From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Mar 2 14:25:01 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Nicol) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 06:25:01 -0800 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] new face at #1! Message-ID: It has been a long time since another team other than Wyle E has graced the #1 spot in the Arizona rankings!!! CONGRATULATIONS TO TEAM CHUMP on taking over the #1 spot in AZ!!! Sad to see Wyle E not active anymore, though. Miss seeing Larry and Connie at the get togethers and out on the trail and such! Hope they are doing well and enjoying some 4 wheelin' in their yellow jeep! Loran (Team Sand Dollar) held the #1 spot for like a day or two and Wyle E got it back. Has anyone else ever held the #1 spot? Would be curious to know. That would be an interesting fact/stat to have on the azgeocaching.com page. Something to show who all the teams were that have at one time held the #1 spot. But, now Team CHUMP is THE team on top! Congrats! Looks like they will probably be there for awhile too! Scott Team Ropingthewind _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Mar 2 16:35:49 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bill Tomlinson) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 09:35:49 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Congrats Team C.H.U.M.P. Message-ID: <00f301c2e0d9$c93b58b0$697ba8c0@sbjr.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F4_01C2E09F.1CDE0750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Congratulations for taking over the #1 spot in AZ. In the future, when Geocaching, please remember to always wear the target that was handed to = you be the former Top Dog. And forget about leisurely caching days picking = up one or two. You are now marked and have a state full of geocachers = aiming at you. Enjoy your reign. =20 LOL. Seriously, though, I've enjoyed reading many of your logs along = the way. You've certainly earned it. =20 CacheLess Bill Tomlinson ------=_NextPart_000_00F4_01C2E09F.1CDE0750 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Congratulations for=20 taking over the #1 spot in AZ.  In the future, when Geocaching, = please=20 remember to always wear the target that was handed to you be the former = Top=20 Dog.  And forget about leisurely caching days picking up one or = two. =20 You are now marked and have a state full of geocachers aiming at = you. =20 Enjoy your reign.
 
LOL. =20 Seriously, though, I've enjoyed reading many of your logs along the = way. =20 You've certainly earned it.
 
CacheLess
Bill=20 Tomlinson
------=_NextPart_000_00F4_01C2E09F.1CDE0750-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Mar 2 17:47:20 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 10:47:20 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] new face at #1! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E6243A8.70200@Snaptek.com> Scott Nicol wrote: > Has anyone else ever held the #1 spot? Would be curious to know. That > would be an interesting fact/stat to have on the azgeocaching.com > page. Something to show who all the teams were that have at one time > held the #1 spot. But, now Team CHUMP is THE team on top! Congrats! > Looks like they will probably be there for awhile too! Way back when the sport/hobbie/timekiller was new, Bob Renner and Team Snaptek traded the #1 spot back and forth, till Bob managed to get a few of them in a short period and held onto it for a few months till Wyle E came along, and then he's had the #1 position ever since till recently when the bit of history that you relayed kicked in. Ah the good old days... when there were only a couple dozen caches total... and AzGeocaching.com still looked like this... and wasn't called azgeocaching.com :) : http://web.archive.org/web/20010428101838/http://snaptek.com/geocaching/ Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Mar 2 18:04:10 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 11:04:10 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] new face at #1! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030302110241.02821a58@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 06:25 AM 3/2/2003 -0800, you wrote: >It has been a long time since another team other than Wyle E has graced >the #1 spot in the Arizona rankings!!! CONGRATULATIONS TO TEAM CHUMP on >taking over the #1 spot in AZ!!! We would like to add our congratulations to Team Chump. It has been out great pleasure to geocache along side Team Chump, and we couldn't be happier. If Larry and Connie had to be knocked out of the top spot, Team Chump was a good team to do it. In liberty, Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Mar 2 20:07:02 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Sparks) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 13:07:02 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Other Congratulations Message-ID: <3E626466.4020302@mchsi.com> Congrats to Team Chump on their #1 spot but let's not overlook another important milestone; Team(s) Cacheless and Webbman just broke the long-held Most Arizona Caches in One Day record. They inched past Wolfb8's old record of 41 with an astounding 44 in one day. As the former "runner up" in that position, I know how hard they worked to realize that number. Also of note, my good friends from Team AJ.JR have the most Arizona Finds in One Month (90 finds in February) so far this year. This puts them in a tie for 3rd place in the overall monthly rankings, just behind Team Sand Dollar and, yours truly, Team Sprocket. This also means Team AJ.JR are in 3rd place for the year of 2003, just behind the above mentioned Cacheless and Team Chump. Congrats to all of the above! -- Sprocket From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Mar 2 21:43:11 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 14:43:11 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] What a C.H.U.M.P. Message-ID: <001201c2e104$b91cdaf0$0500a8c0@fbidaemon> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C2E0CA.0C934970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable :) I too, would like to offer my congrats to you for achieving the = milestone of first place. Watch this be the thing that sparks Wyle E = and revives his caching instincts. :D Brian Team A.I. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C2E0CA.0C934970 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
:)
 
I too, would like to offer my congrats = to you for=20 achieving the milestone of first place.  Watch this be the thing = that=20 sparks Wyle E and revives his caching instincts.  :D
 
Brian
Team A.I.
------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C2E0CA.0C934970-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 3 00:15:02 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Loran Wilcox) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 17:15:02 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] new face at #1! References: Message-ID: <001f01c2e119$efc089c0$0500a8c0@one> Let me also CONGRATULATIONS TO TEAM CHUMP. It takes a lot of effort to maintain this kind of cache find rate. I know from experience. Just wish I were still in AZ where the caching is more plentiful and the weather quite a bit warmer. As a note: Be on the lookout for my new sand nickels. I was able to place a few in Moving Target but they won't last long. Loran (Team Sand Dollar) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Nicol" To: Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 7:25 AM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] new face at #1! > > > It has been a long time since another team other than Wyle E has graced the > #1 spot in the Arizona rankings!!! CONGRATULATIONS TO TEAM CHUMP on taking > over the #1 spot in AZ!!! > > Sad to see Wyle E not active anymore, though. Miss seeing Larry and Connie > at the get togethers and out on the trail and such! Hope they are doing well > and enjoying some 4 wheelin' in their yellow jeep! > > Loran (Team Sand Dollar) held the #1 spot for like a day or two and Wyle E > got it back. Has anyone else ever held the #1 spot? Would be curious to > know. That would be an interesting fact/stat to have on the azgeocaching.com > page. Something to show who all the teams were that have at one time held > the #1 spot. But, now Team CHUMP is THE team on top! Congrats! Looks like > they will probably be there for awhile too! > > Scott > Team Ropingthewind > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Mar 2 21:05:22 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (WOLFB8) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 14:05:22 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Other Congratulations References: <3E626466.4020302@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <005901c2e0ff$b8773e60$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C2E0C4.C3D7B220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable aaa but the question remains did you do it in 8 hours or less??? Well having done the 41arizona cache but a total of 45 for the day. I = know that your 44 could not have been much fun...they all just blend = together...but congrads We will be known by the tracks we leave behind ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Scott Sparks=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 1:07 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Other Congratulations Congrats to Team Chump on their #1 spot but let's not overlook another = important milestone; Team(s) Cacheless and Webbman just broke the=20 long-held Most Arizona Caches in One Day record. They inched past=20 Wolfb8's old record of 41 with an astounding 44 in one day. As the=20 former "runner up" in that position, I know how hard they worked to=20 realize that number. =20 Also of note, my good friends from Team AJ.JR have the most Arizona=20 Finds in One Month (90 finds in February) so far this year. This puts=20 them in a tie for 3rd place in the overall monthly rankings, just = behind=20 Team Sand Dollar and, yours truly, Team Sprocket. This also means = Team=20 AJ.JR are in 3rd place for the year of 2003, just behind the above=20 mentioned Cacheless and Team Chump. Congrats to all of the above! -- Sprocket ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C2E0C4.C3D7B220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
aaa but the question remains did you do it in 8 = hours or=20 less???
Well having done the 41arizona cache but a total of = 45 for the=20 day. I know that your 44 could not have been much fun...they all = just blend=20 together...but congrads
 
We will be known by the tracks we leave behind
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Scott=20 Sparks
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 = 1:07=20 PM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Other=20 Congratulations

Congrats to Team Chump on their #1 spot but let's not = overlook=20 another
important milestone; Team(s) Cacheless and Webbman just = broke the=20
long-held Most Arizona Caches in One Day record.  They inched = past=20
Wolfb8's old record of 41 with an astounding 44 in one day.  = As the=20
former "runner up" in that position, I know how hard they worked = to=20
realize that number. 

Also of note, my good friends = from Team=20 AJ.JR have the most Arizona
Finds in One Month (90 finds in = February) so=20 far this year. This puts
them in a tie for 3rd place in the = overall=20 monthly rankings, just behind
Team Sand Dollar and, yours truly, = Team=20 Sprocket.  This also means Team
AJ.JR are in 3rd place for = the year=20 of 2003, just behind the above
mentioned Cacheless and Team=20 Chump.

Congrats to all of the above!

--=20 = Sprocket

_________________________________________________________= ___
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<= /BLOCKQUOTE> ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C2E0C4.C3D7B220-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Mar 2 23:34:19 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 16:34:19 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] new face at #1! References: <001f01c2e119$efc089c0$0500a8c0@one> Message-ID: <002701c2e114$40473840$0f48b83f@fishkiller> Let me add Team Evil Fish's congrats for a new Milestone record The new Sand nickels look nice!!! so if ya want one the Moving Target cache is at the posted coords when I am...and that is most every night except Friday and ????? BTW how did you get those made? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Loran Wilcox" To: Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] new face at #1! > Let me also CONGRATULATIONS TO TEAM CHUMP. It takes a lot of effort to > maintain this kind of cache find rate. I know from experience. Just wish I > were still in AZ where the caching is more plentiful and the weather quite a > bit warmer. > > As a note: Be on the lookout for my new sand nickels. I was able to place a > few in Moving Target but they won't last long. > > Loran (Team Sand Dollar) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Nicol" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 7:25 AM > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] new face at #1! > > > > > > > > It has been a long time since another team other than Wyle E has graced > the > > #1 spot in the Arizona rankings!!! CONGRATULATIONS TO TEAM CHUMP on taking > > over the #1 spot in AZ!!! > > > > Sad to see Wyle E not active anymore, though. Miss seeing Larry and Connie > > at the get togethers and out on the trail and such! Hope they are doing > well > > and enjoying some 4 wheelin' in their yellow jeep! > > > > Loran (Team Sand Dollar) held the #1 spot for like a day or two and Wyle E > > got it back. Has anyone else ever held the #1 spot? Would be curious to > > know. That would be an interesting fact/stat to have on the > azgeocaching.com > > page. Something to show who all the teams were that have at one time held > > the #1 spot. But, now Team CHUMP is THE team on top! Congrats! Looks like > > they will probably be there for awhile too! > > > > Scott > > Team Ropingthewind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 3 00:02:52 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Marc) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 17:02:52 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] new face at #1! References: <001f01c2e119$efc089c0$0500a8c0@one> <002701c2e114$40473840$0f48b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: <3E629BAC.5020108@uccinc.net> Congrats to team C.H.U.M.P. Giving all of us a new target to shoot for! Tamo From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 3 03:25:48 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Loran Wilcox) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 20:25:48 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Wooden Nickels References: <001f01c2e119$efc089c0$0500a8c0@one> <002701c2e114$40473840$0f48b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: <005201c2e134$95ed48a0$0500a8c0@one> For anyone interested in wooden nickels there easy to obtain. I ordered mine through the ----- Original Message ----- From: "Regan Smith" To: Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] new face at #1! > Let me add Team Evil Fish's congrats for a new Milestone record > > > The new Sand nickels look nice!!! so if ya want one the Moving Target cache > is at the posted coords when I am...and that is most every night except > Friday and ????? > > > BTW > how did you get those made? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Loran Wilcox" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 5:15 PM > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] new face at #1! > > > > Let me also CONGRATULATIONS TO TEAM CHUMP. It takes a lot of effort to > > maintain this kind of cache find rate. I know from experience. Just wish I > > were still in AZ where the caching is more plentiful and the weather quite > a > > bit warmer. > > > > As a note: Be on the lookout for my new sand nickels. I was able to place > a > > few in Moving Target but they won't last long. > > > > Loran (Team Sand Dollar) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Scott Nicol" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 7:25 AM > > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] new face at #1! > > > > > > > > > > > > > It has been a long time since another team other than Wyle E has graced > > the > > > #1 spot in the Arizona rankings!!! CONGRATULATIONS TO TEAM CHUMP on > taking > > > over the #1 spot in AZ!!! > > > > > > Sad to see Wyle E not active anymore, though. Miss seeing Larry and > Connie > > > at the get togethers and out on the trail and such! Hope they are doing > > well > > > and enjoying some 4 wheelin' in their yellow jeep! > > > > > > Loran (Team Sand Dollar) held the #1 spot for like a day or two and Wyle > E > > > got it back. Has anyone else ever held the #1 spot? Would be curious to > > > know. That would be an interesting fact/stat to have on the > > azgeocaching.com > > > page. Something to show who all the teams were that have at one time > held > > > the #1 spot. But, now Team CHUMP is THE team on top! Congrats! Looks > like > > > they will probably be there for awhile too! > > > > > > Scott > > > Team Ropingthewind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 3 03:28:29 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Loran Wilcox) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 20:28:29 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] wooden nickels (second try) References: <001f01c2e119$efc089c0$0500a8c0@one> <002701c2e114$40473840$0f48b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: <006b01c2e134$f5ea09a0$0500a8c0@one> For anyone interested in wooden nickels there easy to obtain. I ordered the nickels from old time wooden nickel company http://www.wooden-nickel.com/. I just sent them my artwork and money and they did the rest. The backside with the geocaching logo has to be approved by geocaching.com. It was supposed to also have www.geocaching.com on the logo side but the vendor messed up. Luckily geocaching.com let them go this time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Regan Smith" To: Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] new face at #1! > Let me add Team Evil Fish's congrats for a new Milestone record > > > The new Sand nickels look nice!!! so if ya want one the Moving Target cache > is at the posted coords when I am...and that is most every night except > Friday and ????? > > > BTW > how did you get those made? > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 3 02:36:20 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (jr davis) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 19:36:20 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) Message-ID: <001d01c2e12d$acbcfdc0$0100a8c0@yourm5d4u9r2uv> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C2E0F2.FFF7C2D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good going TEAM C.H.U.M.P for reaching the top spot, it's been a long = climb- stay long as you can. Everyone is after you now!Team AJ.JR ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C2E0F2.FFF7C2D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Good going TEAM C.H.U.M.P  for = reaching the=20 top spot, it's been a long climb- stay long as you can.  = Everyone=20  is after you now!Team AJ.JR
------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C2E0F2.FFF7C2D0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 3 02:37:06 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 18:37:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] So close, and yet so far..... Message-ID: <20030302183706.1856.h016.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Well, after our 5-day, 22 cache trip to Reno to visit Dan's brand new granddaughter (yup, she's a doll!!!) and his folks, we are slowly....ever-so-slowly..... creeping up on our "sesquicentennial" total cache.....and "centennial" AZ cache.....(I have alot of out of state, mostly Nevada caches)....BUT....as I am having the surgery on Wednesday (major throat rotor-rooter for obstructive sleep apnea) it looks like I won't be hitting any milestones for awhile, DARN! Anybody have any experience with the UP3 surgery? It is extremely painful for a full 2 weeks post-op, I am told and read. Trisha "Lightning" Prescott ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Although no one can go back and make a brand new start, Anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 3 02:55:52 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (GREGG OBUCH) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 18:55:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] new face at #1! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030303025552.80456.qmail@web80209.mail.yahoo.com> --0-560438475-1046660152=:80308 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii We would like to add our congratulations to Team CHUMP for moving into the number one spot. We in southern Arizona can dream of such numbers.... Gregg and Maureen (MO & GO) --0-560438475-1046660152=:80308 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

We would like to add our congratulations to Team CHUMP for moving into the number one spot.   We in southern Arizona can dream of such numbers....

Gregg and Maureen (MO & GO)

--0-560438475-1046660152=:80308-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 3 02:48:28 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RAND HARDIN) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 19:48:28 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] new face at #1! Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C2E0F4.B1E7DD80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Regan, You might want to try this site for wooden nickles: www.wooden-nickle.com RandMan On March 02, 2003 Regan asked: The new Sand nickels look nice!!! so if ya want one the Moving Target cache is at the posted coords when I am...and that is most every night except Friday and ????? BTW how did you get those made? ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C2E0F4.B1E7DD80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
<= DIV> 
=
Regan,
 
You might want to try t= his site for wooden nickles:  www.wooden-nickle.com
 = ;
RandMan
 
 
On March 02, 2003 Regan asked:

The = new Sand nickels look nice!!! so if ya want one the Moving Target cacheis at the posted coords when I am...and that is most every night except=
Friday and ?????


BTW
how did you get those made?

------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C2E0F4.B1E7DD80-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 3 03:07:43 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RAND HARDIN) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 20:07:43 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] So close, and yet so far..... Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C2E0F7.627B8000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Trish, Good luck on the surgery. You may not be able to do any caching or speak= ing for a while, but we will look forward to you keeping us updated on th= e "listserv". Take care, RandMan ----- Original Message ----- From: trisha@brasher.com Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 7:41 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] So close, and yet so far..... Well, after our 5-day, 22 cache trip to Reno to visit Dan's brand new granddaughter (yup, she's a doll!!!) and his folks, we are slowly....ever-so-slowly..... creeping up on our "sesquicentennial" total cache.....and "centennial" AZ cache.....(I have alot of out of state, mostly Nevada caches)....BUT....as I am having the surgery on Wednesday (major throat rotor-rooter for obstructive sleep apnea) it looks like I won't be hitting any milestones for awhile, DARN! Anybody have any experience with the UP3 surgery? It is extremely painful for a full 2 weeks post-op, I am told and read. Trisha "Lightning" Prescott ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C2E0F7.627B8000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Trish,
<= DIV> 
Good luck on the surgery.  You may not be able= to do any caching or speaking for a while, but we will look forward to y= ou keeping us updated on the "listserv".
 
Tak= e care,
 
RandMan
 
----- Original Message -----
From: trisha@brasher.com<= /DIV>
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003= 7:41 PM
To: listserv@azgeoc= aching.com
Subject: [Az-Geoc= aching] So close, and yet so far.....
 
Well, after = our 5-day, 22 cache trip to Reno to visit Dan's brand new
granddaughte= r (yup, she's a doll!!!) and his folks, we are
slowly....ever-so-slowl= y..... creeping up on our "sesquicentennial"
total cache.....and "cent= ennial" AZ cache.....(I have alot of out of
state, mostly Nevada cache= s)....BUT....as I am having the surgery on
Wednesday (major throat rot= or-rooter for obstructive sleep apnea) it
looks like I won't be hittin= g any milestones for awhile, DARN!
Anybody have any experience with th= e UP3 surgery? It is extremely
painful for a full 2 weeks post-op, I a= m told and read.
Trisha "Lightning"
Prescott


------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C2E0F7.627B8000-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 3 04:04:07 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bill Tomlinson) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 21:04:07 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Other Congratulations In-Reply-To: <3E626466.4020302@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <013601c2e139$f057b320$697ba8c0@sbjr.com> Sprocket, Thanks for noticing. I knew that we were hitting a daily record but wasn't aware that I had an annual standing for 2003. Yes, we are two teams. He and I each cache separately with our wives. I also take my sons out occasionally. The two of do team up frequently, though, because we work together and neither of our families are as obsessed as we are. CacheLess -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of Scott Sparks let's not overlook another important milestone; Team(s) Cacheless and Webbman just broke the long-held Most Arizona Caches in One Day record. This also means Team AJ.JR are in 3rd place for the year of 2003, just behind the above mentioned Cacheless and Team Chump. Congrats to all of the above! -- Sprocket From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 3 04:02:46 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Mark Heitowit) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 21:02:46 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Garmin 3.10 Message-ID: <3E62D3E5.A125689A@usa.net> I downloaded Garmin 3.10 onto my Etrex Legend. Ever since the upgrade, when in compass mode, the pointer seems to "bounce" around a lot more. Has any one else had this problem? Do I need to change a setting? Thanks, Magical Memories From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 3 04:32:53 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 20:32:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] new face at #1! Message-ID: <20030302203253.18607.h015.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Congrats ROB and family! ((we bow in awe at your greatness - er - addiction....) I just recently saw your signature, and some others (highpointer, I think) on a TB in Nevada! It was a log book dedicated to a WNBA star (named....Stephanie?) It was in one of the strangest cache areas I have EVER been in (CREEPY cache GC29AD...south of Boulder). Anyway, I didn't take it since it had already been in AZ but it was fun to see familar names!!! Congrats again, Trisha Lightning Prescott GREGG OBUCH wrote: We would like to add our congratulations to Team CHUMP for moving into the number one spot.   We in southern Arizona can dream of such numbers.... Gregg and Maureen (MO & GO) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Although no one can go back and make a brand new start, Anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 3 04:34:20 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bill Tomlinson) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 21:34:20 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Other Congratulations In-Reply-To: <005901c2e0ff$b8773e60$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <013701c2e13e$28f063e0$697ba8c0@sbjr.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0138_01C2E103.7C918BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No, we certainly didn't do it in under 8 hours. That's less that 12 = minutes a piece including drive, park, find, log time. I can see why that = wouldn't be fun. No, we do this first and foremost for the fun. We completed = the tour in about 15 hours. Started with flashlights and ended with flashlights. We had a BLAST!! =20 Picture us, two techie geeks, all decked out. In the truck, we had the power inverter running saving the laptop batteries. On the laptop we = had Microsoft MapPoint. We had spent about a week selecting caches, solving puzzles, and optimizing our route. We kept my GPSr in the truck, linked = to the laptop. We used his GPSr in the field. We knew where we were = going, how we would get there, and when we should get there. We had estimated = how long each cache would take to find. Our plan ended up being fairly accurate. With all of this prep work and supporting technology, we were able to just cruise around following the pre-defined route and enjoy = each and every cache we found. We ran into a cache owner and spent time chatting. We played tricks on each other at some sites. Most = importantly, we took our time, enjoyed ourselves immensely, AND REMEMBER EVERY SINGLE CACHE. =20 Although we had our eye on that record when we planned the trip, we did = not let it distract us from the reason we geocache in the first place... to = have fun exploring. =20 CacheLess -----Original Message----- From: On Behalf Of WOLFB8 Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 2:05 PM aaa but the question remains did you do it in 8 hours or less??? Well having done the 41arizona cache but a total of 45 for the day. I = know that your 44 could not have been much fun...they all just blend together...but congrads =20 We will be known by the tracks we leave behind ------=_NextPart_000_0138_01C2E103.7C918BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
No, we certainly = didn't do it=20 in under 8 hours.  That's less that 12 minutes a piece including = drive,=20 park, find, log time.  I can see why that wouldn't be fun.  = No, we do=20 this first and foremost for the fun.  We completed the tour in = about 15=20 hours.  Started with flashlights and ended with flashlights.  = We had a=20 BLAST!!
 
Picture us, two = techie geeks,=20 all decked out.  In the truck, we had the power inverter running = saving the=20 laptop batteries.  On the laptop we had Microsoft MapPoint.  = We had=20 spent about a week selecting caches, solving puzzles, and optimizing our = route.  We kept my GPSr in the truck, linked to the laptop.  = We used=20 his GPSr in the field.  We knew where we were going, how we would = get=20 there, and when we should get there.  We had estimated how long = each cache=20 would take to find.  Our plan ended up being fairly accurate.  = With=20 all of this prep work and supporting technology, we were able to just = cruise=20 around following the pre-defined route and enjoy each and every cache we = found.  We ran into a cache owner and spent time = chatting.  We=20 played tricks on each other at some sites.  Most importantly, we = took our=20 time, enjoyed ourselves immensely, AND REMEMBER EVERY SINGLE=20 CACHE.
 
Although we had our = eye on that=20 record when we planned the trip, we did not let it distract us from the = reason=20 we geocache in the first place... to have fun = exploring.
 
