches on
> > or near archaeological sites..." without mentioning that many of them
> > are virtual caches.
> >
> > But it's a step in the right direction. Mr. Hubbell talks about adopting
> > rules and obtaining permission, both of which I favor. I just hope that
> > when people seek permission that it will be granted from time to time,
> > unlike the experience I had with another parks agency and which I have
> > mentioned in an earlier posting. I'm also concerned about the county's
> > request that caches be placed within three feet of trails. Isn't there
> > some way that hiders and the park staff could jointly monitor the impact
> > of placing a cache in a particular location, rather than coming up with
> > an arbitrary restriction? With permissions (permits? Fine, IMO) being
> > granted, that shouldn't be difficult.
> >
> > Finally, I note the "Republic's" new feature, the Unintentional Irony
> > Department: In the same edition, on Page One of the "Living" section,
> > there is an article about lightweight backpacks. In that article,
> > there's a quote from a guy who is described as, "...an avid hiker who
> > enjoys exploring off-trail routes in the Grand Canyon."
> >
> > Steve
> > Team Tierra Buena
> > "...attracting adventure-seekers but creating panic among
> > authorities..."
> >
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> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:38:17 -0700
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> > This cartoon, which appeared in the Republic on Saturday, says it all.
>
> How on earth did I miss that one? Thanks, Mark!
>
> Steve
> Team Tierra Buena
> "...attracting adventure-seekers but creating panic among
> authorities..."
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