[Az-Geocaching] Adopting a cache
Brian Casteel
bcasteel at uccinc.net
Sat May 5 23:58:51 MST 2007
Since you decided to so rudely go there, let's dance.
I cut my teeth caching August 23, 2001 finding my first cache in the
Riparian Preserve in Gilbert, AZ. I found my first 911 finds in Arizona
before I made a choice to move my wife and kids closer to her family in
Billings, and 2 hours SE in Sheridan, WY. A few of my caches are still
active in Arizona, and I started the Adopt-A-Highway for Arizona
Geocachers on the Beeline Highway near Gilbert Road.
Jake started in caching a little less than a year before you and has 78
fewer finds than you. But his participation in caching doesn't need to
meet some criteria that you set forth as valid for being an active
participant. Jake runs geocoin-info.net, a one stop shopping place for
all things Geocoin knowledge. It is a featured site in a sticky thread
on the Groundspeak Forums, specifically the fourth thread down in the
Geocoin Discussions area. He attends quite a few event caches, and
brings his coin collection along to show others, and spends most of his
time at those events providing information and guidance on the geocoin
process. He and I designed the AZ Geocoin, and have designed our own
personal coin, among other projects not yet public knowledge. There
is/was a caching team in Canada who has ZERO finds, but plenty of hides,
so do they not cache enough?
You have 400 finds in over 4 years, so who are you to criticize how much
someone caches if you're barely pushing one cache per week? Pot? The
kettle is calling. Perhaps you go for the more difficult caches, so
more power to you. Despite that, you have no business criticizing how
often someone goes out and caches. Despite your ranking on the Deep
Southwest Caching Project, one could argue the case that you hardly
cache as well, so you might want to choose your words more carefully.
You can say that we're so 'vocal' on the azgc listserv, but lately that
hasn't been the case for either of us. I haven't posted for a few
months until recently, and neither has Jake. In fact, that will be the
extent to which I justify my posting here, since I don't need your
approval. I made many friends through my years caching in Arizona, and
I keep in touch with the community this way, at least in some cases.
Would you chastise Team Sand Dollar if he was to post here as well? How
about Wyle E, who created some of the most mind numbing puzzle caches
out there?
Brian
Team A.I.
noshdoo tsoh wrote:
>
> Why is it that a guy who hardly caches at all, and a guy who lives in
> Montana are so vocal on an Arizona Geocaching Listserve?
>
>
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> *From:* az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com
> [mailto:az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Jake Olson
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 05, 2007 2:46 PM
> *To:* listserv at azgeocaching.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Az-Geocaching] Adopting a cache
>
>
>
> I coudl see where if a new cache was placed by a new cacher was within
> the .10 mile area that they would refuse to un-archive it... but
> because of the container missing???
>
>
>
> Jake - Team A.I.
>
>
>
> On 5/5/07, *Brian Casteel* <bcasteel at uccinc.net
> <mailto:bcasteel at uccinc.net>> wrote:
>
> Funny. Just last month I had a MIA cache un-archived when it was
> replaced.
>
> Brian - Team A.I.
>
> AZcachemeister wrote:
> > HA! Well that's a new 'RULE' I have never heard of! The container
> > going missing isn't the issue, it's his way of saying he doesn't want
> > it done, and he is going to throw his weight around to get his way.
> > I say you should cut it short, hide your new cache and reference the
> > old one in some way. You can put whatever you want in the 'Hidden By'
> > box!
> > Then very clearly state that this is a replacement cache, and that
> > finders of the previous cache will have their logs deleted. The only
> > thing preventing anyone from posting multiple logs on any cache is
> > their conscience and the owner's diligence in deleting them. I would,
> > however, recommend allowing notes by previous finders, just as should
> > be allowed for any cache.
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > Bob & Linda Smith wrote:
> >> I started with RoadRunner and never got a reply so I went to GC.com
> >> and Michael stepped in. He is saying something about, "once a
> >> container is missing the cache can no longer be un-archived" He has
> >> not told me that any business has contacted GC. He suggested I post
> >> a new page, using the same name, etc. I don't want to do that, I
> >> want to keep it all the same, using the original cachers name and
> >> just appending my name after his. I don't want a new page where
> >> someone who has found it before can log a new find. It's a great bit
> >> of history and a bench mark is close by. I've sent him another
> >> missile and hope it hits the mark.
> >>
> >> Thanks folks,
> >> Bob Smith, Team Petite Elite
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> *From:* AZcachemeister <mailto: azcachemeister at getnet.com
> <mailto:azcachemeister at getnet.com>>
> >> *To:* listserv at azgeocaching.com
> <mailto:listserv at azgeocaching.com> <mailto: listserv at azgeocaching.com
> <mailto:listserv at azgeocaching.com>>
> >> *Sent:* Saturday, May 05, 2007 6:27 AM
> >> *Subject:* Re: [Az-Geocaching] Adopting a cache
> >>
> >> A) Caches are un-archived all the time, occasionally under just
> >> such a scenario.
> >> B) You are talking to the wrong guy, you need to contact
> >> RadRunner, our approver.
> >> C) If all else fails, put a new cache in the same spot. I know
> >> it's nice to keep the old history, so maybe you will have to call
> >> your cache 'A tribute to 'All Aboard' Gone'.
> >> D) After reviewing the cache page, it appears there is something
> >> more to the story. Perhaps a local business owner has contacted
> >> Groundspeak about the cache?
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >> Steven Stringham wrote:
> >>> The reality is that the methods are there to dearchive and then
> adopt.
> >>>
> >>> So, the question is, what is the reasons that Michael is
> stepping in.
> >>> This is odd for the Community relations folks to do this.
> >>> * Has someone in the cache area requested that the cache die?
> >>> * Is there a change in GC policy? (Older caches must die,
> whatever).
> >>> * Is he just a pain in the .... and wants to give you grief.
> >>>
> >>> Contact Michael directly?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Bob & Linda Smith wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> OK everyone, I need to find out why an archived cache can't be
> >>>> un-archived so the adopt program can be used. I am trying to
> get a
> >>>> cache back on line that the original owner can no longer
> maintain. I
> >>>> was told by Michael LaPaglia at GC.com that once a cache is
> archived it
> >>>> can not be un-archived. I am pretty sure that I read
> somewhere that a
> >>>> cache could be un-archived and brought back on line. If you
> want to
> >>>> look at the cache on line the way point is GCJWPV
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Bob and Linda Smith, Team Petite Elite
> >>>> Prescott, AZ
> >>>>
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