CacheLess
-----Original = Message-----
From: On=20 Behalf Of WOLFB8
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 2:05=20 PM

aaa but the question remains did you do it in 8 = hours or=20 less???
Well having done the 41arizona cache but a total = of 45 for=20 the day. I know that your 44 could not have been much fun...they = all just=20 blend together...but congrads
 
We will be known by the tracks we leave=20 behind
------=_NextPart_000_0138_01C2E103.7C918BE0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 3 14:06:52 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 07:06:52 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Other Congratulations References: <013701c2e13e$28f063e0$697ba8c0@sbjr.com> Message-ID: <002d01c2e18e$24d771e0$c411b83f@fishkiller> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C2E153.7753A1E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Messageummmmm you missed one :) Read ALL the notes for Friends Again and you'll see why.. Team Evil Fish if I remember correctly Libby didn't you do it in the rain? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bill Tomlinson=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 9:34 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Other Congratulations No, we certainly didn't do it in under 8 hours. That's less that 12 = minutes a piece including drive, park, find, log time. I can see why = that wouldn't be fun. No, we do this first and foremost for the fun. = We completed the tour in about 15 hours. Started with flashlights and = ended with flashlights. We had a BLAST!! Picture us, two techie geeks, all decked out. In the truck, we had = the power inverter running saving the laptop batteries. On the laptop = we had Microsoft MapPoint. We had spent about a week selecting caches, = solving puzzles, and optimizing our route. We kept my GPSr in the = truck, linked to the laptop. We used his GPSr in the field. We knew = where we were going, how we would get there, and when we should get = there. We had estimated how long each cache would take to find. Our = plan ended up being fairly accurate. With all of this prep work and = supporting technology, we were able to just cruise around following the = pre-defined route and enjoy each and every cache we found. We ran into = a cache owner and spent time chatting. We played tricks on each other = at some sites. Most importantly, we took our time, enjoyed ourselves = immensely, AND REMEMBER EVERY SINGLE CACHE. Although we had our eye on that record when we planned the trip, we = did not let it distract us from the reason we geocache in the first = place... to have fun exploring. CacheLess -----Original Message----- From: On Behalf Of WOLFB8 Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 2:05 PM aaa but the question remains did you do it in 8 hours or less??? Well having done the 41arizona cache but a total of 45 for the day. = I know that your 44 could not have been much fun...they all just blend = together...but congrads We will be known by the tracks we leave behind ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C2E153.7753A1E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
ummmmm
 
you missed one :)
Read ALL the notes for Friends Again and you'll = see=20 why..
 
Team Evil Fish
 
if I remember correctly Libby didn't you do it in = the=20 rain?
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bill=20 Tomlinson
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 = 9:34=20 PM
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] = Other=20 Congratulations

No, we certainly = didn't do it=20 in under 8 hours.  That's less that 12 minutes a piece including = drive,=20 park, find, log time.  I can see why that wouldn't be fun.  = No, we=20 do this first and foremost for the fun.  We completed the tour in = about=20 15 hours.  Started with flashlights and ended with = flashlights.  We=20 had a BLAST!!
 
Picture us, two = techie geeks,=20 all decked out.  In the truck, we had the power inverter running = saving=20 the laptop batteries.  On the laptop we had Microsoft = MapPoint.  We=20 had spent about a week selecting caches, solving puzzles, and = optimizing our=20 route.  We kept my GPSr in the truck, linked to the laptop.  = We used=20 his GPSr in the field.  We knew where we were going, how we would = get=20 there, and when we should get there.  We had estimated how long = each=20 cache would take to find.  Our plan ended up being fairly = accurate. =20 With all of this prep work and supporting technology, we were able to = just=20 cruise around following the pre-defined route and enjoy each and every = cache=20 we found.  We ran into a cache owner and spent time = chatting. =20 We played tricks on each other at some sites.  Most importantly, = we took=20 our time, enjoyed ourselves immensely, AND REMEMBER EVERY SINGLE=20 CACHE.
 
Although we had = our eye on=20 that record when we planned the trip, we did not let it distract us = from the=20 reason we geocache in the first place... to have fun=20 exploring.
 
CacheLess
-----Original = Message-----
From: On=20 Behalf Of WOLFB8
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 2:05=20 PM

aaa but the question remains did you do it in 8 = hours or=20 less???
Well having done the 41arizona cache but a total = of 45 for=20 the day. I know that your 44 could not have been much = fun...they all=20 just blend together...but congrads
 
We will be known by the tracks we leave=20 behind
------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C2E153.7753A1E0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 3 16:37:32 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 08:37:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] So close, and yet so far..... Message-ID: <20030303083735.3575.h011.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Hey Rand, Thanks for the kind words. At least I could get a bit of caching out of the way before this "mandatory" break! For those of you who pray, please say a prayer Wed morning 0730 for safety and success on this surgery (and me not freaking out!) Thanks Trisha "Lightning" Prescott www.ycjp.org "RAND HARDIN" wrote: Trish,   Good luck on the surgery.  You may not be able to do any caching or speaking for a while, but we will look forward to you keeping us updated on the "listserv".   Take care,   RandMan   ----- Original Message ----- From: trisha@brasher.com Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 7:41 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] So close, and yet so far.....  Well, after our 5-day, 22 cache trip to Reno to visit Dan's brand newgranddaughter (yup, she's a doll!!!) and his folks, we areslowly....ever-so-slowly..... creeping up on our "sesquicentennial"total cache.....and "centennial" AZ cache.....(I have alot of out ofstate, mostly Nevada caches)....BUT....as I am having the surgery onWednesday (major throat rotor-rooter for obstructive sleep apnea) itlooks like I won't be hitting any milestones for awhile, DARN!Anybody have any experience with the UP3 surgery? It is extremelypainful for a full 2 weeks post-op, I am told and read.Trisha "Lightning"Prescott ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Although no one can go back and make a brand new start, Anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 3 21:20:03 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ford, Denny) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 14:20:03 -0700 Subject: [AZ-Geocaching] new face at #1! Message-ID: I want to add my congratulations to Team CHUMP for attaining this insane (ops) I mean prestigious position. This is obviously the work of a mad man. Dan from Lazy K can attest to his drive to find them all. There has been plenty of Days when we were begging for mercy, and Rob said, "Just one more, it is close". Rob is like the US Postal Service, nothing will stop him from his appointed rounds; Dark of Night, Rain, Sleet, Wind, Heat, Cold. To add to my claim of his insanity, I was with him on the first day of caching, and even the threat from a law officer of $500 dollar fine, did not stop him. He was so occupied with finding the cache he missed road closed sign. Most normal people this would have discourage the person from continuing, but not Rob. Congrats Bert!!!! Denny Tres Hombres From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 3 21:58:54 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bill Tomlinson) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 14:58:54 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Other Congratulations In-Reply-To: <002d01c2e18e$24d771e0$c411b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: <000c01c2e1d0$159bbb90$697ba8c0@sbjr.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C2E195.693FF0D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Man, we were so close! We hadn't read that far into the notes. We had = been working on the puzzle, but hadn't completed it in time. =20 And if Libby set her record in the rain, that might explain things. It = only rained half the day for us. That must be why it took us twice as long. = Let that be a lesson to the rest of you. If you want to set a record, you = need a rainy day in Arizona! =20 Next time Fish... -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = Regan Smith Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 7:07 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Other Congratulations ummmmm =20 you missed one :) Read ALL the notes for Friends Again and you'll see why.. =20 Team Evil Fish =20 if I remember correctly Libby didn't you do it in the rain? =20 =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bill Tomlinson=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 9:34 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Other Congratulations No, we certainly didn't do it in under 8 hours. That's less that 12 = minutes a piece including drive, park, find, log time. I can see why that = wouldn't be fun. No, we do this first and foremost for the fun. We completed = the tour in about 15 hours. Started with flashlights and ended with flashlights. We had a BLAST!! =20 Picture us, two techie geeks, all decked out. In the truck, we had the power inverter running saving the laptop batteries. On the laptop we = had Microsoft MapPoint. We had spent about a week selecting caches, solving puzzles, and optimizing our route. We kept my GPSr in the truck, linked = to the laptop. We used his GPSr in the field. We knew where we were = going, how we would get there, and when we should get there. We had estimated = how long each cache would take to find. Our plan ended up being fairly accurate. With all of this prep work and supporting technology, we were able to just cruise around following the pre-defined route and enjoy = each and every cache we found. We ran into a cache owner and spent time chatting. We played tricks on each other at some sites. Most = importantly, we took our time, enjoyed ourselves immensely, AND REMEMBER EVERY SINGLE CACHE. =20 Although we had our eye on that record when we planned the trip, we did = not let it distract us from the reason we geocache in the first place... to = have fun exploring. =20 CacheLess -----Original Message----- From: On Behalf Of WOLFB8 Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 2:05 PM aaa but the question remains did you do it in 8 hours or less??? Well having done the 41arizona cache but a total of 45 for the day. I = know that your 44 could not have been much fun...they all just blend together...but congrads =20 We will be known by the tracks we leave behind ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C2E195.693FF0D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Man, we were so = close!  We=20 hadn't read that far into the notes.  We had been working on the = puzzle,=20 but hadn't completed it in time.
 
And if Libby set = her record in=20 the rain, that might explain things.  It only rained half the day = for=20 us.  That must be why it took us twice as long.  Let that be a = lesson=20 to the rest of you.  If you want to set a record, you need a rainy = day in=20 Arizona!
 
Next time=20 Fish...
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = Regan Smith
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 7:07 = AM
To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Other = Congratulations

ummmmm
 
you missed one :)
Read ALL the notes for Friends Again and = you'll see=20 why..
 
Team Evil Fish
 
if I remember correctly Libby didn't you do it in = the=20 rain?
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bill=20 Tomlinson
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 = 9:34=20 PM
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] = Other=20 Congratulations

No, we = certainly didn't do=20 it in under 8 hours.  That's less that 12 minutes a piece = including=20 drive, park, find, log time.  I can see why that wouldn't be = fun. =20 No, we do this first and foremost for the fun.  We completed = the tour=20 in about 15 hours.  Started with flashlights and ended with=20 flashlights.  We had a BLAST!!
 
Picture us, two = techie=20 geeks, all decked out.  In the truck, we had the power inverter = running=20 saving the laptop batteries.  On the laptop we had Microsoft=20 MapPoint.  We had spent about a week selecting caches, solving = puzzles,=20 and optimizing our route.  We kept my GPSr in the truck, linked = to the=20 laptop.  We used his GPSr in the field.  We knew where we = were=20 going, how we would get there, and when we should get there.  = We had=20 estimated how long each cache would take to find.  Our plan = ended up=20 being fairly accurate.  With all of this prep work and = supporting=20 technology, we were able to just cruise around following the = pre-defined=20 route and enjoy each and every cache we found.  We ran into a = cache=20 owner and spent time chatting.  We played tricks on each = other at=20 some sites.  Most importantly, we took our time, enjoyed = ourselves=20 immensely, AND REMEMBER EVERY SINGLE CACHE.
 
Although we had = our eye on=20 that record when we planned the trip, we did not let it distract us = from the=20 reason we geocache in the first place... to have fun=20 exploring.
 
CacheLess
-----Original = Message-----
From: On=20 Behalf Of WOLFB8
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 2:05=20 PM

aaa but the question remains did you do it in = 8 hours or=20 less???
Well having done the 41arizona cache but a = total of 45=20 for the day. I know that your 44 could not have been much = fun...they=20 all just blend together...but congrads
 
We will be known by the tracks we leave=20 behind
------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C2E195.693FF0D0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 3 22:11:34 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:11:34 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Other Congratulations References: <000c01c2e1d0$159bbb90$697ba8c0@sbjr.com> Message-ID: <003e01c2e1d1$db5cc620$e449b83f@fishkiller> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C2E197.2DB76460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageThere is the Event Cache this Saturday Morning to make up for it = :) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bill Tomlinson=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 2:58 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Other Congratulations Man, we were so close! We hadn't read that far into the notes. We = had been working on the puzzle, but hadn't completed it in time. And if Libby set her record in the rain, that might explain things. = It only rained half the day for us. That must be why it took us twice = as long. Let that be a lesson to the rest of you. If you want to set a = record, you need a rainy day in Arizona! Next time Fish... -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com = [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = Regan Smith Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 7:07 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Other Congratulations ummmmm you missed one :) Read ALL the notes for Friends Again and you'll see why.. Team Evil Fish if I remember correctly Libby didn't you do it in the rain? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bill Tomlinson=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 9:34 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Other Congratulations No, we certainly didn't do it in under 8 hours. That's less that = 12 minutes a piece including drive, park, find, log time. I can see why = that wouldn't be fun. No, we do this first and foremost for the fun. = We completed the tour in about 15 hours. Started with flashlights and = ended with flashlights. We had a BLAST!! Picture us, two techie geeks, all decked out. In the truck, we = had the power inverter running saving the laptop batteries. On the = laptop we had Microsoft MapPoint. We had spent about a week selecting = caches, solving puzzles, and optimizing our route. We kept my GPSr in = the truck, linked to the laptop. We used his GPSr in the field. We = knew where we were going, how we would get there, and when we should get = there. We had estimated how long each cache would take to find. Our = plan ended up being fairly accurate. With all of this prep work and = supporting technology, we were able to just cruise around following the = pre-defined route and enjoy each and every cache we found. We ran into = a cache owner and spent time chatting. We played tricks on each other = at some sites. Most importantly, we took our time, enjoyed ourselves = immensely, AND REMEMBER EVERY SINGLE CACHE. Although we had our eye on that record when we planned the trip, = we did not let it distract us from the reason we geocache in the first = place... to have fun exploring. CacheLess -----Original Message----- From: On Behalf Of WOLFB8 Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 2:05 PM aaa but the question remains did you do it in 8 hours or less??? Well having done the 41arizona cache but a total of 45 for the = day. I know that your 44 could not have been much fun...they all just = blend together...but congrads We will be known by the tracks we leave behind ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C2E197.2DB76460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
There is the Event Cache this Saturday Morning to = make up for=20 it :)
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bill=20 Tomlinson
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 = 2:58=20 PM
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] = Other=20 Congratulations

Man, we were so = close! =20 We hadn't read that far into the notes.  We had been working on = the=20 puzzle, but hadn't completed it in time.
 
And if Libby set = her record=20 in the rain, that might explain things.  It only rained half the = day for=20 us.  That must be why it took us twice as long.  Let that be = a=20 lesson to the rest of you.  If you want to set a record, you need = a rainy=20 day in Arizona!
 
Next time=20 Fish...
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf = Of=20 Regan Smith
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 7:07 = AM
To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = Other=20 Congratulations

ummmmm
 
you missed one :)
Read ALL the notes for Friends Again and = you'll see=20 why..
 
Team Evil Fish
 
if I remember correctly Libby didn't you do it = in the=20 rain?
 
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Bill Tomlinson
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
Sent: Sunday, March 02, = 2003 9:34=20 PM
Subject: RE: = [Az-Geocaching] Other=20 Congratulations

No, we = certainly didn't=20 do it in under 8 hours.  That's less that 12 minutes a piece=20 including drive, park, find, log time.  I can see why that = wouldn't=20 be fun.  No, we do this first and foremost for the fun.  = We=20 completed the tour in about 15 hours.  Started with = flashlights and=20 ended with flashlights.  We had a BLAST!!
 
Picture us, = two techie=20 geeks, all decked out.  In the truck, we had the power = inverter=20 running saving the laptop batteries.  On the laptop we had = Microsoft=20 MapPoint.  We had spent about a week selecting caches, = solving=20 puzzles, and optimizing our route.  We kept my GPSr in the = truck,=20 linked to the laptop.  We used his GPSr in the field.  = We knew=20 where we were going, how we would get there, and when we should = get=20 there.  We had estimated how long each cache would take to=20 find.  Our plan ended up being fairly accurate.  With = all of=20 this prep work and supporting technology, we were able to just = cruise=20 around following the pre-defined route and enjoy each and every = cache we=20 found.  We ran into a cache owner and spent time = chatting. =20 We played tricks on each other at some sites.  Most = importantly, we=20 took our time, enjoyed ourselves immensely, AND REMEMBER EVERY = SINGLE=20 CACHE.
 
Although we = had our eye=20 on that record when we planned the trip, we did not let it = distract us=20 from the reason we geocache in the first place... to have fun=20 exploring.
 
CacheLess
-----Original = Message-----
From: On=20 Behalf Of WOLFB8
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 2:05 = PM

aaa but the question remains did you do it = in 8 hours=20 or less???
Well having done the 41arizona cache but a = total of 45=20 for the day. I know that your 44 could not have been much=20 fun...they all just blend together...but congrads
 
We will be known by the tracks we leave=20 = behind
------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C2E197.2DB76460-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 3 22:51:18 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bill Tomlinson) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:51:18 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Other Congratulations In-Reply-To: <003e01c2e1d1$db5cc620$e449b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: <001501c2e1d7$67a80cc0$697ba8c0@sbjr.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C2E19C.BB4ABB60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't rub it in. I've been planning on attending since it was posted. Even had the family interested in joining me. Now, my son joined his first little league team and they scheduled a practice game during the Event Cache. :-( TheWebbman is still planning on attending and promised to take along my picture so I can be there in spirit. -----Original Message----- From: Regan Smith There is the Event Cache this Saturday Morning to make up for it :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Tomlinson Next time Fish... ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C2E19C.BB4ABB60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Don't rub it = in.  I've=20 been planning on attending since it was posted.  Even had the = family=20 interested in joining me.  Now, my son joined his first little = league team=20 and they scheduled a practice game during the Event Cache.  = :-( =20 TheWebbman is still planning on attending and promised to take along my = picture=20 so I can be there in spirit.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: = Regan=20 Smith

There is the Event Cache this Saturday Morning to = make up=20 for it :)
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bill=20 Tomlinson

Next time=20 Fish...
------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C2E19C.BB4ABB60-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 3 23:41:58 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:41:58 EST Subject: [Az-Geocaching] I'm moving Message-ID: <146.be2cc2c.2b954246@aol.com> --part1_146.be2cc2c.2b954246_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm moving out of state - Florida to be exact. Is anyone interested in taking over/maintaining my hidden caches? They are all located in the east valley. --part1_146.be2cc2c.2b954246_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm moving out of state -= Florida to be exact.  Is anyone interested in taking over/maintaining=20= my hidden caches?  They are all located in the east valley.
 --part1_146.be2cc2c.2b954246_boundary-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Mar 4 01:02:17 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bell, Robert) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:02:17 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] What a long fun trip it's been Message-ID: I don't think I can top Denny's (Tres Hombres) post, so let me just say thanks for the kind and congratulatory emails. It sure has been a fun climb. I don't think I could have ever caught Wyle E or Sand Dollar if they hadn't stopped doing AZ caches. I know I wear the virtual target now, and Scott (RTW) and Jim & Kristen are already kicking it in high gear lately and the Roadrunners are well rested! So we'll see how long it lasts, but I'll enjoy it in the meantime. (Are we sure Wyle E just hasn't logged all his finds yet??) The best part is still meeting people with my common hobby (or sickness) and yes, I still get a kick out of finding a cache - the treasure hunt feeling doesn't quite go away!! And a worthy congratulations to Team(s) Cacheless and Webbman for their caching marathon, most in a day. How long did it take to log all those? Thanks everyone for all your caches !! See you on the trails ! Rob and Troy, Team CHUMP "Gotta cache 'em all!" P.S. Special thanks to Lazy K and Tres Hombres, for putting up with me on all those long cache trips !! From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Mar 4 01:17:29 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bill Burkett) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:17:29 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Best Wishes, Trisha! In-Reply-To: <20030302183706.1856.h016.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: Good luck with the surgery and recovery, Trisha! Some of your caches were among the first we went after and we hope you're back out there putting Tupperware in imaginative places again very soon! -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of trisha@brasher.com Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 7:37 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] So close, and yet so far..... Well, after our 5-day, 22 cache trip to Reno to visit Dan's brand new granddaughter (yup, she's a doll!!!) and his folks, we are slowly....ever-so-slowly..... creeping up on our "sesquicentennial" total cache.....and "centennial" AZ cache.....(I have alot of out of state, mostly Nevada caches)....BUT....as I am having the surgery on Wednesday (major throat rotor-rooter for obstructive sleep apnea) it looks like I won't be hitting any milestones for awhile, DARN! Anybody have any experience with the UP3 surgery? It is extremely painful for a full 2 weeks post-op, I am told and read. Trisha "Lightning" Prescott ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Although no one can go back and make a brand new start, Anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Mar 4 04:29:22 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Loran Wilcox) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 21:29:22 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] What a long fun trip it's been References: Message-ID: <003901c2e206$a1bd15c0$0500a8c0@one> It wasn't my choice to stop doing AZ caches. Got to go where the work is even if it is minus 5 degrees in the morning. Oh how I miss the warm days of caching in Phoenix. Loran (Team Sand Dollar) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bell, Robert" To: Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 6:02 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] What a long fun trip it's been > > I don't think I can top Denny's (Tres Hombres) post, so > let me just say thanks for the kind and congratulatory > emails. It sure has been a fun climb. I don't think I could > have ever caught Wyle E or Sand Dollar if they hadn't stopped > doing AZ caches. I know I wear the virtual target now, and Scott > (RTW) and Jim & Kristen are already kicking it in high gear lately > and the Roadrunners are well rested! So we'll see how long it lasts, > but I'll enjoy it in the meantime. (Are we sure Wyle E just hasn't > logged all his finds yet??) > > The best part is still meeting people with my common hobby > (or sickness) and yes, I still get a kick out of finding a cache - > the treasure hunt feeling doesn't quite go away!! > > And a worthy congratulations to Team(s) Cacheless and Webbman > for their caching marathon, most in a day. How long did it take to > log all those? > > Thanks everyone for all your caches !! See you on the trails ! > > Rob and Troy, Team CHUMP > "Gotta cache 'em all!" > > P.S. Special thanks to Lazy K and Tres Hombres, for putting up with me > on all those long cache trips !! > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Mar 4 18:09:03 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 10:09:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Best Wishes, Trisha! Message-ID: <20030304100904.13000.h014.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Oh, I missed Bill in my last note....thanks for the kind words! My caches are still out there, altho some have snow in the way.... Trisha "Bill Burkett" wrote: > > Good luck with the surgery and recovery, Trisha! Some of your caches > were > among the first we went after and we hope you're back out there putting > Tupperware in imaginative places again very soon! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of > trisha@brasher.com > Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 7:37 PM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] So close, and yet so far..... > > Well, after our 5-day, 22 cache trip to Reno to visit Dan's brand new > granddaughter (yup, she's a doll!!!) and his folks, we are > slowly....ever-so-slowly..... creeping up on our "sesquicentennial" > total cache.....and "centennial" AZ cache.....(I have alot of out of > state, mostly Nevada caches)....BUT....as I am having the surgery on > Wednesday (major throat rotor-rooter for obstructive sleep apnea) it > looks like I won't be hitting any milestones for awhile, DARN! > Anybody have any experience with the UP3 surgery? It is extremely > painful for a full 2 weeks post-op, I am told and read. > Trisha "Lightning" > Prescott > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > "Although no one can go back and > make a brand new start, > Anyone can start from now and > make a brand new ending." > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Although no one can go back and make a brand new start, Anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Mar 4 19:15:40 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 11:15:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Arizona resident does not want to be "transient" and would like to set down roots here Message-ID: <20030304191540.94916.qmail@web21106.mail.yahoo.com> --0-824774264-1046805340=:92608 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message: 2 From: "Loran Wilcox" To: Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] What a long fun trip it's been Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 21:29:22 -0700 It wasn't my choice to stop doing AZ caches. Got to go where the work is even if it is minus 5 degrees in the morning. Oh how I miss the warm days of caching in Phoenix. Loran (Team Sand Dollar) I surely hope I don't have to make the kind of decision that Loran had to make. I definitely want to remain in Arizona and establish some roots in the community. I don't want to be transient and I don't want to contribute further to the "transiency" of Arizona. I want to be recognized as one of the leaders of the Phoenix metropolitan area, and it would be hard for me to do this if I moved around a lot, particularly to places where I don't enjoy living and where I don't intend to set down long-term roots. Loran, I hope you are keeping abreast of the job advertisements in the Phoenix area, and you can find a better job here and return here to live (and geocache) as soon as you can. Ken Akerman (a.k.a. Highpointer) --0-824774264-1046805340=:92608 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Message: 2
From: "Loran  Wilcox"  To: <listserv@azgeocaching.com>
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] What a long fun trip it's been
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 21:29:22 -0700

It wasn't my choice to stop doing AZ caches. Got to go where the work is even if it is minus 5 degrees in the morning. Oh how I miss the warm days of caching in Phoenix.

Loran (Team Sand Dollar)

I surely hope I don't have to make the kind of decision that Loran had to make.  I definitely want to remain in Arizona and establish some roots in the community.  I don't want to be transient and I don't want to contribute further to the "transiency" of Arizona.  I want to be recognized as one of the leaders of the Phoenix metropolitan area, and it would be hard for me to do this if I moved around a lot, particularly to places where I don't enjoy living and where I don't intend to set down long-term roots.

Loran, I hope you are keeping abreast of the job advertisements in the Phoenix area, and you can find a better job here and return here to live (and geocache) as soon as you can.

Ken Akerman (a.k.a. Highpointer)

--0-824774264-1046805340=:92608-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Mar 4 19:27:02 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RAND HARDIN) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 12:27:02 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Congrats to C.H.U.M.P. and AJ.JR Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C2E249.5C2AE440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I wanted to congratulate "AJ.JR" on reaching 300 caches yesterday. I also wanted to tip my hat to "Team C.H.U.M.P." for topping the chart! RandMan ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C2E249.5C2AE440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I wanted to co= ngratulate "AJ.JR" on reaching 300 caches yesterday.
 
