[Az-Geocaching] Who Manages What
Team Tierra Buena
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Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:45:11 -0700
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Regan,
I'm glad I read your log before I replied. Maricopa County Parks are not
"national forest", as you wrote below (you had me going there for a =
couple
of minutes!).
I think what it comes down to is that it is illegal to enter a Maricopa
County Park for ANY reason without paying the "user fee". But the MCP
representative at the land management meeting last month did say that =
they
were planning to revise their policy to make it much more restrictive on =
the
placement of geocaches than it has been. That saddened me, because I =
thought
MCP's "two mile rule" was a great compromise.
Coincidentally, I got a private email today from someone who wrote me =
that
our "Grandma Sarah's Cache", which is in the McDowell Mountain Regional =
Park
(part of MCP), may be missing and that a ranger there told him "it =
better
not be there". But as of this morning, when I was checking it for =
something
else, their "old" policy is still on the web site
(http://www.maricopa.gov/parks/news/). What worries me now is that they =
may
have issued a new policy to the park staff, but haven't yet bothered to =
make
it available to the general public. I hope my fear is unfounded.
Steve
Team Tierra Buena
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-----Original Message-----
From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of =
Regan L
Smith
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 5:10 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Who Manages What
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Hey Steve
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I was told today by a Park Gestapo, see log for ARRGH!*^&$% that it is
ILLEGAL to geocache in the national forest, but was also told that if =
you
buy a pass it is ok to do whatever, in the same sentence....then he said =
yes
please tell them who you are and where you placed your geocache so they =
can
arrest you in impound your computer, that they just did this last month =
to a
geocacher......
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From: Team Tierra Buena <mailto:TeamTierraBuena@earthlink.net> =20
To: Arizona Geocaching <mailto:az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com> =
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 12:04 PM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Who Manages What
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There's a front-page story today in my favorite <hack.kaff> newspaper, =
the
Arizona Republic, about crimes being committed on public lands (I'm =
rather
surprised they didn't include Geocaching in the article!). But in the
continuation of the article on page A28, there's a nice little map and =
chart
showing each of the federally managed recreation lands in the state and =
what
agency (USFS, NPS, BLM, FWS) manages each. This could be a handy-dandy
little reference when you're thinking about where to hide your next ammo
can.
I was able to find the article online but not the chart.
Steve
Team Tierra Buena
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I’m glad I read your log =
before I
replied. Maricopa County Parks are not “national forest”, as =
you
wrote below (you had me going there for a couple of =
minutes!).</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I think what it comes down to is =
that it
is illegal to enter a </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy =
face=3DArial><span
=
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Maricopa</span></=
font><font
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'> </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy =
face=3DArial><span
=
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>County</span></fo=
nt><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'> </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy =
face=3DArial><span
=
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Park</span></font=
><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'> for ANY reason without paying the “user fee”. =
But the
MCP representative at the land management meeting last month did say =
that they
were planning to revise their policy to make it much more restrictive on =
the
placement of geocaches than it has been. That saddened me, because I =
thought MCP’s
“two mile rule” was a great compromise.</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Coincidentally, I got a private =
email
today from someone who wrote me that our “Grandma Sarah’s =
Cache”,
which is in the McDowell Mountain Regional Park (part of MCP), may be =
missing
and that a ranger there told him “it better not be there”. =
But as
of this morning, when I was checking it for something else, their =
“old”
policy is still on the web site (<a =
href=3D"http://www.maricopa.gov/parks/news/">http://www.maricopa.gov/park=
s/news/</a>).
What worries me now is that they may have issued a new policy to the =
park
staff, but haven’t yet bothered to make it available to the =
general
public. I hope my fear is unfounded.</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Steve</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] <b><span
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Regan L Smith<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, October 26, =
2003
5:10 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
listserv@azgeocaching.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: =
[Az-Geocaching] Who
Manages What</span></font></p>
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margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I was told today by a Park Gestapo, see log for
ARRGH!*^&$% that it is ILLEGAL to geocache in the national forest, =
but was
also told that if you buy a pass it is ok to do whatever, in the same
sentence....then he said yes please tell them who you are and where =
you
placed your geocache so they can arrest you in impound your computer, =
that they
just did this last month to a geocacher......</span></font></p>
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[Az-Geocaching]
Who Manages What</span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>There’s a front-page =
story
today in my favorite <hack…kaff> newspaper, the <i><span
style=3D'font-style:italic'>Arizona Republic</span></i>, about crimes =
being
committed on public lands (I’m rather surprised they didn’t =
include
Geocaching in the article!). But in the continuation of the article on =
page
A28, there’s a nice little map and chart showing each of the =
federally
managed recreation lands in the state and what agency (USFS, NPS, BLM, =
FWS)
manages each. This could be a handy-dandy little reference when =
you’re
thinking about where to hide your next ammo can.</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I was able to find the =
article
online but not the chart.</span></font></p>
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face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Steve</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Team Tierra =
Buena</span></font></p>
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