[Az-Geocaching] trust land permits

[Bill A]

Hi Eric,

I carry both the "Arizona Road & Recreation Atlas" and the Arizona Atlas &
Gazetteer" with me as they both show what jurisdiction all the land falls
under.  The land around exit 136 Table Mesa is State Trust land on both
sides of FR41 till you enter Tonto National Forest to the east.  The ranch
is a small section of private land.  There are some archeological sites
along FR41.  I have been to the older caches and they were OK.  As soon as I
get my jeep up and running again I will be checking some of the newer caches
in there and will let the owners know if they have accidentally put them on
or next to a archeological site.  I carry a special state land permit so
someone else will have to answer the permit question.
Bill

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "eric" <eric@ccs-adplus.com>
To: <az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 1:27 PM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] trust land permits


> Teams AZJAMMIN, THE_FAMILY, and WUZZLES went on a cache trip saturday on
> the East side of I-17 at Table Mesa Road.  We arrived at the frist cache
> location "Lucky 4's"  and were approached by a man heading a hiking
> group.   did not get his name, anyway he proceeded to harrass us about
> geocaching and archeological areas, apparently this cache is near some
> sort of  archeological site.... and then he questioned us about our
> being there without a Trust land permit... we were unaware of the area
> being trust land... nothing mentioned about it on the cache pages for
> that area.... and we saw no signs stating Trust Land areas...after he
> left with his group of non- geocaching hikers we proceeded to find the
> cache... and then went on east to the tonto forest area (over some
> incredibly rought s roads! )and passed back through later on the way
> out  to find the other caches around that area.  Two out of seven caches
> in this area were missing... we speculated that perhaps they had been
> removed by some anti-geocaching group..... could be wrong but what a
> coincidence eh?
>
> so the questions begins... shouldn't there be a better way to determine
> land ownership? is there a good website or some sort of free map
> available?  can a Trust Land Permit be obtained over the phone or
internet?
>
> anyone know anything about this???
> Thanks for any input....
> AZJAMMIN
>
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