I also wanted to tip my hat to "Team C.H.U.M.P." for toppin= g the chart!
 
RandMan 

------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C2E249.5C2AE440-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Mar 4 21:23:04 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (mike and gale jett) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 21:23:04 +0000 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] I'm moving Message-ID:

I would like to take Old West Cache. It's a sentimental favorite for us. Do you know how to change ownership of a cache? Have a safe and event-free move.              Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking

>From: PixceeDust@aol.com
>Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
>To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
>Subject: [Az-Geocaching] I'm moving
>Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:41:58 EST
>
>I'm moving out of state - Florida to be exact. Is anyone interested in
>taking over/maintaining my hidden caches? They are all located in the east
>valley.

MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Mar 4 21:40:27 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 16:40:27 EST Subject: [Az-Geocaching] I'm moving Message-ID: <112.1f910d21.2b96774b@aol.com> --part1_112.1f910d21.2b96774b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not sure how to officially change ownership - I wo0uld think there should be a way to do it. Anyone know how??? Jessica --part1_112.1f910d21.2b96774b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm not sure how to offic= ially change ownership - I wo0uld think there should be a way to do it. = ; Anyone know how???

Jessica --part1_112.1f910d21.2b96774b_boundary-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Mar 4 21:29:52 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (mike and gale jett) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 21:29:52 +0000 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] So close, and yet so far..... Message-ID:

Best wishes for a speedy recovery. I hope the pain is a lot less than the doctors are leading you to expect. Don't hesitate to use pain medication if you need it. Focus instead on what caches you'd like to hit after your recovery. We look forward to reading that you are up and caching again soon. You'll be in our prayers.

>From: trisha@brasher.com
>Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
>To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
>Subject: [Az-Geocaching] So close, and yet so far.....
>Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 18:37:06 -0800 (PST)
>
>Well, after our 5-day, 22 cache trip to Reno to visit Dan's brand new
>granddaughter (yup, she's a doll!!!) and his folks, we are
>slowly....ever-so-slowly..... creeping up on our "sesquicentennial"
>total cache.....and "centennial" AZ cache.....(I have alot of out of
>state, mostly Nevada caches)....BUT....as I am having the surgery on
>Wednesday (major throat rotor-rooter for obstructive sleep apnea) it
>looks like I won't be hitting any milestones for awhile, DARN!
>Anybody have any experience with the UP3 surgery? It is extremely
>painful for a full 2 weeks post-op, I am told and read.
>Trisha "Lightning"
>Prescott
>
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>"Although no one can go back and
>make a brand new start,
>Anyone can start from now and
>make a brand new ending."
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>____________________________________________________________
>Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com
>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit:
>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching
>
>Arizona's Geocaching Resource
>http://www.azgeocaching.com

Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Mar 4 22:03:12 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brent Milner) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 15:03:12 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] I'm moving In-Reply-To: <112.1f910d21.2b96774b@aol.com> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01C2E25F.2D00C1B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe when FroBro Goose joined the Navy, he just e-mailed someone at geocaching.com and they eventually took care of it for him. -FroBro Q-Tip -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of PixceeDust@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 2:40 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] I'm moving I'm not sure how to officially change ownership - I wo0uld think there should be a way to do it. Anyone know how??? Jessica ******************************************************************************* The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential. It is intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager or the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any one or make copies. ** eSafe scanned this email for viruses, vandals and malicious content ** ******************************************************************************* ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01C2E25F.2D00C1B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I=20 believe when FroBro Goose joined the Navy, he just e-mailed someone at=20 geocaching.com and they eventually took care of it for him.=
 
-FroBro Q-Tip
 
 
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I'm not=20 sure how to officially change ownership - I wo0uld think there should be = a way=20 to do it.  Anyone know how???

Jessica 
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------=_NextPart_000_0063_01C2E25F.2D00C1B0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Mar 4 22:14:58 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RAND HARDIN) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 15:14:58 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] I'm moving Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C2E260.D1E9E660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jessica, I'm sorry, I don't know how to transfer ownership of a cache. Are you st= ill going to be involved with caching? If you are, and if any of your ca= ches that you do not transfer ownership on need to be looked after, I wou= ld be available to help (or I can help find someone that will). RandMan ----- Original Message ----- From: PixceeDust@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 2:49 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] I'm moving I'm not sure how to officially change ownership - I wo0uld think there sh= ould be a way to do it. Anyone know how??? Jessica =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C2E260.D1E9E660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jessica,
=
 
I'm sorry, I don't know how to transfer ownership= of a cache.  Are you still going to be involved with caching? = If you are, and if any of your caches that you do not transfer ownership= on need to be looked after, I would be available to help (or I= can help find someone that will).
 
RandMan
 
----- Original Message -----
=
Fr= om: PixceeDust@aol.com
Sent:= Tuesday, March 04, 2003 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] I'm moving
 I'm not sure how to officially= change ownership - I wo0uld think there should be a way to do it.  = Anyone know how???

Jessica
------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C2E260.D1E9E660-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Mar 4 22:38:18 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Eric Quinn) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 14:38:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] I'm moving In-Reply-To: <112.1f910d21.2b96774b@aol.com> Message-ID: <20030304223818.59107.qmail@web40606.mail.yahoo.com> It's a simple process. Email the admins at www. geocaching.com. Specify which cache(s) and who the new owner is. It might be best to CC the new owner on the email and provide both the name and GC number of the cache. They'll take it from there. I'll be doing the same thing soon once I find out where I'm going to next week. Eric Team Dragon --- PixceeDust@aol.com wrote: > I'm not sure how to officially change ownership - I > wo0uld think there should > be a way to do it. Anyone know how??? > > Jessica > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Mar 4 22:43:31 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 15:43:31 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] I'm moving References: <112.1f910d21.2b96774b@aol.com> Message-ID: <002501c2e29f$7c564060$4de9b141@fishkiller> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C2E264.CEA015C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll look after the Let's go Fishing Cache and the Usery Pass Cache ----- Original Message -----=20 From: PixceeDust@aol.com=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] I'm moving I'm not sure how to officially change ownership - I wo0uld think there = should be a way to do it. Anyone know how??? Jessica ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C2E264.CEA015C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'll look after the Let's go Fishing = Cache and the=20 Usery Pass Cache
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 PixceeDust@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 = 2:40=20 PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = I'm=20 moving

I'm not sure=20 how to officially change ownership - I wo0uld think there should be a = way to=20 do it.  Anyone know how???

Jessica ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C2E264.CEA015C0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Mar 4 22:43:30 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Eric Quinn) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 14:43:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Best Wishes, Trisha! In-Reply-To: <20030304100904.13000.h014.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: <20030304224330.34506.qmail@web40602.mail.yahoo.com> Good luck tomorrow! I've known two people who had it done, one had a positive experience and one didn't achieve everything he had hoped. I'm fortunate enough that while I had pretty severe apnea, quitting smoking and losing weight reduced it to the point that it is just occasionally annoying. Eric Team Dragon --- trisha@brasher.com wrote: > > Anybody have any experience with the UP3 surgery? > It is extremely > > painful for a full 2 weeks post-op, I am told and > read. > > Trisha "Lightning" > > Prescott __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Mar 4 23:04:51 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 15:04:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Best Wishes, Trisha! Message-ID: <20030304150452.10834.h004.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Thanks for the encouragement, Eric. I can't tolerate the CPAP machine, and Dr thinks due to my severity (moderate, not severe) and anatomy that it should be successful. I'm just very nervous about pain management and getting dehydrated post-op. Soooo.....thanks to all who said good luck and are praying, I'll see ya in a week or two! Trisha "Lightning" Prescott Eric Quinn wrote: > > Good luck tomorrow! I've known two people who had it > done, one had a positive experience and one didn't > achieve everything he had hoped. I'm fortunate enough > that while I had pretty severe apnea, quitting smoking > and losing weight reduced it to the point that it is > just occasionally annoying. > > > Eric > Team Dragon > > --- trisha@brasher.com wrote: > > > > Anybody have any experience with the UP3 surgery? > > It is extremely > > > painful for a full 2 weeks post-op, I am told and > > read. > > > Trisha "Lightning" > > > Prescott > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Although no one can go back and make a brand new start, Anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 5 04:24:32 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 23:24:32 EST Subject: [Az-Geocaching] I'm moving Message-ID: <181.17f557bf.2b96d600@aol.com> --part1_181.17f557bf.2b96d600_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ummmm - Buggers - what is your geocaching name so I can make the transfer of the caches to you? Jessica --part1_181.17f557bf.2b96d600_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ummmm - Buggers - what is= your geocaching name so I can make the transfer of the caches to you?

Jessica --part1_181.17f557bf.2b96d600_boundary-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 5 04:38:15 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 23:38:15 EST Subject: [Az-Geocaching] I'm moving Message-ID: <154.1cb839bc.2b96d937@aol.com> --part1_154.1cb839bc.2b96d937_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thanks Rand. I'll be sure to let you know which ones no one claims. And yes, I plan to continue caching in Florida :) Jessica --part1_154.1cb839bc.2b96d937_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thanks Rand.  I'll b= e sure to let you know which ones no one claims.  And yes, I plan to co= ntinue caching in Florida  :)

Jessica --part1_154.1cb839bc.2b96d937_boundary-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 5 04:44:33 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bill Tomlinson) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 21:44:33 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Congrats AJ.JR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <006001c2e2d1$eb46c080$697ba8c0@sbjr.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C2E297.3EE7E880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would like to add my congratulations to AJ.JR . 300 is a heck of a climb and you did it quickly. Way to go!! CacheLess ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C2E297.3EE7E880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
I would like = to add my=20 congratulations to AJ.JR .  300 is a = heck of a=20 climb and you did it quickly.  Way to = go!!
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C2E297.3EE7E880-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 5 06:53:25 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 23:53:25 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] The stewards are at it again Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030304235248.028f4be0@mail.myblueheaven.com> Just came across this on the geocahing.com forums. Looks like Shelly and her ilk are still playing games. http://opentopic.groundspeak.com/0/OpenTopic?a=tpc&s=1750973553&f=3000938983&m=7130925455 In liberty, Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 5 14:10:54 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 07:10:54 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] I'm moving References: <181.17f557bf.2b96d600@aol.com> Message-ID: <003c01c2e321$0aa979a0$4929b83f@fishkiller> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C2E2E6.5CF34F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Team Evil Fish ----- Original Message -----=20 From: PixceeDust@aol.com=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] I'm moving ummmm - Buggers - what is your geocaching name so I can make the = transfer of the caches to you? Jessica ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C2E2E6.5CF34F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Team Evil Fish
 
 
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ummmm - Buggers=20 - what is your geocaching name so I can make the transfer of the = caches to=20 you?

Jessica=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C2E2E6.5CF34F00-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 5 16:06:21 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Nicol) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 08:06:21 -0800 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] The stewards are at it again Message-ID: The cache "Left to Ruin on Rye" was also archived when the SHPO asked that that one be removed as well. I was planning on hitting that cache (and had been looking forward to doing it for quite a while now) last weekend. But, after seeing the cache page, I found out it was no longer available. I emailed the cache owner and the cache is not even close to the ruins. But, on the same hill. These people with the SHPO need to get a life. If a cache is on public land, we have every right to be able to hike about the area... even if there is an archeoligical site nearby. Some of these ruin sites are SO far out in the wilderness that 99.999999999% of the states population will never come near them. In some cases, weather would likely erode them away before people will! Scott >From: Scott Wood >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >Subject: [Az-Geocaching] The stewards are at it again >Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 23:53:25 -0700 > >Just came across this on the geocahing.com forums. Looks like Shelly and >her ilk are still playing games. > >http://opentopic.groundspeak.com/0/OpenTopic?a=tpc&s=1750973553&f=3000938983&m=7130925455 >In liberty, > >Scott > >wood@myblueheaven.com >www.myblueheaven.com > >____________________________________________________________ >Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > >Arizona's Geocaching Resource >http://www.azgeocaching.com _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 5 16:56:36 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jason Poulter) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 09:56:36 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] The stewards are at it again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E662C44.9080504@snaptek.com> GO there anyway... and look at the ruins... log it as a virtual cache... Scott Nicol wrote: > > The cache "Left to Ruin on Rye" was also archived when the SHPO asked > that that one be removed as well. I was planning on hitting that cache > (and had been looking forward to doing it for quite a while now) last > weekend. But, after seeing the cache page, I found out it was no longer > available. I emailed the cache owner and the cache is not even close to > the ruins. But, on the same hill. These people with the SHPO need to get > a life. If a cache is on public land, we have every right to be able to > hike about the area... even if there is an archeoligical site nearby. > Some of these ruin sites are SO far out in the wilderness that > 99.999999999% of the states population will never come near them. In > some cases, weather would likely erode them away before people will! > > Scott > > > > > >> From: Scott Wood >> Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >> To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >> Subject: [Az-Geocaching] The stewards are at it again >> Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 23:53:25 -0700 >> >> Just came across this on the geocahing.com forums. Looks like Shelly >> and her ilk are still playing games. >> >> http://opentopic.groundspeak.com/0/OpenTopic?a=tpc&s=1750973553&f=3000938983&m=7130925455 >> >> In liberty, >> >> Scott >> >> wood@myblueheaven.com >> www.myblueheaven.com >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >> To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >> http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching >> >> Arizona's Geocaching Resource >> http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 5 20:04:24 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 12:04:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] "Left to Ruin on Rye" is an excellent cache; should remain active Message-ID: <20030305200424.95922.qmail@web21107.mail.yahoo.com> --0-306539706-1046894664=:94427 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The cache "Left to Ruin on Rye" was also archived when the SHPO asked that that one be removed as well. I was planning on hitting that cache (and had been looking forward to doing it for quite a while now) last weekend. But, after seeing the cache page, I found out it was no longer available. I emailed the cache owner and the cache is not even close to the ruins. But, on the same hill. These people with the SHPO need to get a life. The cache Left to Ruin on Rye is an example of a geocache in an excellent location. I found it on Jan. 5, 2003. It is a short, but steep hike to a place with outstanding views, not too isolated but not too close to the city either. In my opinion, the people with the SHPO need to realize that they do not own public land. We all own the public lands. This appears to me to be an excellent example of people being granted a little bit of power and authority, and then using their power and authority to harass people and make arbitrary decisions. Ken Akerman (a.k.a. Highpointer) --0-306539706-1046894664=:94427 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

The cache "Left to Ruin on Rye" was also archived when the SHPO asked that that one be removed as well. I was planning on hitting that cache (and had been looking forward to doing it for quite a while now) last weekend. But, after seeing the cache page, I found out it was no longer available. I emailed the cache owner and the cache is not even close to the ruins. But, on the same hill. These people with the SHPO need to get a life.

The cache Left to Ruin on Rye is an example of a geocache in an excellent location.  I found it on Jan. 5, 2003.  It is a short, but steep hike to a place with outstanding views, not too isolated but not too close to the city either.

In my opinion, the people with the SHPO need to realize that they do not own public land.  We all own the public lands.  This appears to me to be an excellent example of people being granted a little bit of power and authority, and then using their power and authority to harass people and make arbitrary decisions.

Ken Akerman (a.k.a. Highpointer)

--0-306539706-1046894664=:94427-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 5 20:57:03 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 13:57:03 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] "Left to Ruin on Rye" is an excellent cache; should remain active In-Reply-To: <20030305200424.95922.qmail@web21107.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030305200424.95922.qmail@web21107.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3E66649F.6040807@snaptek.com> ken@highpointer.com wrote: > In my opinion, the people with the SHPO need to realize that they do not > own public land. We all own the public lands. This appears to me to be > an excellent example of people being granted a little bit of power and > authority, and then using their power and authority to harass people and > make arbitrary decisions. I think we need to talk to the head of the site stewards (Ms. Estes?) and see how far away from an arch site they want people. I know the site stewards would like the range in miles, but I'm willing to bet that it will be much smaller than that. If we can get some sort of exact distance nailed down, we will be able to tell some of these site stewards to go jump in a lake. Right now they are just doing their volunteer job and keeping people from going near their sites... but without a definition of "near" Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 5 22:24:50 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 15:24:50 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] "Left to Ruin on Rye" is an excellent cache; should remain active References: <20030305200424.95922.qmail@web21107.mail.yahoo.com> <3E66649F.6040807@snaptek.com> Message-ID: <002b01c2e366$0ad38980$5c30b83f@fishkiller> Right now they are just doing their volunteer job and keeping people from going near their sites... THEIR job to keep people from THEIR sites that people have a right to go to anyway??? I say we all need to quit this Urban stuff and find some old rocks to hide large ammo cans near so the hoards of Thousands of Geocachers can go and disturb... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Cluff" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] "Left to Ruin on Rye" is an excellent cache; should remain active > ken@highpointer.com wrote: > > In my opinion, the people with the SHPO need to realize that they do not > > own public land. We all own the public lands. This appears to me to be > > an excellent example of people being granted a little bit of power and > > authority, and then using their power and authority to harass people and > > make arbitrary decisions. > > I think we need to talk to the head of the site stewards (Ms. Estes?) > and see how far away from an arch site they want people. > I know the site stewards would like the range in miles, but I'm willing > to bet that it will be much smaller than that. If we can get some sort > of exact distance nailed down, we will be able to tell some of these > site stewards to go jump in a lake. Right now they are just doing their > volunteer job and keeping people from going near their sites... but > without a definition of "near" > > Brian Cluff > Team Snaptek > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 5 23:13:13 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 16:13:13 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] "Left to Ruin on Rye" is an excellent cache; should remain active In-Reply-To: <002b01c2e366$0ad38980$5c30b83f@fishkiller> References: <20030305200424.95922.qmail@web21107.mail.yahoo.com> <3E66649F.6040807@snaptek.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030305160547.02c56ba0@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 03:24 PM 3/5/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Right now they are just doing their volunteer job and keeping people from >going near their sites... > >THEIR job to keep people from THEIR sites that people have a right to go to >anyway??? I couldn't agree more. The excuse that they are just doing their jobs has been used way too many times in history. It is almost as dangerous as the excuse of "I was just following my orders." So many of these volunteers, and non-volunteers for that matter believe that the land they watch and manage belong to them, and without them the land will somehow disappear from the face of the planet. At some point one of two things are going to have to happen, either enough people will get fed up enough and just won't take this crap any longer, or they will tighten the clamp even further that what little is left of OUR public lands that we now enjoy will also be made off limits, and we will have nothing. Many people think that there is some happy middle ground for this, but there isn't. The enviro-nuts honestly believe that if even one of us is allowed to walk on the soil, it will be ruined forever. We know better, but we will never change their minds. I grew up with the national forests as my backyard, literally, and have seen the changes with the Forest Service. I have also visited many of the areas managed by the NPS and have also seen the changes there. The sad fact is that they simply don't want us there. The fact also remains that the quote on the posters we made to protest the entry fee to the Mt. Lemmon area is a real quote from the guy who was the #1 guy at the Forest Service at the time, "The only thing wrong with public land is that the public wants to use it." In liberty, Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 5 23:58:59 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 16:58:59 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] "Left to Ruin on Rye" is an excellent cache; should remain active In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030305160547.02c56ba0@mail.myblueheaven.com> References: <20030305200424.95922.qmail@web21107.mail.yahoo.com> <3E66649F.6040807@snaptek.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20030305160547.02c56ba0@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: <3E668F43.9090203@snaptek.com> Scott Wood wrote: > I couldn't agree more. The excuse that they are just doing their jobs > has been used way too many times in history. It is almost as dangerous > as the excuse of "I was just following my orders." I didn't mean to say they were right in having caches archived that were "near" their sites. Just that without a clearly defined mission, some people will go to the extreme to make sure that they have the appearance of fulfilling their duties... I guess it just never occurs to people that when people say jump... to ask how high (or which direction for that matter). Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Mar 6 01:14:42 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 18:14:42 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] "Left to Ruin on Rye" is an excellent cache; should remain active In-Reply-To: <3E668F43.9090203@snaptek.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030305160547.02c56ba0@mail.myblueheaven.com> <20030305200424.95922.qmail@web21107.mail.yahoo.com> <3E66649F.6040807@snaptek.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20030305160547.02c56ba0@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030305181333.025f7b08@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 04:58 PM 3/5/2003 -0700, you wrote: >I didn't mean to say they were right in having caches archived that were >"near" their sites. Just that without a clearly defined mission, some >people will go to the extreme to make sure that they have the >appearance of fulfilling their duties... I guess it just never occurs to >people that when people say jump... to ask how high (or which direction >for that matter). I sort of thought that was what you meant. Given the nature of this 2D medium that we communicate in, it doesn't always come across the way intended. A perfect example of that is some of the posts over at the geocaching.com forums about this very topic. In liberty, Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Mar 6 01:35:03 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bill Burkett) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 18:35:03 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Is Shelly at it a again or what????? In-Reply-To: <003f01c2dace$880c2290$91f50244@cx301817d> Message-ID: So, what ever happened with this? -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Ken Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 5:00 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Is Shelly at it a again or what????? O.K. I wanted to let the people here know that I have made contact with the person who made the complaint and we have agreed to discuss this sometime next week. The subject is not Shelly. I appreciate all of the support and will keep you updated on what happens. Ken WhereRWee? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chelby Geiss" To: Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Is Shelly at it a again or what????? > OK, IMO it is the wrong this to do to boycott the DVRAC until we know > the whole story. I am not convinced that this letter to geocaching.com > is truly from the "higher ups." I can't imagine that any of our local > struggling museums would bash something so severely that brings in > support! I know from working with people at the Pueblo Grande Museum > that they greatly appreciate the traffic from the virtual cache placed > there by Libby. May I suggest that when you do go to one of these > museum virtuals, sign the guest book and if there is a "How did you > hear about us?" make sure you put www.geocaching.com! They actually > read those!!! > > I have emailed Kristy, my friend at the Pueblo Grande (who is an > archeologist and has absolutely nothing against geocaching), to see if > she knows any of the people at DVRAC (she's involved with a lot of the > city wide museum meetings and such, so hopefully she does). I'm still > waiting to hear back from her. > > And just like with the recent issues with Mesa Ranger District, PLEASE > remember that if you do contact DVRAC, remember to be level headed and > EDUCATION, EDUCATION, EDUCATION! > > > Team desertSol > Chelby & Kevin > + > Kiva and Lancer (German Shepherds) > Apache Junction, AZ > www.desertsol.com/~chelby/geocaching > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Mar 6 02:25:26 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 19:25:26 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Is Shelly at it a again or what????? References: Message-ID: <000d01c2e387$a65c1d60$91f50244@cx301817d> Had some family issues last week and did not have the time. I am hoping to meet this weekend. Ken WhereRWee? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Burkett" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 6:35 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Is Shelly at it a again or what????? > So, what ever happened with this? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Ken > Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 5:00 PM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Is Shelly at it a again or what????? > > O.K. I wanted to let the people here know that I have made contact with the > person who made the complaint and we have agreed to discuss this sometime > next week. The subject is not Shelly. I appreciate all of the support and > will keep you updated on what happens. > > > Ken > WhereRWee? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chelby Geiss" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 8:38 AM > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Is Shelly at it a again or what????? > > > > OK, IMO it is the wrong this to do to boycott the DVRAC until we know > > the whole story. I am not convinced that this letter to geocaching.com > > is truly from the "higher ups." I can't imagine that any of our local > > struggling museums would bash something so severely that brings in > > support! I know from working with people at the Pueblo Grande Museum > > that they greatly appreciate the traffic from the virtual cache placed > > there by Libby. May I suggest that when you do go to one of these > > museum virtuals, sign the guest book and if there is a "How did you > > hear about us?" make sure you put www.geocaching.com! They actually > > read those!!! > > > > I have emailed Kristy, my friend at the Pueblo Grande (who is an > > archeologist and has absolutely nothing against geocaching), to see if > > she knows any of the people at DVRAC (she's involved with a lot of the > > city wide museum meetings and such, so hopefully she does). I'm still > > waiting to hear back from her. > > > > And just like with the recent issues with Mesa Ranger District, PLEASE > > remember that if you do contact DVRAC, remember to be level headed and > > EDUCATION, EDUCATION, EDUCATION! > > > > > > Team desertSol > > Chelby & Kevin > > + > > Kiva and Lancer (German Shepherds) > > Apache Junction, AZ > > www.desertsol.com/~chelby/geocaching > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Mar 6 02:31:59 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bill Burkett) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 19:31:59 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Is Shelly at it a again or what????? In-Reply-To: <000d01c2e387$a65c1d60$91f50244@cx301817d> Message-ID: Thanks, Ken! -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Ken Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 7:25 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Is Shelly at it a again or what????? Had some family issues last week and did not have the time. I am hoping to meet this weekend. Ken WhereRWee? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Burkett" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 6:35 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Is Shelly at it a again or what????? > So, what ever happened with this? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Ken > Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 5:00 PM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Is Shelly at it a again or what????? > > O.K. I wanted to let the people here know that I have made contact with the > person who made the complaint and we have agreed to discuss this sometime > next week. The subject is not Shelly. I appreciate all of the support and > will keep you updated on what happens. > > > Ken > WhereRWee? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chelby Geiss" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 8:38 AM > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Is Shelly at it a again or what????? > > > > OK, IMO it is the wrong this to do to boycott the DVRAC until we know > > the whole story. I am not convinced that this letter to geocaching.com > > is truly from the "higher ups." I can't imagine that any of our local > > struggling museums would bash something so severely that brings in > > support! I know from working with people at the Pueblo Grande Museum > > that they greatly appreciate the traffic from the virtual cache placed > > there by Libby. May I suggest that when you do go to one of these > > museum virtuals, sign the guest book and if there is a "How did you > > hear about us?" make sure you put www.geocaching.com! They actually > > read those!!! > > > > I have emailed Kristy, my friend at the Pueblo Grande (who is an > > archeologist and has absolutely nothing against geocaching), to see if > > she knows any of the people at DVRAC (she's involved with a lot of the > > city wide museum meetings and such, so hopefully she does). I'm still > > waiting to hear back from her. > > > > And just like with the recent issues with Mesa Ranger District, PLEASE > > remember that if you do contact DVRAC, remember to be level headed and > > EDUCATION, EDUCATION, EDUCATION! > > > > > > Team desertSol > > Chelby & Kevin > > + > > Kiva and Lancer (German Shepherds) > > Apache Junction, AZ > > www.desertsol.com/~chelby/geocaching > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Mar 6 14:48:37 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 07:48:37 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] a almost congratulations 6 Hundred 4 RTW Message-ID: <002501c2e3ef$7922ae00$bd21b83f@fishkiller> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C2E3B4.CBD8D9C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OOHH I get to be the first to congratulate Team RopingTheWind on 600 = found caches, I know over the past few months Scott hereafter called MB = short for Monkey Boy, and I say that with all seriousness and honesty it was two months ago that I almost thought that Scott was a mountain = goat, (I mean just go and find the Teams ONLY CACHE), as we were out at = South Mountain now as time has past and he blew through the 500 mark and = makes a run at number #1 he will be a Monkey Boy as I have seen very = little slow and deter That member of RTW.. just 800 more to go today!!!! 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OOHH I get to be the first to = congratulate Team=20 RopingTheWind on 600 found caches, I know over the past few months Scott = hereafter called MB short for Monkey Boy, and I say that with all = seriousness=20 and honesty
 
it was two months ago that I almost = thought that=20 Scott was a mountain goat, (I mean just go and find the Teams ONLY = CACHE), as we=20 were out at South Mountain now as time has past and he blew through the = 500 mark=20 and makes a run at number #1 he will be a Monkey Boy as I have = seen  very=20 little slow and deter That member of RTW..
 
just 800 more to go = today!!!!
 
