[Az-Geocaching] energy

[EvilFISH]

is it not also true that the last refinery built in this country was in 1969 due to enviros?? and we wonder why they break so often???

why do the oil companies still make record profits..


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bill Nolan 
  To: listserv at azgeocaching.com 
  Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 12:25 PM
  Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] energy


  Well, after considering whether to chime in or not, I just couldn't help myself.  Too often, well-meaning people come up with "solutions" that are worse than the problems.



  For example, oil DOES grow on trees, in a manner of speaking.  We can grow corn and other crops and make biodiesel fuel.  It works, but the growing of the corn, with its attendant use of fertilizers, pesticides, and fuel for the tractors, harvesters, etc., is more harmful to the environment than just using petroleum to begin with.  Sure, a few people can drive around using recycled oil from McDonalds, but that won't supply very many.



  Electric cars?  Wonderful, but the electricity used to charge them does NOT grow on trees.  It is produced using coal, petroleum, and natural gas.  In fact, because of the various losses along the way, it takes MORE oil to power an electric car than it does to just run the same gar with a gas motor.



  Nuclear power is an excellent option, but fear of the unknown has caused Americans to reject it.  It is widely used in Europe - France is mostly nuclear powered - but we can't get it past the environmentalists here.  Too bad, as it is a much cleaner and safer option than coal or oil fired plants.



  You hear a lot about hydrogen, hydrogen fuel cells, etc.  Again, it takes electricity to get the hydrogen out of water - a little more electricity than you get when you burn the hydrogen - so, where does the electricy come from?  Well, here in the US, it comes from coal, oil, and natural gas.



  Wind?  Very pricy, and also destructive to wildlife.  LOTS of birds get killed by those turbines, for example.



  I could go on, but you get the idea.  I'm sorry if this sounds like a lecture, but keep in mind that I have been teaching college for 25 years or so, and lecturing comes naturally.



  Bill in Willcox






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  From: az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of gage gager
  Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 6:48 AM
  To: listserv at azgeocaching.com
  Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Good News for FTF Junkies



  Don't you think a huge problem is the mindset of most people? You know they don't think of the future generations of people to come. It's all about ourselves today. How many people do you see driving suburbans down the interstate? Or huge 4 door pickup trucks, etc. I think people think oil grows on trees and we can magically pluck it whenever we want. It's a finite resource everywhere on this globe. Finding other energy sources are a must but it sure would be nice for all of us to start thinking big time about it now rather than be in a frantic haste later. Maybe we should all buy bicycles now and keep them handy as an alternate travel source "just in case."





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