[Az-Geocaching] Y'all might find this interesting

Fri, 27 Feb 2004 22:20:10 -0700

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Thanks Steve,

I figured you'd know, I had taken a look at the Phoenix Park and Rec =
sites and had not found anything prohibiting Geocaching.  I had actually =
seen these posts yesterday, as they were occurring, (clicking on the =
last 200 finds during some downtime at work), and noted that some of =
them refered to PMPC or outright the Phoenix Mountain Preserve Council.  =
I did some looking and it appears to me that this is NOT a public agency =
but is rather a public organization that anyone can join for a $20 fee.  =
They appear to be a stewardship organization who have made the PMP their =
pet project.  While they may be against Geocaching, (or at least frown =
on it as an activity in the PMP), I have found no grounds for their =
being able to enact or enforce a ban in the PMP.  As you said, that =
would have to come from the City of Phoenix.  Which, unless it has =
enacted such a ban just recently, does not currently have any policy =
other than the one you show.

I also had noted today that all of the archive requests had been deleted =
as well.  I had noted the profile as well, and had hoped that =
geocaching.com would investigate things...hopefully they have.  Or it's =
possible that the Sock-puppet himself went through and deleted all his =
posts....gee, I wonder who has done something like that a time or two =
before....but that's just an opinion, I could be wrong.

Joe
TeamBlunder
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Team Tierra Buena=20
  To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
  Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 10:04 PM
  Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Y'all might find this interesting

  A few things I noticed as I looked at this:

  =20

  =B7        The "archive request" message appears to have been deleted =
from the cache page

  =B7        The cache does not appear to have been archived

  =B7        To the best of my knowledge, the Phoenix Mountain Preserve =
does not have any policies against Geocaching other than the City of =
Phoenix prohibition against Geocaching at archaeological sites (see =
http://www.geocachingpolicy.info/usa.html#Arizona)

  =B7        If you look at rhodopogon's profile, it is a self-confessed =
alias account (also known as a "sock puppet"). Geocaching.com frowns on =
sock puppets, and perhaps those charged with reviewing these things give =
less credence to the archive claim because of that.

  =20

  I conclude that the approver(s) disagreed with rhodopogon's assessment =
of the cache.

  =20

  Steve

  Team Tierra Buena

  =20

  =20

  -----Original Message-----
  From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com =
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Gale
  Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 4:15 PM
  To: list
  Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Y'all might find this interesting

  =20

  Note: forwarded message attached.

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks Steve,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I figured you'd know, I had taken a =
look at the=20
Phoenix Park and Rec sites and had not found anything prohibiting=20
Geocaching.&nbsp; I had actually seen these posts yesterday, as they =
were=20
occurring, (clicking on the last 200 finds during some downtime at =
work), and=20
noted that some of them refered to PMPC or outright the Phoenix Mountain =

Preserve Council.&nbsp; I did some looking and it appears to me that =
this is NOT=20
a public agency but is rather a public organization that anyone can join =
for a=20
$20 fee.&nbsp; They appear to be a stewardship organization who have =
made the=20
PMP their pet project.&nbsp; While they may be against Geocaching, (or =
at least=20
frown on it as an activity in the PMP), I have found no grounds for =
their being=20
able to enact or enforce a ban in the PMP.&nbsp; As you said, that would =
have to=20
come from the City of Phoenix.&nbsp; Which, unless it has enacted such a =
ban=20
just recently, does not currently have any policy other than the one you =

show.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I also had noted today that all of the =
archive=20
requests had been deleted as well.&nbsp; I had noted the profile as =
well, and=20
had hoped that geocaching.com would investigate things...hopefully they=20
have.&nbsp; Or it's possible that the Sock-puppet himself went through =
and=20
deleted all his posts....gee, I wonder who has done something like that =
a time=20
or two before....but that's just an opinion, I could be =
wrong.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Joe</DIV>
<DIV>TeamBlunder</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
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 <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
 <DIV=20
 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black">From:=20
 <A title=3Dteamtierrabuena@earthlink.net=20
 href=3D"mailto:teamtierrabuena@earthlink.net">Team Tierra Buena</A> =
</DIV>
 <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">To: <A =
title=3Dlistserv@azgeocaching.com=20
 =
href=3D"mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com">listserv@azgeocaching.com</A> =
</DIV>
 <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 =
10:04=20
 PM</DIV>
 <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] =
Y'all might=20
 find this interesting</DIV>
 <DIV> </DIV>
 <DIV class=3DSection1>
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'">A =
few things=20
 I noticed as I looked at this:<o:p></o:p>
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book =
Antiqua'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>
 <![if !supportLists]><FONT=20
 face=3DSymbol color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Symbol; =
mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol"><SPAN=20
 style=3D"mso-list: Ignore">=B7<SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New =
Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
 <![endif]>The &#8220;archive=20
 request&#8221; message appears to have been deleted from the cache=20
 page<o:p></o:p>
 <![if !supportLists]><FONT=20
 face=3DSymbol color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Symbol; =
mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol"><SPAN=20
 style=3D"mso-list: Ignore">=B7<SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New =
Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
 <![endif]>The cache=20
 does not appear to have been archived<o:p></o:p>
 <![if !supportLists]><FONT=20
 face=3DSymbol color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Symbol; =
mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol"><SPAN=20
 style=3D"mso-list: Ignore">=B7<SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New =
Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
 <![endif]>To the best=20
 of my knowledge, the Phoenix Mountain Preserve does not have any =
policies=20
 against Geocaching other than the City of Phoenix prohibition against=20
 Geocaching at archaeological sites (see <A=20
 =
href=3D"http://geocachingpolicy.info/usa.html#Arizona">http://www.geocach=
ingpolicy.info/usa.html#Arizona</A>)<o:p></o:p>
 <![if !supportLists]><FONT=20
 face=3DSymbol color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Symbol; =
mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol"><SPAN=20
 style=3D"mso-list: Ignore">=B7<SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New =
Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
 <![endif]>If you look=20
 at rhodopogon&#8217;s profile, it is a self-confessed alias account =
(also known as a=20
 &#8220;sock puppet&#8221;). Geocaching.com frowns on sock puppets, and =
perhaps those=20
 charged with reviewing these things give less credence to the archive =
claim=20
 because of that.<o:p></o:p>
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book =
Antiqua'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'">I =
conclude=20
 that the approver(s) disagreed with rhodopogon&#8217;s assessment of =
the=20
 cache.<o:p></o:p>
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book =
Antiqua'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book =
Antiqua'">Steve<o:p></o:p>
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book =
Antiqua'">Team Tierra=20
 Buena<o:p></o:p>
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book =
Antiqua'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book =
Antiqua'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original=20
 Message----- From:=20
 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20
 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of Gale <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 =
4:15=20
 PM To: =
list <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject: [Az-Geocaching] <SPAN=20
 class=3DGramE>Y'all might find this =
interesting
 <o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>
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