 
Team Evil = Fish
------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C2E3B4.CBD8D9C0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Mar 6 19:50:55 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bill Tomlinson) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 12:50:55 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] a almost congratulations 6 Hundred 4 RTW In-Reply-To: <002501c2e3ef$7922ae00$bd21b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: <009a01c2e419$b3c3bca0$697ba8c0@sbjr.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009B_01C2E3DF.07666B40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Congrats, Scott. That's a lot of caches. And to think, I met you on the day you hit it! BTW, I have a son named Monkey Boy. He is also a great geocacher. CacheLess -----Original Message----- From: Regan Smith OOHH I get to be the first to congratulate Team RopingTheWind on 600 found caches, I know over the past few months Scott hereafter called MB short for Monkey Boy, and I say that with all seriousness and honesty Team Evil Fish ------=_NextPart_000_009B_01C2E3DF.07666B40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Congrats, Scott.  That's a lot of = caches. =20 And to think, I met you on the day you hit it!
 
BTW, I=20 have a son named Monkey Boy.  He is also a great=20 geocacher.
 
CacheLess
-----Original Message-----
From: = Regan=20 Smith

OOHH I get to be the first to = congratulate Team=20 RopingTheWind on 600 found caches, I know over the past few months = Scott=20 hereafter called MB short for Monkey Boy, and I say that with all = seriousness=20 and honesty
 
Team Evil=20 Fish
------=_NextPart_000_009B_01C2E3DF.07666B40-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Mar 6 19:57:00 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (mike and gale jett) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 19:57:00 +0000 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] "Left to Ruin on Rye" is an excellent cache; should remain active Message-ID:

Who is the liason with the site stewards? Or do we even have one? If someone wants to have a meeting with Ms. Estes I volunteer to go and lend moral support. Safety in numbers. As a former archaeologist, that might help as well.

>From: Brian Cluff
>Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
>To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
>Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] "Left to Ruin on Rye" is an excellent cache; should remain active
>Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 13:57:03 -0700
>
>ken@highpointer.com wrote:
>>In my opinion, the people with the SHPO need to realize that they
>>do not own public land. We all own the public lands. This appears
>>to me to be an excellent example of people being granted a little
>>bit of power and authority, and then using their power and
>>authority to harass people and make arbitrary decisions.
>
>I think we need to talk to the head of the site stewards (Ms.
>Estes?) and see how far away from an arch site they want people.
>I know the site stewards would like the range in miles, but I'm
>willing to bet that it will be much smaller than that. If we can
>get some sort of exact distance nailed down, we will be able to tell
>some of these site stewards to go jump in a lake. Right now they
>are just doing their volunteer job and keeping people from going
>near their sites... but without a definition of "near"
>
>Brian Cluff
>Team Snaptek
>
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Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Mar 6 20:53:59 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RAND HARDIN) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 13:53:59 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] a almost congratulations 6 Hundred 4 RTW Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C2E3E7.D65D8980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I too want to congratulate Scott, with "Team Roping The Wind" on his reac= hing the 600 mark. (Watch out C.H.U.M.P.!) RandMan ----- Original Message ----- From: Regan Smith Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 7:51 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] a almost congratulations 6 Hundred 4 RTW OOHH I get to be the first to congratulate Team RopingTheWind on 600 foun= d caches, I know over the past few months Scott hereafter called MB short= for Monkey Boy, and I say that with all seriousness and honesty . . . . = Team Evil Fish ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C2E3E7.D65D8980 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I too want to congratulate Scott, with "T= eam Roping The Wind" on his reaching the 600 mark.  (Watch out C.H.U= .M.P.!)
 
RandMan
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Regan Smith
<= DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial">Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 7:51= AM
To: listserv@azgeocachin= g.com
Subject: [Az-Geocachin= g] a almost congratulations 6 Hundred 4 RTW
 
OOHH I get to be the first to congratulate = Team RopingTheWind on 600 found caches, I know over the past few months S= cott hereafter called MB short for Monkey Boy, and I say that with all se= riousness and honesty . . . . Team Evi= l Fish ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C2E3E7.D65D8980-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Mar 7 01:16:41 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (WOLFB8) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 18:16:41 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] "Left to Ruin on Rye" is an excellent cache; should remain active References: Message-ID: <006101c2e447$a33d26e0$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C2E40C.89A7A100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable well I guess this is me ... I will be meeting with Tim this weekend....=20 We will be known by the tracks we leave behind ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mike and gale jett=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] "Left to Ruin on Rye" is an excellent = cache; should remain active Who is the liason with the site stewards? Or do we even have one? If = someone wants to have a meeting with Ms. Estes I volunteer to go and = lend moral support. Safety in numbers. As a former archaeologist, that = might help as well. >From: Brian Cluff=20 >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 >To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 >Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] "Left to Ruin on Rye" is an excellent = cache; should remain active=20 >Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 13:57:03 -0700=20 >=20 >ken@highpointer.com wrote:=20 >>In my opinion, the people with the SHPO need to realize that they=20 >>do not own public land. We all own the public lands. This appears=20 >>to me to be an excellent example of people being granted a little=20 >>bit of power and authority, and then using their power and=20 >>authority to harass people and make arbitrary decisions.=20 >=20 >I think we need to talk to the head of the site stewards (Ms.=20 >Estes?) and see how far away from an arch site they want people.=20 >I know the site stewards would like the range in miles, but I'm=20 >willing to bet that it will be much smaller than that. If we can=20 >get some sort of exact distance nailed down, we will be able to tell=20 >some of these site stewards to go jump in a lake. Right now they=20 >are just doing their volunteer job and keeping people from going=20 >near their sites... but without a definition of "near"=20 >=20 >Brian Cluff=20 >Team Snaptek=20 >=20 >____________________________________________________________=20 >Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 >To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit:=20 >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching=20 >=20 >Arizona's Geocaching Resource=20 >http://www.azgeocaching.com=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. = ____________________________________________________________ = Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your = setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: = http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching = Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C2E40C.89A7A100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
well I guess this is me ... I will be meeting with = Tim this=20 weekend....
 
 
 
We will be known by the tracks we leave behind
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mike and gale jett =
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 = 12:57=20 PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = "Left to=20 Ruin on Rye" is an excellent cache; should remain active

Who is the liason with the site stewards? Or do we even have one? = If=20 someone wants to have a meeting with Ms. Estes I volunteer to go and = lend=20 moral support. Safety in numbers. As a former archaeologist, that = might help=20 as well.

>From: Brian Cluff
>Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
>To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
>Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] "Left to Ruin on Rye" is = an=20 excellent cache; should remain active=20
>Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 13:57:03 -0700=20
>=20
>ken@highpointer.com wrote:=20
>>In my opinion, the people with the SHPO need to = realize=20 that they=20
>>do not own public land. We all own the public = lands. This=20 appears=20
>>to me to be an excellent example of people being = granted a=20 little=20
>>bit of power and authority, and then using their = power and=20
>>authority to harass people and make arbitrary = decisions.=20
>=20
>I think we need to talk to the head of the site = stewards (Ms.=20
>Estes?) and see how far away from an arch site they = want=20 people.=20
>I know the site stewards would like the range in miles, = but I'm=20
>willing to bet that it will be much smaller than that. = If we=20 can=20
>get some sort of exact distance nailed down, we will be = able to=20 tell=20
>some of these site stewards to go jump in a lake. Right = now=20 they=20
>are just doing their volunteer job and keeping people = from=20 going=20
>near their sites... but without a definition of "near"=20
>=20
>Brian Cluff=20
>Team Snaptek=20
>=20 =
>__________________________________________________________= __=20
>Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit:=20 =
>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geoca= ching=20
>=20
>Arizona's Geocaching Resource=20
>http://www.azgeocaching.com=20

Add photos to your e-mail with MSN=20 8. Get 2 months FREE*.=20 ____________________________________________________________ = Az-Geocaching=20 mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe = or=20 unsubscribe visit:=20 http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching = Arizona's=20 Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com = ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C2E40C.89A7A100-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Mar 7 04:33:02 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 21:33:02 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Site Stewards and SHPO Message-ID: <000501c2e462$a4b77690$c069dd18@OUR> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C2E427.F8589E90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I received a phone call a few minutes ago from Mary Estes, who is the Resource Protection Specialist for the State Historic Preservation Office (SHPO) of Arizona State Parks. She has the overall responsibility for all the Site Stewards in Arizona. We spoke at length about some of the recent issues that have surfaced, including the Deer Valley Rock Art Center (DVRAC) virtual cache, and the Goat Camp Cache http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=648). I tried to express, and I believe Mary understands, my concerns about both of these situations. I believe I also understand her concerns. On DVRAC, I can assure you that Mary understands the difference between a virtual and a physical cache. But Mary came away from the first land managers' meeting last September with the understanding that the land managers wanted cachers to obtain permission for placing ALL caches, physical or virtual. I do not recall that explicitly being stated at that meeting. At the same time, being a cacher, I would probably have interpreted the phrase "all caches" to mean "all physical caches", but non-cachers could understandably fail to make that distinction. At the second land managers' meeting in January, we all agreed to hold another meeting in September of this year, although we will not start planning that meeting until June. I told Mary that I intend to make the topic of virtual caches an agenda item at that time. I think that if we have the opportunity to explain virtual caches to that audience, we will be able to exempt them from any permission requirements, as long as the virtual locations don't threaten archaeological sites. Moving on to Goat Camp, I pointed out that not a single land management agency has yet to post any set of rules for caching or cache placement on the Web, in spite of requests that they do so. During the conversation, I came to the conclusion that there had been a different kind of miscommunication. I believe Mary was under the impression that we were going to post the rules somewhere, or that the agencies would get them posted either on geocaching.com or azgeocaching. com. As a result of this phone call, she sees the need for the land management agencies to post the rules on their respective web sites. She offered to contact all the land managers herself and repeat this request, and explain to them why it was necessary for it to be on their sites. I in turn agreed to be a collection point for the land managers. When they have posted their rules, they will email me the links to their rules pages. Once I have a good number of them, I'll forward them on to Brian and Jason at azgeocaching.com, and I assume and hope they will be able to set up a links section for this on the azgeocaching.com site. It will then be up to all of us to spread the word about that central source. Yes, there are Site Stewards within SHPO who seem as though they will not be satisfied until all Geocaching is eradicated. But we also know there are Site Stewards who are Geocachers themselves. I do believe that as long as we keep working with SHPO and the land managers we will be able to develop ways to continue caching on our public lands without jeopardizing our historical heritage. Steve Team Tierra Buena ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C2E427.F8589E90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
I = received a phone=20 call a few minutes ago from Mary Estes, who is the Resource = Protection=20 Specialist for the State Historic Preservation Office (SHPO) of = Arizona=20 State Parks. She has the overall responsibility for all the Site = Stewards in=20 Arizona.
 
We = spoke at length=20 about some of the recent issues that have surfaced, including the Deer = Valley=20 Rock Art Center (DVRAC) virtual cache, and the Goat Camp Cache http:= //www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=3D648).=20 I tried to express, and I believe Mary understands, my concerns about = both of=20 these situations. I believe I also understand her concerns. =
 
On = DVRAC, I can=20 assure you that Mary understands the difference between a virtual and a = physical=20 cache. But Mary came away from the first land managers' meeting last = September=20 with the understanding that the land managers wanted cachers to obtain=20 permission for placing ALL caches, physical or virtual. I do not recall = that=20 explicitly being stated at that meeting. At the same time, being a = cacher, I=20 would probably have interpreted the phrase "all caches" to mean "all = physical=20 caches", but non-cachers could understandably fail to make that=20 distinction.
 
At the = second land=20 managers' meeting in January, we all agreed to hold another meeting = in=20 September of this year, although we will not start planning that meeting = until=20 June. I told Mary that I intend to make the topic of virtual caches an = agenda=20 item at that time. I think that if we have the opportunity to = explain=20 virtual caches to that audience, we will be able to exempt them from any = permission requirements, as long as the virtual locations don't threaten = archaeological sites.
 
Moving = on to Goat=20 Camp, I pointed out that not a single land management agency has yet to = post any=20 set of rules for caching or cache placement on the Web, in spite of = requests=20 that they do so. During the conversation, I came to the conclusion=20 that there had been a different kind of miscommunication. I believe = Mary=20 was under the impression that we were going to post the rules somewhere, = or that=20 the agencies would get them posted either on geocaching.com or = azgeocaching.=20 com. As a result of this phone call, she sees the need for the land = management=20 agencies to post the rules on their respective web sites. She offered to = contact=20 all the land managers herself and repeat this request, and explain to = them why=20 it was necessary for it to be on their sites. I in turn agreed = to be a=20 collection point for the land managers. When they have posted their = rules, they=20 will email me the links to their rules pages. Once I have a good number = of them,=20 I'll forward them on to Brian and Jason at azgeocaching.com, and I = assume and=20 hope they will be able to set up a links section for this on the=20 azgeocaching.com site. It will then be up to all of us to = spread the=20 word about that central source.
 
Yes, = there are=20 Site Stewards within SHPO who seem as though they will not be = satisfied=20 until all Geocaching is eradicated. But we also know there are Site = Stewards who=20 are Geocachers themselves.  I do believe that as long as we keep = working=20 with SHPO and the land managers we will be able to develop ways to = continue=20 caching on our public lands without jeopardizing our historical=20 heritage.
 
Steve
Team = Tierra=20 Buena
------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C2E427.F8589E90-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Mar 7 19:13:26 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 11:13:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Surgery Update Message-ID: <20030307111326.6740.h010.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Hi all, A short note to let you all know that the surgery went well and I am home and coping OK as long as I take the pain meds and don't plan on eating for a couple weeks (at least nothing more solid than yogurt) :-) I am minus my tonsils, uvula, part of my soft palate and back of tongue, but amazingly I can talk without too much trouble. It is swallowing that is really difficult, but I knew going into this that the recovery would take a couple weeks, so I am prepared. Thanks to those who have been praying and have expressed support, I really appreciate it from the "extended az geocaching family" ! Trisha "Lightning" Prescott ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Although no one can go back and make a brand new start, Anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Mar 7 23:46:10 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 16:46:10 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Surgery Update In-Reply-To: <20030307111326.6740.h010.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: <001b01c2e503$baedbb80$1e01a8c0@connie> Wow Trisha, that's a lot to take out, will your speech be effected by all this after you're healed? The mouth is very quick to heal so that should be something to look forward to. Glad to hear you're okay. Just take care of yourself and do what the doctor tells you to do. (Nurses make the worse patients.) ;) --Connie Team "Wyle E" From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Mar 8 05:07:04 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 22:07:04 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Breakfast cache updated Message-ID: <001a01c2e530$90555ea0$4e49b83f@fishkiller> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C2E4F5.E2E9F8A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable just thought anyone who hasn't gone to sleep yet or who checks this = prior to leaving in the morning the cache should be at the new = coordinates even if we are half asleep once we get there and place = it....the posted coords on the older version were off by 13 feet!!! went = and ate the fish dinner and doubled checked everything... ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C2E4F5.E2E9F8A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
just thought anyone who hasn't gone to = sleep yet or=20 who checks this prior to leaving in the morning the cache should be at = the new=20 coordinates even if we are half asleep once we get there and place = it....the=20 posted coords on the older version were off by 13 feet!!! went and ate = the fish=20 dinner and doubled checked everything...
------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C2E4F5.E2E9F8A0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Mar 8 05:53:39 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RAND HARDIN) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 22:53:39 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Surgery Update Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C2E4FC.64A19DC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Trisha, Glad to hear that the surgery went well. Take care of yourself, follow t= he doctors orders and don't try to talk too soon . . . just let your fing= ers do your talking and be sure to keep us updated on your recovery. Rand ----- Original Message ----- From: trisha@brasher.com Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 12:21 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Surgery Update Hi all, A short note to let you all know that the surgery went well and I am home and coping OK as long as I take the pain meds and don't plan on eating for a couple weeks (at least nothing more solid than yogurt) :-) I am minus my tonsils, uvula, part of my soft palate and back of tongue, but amazingly I can talk without too much trouble. It is swallowing that is really difficult, but I knew going into this that the recovery would take a couple weeks, so I am prepared. Thanks to those who have been praying and have expressed support, I really appreciate it from the "extended az geocaching family" ! Trisha "Lightning" Prescott ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Although no one can go back and make a brand new start, Anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C2E4FC.64A19DC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Trisha,
=
 
Glad to hear that the surgery went well.  Tak= e care of yourself, follow the doctors orders and don't try to talk too s= oon . . . just let your fingers do your talking and be sure to keep us up= dated on your recovery.
 
Rand
&nbs= p;
----- Original Message -----
From: trisha= @brasher.com
Sent: Friday, M= arch 07, 2003 12:21 PM
To: l= istserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject= : [Az-Geocaching] Surgery Update
 
Hi all,
A = short note to let you all know that the surgery went well and I am
hom= e and coping OK as long as I take the pain meds and don't plan on
eati= ng for a couple weeks (at least nothing more solid than yogurt)
:-)I am minus my tonsils, uvula, part of my soft palate and back of
tong= ue, but amazingly I can talk without too much trouble. It is
swallowin= g that is really difficult, but I knew going into this that
the recove= ry would take a couple weeks, so I am prepared.
Thanks to those who ha= ve been praying and have expressed support, I
really appreciate it fro= m the "extended az geocaching family" !
Trisha "Lightning"
Prescott=


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Although no one can go b= ack and
make a brand new start,
Anyone can start from now and
ma= ke a brand new ending."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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To edit your setting, subscribe or u= nsubscribe visit:
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------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C2E4FC.64A19DC0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Mar 8 05:52:41 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ben Dilcher) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 22:52:41 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Fw: [az_vjc] "Charlie Daniels' Open Letter to the Hollywood Bunch" Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray B." Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 8:19 PM Subject: [az_vjc] "Charlie Daniels' Open Letter to the Hollywood Bunch" > > OK -- Let's just say for a moment you bunch of > pampered, overpaid, unrealistic children had your way and the U.S.A. > didn't go into Iraq. > > Let's say that you really get your way and we destroy all our nuclear > weapons and stick daisies in our gun barrels and sit around with some > white wine and cheese and pat ourselves on the back, so proud of what > we've done for world peace. > > Let's say that we cut the military budget to just enough to keep the > National Guard on hand to help out with floods and fires. > > Let's say that we close down our military bases all over the world and > bring the troops home, increase our foreign aid and drop all the trade > sanctions against everybody. > > I suppose that in your fantasy world this would create a utopian world > where everybody would live in peace. > After all, the great monster, the United States of America, the cause of > all the world's trouble would have disbanded it's horrible military and > certainly all the other countries of the world would follow suit. > > After all, they only arm themselves to defend their countries from the > mean old U.S.A. > > Why you bunch of pitiful, hypocritical, idiotic, spoiled mugwumps. Get > your head out of the sand and smell the Trade Towers burning. > > Do you think that a trip to Iraq by Sean Penn did anything but encourage > a wanton murderer to think that the people of the U.S.A. didn't have the > nerve or the guts to fight him? > > Barbra Streisand's fanatical and hateful rankings about George Bush > makes about as much sense as Michael Jackson hanging a baby over a railing. > > You people need to get out of Hollywood once in a while and get out into > the real world. You'd be surprised at the hostility you would find out > there. > > Stop in at a truck stop and tell an overworked, long distance truck > driver that you don't think Saddam Hussein is doing anything wrong. > > Tell a farmer with a couple of sons in the military > that you think the United States has no right to defend itself. > > Go down to Baxley, Georgia and hold an anti-war rally > and see what the folks down there think about you. > You people are some of the most disgusting examples > of a waste of protoplasm I've ever had the displeasure to hear about. > > Sean Penn, you're a traitor to the United States of America. You gave > aid and comfort to the enemy. > How many American lives will your little, "fact finding trip" to Iraq cost? > > You encouraged Saddam to think that we didn't have the stomach for war. > > You people protect one of the most evil men on the face of this earth > and won't lift a finger to save the life of an unborn baby. > > Freedom of choice you say? > > Well I'm going to exercise some freedom of choice of my own. > > If I see any of your names on a marquee, I'm going to boycott the movie. > I will completely stop going to movies if I have to. In most cases it > certainly wouldn't be much of a loss. > > You scoff at our military whose boots you're not even worthy to shine. > > They go to battle and risk their lives so ingrates like you can live in > luxury. > > The day of reckoning is coming when you will be faced with the > undeniable truth that the war against Saddam Hussein is the war on > terrorism. > > America is in imminent danger. > You're either for her or against her. > There is no middle ground. (Mugwump) > I think we all know where you stand. > > What do you think? > > God Bless America! > Charlie Daniels > Copyright Š 2003 Charlie Daniels > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Mar 8 20:39:50 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 15:39:50 EST Subject: [Az-Geocaching] I'm moving Message-ID: --part1_f4.2a19b1c4.2b9baf16_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Team Evil Fish, you are now the proud owner of Let''s Go Fishing and Usery Pass Cache. Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking, you are now the proud owner of Old West Cache. Thanks a bunch! Jessica --part1_f4.2a19b1c4.2b9baf16_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Team Evil Fish, you are now the=20= proud owner of Let''s Go Fishing and Usery Pass Cache.  Tsegi Mike and=20= Desert Viking, you are now the proud owner of  Old West Cache.  Th= anks a bunch!

Jessica --part1_f4.2a19b1c4.2b9baf16_boundary-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Mar 8 21:15:45 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RAND HARDIN) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 14:15:45 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] "Breakfast Cache #1" event Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C2E57D.359AB800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I want to thank Regan, with "Team Evil Fish" for putting on a fantastic "= Breakfast Cache #1" event this morning. (Waypoint: GCD60F)http://www.geoc= aching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=3D54799 =20 It was great meeting up with many familiar cachers that I had previously = met - and meeting new faces that I now can relate to names. It was a great turnout! I enjoyed a good breakfast, visiting and trading= TBs. Rand (RandMan) =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C2E57D.359AB800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I want to than= k Regan, with "Team Evil Fish" for putting on a fantastic "Breakfast Cach= e #1" event this morning. (Waypoint: GCD60F)http://www.geocaching.com/see= k/cache_details.aspx?ID=3D54799
 
It was grea= t meeting up with many familiar cachers that I had previously met - = and meeting new faces that I now can relate to names.
 
