[Az-Geocaching] cheater/not cheater
Aus Dem Kasten
listserv@azgeocaching.com
Wed, 28 May 2003 15:45:34 -0700
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It's quite possible that this cacher does legitimately find some caches;
but logs many more than he actually found on the site. Rand's
suggestion to e-mail the cacher with specific questions would probably
the only way to tell.
Aus Dem Kasten
-----Original Message-----
From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of
Andrew Ayre
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:30 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] cheater/not cheater
I assumed (and still do) that Gale was referring to the next entry which
indicates this person went caching with someone else. Gale - is that
right?
Andy
-----Original Message-----
From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of RAND
HARDIN
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:07 PM
To: AZ-Geocaching
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] cheater/not cheater
Gale,
Just because a person states "Nice location!" on the cache page doesn't
mean that the individual found the cache. In the case of the cache that
you reference, I could look at the map and determine the cache is
located in a "nice location."
It's also possible the individual may be driving to/past the caches
without actually finding them, but is claiming them as a virtual.
I believe it's understood that a log book/sheet must be signed at the
cache location to claim a find on the web page (unless the cache is
actually a virtual and/or has other rules for claiming a find). I have
no objection to a cache owner deleting an entry if there is no proof
that the individual actually found the cache. If there is a question
from a cache owner, an email to the individual asking to explain where
and how the cache was found and/or asking for a description of the cache
should clear up some doubt.
Rand
----- Original Message -----
From: gale 'Desert Viking'
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 2:10 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] cheater/not cheater
If this is the person you are referring to, check out this log entry for
Feb/2002. http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=10655
<http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=10655&log=y&decryp
t> &log=y&decrypt= There's another one I remember seeing that may
exhonerate him. I'm still looking for it.
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It’s quite possible that this =
<span
class=3DSpellE>cacher</span> does legitimately find some caches; but =
logs many
more than he actually found on the site.<span =
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>
</span></span></font><st1:place><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy =
face=3DArial><span
=
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></st1:place><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>’s suggestion to e-mail the <span =
class=3DSpellE>cacher</span>
with specific questions would probably the only way to =
tell.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com =
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Andrew =
Ayre<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> =
</span></font><st1:date
Month=3D"5" Day=3D"28" Year=3D"2003"><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
listserv@azgeocaching.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: =
[Az-Geocaching]
cheater/not cheater</span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DVerdana><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>I assumed (and still do) =
that Gale
was referring to the next entry which indicates this person went =
caching
with someone else. Gale - is that right?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 face=3DVerdana><span =
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<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal =
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12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com =
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]<b><span
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>RAND HARDIN<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> =
</span></font><st1:date
Month=3D"5" Day=3D"28" Year=3D"2003"><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Wednesday, May 28, =
2003</span></font></st1:date><font
size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> </span></font><st1:time
Hour=3D"15" Minute=3D"7"><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> AZ-Geocaching<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: =
[Az-Geocaching]
cheater/not cheater</span></font><font size=3D2 face=3DVerdana><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DVerdana><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>Gale,<o:p></o:p></span></f=
ont></p>
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face=3DVerdana><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> <o:p></o:p></span></=
font></p>
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<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DVerdana><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>Just because a =
person states
"Nice location!" on the cache page doesn't mean that =
the
individual found the cache. In the case of the cache that you =
reference,
I could look at the map and determine the cache is located in a =
"nice
location."<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DVerdana><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> <o:p></o:p></span></=
font></p>
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<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DVerdana><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>It's also possible the =
individual
may be driving to/past the caches without actually finding them, but
is claiming them as a virtual.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DVerdana><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> <o:p></o:p></span></=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DVerdana><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>I believe it's understood =
that a
log book/sheet must be signed at the cache location to claim a =
find
on the web page (unless the cache is actually a virtual and/or has =
other
rules for claiming a find). I have no objection to a cache owner =
deleting
an entry if there is no proof that the individual actually found =
the
cache. If there is a question from a cache owner, an email to the =
individual
asking to explain where and how the cache was found and/or asking for a
description of the cache should clear up some =
doubt.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>Rand</span></font></st1:pl=
ace><font
size=3D2 face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> <o:p></o:p></s=
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color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> gale
'Desert Viking'<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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></font></b><font
size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font><st1:date
Month=3D"5" Day=3D"28" Year=3D"2003"><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Wednesday, May 28, =
2003</span></font></st1:date><font
size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font><st1:time
Hour=3D"14" Minute=3D"10"><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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/font></b><font
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> =
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[Az-Geocaching] cheater/not cheater<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>If this is the person you are referring to, check =
out this
log entry for Feb/2002. <a
href=3D"http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=3D10655&=
log=3Dy&decrypt">http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=
=3D10655&log=3Dy&decrypt</a>=3D
There's another one I remember seeing that may exhonerate him. I'm still
looking for it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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