It was a great turnout!  I enjoyed a good breakfast, visit= ing and trading TBs.
 
Rand (RandMan) 
------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C2E57D.359AB800-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Mar 8 22:54:10 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Cache Inquiries) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2003 14:54:10 -0800 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] [#12624] Re: Site Stewards and SHPO In-Reply-To: <000501c2e462$a4b77690$c069dd18@OUR> Message-ID: <#3150.e5f40f2d.3e6a7492.2@groundspeak.trakken.com> Dear Team Tierra Buena (Steve), Thank you for taking the time to put all of this in writing. It seems clear to us that both Arizona Geocachers and the entire Geocaching community owe you a debt of gratitude for your ongoing Geo-advocacy. Your interpretation of the distinction between virtual and physical caches certainly makes sense to us. We truly hope that you are able to effectively convey this message and level of understanding to those in Arizona and elsewhere who need to understand. Hopefully, all parties can agree on a set of rules/guidelines that takes this distinction into consideration while maintaining appropriate protections for our environment and archaeological treasures. With such an environmentally conscious geocaching community, maintaining these protections is not such a difficult task. Additionally, maintaining one consolidated focal point for rules regarding Arizona geocaches will definitely serve both the community and the land managers. At the very least, it will make eradication of all geocaches by certain stewards a lot more difficult to justify (hopefully impossible). May your advocacy efforts have the precise effect that they merit. Please do not hesitate to contact us if there is anything that we can do to assist you. Additionally, please keep us posted on ongoing developments. Your successful actions may eventually become a plan of action for other geocachers in other states who are in similar situations. One (not so) small step for AZ Geocachers, one giant leap for Geocaching kind. :) Happy Geocaching! Sincerely, Bryan Roth Groundspeak, Inc. P 206.302.7721 x103 F 206.374.8161 bryan@groundspeak.com Original Message Follows: ------------------------ From: "Team Tierra Buena" Subject: Site Stewards and SHPO Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 21:33:02 -0700 I received a phone call a few minutes ago from Mary Estes, who is the Resource Protection Specialist for the State Historic Preservation Office (SHPO) of Arizona State Parks. She has the overall responsibility for all the Site Stewards in Arizona. We spoke at length about some of the recent issues that have surfaced, including the Deer Valley Rock Art Center (DVRAC) virtual cache, and the Goat Camp Cache http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=648). I tried to express, and I believe Mary understands, my concerns about both of these situations. I believe I also understand her concerns. On DVRAC, I can assure you that Mary understands the difference between a virtual and a physical cache. But Mary came away from the first land managers' meeting last September with the understanding that the land managers wanted cachers to obtain permission for placing ALL caches, physical or virtual. I do not recall that explicitly being stated at that meeting. At the same time, being a cacher, I would probably have interpreted the phrase "all caches" to mean "all physical caches", but non-cachers could understandably fail to make that distinction. At the second land managers' meeting in January, we all agreed to hold another meeting in September of this year, although we will not start planning that meeting until June. I told Mary that I intend to make the topic of virtual caches an agenda item at that time. I think that if we have the opportunity to explain virtual caches to that audience, we will be able to exempt them from any permission requirements, as long as the virtual locations don't threaten archaeological sites. Moving on to Goat Camp, I pointed out that not a single land management agency has yet to post any set of rules for caching or cache placement on the Web, in spite of requests that they do so. During the conversation, I came to the conclusion that there had been a different kind of miscommunication. I believe Mary was under the impression that we were going to post the rules somewhere, or that the agencies would get them posted either on geocaching.com or azgeocaching. com. As a result of this phone call, she sees the need for the land management agencies to post the rules on their respective web sites. She offered to contact all the land managers herself and repeat this request, and explain to them why it was necessary for it to be on their sites. I in turn agreed to be a collection point for the land managers. When they have posted their rules, they will email me the links to their rules pages. Once I have a good number of them, I'll forward them on to Brian and Jason at azgeocaching.com, and I assume and hope they will be able to set up a links section for this on the azgeocaching.com site. It will then be up to all of us to spread the word about that central source. Yes, there are Site Stewards within SHPO who seem as though they will not be satisfied until all Geocaching is eradicated. But we also know there are Site Stewards who are Geocachers themselves. I do believe that as long as we keep working with SHPO and the land managers we will be able to develop ways to continue caching on our public lands without jeopardizing our historical heritage. Steve Team Tierra Buena From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Mar 9 18:56:16 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 13:56:16 EST Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Personals Message-ID: <91.2b74f070.2b9ce850@aol.com> --part1_91.2b74f070.2b9ce850_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DESPERATLY SEEKING NEW OWNERS Our mom is moving to Florida and is deserting us. Will someone adopt us? We're pretty easy to take care of, don't require any food or water, just an occassional quick maintainance. Since we're not related, we don't mind going to different owners - heck we've never even met eachother! Available caches for adoption are: Childs Play (regular) Ouch!! (regular) Lonely Manzanita (regular) Shock Johnson (micro) Varnum Rocks (micro) Put That In Your Pipe (regular) Got MIlk? (micro) A Break In Education (micro) --part1_91.2b74f070.2b9ce850_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
DESPERATLY SEEKING NEW OWNERS

Our mom is moving to Florida and is deserting us.  Will someone ado= pt us?  We're pretty easy to take care of, don't require any food or wa= ter, just an occassional quick maintainance.  Since we're not related,=20= we don't mind going to different owners - heck we've never even met eachothe= r!

Available caches for adoption are:
Childs Play  (regular)
Ouch!!  (regular)
Lonely Manzanita  (regular)
Shock Johnson  (micro)
Varnum Rocks  (micro)
Put That In Your Pipe  (regular)
Got MIlk?  (micro)
A Break In Education  (micro)

 --part1_91.2b74f070.2b9ce850_boundary-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Mar 9 19:57:53 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Pat Thompson) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 12:57:53 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re:DVRAC VIRTUAL CACHE Message-ID: <3E6B9CC1.1070704@cox.net> Has this virtual cache (Deer Valley Rock Art Center) been archived? We cannot find the virtual cache page on any of the geocaching internet sites. Thanks for any help that you are able to provide in answering this question. Team Seeking Pat & Jan Thompson From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Mar 9 20:09:29 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 13:09:29 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] "Breakfast Cache #1" event References: Message-ID: <001c01c2e677$cbfac060$b220b83f@fishkiller> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C2E63D.1E87B940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I want to Thank all those that attended and making this event such a = success!!!!!! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: RAND HARDIN=20 To: AZ-Geocaching=20 Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 2:15 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] "Breakfast Cache #1" event I want to thank Regan, with "Team Evil Fish" for putting on a = fantastic "Breakfast Cache #1" event this morning. (Waypoint: = GCD60F)http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=3D54799=20 It was great meeting up with many familiar cachers that I had = previously met - and meeting new faces that I now can relate to names. It was a great turnout! I enjoyed a good breakfast, visiting and = trading TBs. Rand (RandMan)=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C2E63D.1E87B940 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I want to Thank all those that attended and = making this=20 event such a success!!!!!!
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 RAND = HARDIN
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 = 2:15=20 PM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] = "Breakfast Cache=20 #1" event

I want to thank Regan, with "Team Evil Fish" for putting on a = fantastic=20 "Breakfast Cache #1" event this morning. (Waypoint:=20 GCD60F)http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=3D54799 =
 
It was great meeting up with many familiar cachers that I = had=20 previously met - and meeting new faces that I now can relate to = names.
 
It was a great turnout!  I enjoyed a good breakfast, = visiting and=20 trading TBs.
 
Rand (RandMan) 

------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C2E63D.1E87B940-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Mar 9 20:56:48 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 13:56:48 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Snow Goose Message-ID: <000a01c2e67e$6728f380$6401a8c0@DESKTOP> Got the following email from Seaman Sever, AKA "Frobro Goose". After reading his email I have changed his handle to "Snow Goose". I didn't want to forward the pictures (about 100k) to prevent clobbering those on narrowband connections. If you'd like to see the photos, email me direct and I will forward them to you. Goose's email address is in the header below. I'm sure like everyone else in the military, he can't possibly get enough email, so drop him a note. Steve Team Tierra Buena -----Original Message----- From: Justin Sever [mailto:justinsever@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 6:02 AM To: 'Team Tierra Buena' Subject: Frobro Goose contacting you from US Naval Submarine Base - Groton, CT Hey Steve, How are you doing? I hope all is going well in Arizona. Well, I made it through boot camp, and I'm currently in Groton, CT (Right next to New London). I'm stationed at the Submarine Base here and am one week away from graduation of BESS (Basic Enlisted Submarine School). I'm probably going to be here for quite some time. Once I graduate BESS, then I will be going to "A" school here. That is my technical school for Sonar Technision. I'm having a great time up here, but wish I could get off the base more often, and get a vehicle up here because I can't geocache very well without a car. I acutally haven't been able to do any geocaching at all since I've been up here. Not to many caches around that are close (Zip is 06349). It is quite a change out here than being in Arizona. The weather is just a slight bit colder. I got to experience the wonderful blizard that the east coast got a couple of weeks ago. That was a lot of fun. I've included some pictures of me up in the snow up here. I hope you continue to have fun caching out there in AZ! From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Mar 9 22:01:54 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 15:01:54 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Personals In-Reply-To: <91.2b74f070.2b9ce850@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030309150116.03544c88@mail.myblueheaven.com> --=====================_102465948==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:56 PM 3/9/2003 -0500, you wrote: >DESPERATLY SEEKING NEW OWNERS > >Our mom is moving to Florida and is deserting us. Will someone adopt >us? We're pretty easy to take care of, don't require any food or water, >just an occassional quick maintainance. Since we're not related, we don't >mind going to different owners - heck we've never even met eachother! I really wish I could help, as I have enjoyed a number of your caches, but maintenance from Tucson would not be very practical. Good luck and I hope that you do find homes for them. In liberty, Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com --=====================_102465948==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 01:56 PM 3/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:


DESPERATLY SEEKING NEW OWNERS

Our mom is moving to Florida and is deserting us.  Will someone adopt us?  We're pretty easy to take care of, don't require any food or water, just an occassional quick maintainance.  Since we're not related, we don't mind going to different owners - heck we've never even met eachother!

I really wish I could help, as I have enjoyed a number of your caches, but maintenance from Tucson would not be very practical.  Good luck and I hope that you do find homes for them.


In liberty,

Scott

wood@myblueheaven.com
--=====================_102465948==_.ALT-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Mar 9 23:39:53 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Coyote1022) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 16:39:53 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Snow Goose In-Reply-To: <000a01c2e67e$6728f380$6401a8c0@DESKTOP> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C2E65A.82B59AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would like to see the pictures! TeamCoyote1022@cox.net -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Team Tierra Buena Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 1:57 PM To: Arizona Geocaching Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Snow Goose Got the following email from Seaman Sever, AKA "Frobro Goose". After reading his email I have changed his handle to "Snow Goose". I didn't want to forward the pictures (about 100k) to prevent clobbering those on narrowband connections. If you'd like to see the photos, email me direct and I will forward them to you. Goose's email address is in the header below. I'm sure like everyone else in the military, he can't possibly get enough email, so drop him a note. Steve Team Tierra Buena -----Original Message----- From: Justin Sever [mailto:justinsever@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 6:02 AM To: 'Team Tierra Buena' Subject: Frobro Goose contacting you from US Naval Submarine Base - Groton, CT Hey Steve, How are you doing? I hope all is going well in Arizona. Well, I made it through boot camp, and I'm currently in Groton, CT (Right next to New London). I'm stationed at the Submarine Base here and am one week away from graduation of BESS (Basic Enlisted Submarine School). I'm probably going to be here for quite some time. Once I graduate BESS, then I will be going to "A" school here. That is my technical school for Sonar Technision. I'm having a great time up here, but wish I could get off the base more often, and get a vehicle up here because I can't geocache very well without a car. I acutally haven't been able to do any geocaching at all since I've been up here. Not to many caches around that are close (Zip is 06349). It is quite a change out here than being in Arizona. The weather is just a slight bit colder. I got to experience the wonderful blizard that the east coast got a couple of weeks ago. That was a lot of fun. I've included some pictures of me up in the snow up here. I hope you continue to have fun caching out there in AZ! ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C2E65A.82B59AA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I would like to = see the=20 pictures!
TeamCoyote1022@cox.net<= /FONT>




-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com
[mailto:az-g= eocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On=20 Behalf Of Team
Tierra Buena
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 1:57 = PM
To:=20 Arizona Geocaching
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Snow Goose


Got = the=20 following email from Seaman Sever, AKA "Frobro Goose". After
reading = his=20 email I have changed his handle to "Snow Goose".

I didn't want to = forward=20 the pictures (about 100k) to prevent clobbering
those on narrowband=20 connections. If you'd like to see the photos, email
me direct and I = will=20 forward them to you.

Goose's email address is in the header = below. I'm=20 sure like everyone
else in the military, he can't possibly get enough = email,=20 so drop him a
note.

Steve
Team Tierra = Buena

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: Justin Sever [mailto:justinsever@hotmail.com]
Sent:=20 Saturday, March 08, 2003 6:02 AM
To: 'Team Tierra Buena'
Subject: = Frobro=20 Goose contacting you from US Naval Submarine Base -
Groton, = CT


Hey=20 Steve,

How are you doing? I hope all is going well in=20 Arizona. 

Well, I made it through boot camp, and I'm = currently in=20 Groton, CT
(Right next to New London).  I'm stationed at the = Submarine=20 Base here
and am one week away from graduation of BESS (Basic = Enlisted=20 Submarine
School).   I'm probably going to be here for = quite some=20 time.   Once I
graduate BESS, then I will be going to "A" = school=20 here.   That is my
technical school for Sonar=20 Technision.   I'm having a great time up
here, but wish I = could get=20 off the base more often, and get a vehicle up
here because I can't = geocache=20 very well without a car.   I acutally
haven't been able to = do any=20 geocaching at all since I've been up here.
Not to many caches around = that are=20 close (Zip is 06349).

It is quite a change out here than being in = Arizona.   The weather is
just a slight bit = colder.   I=20 got to experience the wonderful blizard
that the east coast got a = couple of=20 weeks ago.   That was a lot of fun.
I've included some = pictures of=20 me up in the snow up here.

I hope you continue to have fun = caching out=20 there in=20 AZ!

____________________________________________________________Az-Geocaching=20 mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com
To edit your setting, = subscribe or=20 unsubscribe visit:
http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geoc= aching

Arizona's=20 Geocaching Resource
http://www.azgeocaching.com =

------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C2E65A.82B59AA0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 10 00:51:51 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 17:51:51 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Personals References: <91.2b74f070.2b9ce850@aol.com> Message-ID: <003001c2e69f$3e853120$cc20b83f@fishkiller> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C2E664.90CF0680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ouch!! (regular) We at Evil Fish have room for one more ----- Original Message -----=20 From: PixceeDust@aol.com=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 11:56 AM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Personals DESPERATLY SEEKING NEW OWNERS Our mom is moving to Florida and is deserting us. Will someone adopt = us? We're pretty easy to take care of, don't require any food or water, = just an occassional quick maintainance. Since we're not related, we = don't mind going to different owners - heck we've never even met = eachother! Available caches for adoption are: Childs Play (regular) Lonely Manzanita (regular) Shock Johnson (micro) Varnum Rocks (micro) Put That In Your Pipe (regular) Got MIlk? (micro) A Break In Education (micro) ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C2E664.90CF0680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ouch!!  = (regular)
 
 
We at Evil Fish have room for one = more
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 PixceeDust@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 = 11:56=20 AM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache=20 Personals


DESPERATLY SEEKING = NEW=20 OWNERS

Our mom is moving to Florida and is deserting = us.  Will=20 someone adopt us?  We're pretty easy to take care of, don't = require any=20 food or water, just an occassional quick maintainance.  Since = we're not=20 related, we don't mind going to different owners - heck we've never = even met=20 eachother!

Available caches for adoption are:
Childs = Play =20 (regular)

Lonely Manzanita  (regular)
Shock = Johnson =20 (micro)
Varnum Rocks  (micro)
Put That In Your Pipe =20 (regular)
Got MIlk?  (micro)
A Break In Education =20 (micro)

 ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C2E664.90CF0680-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 10 00:55:49 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 17:55:49 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Snow Goose References: Message-ID: <005401c2e69f$cbc885a0$cc20b83f@fishkiller> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C2E665.1E664760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ditto ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Team Coyote1022=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 4:39 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Snow Goose I would like to see the pictures! TeamCoyote1022@cox.net -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of = Team Tierra Buena Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 1:57 PM To: Arizona Geocaching Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Snow Goose Got the following email from Seaman Sever, AKA "Frobro Goose". After reading his email I have changed his handle to "Snow Goose". I didn't want to forward the pictures (about 100k) to prevent = clobbering those on narrowband connections. If you'd like to see the photos, = email me direct and I will forward them to you. Goose's email address is in the header below. I'm sure like everyone else in the military, he can't possibly get enough email, so drop him = a note. Steve Team Tierra Buena -----Original Message----- From: Justin Sever [mailto:justinsever@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 6:02 AM To: 'Team Tierra Buena' Subject: Frobro Goose contacting you from US Naval Submarine Base - Groton, CT Hey Steve, How are you doing? I hope all is going well in Arizona.=20 Well, I made it through boot camp, and I'm currently in Groton, CT (Right next to New London). I'm stationed at the Submarine Base here and am one week away from graduation of BESS (Basic Enlisted Submarine School). I'm probably going to be here for quite some time. Once I graduate BESS, then I will be going to "A" school here. That is my technical school for Sonar Technision. I'm having a great time up here, but wish I could get off the base more often, and get a vehicle = up here because I can't geocache very well without a car. I acutally haven't been able to do any geocaching at all since I've been up here. Not to many caches around that are close (Zip is 06349). It is quite a change out here than being in Arizona. The weather is just a slight bit colder. I got to experience the wonderful blizard that the east coast got a couple of weeks ago. That was a lot of = fun. I've included some pictures of me up in the snow up here. I hope you continue to have fun caching out there in AZ! ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C2E665.1E664760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
ditto
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Team=20 Coyote1022
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 = 4:39=20 PM
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] = Snow=20 Goose

I would like = to see the=20 pictures!
TeamCoyote1022@cox.net<= /FONT>




-----Original Message-----
From: az-geocachi= ng-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com
[mailto:az-g= eocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On=20 Behalf Of Team
Tierra Buena
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 1:57 = PM
To:=20 Arizona Geocaching
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Snow = Goose


Got the=20 following email from Seaman Sever, AKA "Frobro Goose". = After
reading his=20 email I have changed his handle to "Snow Goose".

I didn't want = to=20 forward the pictures (about 100k) to prevent clobbering
those on = narrowband=20 connections. If you'd like to see the photos, email
me direct and I = will=20 forward them to you.

Goose's email address is in the header = below. I'm=20 sure like everyone
else in the military, he can't possibly get = enough=20 email, so drop him a
note.

Steve
Team Tierra=20 Buena

-----Original Message-----
From: Justin Sever [mailto:justinsever@hotmail.com]
Sent:=20 Saturday, March 08, 2003 6:02 AM
To: 'Team Tierra = Buena'
Subject: Frobro=20 Goose contacting you from US Naval Submarine Base -
Groton,=20 CT


Hey Steve,

How are you doing? I hope all is going = well in=20 Arizona. 

Well, I made it through boot camp, and I'm = currently in=20 Groton, CT
(Right next to New London).  I'm stationed at the = Submarine=20 Base here
and am one week away from graduation of BESS (Basic = Enlisted=20 Submarine
School).   I'm probably going to be here for = quite some=20 time.   Once I
graduate BESS, then I will be going to "A" = school=20 here.   That is my
technical school for Sonar=20 Technision.   I'm having a great time up
here, but wish I = could=20 get off the base more often, and get a vehicle up
here because I = can't=20 geocache very well without a car.   I acutally
haven't = been able=20 to do any geocaching at all since I've been up here.
Not to many = caches=20 around that are close (Zip is 06349).

It is quite a change out = here=20 than being in Arizona.   The weather is
just a slight bit = colder.   I got to experience the wonderful blizard
that = the east=20 coast got a couple of weeks ago.   That was a lot of = fun.
I've=20 included some pictures of me up in the snow up here.

I hope you = continue to have fun caching out there in=20 = AZ!

____________________________________________________________Az-Geocaching=20 mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com
To edit your setting, = subscribe or=20 unsubscribe visit:
http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geoc= aching

Arizona's=20 Geocaching Resource
http://www.azgeocaching.com=20

------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C2E665.1E664760-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 10 01:31:25 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 20:31:25 EST Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Personals Message-ID: <14b.1cd543de.2b9d44ed@aol.com> --part1_14b.1cd543de.2b9d44ed_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry, Ouch!! has been adopted by Team DaSH. Anthing else you are interested in Regan? Jessica --part1_14b.1cd543de.2b9d44ed_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry, Ouch!! has been adopted b= y Team DaSH.  Anthing else you are interested in Regan?

Jessica --part1_14b.1cd543de.2b9d44ed_boundary-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 10 02:04:43 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (HighwayHavoc) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 18:04:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Personals In-Reply-To: <91.2b74f070.2b9ce850@aol.com> Message-ID: <20030310020443.40589.qmail@web40510.mail.yahoo.com> I'm open for: Childs Play A Break In Education Mark A. Pederson aka Highwayhavoc __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 10 02:35:46 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Nicol) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 18:35:46 -0800 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] "Breakfast Cache #1" event Message-ID: >From: "Regan Smith" >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >To: >Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] "Breakfast Cache #1" event >Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 13:09:29 -0700 > >I want to Thank all those that attended and making this event such a > >success!!!!!! Thanks for putting the event cache on, Regan! It was alot of fun. Glad to see so many cachers out that morning. Also was fun to meet some of the new teams as well! Scott Team Ropingthewind _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 10 02:53:32 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 21:53:32 EST Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Personals Message-ID: <24.398a286c.2b9d582c@aol.com> --part1_24.398a286c.2b9d582c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark, Child's Play will be all yours but A Break In Education had already been adopted :) I'll get Childs Play transfered to you this week. Thanks a bunch. Still open is: Lonely Manzanita, Shock Johnson, Varnum Rocks, Put That In You Pipe and Got Milk? Thanks! Jessica I'm open for: Childs Play A Break In Education Mark A. Pederson aka Highwayhavoc Jessica --part1_24.398a286c.2b9d582c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark,
Child's Play will be all yours but A Break In Education had already been ado= pted  :)  I'll get Childs Play transfered to you this week. =20= Thanks a bunch.

Still open is: Lonely Manzanita, Shock Johnson, Varnum Rocks, Put That In Yo= u Pipe and Got Milk?

Thanks!  Jessica


I'm open for:

Childs Play
A Break In Education

Mark A. Pederson
aka Highwayhavoc




Jessica --part1_24.398a286c.2b9d582c_boundary-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 10 15:16:58 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ford, Denny) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 08:16:58 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Fw: [az_vjc] "Charlie Daniels' Open Letter to the Hollywood Bunch" Message-ID: Thank You for sending this to the list serve. Tres Hombres - > > OK -- Let's just say for a moment you bunch of > pampered, overpaid, unrealistic children had your way and the U.S.A. > didn't go into Iraq. > > Let's say that you really get your way and we destroy all our nuclear > weapons and stick daisies in our gun barrels and sit around with some > white wine and cheese and pat ourselves on the back, so proud of what > we've done for world peace. > > Let's say that we cut the military budget to just enough to keep the > National Guard on hand to help out with floods and fires. > > Let's say that we close down our military bases all over the world and > bring the troops home, increase our foreign aid and drop all the trade > sanctions against everybody. > > I suppose that in your fantasy world this would create a utopian world > where everybody would live in peace. > After all, the great monster, the United States of America, the cause of > all the world's trouble would have disbanded it's horrible military and > certainly all the other countries of the world would follow suit. > > After all, they only arm themselves to defend their countries from the > mean old U.S.A. > > Why you bunch of pitiful, hypocritical, idiotic, spoiled mugwumps. Get > your head out of the sand and smell the Trade Towers burning. > > Do you think that a trip to Iraq by Sean Penn did anything but encourage > a wanton murderer to think that the people of the U.S.A. didn't have the > nerve or the guts to fight him? > > Barbra Streisand's fanatical and hateful rankings about George Bush > makes about as much sense as Michael Jackson hanging a baby over a railing. > > You people need to get out of Hollywood once in a while and get out into > the real world. You'd be surprised at the hostility you would find out > there. > > Stop in at a truck stop and tell an overworked, long distance truck > driver that you don't think Saddam Hussein is doing anything wrong. > > Tell a farmer with a couple of sons in the military > that you think the United States has no right to defend itself. > > Go down to Baxley, Georgia and hold an anti-war rally > and see what the folks down there think about you. > You people are some of the most disgusting examples > of a waste of protoplasm I've ever had the displeasure to hear about. > > Sean Penn, you're a traitor to the United States of America. You gave > aid and comfort to the enemy. > How many American lives will your little, "fact finding trip" to Iraq cost? > > You encouraged Saddam to think that we didn't have the stomach for war. > > You people protect one of the most evil men on the face of this earth > and won't lift a finger to save the life of an unborn baby. > > Freedom of choice you say? > > Well I'm going to exercise some freedom of choice of my own. > > If I see any of your names on a marquee, I'm going to boycott the movie. > I will completely stop going to movies if I have to. In most cases it > certainly wouldn't be much of a loss. > > You scoff at our military whose boots you're not even worthy to shine. > > They go to battle and risk their lives so ingrates like you can live in > luxury. > > The day of reckoning is coming when you will be faced with the > undeniable truth that the war against Saddam Hussein is the war on > terrorism. > > America is in imminent danger. > You're either for her or against her. > There is no middle ground. (Mugwump) > I think we all know where you stand. > > What do you think? > > God Bless America! > Charlie Daniels > Copyright (c) 2003 Charlie Daniels > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 10 16:43:49 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 09:43:49 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Geocaching in the news Message-ID: There is an article in the March 2003 issue of NEXT Magazine on Geocaching with a picture of Bob Renner out near New River. There is a link to geocaching.com and azgeocaching.com. I have no idea how we got on the mailing list for the mag. Its point of view is the AZ area. The editor can be reached at, Carrie White, cwhite@aztrib.com. Brain Cluff of Chandler (aka Team Snapteck) and Justin Sever have comments. Barry aha Hiker From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 10 16:56:05 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jason Poulter) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 09:56:05 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Geocaching in the news In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E6CC3A5.1000702@snaptek.com> Next Magazine? where is that from... how to we get a copy of the article to add to the web site? jason barry.neely@prudential.com wrote: > There is an article in the March 2003 issue of NEXT Magazine on Geocaching > with a picture of Bob Renner out near New River. There is a link to > geocaching.com and azgeocaching.com. I have no idea how we got on the > mailing list for the mag. Its point of view is the AZ area. The editor can > be reached at, Carrie White, cwhite@aztrib.com. Brain Cluff of Chandler > (aka Team Snapteck) and Justin Sever have comments. > > Barry aha Hiker > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 10 17:18:08 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 10:18:08 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Geocaching in the news Message-ID: Not sure where it is from. It came in the mail addressed to my wife. To get a copy of the article try dropping a note to Carrie White, cwhite@aztrib.com. Barry Jason Poulter To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Sent by: cc: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching. Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Geocaching in the news com Monday March 10, 2003 09:56 AM Please respond to listserv Next Magazine? where is that from... how to we get a copy of the article to add to the web site? jason barry.neely@prudential.com wrote: > There is an article in the March 2003 issue of NEXT Magazine on Geocaching > with a picture of Bob Renner out near New River. There is a link to > geocaching.com and azgeocaching.com. I have no idea how we got on the > mailing list for the mag. Its point of view is the AZ area. The editor can > be reached at, Carrie White, cwhite@aztrib.com. Brain Cluff of Chandler > (aka Team Snapteck) and Justin Sever have comments. > > Barry aha Hiker > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Mar 11 19:21:46 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RAND HARDIN) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:21:46 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] "Breakfast Cache #1" photos Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C2E7C8.C87CE920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Brian and Jason, Regan, with Team Evil Fish suggested that I send you some photos that I h= ad taken at the "Breakfast Cache #1" event on March 8th. He suggested th= at you could post them in the Photo Album. I have nine photos. What is = the procedure for sending them to you? (I don't have a means of compress= ing them if that is required.) Rand Hardin (RandMan) RHrdn8@msn.com =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C2E7C8.C87CE920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Brian and Jaso= n,
 
Regan, with Team Evil Fish suggest= ed that I send you some photos that I had taken at the "Breakfast Ca= che #1" event on March 8th.  He suggested that you could post them i= n the Photo Album.  I have nine photos.  What is the procedure = for sending them to you?  (I don't have a means of compressing them = if that is required.)
 
Rand Hardin  (Ran= dMan)
------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C2E7C8.C87CE920-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Mar 11 20:46:05 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:46:05 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] "Breakfast Cache #1" photos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E6E4B0D.7030300@snaptek.com> Just send them to me via e-mail... just don't let the size of a single message exceed 6 megs. Just break them up into as many seperate messages as you need. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek RAND HARDIN wrote: > Brian and Jason, > > Regan, with _Team Evil Fish_ suggested that I send you some photos > that I had taken at the "Breakfast Cache #1" event on March 8th. He > suggested that you could post them in the Photo Album. I have nine > photos. What is the procedure for sending them to you? (I don't have a > means of compressing them if that is required.) > > Rand Hardin (RandMan) > RHrdn8@msn.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Mar 11 21:09:38 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Koch, Dan) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:09:38 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Feb 3 Training thing - location? Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2E812.86666CB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Can anyone who was at the training thing back in February with Scott Wood send me the coordinates of where we were? Doesn't matter which 'stage'. Thanks, LazyK - Dan ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2E812.86666CB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Can anyone who was at the training thing back in February with Scott Wood send me the coordinates of where we were?  Doesn't matter which 'stage'.
 
Thanks,
LazyK - Dan
------_=_NextPart_001_01C2E812.86666CB0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 12 04:35:30 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Chelby Geiss) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:35:30 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Feb 3 Training thing - location? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0E6D882C-5444-11D7-B43E-000393545682@desertsol.com> Here ya go! Kevin just pulled them off his gps! (I'm still very upset I was too sick to go!) in chronological order that we visited them: ranger station N33.84876 W111.82921 big fortress N33.96319 W111.83395 where we were parked most of the time N33.95514 W111.83034 compound N33.95485 W111.83094 pile of manos N33.95392 W111.83047 agave pit roast N33.95961 W111.82599 Team desertSol Chelby & Kevin + Kiva and Lancer (German Shepherds) Apache Junction, AZ www.desertsol.com/~chelby/geocaching From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 12 10:26:16 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 03:26:16 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re:DVRAC VIRTUAL CACHE In-Reply-To: <3E6B9CC1.1070704@cox.net> Message-ID: <000001c2e881$d16249e0$6401a8c0@DESKTOP> > Has this virtual cache (Deer Valley Rock Art Center) been archived? We > cannot find the virtual cache page on any of the geocaching internet sites. It has been archived, but if you're logged in to geocaching.com, you should be able to find it here: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=48341 Steve Team Tierra Buena From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 12 12:51:57 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (B. Lausten) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 05:51:57 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Feb 3 Training thing - location? In-Reply-To: <0E6D882C-5444-11D7-B43E-000393545682@desertsol.com> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030312054151.00a5a830@pop.west.cox.net> I may have come in the middle of this, but what are we doing now? giving locations of Archaeological sites or finds? If you want geocaching to be made illegal, than this is the way to do it!!! At 09:35 PM 3/11/03, you wrote: >Here ya go! Kevin just pulled them off his gps! (I'm still very upset I >was too sick to go!) > >in chronological order that we visited them: >ranger station N33.84876 W111.82921 >big fortress N33.96319 W111.83395 >where we were parked most of the time N33.95514 W111.83034 >compound N33.95485 W111.83094 >pile of manos N33.95392 W111.83047 >agave pit roast N33.95961 W111.82599 > > >Team desertSol >Chelby & Kevin >+ >Kiva and Lancer (German Shepherds) >Apache Junction, AZ >www.desertsol.com/~chelby/geocaching > >____________________________________________________________ >Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > >Arizona's Geocaching Resource >http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 12 13:57:03 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 06:57:03 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Feb 3 Training thing - location? References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030312054151.00a5a830@pop.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <001101c2e89f$4f5c7a60$9d01b83f@fishkiller> your in the middle this was a very special event put on by the NFS... ----- Original Message ----- From: "B. Lausten" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 5:51 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Feb 3 Training thing - location? > I may have come in the middle of this, but what are we doing now? giving > locations of Archaeological sites or finds? If you want geocaching to be > made illegal, than this is the way to do it!!! > > > At 09:35 PM 3/11/03, you wrote: > >Here ya go! Kevin just pulled them off his gps! (I'm still very upset I > >was too sick to go!) > > > >in chronological order that we visited them: > >ranger station N33.84876 W111.82921 > >big fortress N33.96319 W111.83395 > >where we were parked most of the time N33.95514 W111.83034 > >compound N33.95485 W111.83094 > >pile of manos N33.95392 W111.83047 > >agave pit roast N33.95961 W111.82599 > > > > > >Team desertSol > >Chelby & Kevin > >+ > >Kiva and Lancer (German Shepherds) > >Apache Junction, AZ > >www.desertsol.com/~chelby/geocaching > > > >____________________________________________________________ > >Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > >To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > >Arizona's Geocaching Resource > >http://www.azgeocaching.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 12 14:41:00 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Cody Brown) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 07:41:00 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Yellow Jeep Message-ID: I saw an article recently where a guy had been thrown from his vehicle during an accident and ended up hanging onto the utility wires for quite some time before being rescued. I'm unable to find the original article but this turned up on the "Yellow Jeep Fever" cache. http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cachelog_details.asp?ID=166624&L=965704 Later, Cody Team CBX2 From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 12 14:54:16 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Chelby Geiss) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 07:54:16 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Feb 3 Training thing - location? In-Reply-To: <001101c2e89f$4f5c7a60$9d01b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: <7EDED286-549A-11D7-B43E-000393545682@desertsol.com> I am sorry. Blame it on too many 15 hour days in the last 2 weeks, pregnancy hormones, or just sheer STUPIDITY! I apologize for posting the coordinates to the list and trying to help someone out with a question..... I'll shut up now. *beating myself over the head with my garmin* Team desertSol Chelby & Kevin + Kiva and Lancer (German Shepherds) Apache Junction, AZ www.desertsol.com/~chelby/geocaching From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 12 16:29:28 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian LaFrance) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 08:29:28 -0800 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Feb 3 Training thing - location? In-Reply-To: <7EDED286-549A-11D7-B43E-000393545682@desertsol.com> References: <7EDED286-549A-11D7-B43E-000393545682@desertsol.com> Message-ID: <1047486568.3e6f60685305f@webmail.brianlafrance.com> Don't hurt the GPS... Quoting Chelby Geiss : > I am sorry. Blame it on too many 15 hour days in the last 2 weeks, > pregnancy hormones, or just sheer STUPIDITY! I apologize for posting > the coordinates to the list and trying to help someone out with a > question..... > I'll shut up now. *beating myself over the head with my garmin* > > > Team desertSol > Chelby & Kevin > + > Kiva and Lancer (German Shepherds) > Apache Junction, AZ > www.desertsol.com/~chelby/geocaching > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 12 19:38:51 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 12:38:51 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Feb 3 Training thing - location? References: <7EDED286-549A-11D7-B43E-000393545682@desertsol.com> Message-ID: <004201c2e8cf$02f23fe0$4928b83f@fishkiller> I want to add a late congrats on the new baby cacher!!! I met Binskeep the other day and they too have a young cacher on the way!!!! ps SEE Garmins are good :) (evil grin) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chelby Geiss" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 7:54 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Feb 3 Training thing - location? > I am sorry. Blame it on too many 15 hour days in the last 2 weeks, > pregnancy hormones, or just sheer STUPIDITY! I apologize for posting > the coordinates to the list and trying to help someone out with a > question..... > I'll shut up now. *beating myself over the head with my garmin* > > > Team desertSol > Chelby & Kevin > + > Kiva and Lancer (German Shepherds) > Apache Junction, AZ > www.desertsol.com/~chelby/geocaching > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 12 21:36:58 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:36:58 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Feb 3 Training thing - location? In-Reply-To: <7EDED286-549A-11D7-B43E-000393545682@desertsol.com> Message-ID: <007c01c2e8df$8298d3c0$1e01a8c0@connie> Chelby and Kevin, congratulations on the pregnancy, when are you due? As far as your helping Dan out with his question, you know how much I participate in the conversations on this list serve and I got what you were doing. DO NOT beat yourself up over someone else's mistrust and misunderstanding. --Connie Team "Wyle E" From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 12 23:36:24 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Chelby Geiss) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:36:24 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Feb 3 Training thing - location? In-Reply-To: <007c01c2e8df$8298d3c0$1e01a8c0@connie> Message-ID: <7030CDF8-54E3-11D7-B43E-000393545682@desertsol.com> Thanks to everyone for the support and congrats. We are sooo excited! Baby Boy (wahooo!) Geiss is due July 17th:) No name picked out yet...but we are taking suggestions! Hahahahaha! I had the worst morning (all day) sickness for the first 4 month (hence our find numbers not changing recently), but am doing great now...except for those pregnancy stupids!:) Thanks again. Team desertSol Chelby & Kevin + Kiva and Lancer (German Shepherds) Apache Junction, AZ www.desertsol.com/~chelby/geocaching From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Mar 13 00:38:58 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 17:38:58 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Feb 3 Training thing - location? In-Reply-To: <7030CDF8-54E3-11D7-B43E-000393545682@desertsol.com> Message-ID: <000101c2e8f8$f010ee10$6401a8c0@DESKTOP> > Thanks to everyone for the support and congrats. We are sooo excited! > Baby Boy (wahooo!) Geiss is due July 17th:) > No name picked out yet...but we are taking suggestions! I was going to suggest naming him in honor of one of the founders of azgeocaching.com, but on second thought, "Poulter Geiss" is probably subject to misinterpretation. Steve Team Tierra Buena From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Mar 13 06:09:34 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (HighwayHavoc) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 22:09:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Yellow Jeep In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030313060934.36679.qmail@web40505.mail.yahoo.com> There is an article on this at: http://www.examiner.net/stories/012803/new_012803008.shtml# --- Cody Brown wrote: > I saw an article recently where a guy had been > thrown from his vehicle > during an accident and ended up hanging onto the > utility wires for quite > some time before being rescued. I'm unable to find > the original article > but this turned up on the "Yellow Jeep Fever" cache. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Mar 13 17:02:42 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:02:42 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) Message-ID: <002501c2e982$5c5f87a0$0500a8c0@fbidaemon> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C2E947.AFD44870 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As I had stated before, watch what happens when Wyle E is dethroned. He = becomes motivated to retake his place, and has done so. Congrats again to Larry & Co. for finding themselves once again, in the = number one position. Brian Team A.I. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C2E947.AFD44870 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As I had stated before, watch what = happens when=20 Wyle E is dethroned.  He becomes motivated to retake his place, and = has=20 done so.
 
Congrats again to Larry & Co. for = finding=20 themselves once again, in the number one position.
 
Brian
Team A.I.
------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C2E947.AFD44870-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Mar 13 20:16:24 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:16:24 -0500 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Feb 3 Training thing - location? Message-ID: <05C6AC0A.2727A62C.0013DAD2@aol.com> My birthday is July 17th. It's a good day to be born. Budcam From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Mar 13 20:17:02 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bill Tomlinson) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:17:02 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) In-Reply-To: <002501c2e982$5c5f87a0$0500a8c0@fbidaemon> Message-ID: <018d01c2e99d$82d6aec0$697ba8c0@sbjr.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_018E_01C2E962.D67AE400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And how! Not just overtaken, but blew the doors off. Smooth move, Wyle = E. =20 You guys at the top have got to knock off this rivalry or us newbies = will never be able to catch up. ;-) Speaking of which, be watching for = another big day from teams TheWebbman and CacheLess. Now I hope I didn't just = jinx us. =20 CacheLess Bill -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = Brian Casteel Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 10:03 AM To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) As I had stated before, watch what happens when Wyle E is dethroned. He becomes motivated to retake his place, and has done so. =20 Congrats again to Larry & Co. for finding themselves once again, in the number one position. =20 Brian Team A.I. ------=_NextPart_000_018E_01C2E962.D67AE400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
And=20 how!  Not just overtaken, but blew the doors off.  Smooth = move, Wyle=20 E.
 
You=20 guys at the top have got to knock off this rivalry or us newbies will = never be=20 able to catch up.  ;-)   Speaking of which, be watching = for=20 another big day from teams TheWebbman and CacheLess.  Now I hope I = didn't=20 just jinx us.
 
CacheLess
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = Brian Casteel
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 10:03=20 AM
To: = az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com
Subject:=20 [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again)

As I had stated before, watch what = happens when=20 Wyle E is dethroned.  He becomes motivated to retake his place, = and has=20 done so.
 
Congrats again to Larry & Co. for = finding=20 themselves once again, in the number one position.
 
Brian
Team = A.I.
------=_NextPart_000_018E_01C2E962.D67AE400-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Mar 13 20:22:32 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jason Poulter) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:22:32 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Feb 3 Training thing - location? In-Reply-To: <000101c2e8f8$f010ee10$6401a8c0@DESKTOP> References: <000101c2e8f8$f010ee10$6401a8c0@DESKTOP> Message-ID: <3E70E888.5070202@snaptek.com> that sound good!!! Jason AKA Poulter Geist!! Team Tierra Buena wrote: >>Thanks to everyone for the support and congrats. We are sooo excited! > > >>Baby Boy (wahooo!) Geiss is due July 17th:) >>No name picked out yet...but we are taking suggestions! > > > I was going to suggest naming him in honor of one of the founders of > azgeocaching.com, but on second thought, "Poulter Geiss" is probably > subject to misinterpretation. > > Steve > Team Tierra Buena > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Mar 13 23:14:54 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jerry Nelson) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:14:54 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) References: <002501c2e982$5c5f87a0$0500a8c0@fbidaemon> Message-ID: <002001c2e9b6$5b905320$23fb6a44@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C2E97B.AF084840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You didn't fool us for a second, Larry. :o) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Brian Casteel=20 To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 10:02 AM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) As I had stated before, watch what happens when Wyle E is dethroned. = He becomes motivated to retake his place, and has done so. Congrats again to Larry & Co. for finding themselves once again, in = the number one position. Brian Team A.I. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C2E97B.AF084840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
You didn't fool us for a second, = Larry. =20 :o)
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Brian = Casteel=20
To: az-geocaching@lis= tserv.azgeocaching.com=20
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 = 10:02=20 AM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New = Leader=20 (again)

As I had stated before, watch what = happens when=20 Wyle E is dethroned.  He becomes motivated to retake his place, = and has=20 done so.
 
Congrats again to Larry & Co. for = finding=20 themselves once again, in the number one position.
 
Brian
Team = A.I.
------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C2E97B.AF084840-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Mar 14 00:53:03 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bell, Robert) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 17:53:03 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2E9C4.11A12330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I was trying!! It's Regans fault. We reinfected Larry at the breakfast last week in Gilbert. The fevers back! It is good to see you back Larry!...(although maybe not so MUCH.....) Rob, Team CHUMP AKA "Number 2" -----Original Message----- From: Bill Tomlinson [mailto:billtomlinson@qwest.net] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 13:17 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) And how! Not just overtaken, but blew the doors off. Smooth move, Wyle E. You guys at the top have got to knock off this rivalry or us newbies will never be able to catch up. ;-) Speaking of which, be watching for another big day from teams TheWebbman and CacheLess. Now I hope I didn't just jinx us. CacheLess Bill -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Brian Casteel Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 10:03 AM To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) As I had stated before, watch what happens when Wyle E is dethroned. He becomes motivated to retake his place, and has done so. Congrats again to Larry & Co. for finding themselves once again, in the number one position. Brian Team A.I. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2E9C4.11A12330 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Message
I was trying!!  
It's Regans fault.  We reinfected Larry at the breakfast last week in Gilbert.
The fevers back!
 
It is good to see you back Larry!...(although maybe not so MUCH.....<grin>)
 
Rob, Team CHUMP
AKA "Number 2"
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Tomlinson [mailto:billtomlinson@qwest.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 13:17
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again)

And how!  Not just overtaken, but blew the doors off.  Smooth move, Wyle E.
 
You guys at the top have got to knock off this rivalry or us newbies will never be able to catch up.  ;-)   Speaking of which, be watching for another big day from teams TheWebbman and CacheLess.  Now I hope I didn't just jinx us.
 
CacheLess
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Brian Casteel
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 10:03 AM
To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again)

As I had stated before, watch what happens when Wyle E is dethroned.  He becomes motivated to retake his place, and has done so.
 
Congrats again to Larry & Co. for finding themselves once again, in the number one position.
 
Brian
Team A.I.
------_=_NextPart_001_01C2E9C4.11A12330-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Mar 14 03:55:13 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 20:55:13 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Event Cache? Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030313205309.02947f50@mail.myblueheaven.com> It isn't going to be that long before the weather starts turning pretty hot again and I wonder if there would be much interest in putting some sort of event together for the near future. What I have in mind is something in the Casa Grande area that might draw a good crowd from both Tucson and Phoenix. If there is interest, is there someone that could put this together? I would love to, but just haven't had the time lately to do anything more than just think about it. Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Mar 14 06:34:48 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 22:34:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Event Cache? Message-ID: <20030313223449.2038.h018.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Just to throw an idea in along these lines ..... I am still planning to plan (?) an event/picnic up in Prescott, probably in April/May, when it is warmer down in Phx but not too warm here yet and before the Forests close. Stay tuned. Plan to have - the event (one find) and one or two caches to hunt from the event (with a contest and prizes) (1-2 more finds) as well as any caching the individual wants to do.... Trisha "Lightning" Prescott On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Scott Wood wrote: > > It isn't going to be that long before the weather starts turning > pretty hot > again and I wonder if there would be much interest in putting some > sort of > event together for the near future. > > What I have in mind is something in the Casa Grande area that might > draw a > good crowd from both Tucson and Phoenix. > > If there is interest, is there someone that could put this together? > I > would love to, but just haven't had the time lately to do anything > more > than just think about it. > > Scott > Team My Blue Heaven > www.myblueheaven.com/geocache > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Although no one can go back and make a brand new start, Anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Mar 14 06:56:55 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (mike and gale jett) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 06:56:55 +0000 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] A step in the right direction Message-ID:
Has anybody seen this? This could be good for geocaching if someone wants to do this, especially in category two. My family is urging me to do this but my volunteering time is stretched thin at the moment. I believe the site stewards fall under this group.
 

News Release
03-SO-12
For Immediate Release: March 7, 2003
Contact: : Deborah E. Stevens, (602) 417-9504 E-mail: Deborah_Stevens@blm.gov

BLM Seeking Nominations for Arizona Resource Advisory Council

Arizonans interested in the management and conservation of public lands have an opportunity to become directly involved through participation on the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Arizona Resource Advisory Council (RAC).

Nominations are being accepted for five positions on the RAC. The Secretary of the Interior makes all of the three-year appointments to the broad-based, citizen council. The deadline for sending nominations and letters of support to the BLM is Monday, April 21, 2003.

"The RAC has been an excellent way to keep citizens engaged in the resource issues facing the public lands in Arizona," said BLM Arizona State Director Elaine Zielinski. "BLM managers look forward to having more Arizonans become involved in this collaborative process, bringing fresh ideas to the table."

The Arizona RAC consists of 15 members. The RAC charter provides for RAC members to serve 3-year terms, on a staggered basis, with one-third of the council subject to appointment or reappointment each year.

Following are the positions that are open on the RAC this year.

  • Two positions are open in category one (Commodity), which includes federal grazing permit, energy and mineral development, timber industry, transportation or rights-of-way, off-highway vehicle use, and commercial recreation interests.

  • One position is open in category two (Non-Commodity), which includes nationally or regionally recognized environmental organizations, archaeological and historic interests, dispersed recreation, and wild horse and burro groups.

  • Two positions are open in category three (Local Area Interest), which includes holders of State, county or local elected office, Native American Tribes, employees of a State agency responsible for management of natural resources, academicians involved in natural sciences, and the public-at-large.

Following is a list of RAC members whose terms are ending this year.

Name Representing Residence Term Ending
John Neal Commodity/Grazing Permittee Kingman 9/2003
Sandra McCullen Commodity/Off-Road Vehicle Use Mesa 9/2003
Christine Newell Non-Commodity/Environmental Flagstaff 9/2003
Lorraine Eiler Local Area/Native American Tribes Glendale 9/2003
Noman Wallen Local Area/Public-at-Large Flagstaff 9/2003

Citizens may nominate themselves or others, and all nominees must be an Arizona resident or a resident within those portions of California and Utah under the jurisdiction of the Arizona BLM.

Nominees will be evaluated based on their education, training, and experience of the issues and knowledge of the geographical area of the council. They should have demonstrated a commitment to collaborative resource decision-making. All nominations must be accompanied by letters of reference from the interests or organizations to be represented, a completed background information nomination form, as well as any other information that speaks to the nominee's qualifications.

Members serve without monetary compensation, but are reimbursed for travel and meal expenses.

Nomination forms (pdf) are available from all BLM offices, and from BLM's website at http://www.az.blm.gov. However, letters of nomination can also be submitted and should describe a nominee's:

  • Address, home and business phone numbers;
  • Education and career highlights;
  • Training or experience to give informed, objective advice on an industry, discipline or interest;
  • Knowledge of the geographical area the RAC serves;
  • Demonstrated commitment to collaboration in seeking solutions to resource management issues;
  • The category of interest to be represented

BLM consults with Arizona Governor Janet Napolitano before forwarding its recommendations to the Secretary for the final decision.

All nominations and letters of reference should be sent to:

Bureau of Land Management
Arizona State Office
222 North Central Avenue
Phoenix, AZ 85004-2203
Attention: Deborah E. Stevens

For additional information, contact BLM Public Affairs Specialist Deborah Stevens at (602) 417-9504.

-BLM-

from http:/www.az.blm.gov/fr_lup.htm     under news releases
 
 

Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Mar 14 09:10:18 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (xWaterLilyx) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 01:10:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] A step in the right direction In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030314091018.2790.qmail@web14808.mail.yahoo.com> News Release 03-SO-12 For Immediate Release: March 7, 2003 Contact: : Deborah E. Stevens, (602) 417-9504 E-mail: Deborah_Stevens@blm.gov BLM Seeking Nominations for Arizona Resource Advisory Council Arizonans interested in the management and conservation of public lands have an opportunity to become directly involved through participation on the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Arizona Resource Advisory Council (RAC). __________________________________________________ If somebody does decide to do this they should let the listserve know immediately so we can all send in support letters!! ===== xWaterLilyx & RTF Team H20 Phoenix, AZ (Ahwatukee) Geocaching Site: http://www.geocities.com/xwaterlilyxrtf __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Mar 14 14:16:00 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 07:16:00 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) References: <018d01c2e99d$82d6aec0$697ba8c0@sbjr.com> Message-ID: <002601c2ea34$3dda2260$4e10b83f@fishkiller> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C2E9F9.90872660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageWill both of you be using the same GPS??? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bill Tomlinson=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 1:17 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) And how! Not just overtaken, but blew the doors off. Smooth move, = Wyle E. You guys at the top have got to knock off this rivalry or us newbies = will never be able to catch up. ;-) Speaking of which, be watching = for another big day from teams TheWebbman and CacheLess. Now I hope I = didn't just jinx us. CacheLess Bill -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com = [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = Brian Casteel Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 10:03 AM To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) As I had stated before, watch what happens when Wyle E is dethroned. = He becomes motivated to retake his place, and has done so. Congrats again to Larry & Co. for finding themselves once again, in = the number one position. Brian Team A.I. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C2E9F9.90872660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Will both of you be using the same=20 GPS???
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bill=20 Tomlinson
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 = 1:17=20 PM
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] = New Leader=20 (again)

And=20 how!  Not just overtaken, but blew the doors off.  Smooth = move, Wyle=20 E.
 
You=20 guys at the top have got to knock off this rivalry or us newbies will = never be=20 able to catch up.  ;-)   Speaking of which, be watching = for=20 another big day from teams TheWebbman and CacheLess.  Now I hope = I didn't=20 just jinx us.
 
CacheLess
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf = Of=20 Brian Casteel
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 10:03=20 AM
To: = az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com
Subject:=20 [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again)

As I had stated before, watch what = happens when=20 Wyle E is dethroned.  He becomes motivated to retake his place, = and has=20 done so.
 
Congrats again to Larry & Co. = for finding=20 themselves once again, in the number one position.
 
Brian
Team=20 A.I.
------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C2E9F9.90872660-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Mar 14 14:17:51 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 07:17:51 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) References: Message-ID: <003a01c2ea34$7feaf9e0$4e10b83f@fishkiller> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C2E9F9.D2B1EE80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message GEOCACHING IS NOT AN ADDICTION IT IS A WAY OF LIFE!!!!!! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bell, Robert=20 To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com'=20 Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:53 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) I was trying!! =20 It's Regans fault. We reinfected Larry at the breakfast last week in = Gilbert. The fevers back! It is good to see you back Larry!...(although maybe not so = MUCH.....) Rob, Team CHUMP AKA "Number 2" -----Original Message----- From: Bill Tomlinson [mailto:billtomlinson@qwest.net] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 13:17 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) And how! Not just overtaken, but blew the doors off. Smooth move, = Wyle E. You guys at the top have got to knock off this rivalry or us newbies = will never be able to catch up. ;-) Speaking of which, be watching = for another big day from teams TheWebbman and CacheLess. Now I hope I = didn't just jinx us. CacheLess Bill -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com = [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = Brian Casteel Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 10:03 AM To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) As I had stated before, watch what happens when Wyle E is = dethroned. He becomes motivated to retake his place, and has done so. Congrats again to Larry & Co. for finding themselves once again, = in the number one position. Brian Team A.I. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C2E9F9.D2B1EE80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
 
 
GEOCACHING IS NOT AN = ADDICTION IT IS=20 A WAY OF LIFE!!!!!!
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bell,=20 Robert
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 = 5:53=20 PM
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] = New Leader=20 (again)

I=20 was trying!!  
It's=20 Regans fault.  We reinfected Larry at the breakfast last week in=20 Gilbert.
The=20 fevers back!
 
It is good to see you back=20 Larry!...(although maybe not so=20 MUCH.....<grin>)
 
Rob,=20 Team CHUMP
AKA=20 "Number 2"
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Tomlinson=20 [mailto:billtomlinson@qwest.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 13, = 2003=20 13:17
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: RE: = [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again)

And how!  Not just overtaken, but blew the doors = off. =20 Smooth move, Wyle E.
 
You guys at the top have got to knock off this rivalry or = us newbies=20 will never be able to catch up.  ;-)   Speaking of = which, be=20 watching for another big day from teams TheWebbman and = CacheLess.  Now=20 I hope I didn't just jinx us.
 
CacheLess
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On = Behalf Of=20 Brian Casteel
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 10:03=20 AM
To:=20 az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com
Subject: = [Az-Geocaching]=20 New Leader (again)

As I had stated before, watch = what happens=20 when Wyle E is dethroned.  He becomes motivated to retake his = place,=20 and has done so.
 
Congrats again to Larry & Co. = for finding=20 themselves once again, in the number one position.
 
Brian
Team=20 A.I.
------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C2E9F9.D2B1EE80-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Mar 14 14:29:24 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 07:29:24 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] a new record Message-ID: <00b301c2ea36$1d09a4a0$4e10b83f@fishkiller> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01C2E9FB.6FBFD060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Has anyone noticed this Jeepster guy?? as of today he has found 153 = Arizona caches, and not all were drive by's he has completed the hardest = virtual in the state that being Return to Sender, I have had the = pleasure of meeting him on the hunt and at rest, a fine addition to the = community... ------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01C2E9FB.6FBFD060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Has anyone noticed this Jeepster = guy?? as of=20 today he has found 153 Arizona caches, and not all were drive by's he = has=20 completed the hardest virtual in the state that being Return to Sender, = I have=20 had the pleasure of meeting him on the hunt and at rest, a fine addition = to the=20 community...
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01C2E9FB.6FBFD060-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Mar 14 14:42:58 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 07:42:58 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] a new record References: <00b301c2ea36$1d09a4a0$4e10b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: <00c301c2ea38$02a48600$4e10b83f@fishkiller> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C0_01C2E9FD.555310A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That is 153 caches just in MARCH of 2003 and the month is young... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Regan Smith=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:29 AM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] a new record Has anyone noticed this Jeepster guy?? as of today he has found 153 = Arizona caches, and not all were drive by's he has completed the hardest = virtual in the state that being Return to Sender, I have had the = pleasure of meeting him on the hunt and at rest, a fine addition to the = community... ------=_NextPart_000_00C0_01C2E9FD.555310A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That is 153 caches just in MARCH of = 2003 and the=20 month is young...
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Regan=20 Smith
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 = 7:29=20 AM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] a new=20 record

Has anyone noticed this Jeepster = guy?? as of=20 today he has found 153 Arizona caches, and not all were drive by's he = has=20 completed the hardest virtual in the state that being Return to = Sender, I have=20 had the pleasure of meeting him on the hunt and at rest, a fine = addition to=20 the community...
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_00C0_01C2E9FD.555310A0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Mar 14 16:22:24 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:22:24 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Event Cache? In-Reply-To: <20030313223449.2038.h018.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.critical path.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030314092129.020fa008@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 10:34 PM 3/13/2003 -0800, you wrote: >Just to throw an idea in along these lines ..... >I am still planning to plan (?) an event/picnic up in Prescott, >probably in April/May, when it is warmer down in Phx but not too warm >here yet and before the Forests close. Stay tuned. >Plan to have - the event (one find) and one or two caches to hunt from >the event (with a contest and prizes) (1-2 more finds) as well as any >caching the individual wants to do.... We have been wanting to get up to that part of the state and find some caches, but if you do this please give a lot of notice. While it might be a simple jaunt up from Phoenix, those of us in Tucson would have to plan for such an event. In liberty, Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Mar 14 18:20:07 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:20:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Event Cache? Message-ID: <20030314102008.26274.h015.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Yes, I would give alot of notice, at least a month. I've been threatening since last year to host an event cache, I just gotta see about schedules (and health)....so I guess I better decide pretty soon! Trisha "Lightning" Prescott On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, Scott Wood wrote: > > At 10:34 PM 3/13/2003 -0800, you wrote: > > >Just to throw an idea in along these lines ..... > >I am still planning to plan (?) an event/picnic up in Prescott, > >probably in April/May, when it is warmer down in Phx but not too warm > >here yet and before the Forests close. Stay tuned. > >Plan to have - the event (one find) and one or two caches to hunt from > >the event (with a contest and prizes) (1-2 more finds) as well as any > >caching the individual wants to do.... > > We have been wanting to get up to that part of the state and find some > caches, but if you do this please give a lot of notice. While it > might be > a simple jaunt up from Phoenix, those of us in Tucson would have to > plan > for such an event. > > > In liberty, > > Scott > > wood@myblueheaven.com > www.myblueheaven.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Although no one can go back and make a brand new start, Anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Mar 15 02:05:21 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Loran Wilcox) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 19:05:21 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) References: <003a01c2ea34$7feaf9e0$4e10b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: <001801c2ea97$55f3d680$0500a8c0@one> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C2EA5C.A937EA60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageI'm Addicted. Team Sand Dollar ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Regan Smith=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:17 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) GEOCACHING IS NOT AN ADDICTION IT IS A WAY OF LIFE!!!!!! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bell, Robert=20 To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com'=20 Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:53 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) I was trying!! =20 It's Regans fault. We reinfected Larry at the breakfast last week = in Gilbert. The fevers back! It is good to see you back Larry!...(although maybe not so = MUCH.....) Rob, Team CHUMP AKA "Number 2" -----Original Message----- From: Bill Tomlinson [mailto:billtomlinson@qwest.net] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 13:17 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) And how! Not just overtaken, but blew the doors off. Smooth = move, Wyle E. You guys at the top have got to knock off this rivalry or us = newbies will never be able to catch up. ;-) Speaking of which, be = watching for another big day from teams TheWebbman and CacheLess. Now I = hope I didn't just jinx us. CacheLess Bill -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com = [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = Brian Casteel Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 10:03 AM To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) As I had stated before, watch what happens when Wyle E is = dethroned. He becomes motivated to retake his place, and has done so. Congrats again to Larry & Co. for finding themselves once again, = in the number one position. Brian Team A.I. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C2EA5C.A937EA60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
I'm Addicted.
 
Team Sand Dollar
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Regan=20 Smith
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 = 7:17=20 AM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = New Leader=20 (again)

 
 
GEOCACHING IS NOT AN = ADDICTION IT=20 IS A WAY OF LIFE!!!!!!
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bell, Robert
Sent: Thursday, March 13, = 2003 5:53=20 PM
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] = New Leader=20 (again)

I=20 was trying!!  
It's Regans fault.  We reinfected Larry at the = breakfast last=20 week in Gilbert.
The fevers back!
 
It is good to see you = back=20 Larry!...(although maybe not so=20 MUCH.....<grin>)
 
Rob, Team CHUMP
AKA "Number 2"
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Tomlinson = [mailto:billtomlinson@qwest.net]
Sent: Thursday, March = 13, 2003=20 13:17
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: = RE:=20 [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again)

And how!  Not just overtaken, but blew the doors = off. =20 Smooth move, Wyle E.
 
You guys at the top have got to knock off this rivalry or = us=20 newbies will never be able to catch up.  ;-)   = Speaking of=20 which, be watching for another big day from teams TheWebbman and=20 CacheLess.  Now I hope I didn't just jinx = us.
 
CacheLess
Bill
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On = Behalf Of=20 Brian Casteel
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 10:03 = AM
To:=20 az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com
Subject:=20 [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again)

As I had stated before, watch = what happens=20 when Wyle E is dethroned.  He becomes motivated to retake = his=20 place, and has done so.
 
Congrats again to Larry & = Co. for=20 finding themselves once again, in the number one = position.
 
Brian
Team=20 = A.I.
------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C2EA5C.A937EA60-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Mar 15 01:43:40 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 18:43:40 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) References: <003a01c2ea34$7feaf9e0$4e10b83f@fishkiller> <001801c2ea97$55f3d680$0500a8c0@one> Message-ID: <001f01c2ea94$4f349260$5400b83f@fishkiller> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C2EA59.A1AF3BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Messageand you held #1 for how long?? :) Evil Grin ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Loran Wilcox=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) I'm Addicted. Team Sand Dollar ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Regan Smith=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:17 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) GEOCACHING IS NOT AN ADDICTION IT IS A WAY OF LIFE!!!!!! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bell, Robert=20 To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com'=20 Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:53 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) I was trying!! =20 It's Regans fault. We reinfected Larry at the breakfast last week = in Gilbert. The fevers back! It is good to see you back Larry!...(although maybe not so = MUCH.....) Rob, Team CHUMP AKA "Number 2" -----Original Message----- From: Bill Tomlinson [mailto:billtomlinson@qwest.net] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 13:17 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) And how! Not just overtaken, but blew the doors off. Smooth = move, Wyle E. You guys at the top have got to knock off this rivalry or us = newbies will never be able to catch up. ;-) Speaking of which, be = watching for another big day from teams TheWebbman and CacheLess. Now I = hope I didn't just jinx us. CacheLess Bill -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com = [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = Brian Casteel Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 10:03 AM To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) As I had stated before, watch what happens when Wyle E is = dethroned. He becomes motivated to retake his place, and has done so. Congrats again to Larry & Co. for finding themselves once = again, in the number one position. Brian Team A.I. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C2EA59.A1AF3BC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
and you held #1 for how long?? :) Evil=20 Grin
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Loran Wilcox
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 = 7:05=20 PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = New Leader=20 (again)

I'm Addicted.
 
Team Sand Dollar
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Regan=20 Smith
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 = 7:17=20 AM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = New Leader=20 (again)

 
 
GEOCACHING IS NOT = AN ADDICTION IT=20 IS A WAY OF LIFE!!!!!!
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Bell, Robert
To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com'=20
Sent: Thursday, March 13, = 2003 5:53=20 PM
Subject: RE: = [Az-Geocaching] New=20 Leader (again)

I was trying!!  
It's Regans fault.  We reinfected Larry at the = breakfast last=20 week in Gilbert.
The fevers back!
 
It is good to see you = back=20 Larry!...(although maybe not so=20 MUCH.....<grin>)
 
Rob, Team CHUMP
AKA "Number 2"
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill = Tomlinson=20 [mailto:billtomlinson@qwest.net]
Sent: Thursday, March = 13,=20 2003 13:17
To: = listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject:=20 RE: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again)

And how!  Not just overtaken, but blew the doors = off. =20 Smooth move, Wyle E.
 
You guys at the top have got to knock off this rivalry = or us=20 newbies will never be able to catch up.  ;-)   = Speaking=20 of which, be watching for another big day from teams TheWebbman = and=20 CacheLess.  Now I hope I didn't just jinx = us.
 
CacheLess
Bill
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On = Behalf Of=20 Brian Casteel
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 = 10:03=20 AM
To:=20 az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com
Subject:=20 [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again)

As I had stated before, watch = what=20 happens when Wyle E is dethroned.  He becomes motivated = to retake=20 his place, and has done so.
 
Congrats again to Larry & = Co. for=20 finding themselves once again, in the number one=20 position.
 
Brian
Team=20 = A.I.
------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C2EA59.A1AF3BC0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Mar 15 02:20:09 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 19:20:09 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] following the rules............... of this game of life.. Message-ID: <003601c2ea99$680be0e0$5400b83f@fishkiller> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C2EA5E.BA8810E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I went down to the Mesa Ranger District today to get a permit for Bull = Dog Canyon, and to ask about the wilderness area caches. I met with and = I forget his name but he is the guy incharge of the Superstition = Wilderness Area and during our conversation which was very positive he = mentioned a simple rule that I doubt any of us have followed... How many = of us as geocachers contacted the Land management agency responsible for = the area where the cache is to be placed?=20 http://www.geocaching.com/articles/making.asp=20 Will it be on private or public land? - If you place it on private land, = please ask permission before putting it there! If you place the cache on = public lands you need to contact the managing agency to find out about = their rules.=20 The Rangers would like to know where the caches are being placed, and I = after mentioning I would like to place a cache in the Bull dog area was = given the email address to the Ranger in charge of that area, and it was = suggested that he might have some ideas for other areas a cache might = be placed.... ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C2EA5E.BA8810E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I went down to the Mesa Ranger District = today to=20 get a permit for Bull Dog Canyon, and to ask about the wilderness area = caches. I=20 met with and I forget his name but he is the guy incharge of the = Superstition=20 Wilderness Area and during our conversation which was very positive he = mentioned=20 a simple rule that I doubt any of us have followed... How many = of us as=20 geocachers contacted the Land management agency responsible for the area = where  the cache is to be placed?
http://www.geocaching.com/articles/making.asp

Will it be on private or = public land? -=20 If you place it on private land, please ask permission before putting it = there!=20 If you place the cache on public lands you need to contact the managing = agency=20 to find out about their rules.
 
The Rangers would like to know where = the caches are=20 being placed, and I after mentioning I would like to place a cache in = the Bull=20 dog area was given the email address to the Ranger in charge of that = area, and=20 it was suggested that he might have some ideas for other  areas a = cache=20 might be placed....
 
 
 
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C2EA5E.BA8810E0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Mar 15 05:04:42 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Loran Wilcox) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 22:04:42 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) References: <003a01c2ea34$7feaf9e0$4e10b83f@fishkiller> <001801c2ea97$55f3d680$0500a8c0@one> <001f01c2ea94$4f349260$5400b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: <004001c2eab0$63ae34a0$0500a8c0@one> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C2EA75.B71560E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageWyle only let me claim it for a day. If I had been able to stay = in the area who knows. The hard part is seeing all the new caches in the = are and knowing I can't get to them. Plus the fact that the closest = caches to me are over 25 miles and growing. At last count there where = just over 100 within 20 miles of my old house in Chandler.=20 But non the less I'm still addicted and hope to break 800 this weekend . = The quantity just isn't here like it was in Phoenix. =20 I understand now how those of you down in the Tucson area fill. With = that I'll add my congratulation to MY Blue Heaven for breaking into the = top 25 in Arizona. I know it wasn't easy. Loran (Team Sand Dollar) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Regan Smith=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) and you held #1 for how long?? :) Evil Grin ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Loran Wilcox=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) I'm Addicted. Team Sand Dollar ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Regan Smith=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:17 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) GEOCACHING IS NOT AN ADDICTION IT IS A WAY OF LIFE!!!!!! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bell, Robert=20 To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com'=20 Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:53 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) I was trying!! =20 It's Regans fault. We reinfected Larry at the breakfast last = week in Gilbert. The fevers back! It is good to see you back Larry!...(although maybe not so = MUCH.....) Rob, Team CHUMP AKA "Number 2" -----Original Message----- From: Bill Tomlinson [mailto:billtomlinson@qwest.net] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 13:17 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) And how! Not just overtaken, but blew the doors off. Smooth = move, Wyle E. You guys at the top have got to knock off this rivalry or us = newbies will never be able to catch up. ;-) Speaking of which, be = watching for another big day from teams TheWebbman and CacheLess. Now I = hope I didn't just jinx us. CacheLess Bill -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com = [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = Brian Casteel Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 10:03 AM To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) As I had stated before, watch what happens when Wyle E is = dethroned. He becomes motivated to retake his place, and has done so. Congrats again to Larry & Co. for finding themselves once = again, in the number one position. Brian Team A.I. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C2EA75.B71560E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Wyle only let me claim it for a day. If = I had been=20 able to stay in the area who knows. The hard part is seeing all the new = caches=20 in the are and knowing I can't get to them. Plus the fact that the = closest=20 caches to me are over 25 miles and growing.  At last count there = where just=20 over 100 within 20 miles of my old house in Chandler.
 
But non the less I'm still addicted and = hope to=20 break 800 this weekend . The quantity just isn't here like it was = in=20 Phoenix. 
 
I understand now how those of you down = in the=20 Tucson area fill.  With that I'll add my congratulation to MY = Blue=20 Heaven for breaking into the top 25 in Arizona. I know it wasn't=20 easy.
 
Loran (Team Sand Dollar)
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Regan=20 Smith
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 = 6:43=20 PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = New Leader=20 (again)

and you held #1 for how long?? :) = Evil=20 Grin
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Loran Wilcox
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 = 7:05=20 PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = New Leader=20 (again)

I'm Addicted.
 
Team Sand Dollar
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Regan=20 Smith
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
Sent: Friday, March 14, = 2003 7:17=20 AM
Subject: Re: = [Az-Geocaching] New=20 Leader (again)

 
 
GEOCACHING IS NOT = AN ADDICTION=20 IT IS A WAY OF LIFE!!!!!!
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Bell, Robert
To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com'=20
Sent: Thursday, March 13, = 2003 5:53=20 PM
Subject: RE: = [Az-Geocaching] New=20 Leader (again)

I was trying!!  
It's Regans fault.  We reinfected Larry at the = breakfast=20 last week in Gilbert.
The fevers back!
 
It is good to see you = back=20 Larry!...(although maybe not so=20 MUCH.....<grin>)
 
Rob, Team CHUMP
AKA "Number 2"
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill = Tomlinson=20 [mailto:billtomlinson@qwest.net]
Sent: Thursday, = March 13,=20 2003 13:17
To: = listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject:=20 RE: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again)

And how!  Not just overtaken, but blew the doors = off.  Smooth move, Wyle E.
 
You guys at the top have got to knock off this = rivalry or us=20 newbies will never be able to catch up.  ;-)   = Speaking=20 of which, be watching for another big day from teams = TheWebbman and=20 CacheLess.  Now I hope I didn't just jinx = us.
 
CacheLess
Bill
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On = Behalf=20 Of Brian Casteel
Sent: Thursday, March 13, = 2003 10:03=20 AM
To:=20 az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com
Subject:=20 [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again)

As I had stated before, = watch what=20 happens when Wyle E is dethroned.  He becomes motivated = to=20 retake his place, and has done so.
 
Congrats again to Larry = & Co. for=20 finding themselves once again, in the number one=20 position.
 
Brian
Team=20 = A.I.
------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C2EA75.B71560E0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Mar 15 03:38:27 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (WOLFB8) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:38:27 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) References: <003a01c2ea34$7feaf9e0$4e10b83f@fishkiller> <001801c2ea97$55f3d680$0500a8c0@one> <001f01c2ea94$4f349260$5400b83f@fishkiller> <004001c2eab0$63ae34a0$0500a8c0@one> Message-ID: <009f01c2eaa4$b9bb6f40$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009C_01C2EA69.AAB13100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Messagehey Loren=20 just wondering how much is gas up there????? We will be known by the tracks we leave behind ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Loran Wilcox=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) Wyle only let me claim it for a day. If I had been able to stay in the = area who knows. The hard part is seeing all the new caches in the are = and knowing I can't get to them. Plus the fact that the closest caches = to me are over 25 miles and growing. At last count there where just = over 100 within 20 miles of my old house in Chandler.=20 But non the less I'm still addicted and hope to break 800 this weekend = . The quantity just isn't here like it was in Phoenix. =20 I understand now how those of you down in the Tucson area fill. With = that I'll add my congratulation to MY Blue Heaven for breaking into the = top 25 in Arizona. I know it wasn't easy. Loran (Team Sand Dollar) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Regan Smith=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) and you held #1 for how long?? :) Evil Grin ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Loran Wilcox=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) I'm Addicted. Team Sand Dollar ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Regan Smith=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:17 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) GEOCACHING IS NOT AN ADDICTION IT IS A WAY OF LIFE!!!!!! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bell, Robert=20 To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com'=20 Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:53 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) I was trying!! =20 It's Regans fault. We reinfected Larry at the breakfast last = week in Gilbert. The fevers back! It is good to see you back Larry!...(although maybe not so = MUCH.....) Rob, Team CHUMP AKA "Number 2" -----Original Message----- From: Bill Tomlinson [mailto:billtomlinson@qwest.net] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 13:17 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) And how! Not just overtaken, but blew the doors off. = Smooth move, Wyle E. You guys at the top have got to knock off this rivalry or us = newbies will never be able to catch up. ;-) Speaking of which, be = watching for another big day from teams TheWebbman and CacheLess. Now I = hope I didn't just jinx us. CacheLess Bill -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com = [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = Brian Casteel Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 10:03 AM To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) As I had stated before, watch what happens when Wyle E is = dethroned. He becomes motivated to retake his place, and has done so. Congrats again to Larry & Co. for finding themselves once = again, in the number one position. Brian Team A.I. ------=_NextPart_000_009C_01C2EA69.AAB13100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
hey Loren
just wondering how much is gas up=20 there?????
 
 
We will be known by the tracks we leave behind
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Loran Wilcox
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 = 10:04=20 PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = New Leader=20 (again)

Wyle only let me claim it for a day. = If I had=20 been able to stay in the area who knows. The hard part is seeing all = the new=20 caches in the are and knowing I can't get to them. Plus the fact that = the=20 closest caches to me are over 25 miles and growing.  At last = count there=20 where just over 100 within 20 miles of my old house in Chandler. =
 
But non the less I'm still addicted = and hope to=20 break 800 this weekend . The quantity just isn't here like it was = in=20 Phoenix. 
 
I understand now how those of you = down in the=20 Tucson area fill.  With that I'll add my congratulation to = MY Blue=20 Heaven for breaking into the top 25 in Arizona. I know it wasn't=20 easy.
 
Loran (Team Sand Dollar)
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Regan=20 Smith
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 = 6:43=20 PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = New Leader=20 (again)

and you held #1 for how long?? :) = Evil=20 Grin
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Loran Wilcox
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
Sent: Friday, March 14, = 2003 7:05=20 PM
Subject: Re: = [Az-Geocaching] New=20 Leader (again)

I'm Addicted.
 
Team Sand Dollar
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Regan Smith
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
Sent: Friday, March 14, = 2003 7:17=20 AM
Subject: Re: = [Az-Geocaching] New=20 Leader (again)

 
 
GEOCACHING IS = NOT AN=20 ADDICTION IT IS A WAY OF LIFE!!!!!!
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Bell, Robert =
To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com'=20
Sent: Thursday, March = 13, 2003=20 5:53 PM
Subject: RE: = [Az-Geocaching] New=20 Leader (again)

I was trying!!  
It's Regans fault.  We reinfected Larry at the = breakfast=20 last week in Gilbert.
The fevers back!
 
It is=20 good to see you back Larry!...(although maybe not so=20 MUCH.....<grin>)
 
Rob, Team CHUMP
AKA "Number 2"
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill = Tomlinson=20 [mailto:billtomlinson@qwest.net]
Sent: Thursday, = March 13,=20 2003 13:17
To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: RE: = [Az-Geocaching] New=20 Leader (again)

And how!  Not just overtaken, but blew the = doors=20 off.  Smooth move, Wyle E.
 
You guys at the top have got to knock off this = rivalry or us=20 newbies will never be able to catch up.  = ;-)  =20 Speaking of which, be watching for another big day from = teams=20 TheWebbman and CacheLess.  Now I hope I didn't just = jinx=20 us.
 
CacheLess
Bill
-----Original=20 Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] = On=20 Behalf Of Brian Casteel
Sent: Thursday, = March 13,=20 2003 10:03 AM
To:=20 az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com
Subject: = [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again)

As I had stated before, = watch what=20 happens when Wyle E is dethroned.  He becomes = motivated to=20 retake his place, and has done so.
 
Congrats again to Larry = & Co. for=20 finding themselves once again, in the number one=20 position.
 
Brian
Team=20 = A.I.
------=_NextPart_000_009C_01C2EA69.AAB13100-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Mar 15 06:22:30 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Loran Wilcox) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 23:22:30 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) References: <003a01c2ea34$7feaf9e0$4e10b83f@fishkiller> <001801c2ea97$55f3d680$0500a8c0@one> <001f01c2ea94$4f349260$5400b83f@fishkiller> <004001c2eab0$63ae34a0$0500a8c0@one> <009f01c2eaa4$b9bb6f40$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <004e01c2eabb$42080140$0500a8c0@one> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C2EA80.9576CEA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageHi Libby too much. regular bounces between 165 and 179. Loran ----- Original Message -----=20 From: WOLFB8=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) hey Loren=20 just wondering how much is gas up there????? We will be known by the tracks we leave behind ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Loran Wilcox=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) Wyle only let me claim it for a day. If I had been able to stay in = the area who knows. The hard part is seeing all the new caches in the = are and knowing I can't get to them. Plus the fact that the closest = caches to me are over 25 miles and growing. At last count there where = just over 100 within 20 miles of my old house in Chandler.=20 But non the less I'm still addicted and hope to break 800 this = weekend . The quantity just isn't here like it was in Phoenix. =20 I understand now how those of you down in the Tucson area fill. = With that I'll add my congratulation to MY Blue Heaven for breaking into = the top 25 in Arizona. I know it wasn't easy. Loran (Team Sand Dollar) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Regan Smith=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) and you held #1 for how long?? :) Evil Grin ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Loran Wilcox=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) I'm Addicted. Team Sand Dollar ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Regan Smith=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:17 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) GEOCACHING IS NOT AN ADDICTION IT IS A WAY OF LIFE!!!!!! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bell, Robert=20 To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com'=20 Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:53 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) I was trying!! =20 It's Regans fault. We reinfected Larry at the breakfast = last week in Gilbert. The fevers back! It is good to see you back Larry!...(although maybe not so = MUCH.....) Rob, Team CHUMP AKA "Number 2" -----Original Message----- From: Bill Tomlinson [mailto:billtomlinson@qwest.net] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 13:17 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) And how! Not just overtaken, but blew the doors off. = Smooth move, Wyle E. You guys at the top have got to knock off this rivalry or = us newbies will never be able to catch up. ;-) Speaking of which, be = watching for another big day from teams TheWebbman and CacheLess. Now I = hope I didn't just jinx us. CacheLess Bill -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com = [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = Brian Casteel Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 10:03 AM To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) As I had stated before, watch what happens when Wyle E = is dethroned. He becomes motivated to retake his place, and has done = so. Congrats again to Larry & Co. for finding themselves = once again, in the number one position. Brian Team A.I. ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C2EA80.9576CEA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Hi Libby
 
too much. regular bounces between 165 = and=20 179.
 
Loran
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 WOLFB8 =
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 = 8:38=20 PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = New Leader=20 (again)

hey Loren
just wondering how much is gas up=20 there?????
 
 
We will be known by the tracks we leave behind
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Loran Wilcox
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 = 10:04=20 PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = New Leader=20 (again)

Wyle only let me claim it for a = day. If I had=20 been able to stay in the area who knows. The hard part is seeing all = the new=20 caches in the are and knowing I can't get to them. Plus the fact = that the=20 closest caches to me are over 25 miles and growing.  At last = count=20 there where just over 100 within 20 miles of my old house in = Chandler.=20
 
But non the less I'm still addicted = and hope to=20 break 800 this weekend . The quantity just isn't here like it = was in=20 Phoenix. 
 
I understand now how those of you = down in the=20 Tucson area fill.  With that I'll add my congratulation to = MY Blue=20 Heaven for breaking into the top 25 in Arizona. I know it wasn't=20 easy.
 
Loran (Team Sand = Dollar)
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Regan=20 Smith
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
Sent: Friday, March 14, = 2003 6:43=20 PM
Subject: Re: = [Az-Geocaching] New=20 Leader (again)

and you held #1 for how long?? :) = Evil=20 Grin
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Loran Wilcox =
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
Sent: Friday, March 14, = 2003 7:05=20 PM
Subject: Re: = [Az-Geocaching] New=20 Leader (again)

I'm Addicted.
 
Team Sand Dollar
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Regan Smith
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
Sent: Friday, March 14, = 2003 7:17=20 AM
Subject: Re: = [Az-Geocaching] New=20 Leader (again)

 
 
GEOCACHING IS = NOT AN=20 ADDICTION IT IS A WAY OF LIFE!!!!!!
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Bell, Robert =
To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com'=20
Sent: Thursday, March = 13, 2003=20 5:53 PM
Subject: RE: = [Az-Geocaching]=20 New Leader (again)

I was trying!!  
It's Regans fault.  We reinfected Larry at the = breakfast=20 last week in Gilbert.
The fevers back!
 
It is=20 good to see you back Larry!...(although maybe not so=20 MUCH.....<grin>)
 
Rob, Team CHUMP
AKA "Number 2"
 
-----Original = Message-----
From: Bill=20 Tomlinson [mailto:billtomlinson@qwest.net]
Sent: = Thursday, March 13, 2003 13:17
To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: RE: = [Az-Geocaching]=20 New Leader (again)

And how!  Not just overtaken, but blew the = doors=20 off.  Smooth move, Wyle E.
 
You guys at the top have got to knock off this = rivalry or=20 us newbies will never be able to catch up.  = ;-)  =20 Speaking of which, be watching for another big day from = teams=20 TheWebbman and CacheLess.  Now I hope I didn't just = jinx=20 us.
 
CacheLess
Bill
-----Original=20 Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] = On=20 Behalf Of Brian Casteel
Sent: Thursday, = March 13,=20 2003 10:03 AM
To:=20 = az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com
Subject:=20 [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again)

As I had stated before, = watch what=20 happens when Wyle E is dethroned.  He becomes = motivated to=20 retake his place, and has done so.
 
Congrats again to Larry = & Co.=20 for finding themselves once again, in the number one=20 position.
 
Brian
Team=20 = A.I.
------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C2EA80.9576CEA0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Mar 15 05:01:14 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 22:01:14 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) In-Reply-To: <004001c2eab0$63ae34a0$0500a8c0@one> References: <003a01c2ea34$7feaf9e0$4e10b83f@fishkiller> <001801c2ea97$55f3d680$0500a8c0@one> <001f01c2ea94$4f349260$5400b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030314215912.0293a8e8@mail.myblueheaven.com> --=====================_1571559==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:04 PM 3/14/2003 -0700, you wrote: >I understand now how those of you down in the Tucson area fill. With that >I'll add my congratulation to MY Blue Heaven for breaking into the top 25 >in Arizona. I know it wasn't easy. Thanks. We peaked at 23 for a couple weeks, but it looks like we might fall back to the second page unless we get out and find some. I spent 3 weeks in Idaho about a month ago and while I found a lot of caches in Utah, Idaho, Montana and Washington, that doesn't do much to add to the Arizona find count. Even if we fall back a little, we will find time real soon to find more, and atleast we know that we were there for awhile. As for it being easy, not really, but it sure what a lot of fun! In liberty, Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com --=====================_1571559==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 10:04 PM 3/14/2003 -0700, you wrote:

I understand now how those of you down in the Tucson area fill.  With that I'll add my congratulation to MY Blue Heaven for breaking into the top 25 in Arizona. I know it wasn't easy.

Thanks.  We peaked at 23 for a couple weeks, but it looks like we might fall back to the second page unless we get out and find some.

I spent 3 weeks in Idaho about a month ago and while I found a lot of caches in Utah, Idaho, Montana and Washington, that doesn't do much to add to the Arizona find count.

Even if we fall back a little, we will find time real soon to find more, and atleast we know that we were there for awhile.

As for it being easy, not really, but it sure what a lot of fun!


In liberty,

Scott

wood@myblueheaven.com
--=====================_1571559==_.ALT-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Mar 16 01:36:18 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bill Tomlinson) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 18:36:18 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] How are AZ caches determined? In-Reply-To: <00b301c2ea36$1d09a4a0$4e10b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: <009301c2eb5c$71802fa0$697ba8c0@qwest.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0094_01C2EB21.C522DE40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I found an out situation that appears to be an azgeocaching bug. Am I missing something? TheWebbman and I did a Tucson run yesterday. We hit = 44 caches in total, including a couple along the interstate between Phoenix = and Tucson as well as a few in the West valley. Here are the two oddities I noted. First, all of the caches are in Arizona. Most are traditional = with a few being virtual, but all have physical coordinates well within AZ. = Even so, some were marked as out of state on azgeocaching. Odder still, even though we hit all of the same caches, four of mine were tagged as out of state, while five were so marked for TheWebbman. Doesn't makes sense. = I haven't yet compared the lists to see which caches didn't make the AZ = site. =20 Does anyone have any thoughts? ------=_NextPart_000_0094_01C2EB21.C522DE40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
I=20 found an out situation that appears to be an azgeocaching = bug.  Am I=20 missing something?  TheWebbman and I did a Tucson run = yesterday. =20 We hit 44 caches in total, including a couple along the interstate = between=20 Phoenix and Tucson as well as a few in the West valley.  Here are = the two=20 oddities I noted.  First, all of the caches are in Arizona.  = Most are=20 traditional with a few being virtual, but all have physical coordinates = well=20 within AZ.  Even so, some were marked as out of state on=20 azgeocaching.  Odder still, even though we hit all of the same = caches, four=20 of mine were tagged as out of state, while five were so marked for=20 TheWebbman.  Doesn't makes sense.  I haven't yet compared the = lists to=20 see which caches didn't make the AZ site.
 
Does=20 anyone have any thoughts?
------=_NextPart_000_0094_01C2EB21.C522DE40-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Mar 16 06:05:28 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Tim Giron) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 23:05:28 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] How are AZ caches determined? In-Reply-To: <009301c2eb5c$71802fa0$697ba8c0@qwest.net> References: <009301c2eb5c$71802fa0$697ba8c0@qwest.net> Message-ID: --============_-1164327761==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >I found an out situation that appears to be an azgeocaching bug. Am >I missing something? TheWebbman and I did a Tucson run yesterday. >We hit 44 caches in total, including a couple along the interstate >between Phoenix and Tucson as well as a few in the West valley. >Here are the two oddities I noted. First, all of the caches are in >Arizona. Most are traditional with a few being virtual, but all >have physical coordinates well within AZ. Even so, some were marked >as out of state on azgeocaching. Odder still, even though we hit >all of the same caches, four of mine were tagged as out of state, >while five were so marked for TheWebbman. Doesn't makes sense. I >haven't yet compared the lists to see which caches didn't make the >AZ site. > >Does anyone have any thoughts? If memory serves, "members only" caches are considered "out of state" by the azgeocaching site and I know there are a few of those down in Tucson. As far as the discrepancy between you and The Webbman, it looks like that is actually due to the timing of your log entries. Were you perhaps entering them very late on Friday night and got into the cutoff time when the azgeocaching data pull run started? If that is the case, your numbers should square up to each other after tonight's run. BTW, congrats to both of you on your 2 marathon runs in the last couple of weeks. I understand from talking to The Webbman at the breakfast event that you are using some cool tech to optimize your routes between caches. Tim Team AZFastFeet --============_-1164327761==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: [Az-Geocaching] How are AZ caches determined?
I found an out situation that appears to be an azgeocaching bug.  Am I missing something?  TheWebbman and I did a Tucson run yesterday.  We hit 44 caches in total, including a couple along the interstate between Phoenix and Tucson as well as a few in the West valley.  Here are the two oddities I noted.  First, all of the caches are in Arizona.  Most are traditional with a few being virtual, but all have physical coordinates well within AZ.  Even so, some were marked as out of state on azgeocaching.  Odder still, even though we hit all of the same caches, four of mine were tagged as out of state, while five were so marked for TheWebbman.  Doesn't makes sense.  I haven't yet compared the lists to see which caches didn't make the AZ site.
 
Does anyone have any thoughts?

If memory serves, "members only" caches are considered "out of state" by the azgeocaching site and I know there are a few of those down in Tucson.  As far as the discrepancy between you and The Webbman, it looks like that is actually due to the timing of your log entries.  Were you perhaps entering them very late on Friday night and got into the cutoff time when the azgeocaching data pull run started?  If that is the case, your numbers should square up to each other after tonight's run.

BTW, congrats to both of you on your 2 marathon runs in the last couple of weeks.  I understand from talking to The Webbman at the breakfast event that you are using some cool tech to optimize your routes between caches.

Tim
Team AZFastFeet
--============_-1164327761==_ma============-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Mar 16 17:13:05 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 10:13:05 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] How are AZ caches determined? In-Reply-To: <009301c2eb5c$71802fa0$697ba8c0@qwest.net> References: <009301c2eb5c$71802fa0$697ba8c0@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3E74B0A1.5090803@Snaptek.com> Bill Tomlinson wrote: >I found an out situation that appears to be an azgeocaching bug. Am I >missing something? TheWebbman and I did a Tucson run yesterday. We hit 44 >caches in total, including a couple along the interstate between Phoenix and >Tucson as well as a few in the West valley. Here are the two oddities I >noted. First, all of the caches are in Arizona. Most are traditional with >a few being virtual, but all have physical coordinates well within AZ. Even >so, some were marked as out of state on azgeocaching. Odder still, even >though we hit all of the same caches, four of mine were tagged as out of >state, while five were so marked for TheWebbman. Doesn't makes sense. I >haven't yet compared the lists to see which caches didn't make the AZ site. > > AZ Caches are determined by what geocaching.com says are arizona caches. There are some things that effect if they are actually in arizona or not. The person placing the cache can screw up and say that it's in one state and have it actually be in another, or it can be a locationless cache that was started in another state, or was in out state and moved on. There there are minor quirks that effect when showing up right away... The previously mentioned update cycles can make you have to wait 24 hours to see the new caches show up (we only crawl once a day to minimize the impact on the official site), logging an archived cache can also make you have to wait, as well as a cache getting archived doesn't always get put into the "archived" section of azgeocaching right away. Updates to the official site that involve changes to the actual working of the site tend to really screw things up. The there are just plain bugs... although we havent seen any of those in a while, and we havent made any changes in a while, that doesn't rule out their existance, but I doubt a bug in the site is the cause of your missing caches... it's more likely to be one of the previous examples. It's hard work keeping up with the official site.... lucky for me that Jeremy hasn't made any changes to the official site in the last few months. It has really been a blessing since I have been extremely short handed at work over the same time period. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Mar 16 17:55:04 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 10:55:04 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] How are AZ caches determined? In-Reply-To: <3E74B0A1.5090803@Snaptek.com> Message-ID: <000601c2ebe5$2db21980$6401a8c0@DESKTOP> > It's hard work keeping up with the official site.... lucky for me that > Jeremy hasn't made any changes to the official site in the last few > months. It has really been a blessing since I have been extremely short > handed at work over the same time period. At the risk of being the bearer of bad tidings, there haven't been any changes to the official site for awhile because there's a major (".net") revision of geocaching.com in the works for April or May. Steve Team Tierra Buena From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Mar 16 18:05:49 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bill Tomlinson) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 11:05:49 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] How are AZ caches determined? In-Reply-To: <3E74B0A1.5090803@Snaptek.com> Message-ID: <00ac01c2ebe6$acea5900$697ba8c0@qwest.net> Thanks Brian and thanks Tim for your earlier response. I'm aware of all of those issues. I would have waited a day for those to clear up, but this was a bit more odd. Why would one of us get AZ credit for a cache and not the other. Also, those caches had all been logged by other recently and were AZ. TheWebbman did have four others that weren't in before the crawl but I didn't include those in my question. I was just curious. Unfortunately, now I'm even more curious because after this mornings crawl, those caches that were marked as out of state are now marked AZ (I no longer have 4 out of state finds). BTW, Brian, speaking of site updates, any idea what havoc the new .net version of geocaching.com is going to cause you? I know they were planning on separating out the locationless due to the number crunch. I assume they'll be rolling that out soon since numbers are almost used up. I'm sure a number of us would be willing to help update azgeocaching.com. Thanks again, CacheLess Bill Tomlinson -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Brian Cluff Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 10:13 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] How are AZ caches determined? Bill Tomlinson wrote: >I found an out situation that appears to be an azgeocaching bug. Am I >missing something? TheWebbman and I did a Tucson run yesterday. We >hit 44 caches in total, including a couple along the interstate between >Phoenix and Tucson as well as a few in the West valley. Here are the >two oddities I noted. First, all of the caches are in Arizona. Most >are traditional with a few being virtual, but all have physical >coordinates well within AZ. Even so, some were marked as out of state >on azgeocaching. Odder still, even though we hit all of the same >caches, four of mine were tagged as out of state, while five were so >marked for TheWebbman. Doesn't makes sense. I haven't yet compared >the lists to see which caches didn't make the AZ site. > > AZ Caches are determined by what geocaching.com says are arizona caches. There are some things that effect if they are actually in arizona or not. The person placing the cache can screw up and say that it's in one state and have it actually be in another, or it can be a locationless cache that was started in another state, or was in out state and moved on. There there are minor quirks that effect when showing up right away... The previously mentioned update cycles can make you have to wait 24 hours to see the new caches show up (we only crawl once a day to minimize the impact on the official site), logging an archived cache can also make you have to wait, as well as a cache getting archived doesn't always get put into the "archived" section of azgeocaching right away. Updates to the official site that involve changes to the actual working of the site tend to really screw things up. The there are just plain bugs... although we havent seen any of those in a while, and we havent made any changes in a while, that doesn't rule out their existance, but I doubt a bug in the site is the cause of your missing caches... it's more likely to be one of the previous examples. It's hard work keeping up with the official site.... lucky for me that Jeremy hasn't made any changes to the official site in the last few months. It has really been a blessing since I have been extremely short handed at work over the same time period. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Mar 16 18:18:16 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:18:16 +0000 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Fantastic Geocaching Vacation Message-ID: <200303161844.LAA29972@ns2.sequoia.net> My sincere thanks to the Phoenix area geocachers for providing me with the infrastructure for a fantastic geocaching vacation. Thanks to your efforts, I had a real blast. Loved the mix of urban (take the mind for a hike) and wilderness (take the body for a hike) caches that you have in the area. Felt like a kid in a candy store ... sooooo little time, and sooooo many caches. The short driving distance to about a bazillion caches was especially fantastic … a geocaching day in Illinois usually involves a three hundred mile round trip to Chicago. And also, thanks for the warm welcome you extended. I was fortunate to meet many of you at the breakfast event and many of you while out caching. It was great to talk to folks who enjoy this sport as much as you obviously do. Had the opportunity to personally thank Tres Hombres, Team Wyle E and Team CHUMP for the ideas (devious tricks) that were incorporated into caches I've hidden in Illinois. I really hate the hiding part of geocaching, but am excited about introducing the local cachers to the new hiding methods you're using ... probably be tarred and feathered for some of those ideas. Since you're too close to the situation, you might not of noticed that your deviousness quotation has drastically increased since last year. I thought Altoid boxes were pretty drastic last year ... but, tweezers and a magnifying glass? And, some of the camo jobs were really great ... several first time hiders were stumping the old timers. Wow! Thanks again, Tom (Jeepster) From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Mar 16 18:38:34 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (mike and gale jett) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:38:34 +0000 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] The Big Change at Geocaching.com Message-ID:

CacheLess wrote:

BTW, Brian, speaking of site updates, any idea what havoc the new .net version of geocaching.com is going to cause you? I know they were planning on separating out the locationless due to the number crunch. I assume they'll be rolling that out soon since numbers are almost used up. I'm sure a number of us would be willing to help update azgeocaching.com.

Now for my 2 cents:
 
I'm very computer illiterate so I wouldn't be much help at all but I just wanted to let you know how much we appreciate your hard work in keeping the azgeocaching website up and running. We will have complete patience for any  problems and delays your web site may experience as a result of the big change. Thank you for all of your work.

Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Mar 16 19:07:36 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 12:07:36 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] How are AZ caches determined? In-Reply-To: <00ac01c2ebe6$acea5900$697ba8c0@qwest.net> References: <00ac01c2ebe6$acea5900$697ba8c0@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3E74CB78.60007@Snaptek.com> Bill Tomlinson wrote: >I was just curious. Unfortunately, now I'm even more curious because after >this mornings crawl, those caches that were marked as out of state are now >marked AZ (I no longer have 4 out of state finds). > > AzGeocaching ONLY crawles arizona caches, so the way it determins out of state is to subtract the number of arizona caches it found for you from the highest number of total caches reported by geocaching.com... highest because they now vary per page because of the caching he is doing. Ironicaly that actually makes AzGeocaching.com more acurate when it comes to total cache counts :) So if it doesn't find a cache in arizona for you, but it is reported in some way on geocaching.com it just gets dumped into out of state finds. I suspect that Jeremy might have a bug in his page caching scheme that causes some pages to not be refreshed on time. >BTW, Brian, speaking of site updates, any idea what havoc the new .net >version of geocaching.com is going to cause you? I know they were planning >on separating out the locationless due to the number crunch. I assume >they'll be rolling that out soon since numbers are almost used up. I'm sure >a number of us would be willing to help update azgeocaching.com. > > I can't really say... he might convert the whole thing to .net and have it work exactly the same way as before. It is already partially converted to .net, and that already caused some problems. We'll just have to see. Jason had made a rather simple interface for parsing the web pages, so it will hopefully just be a mattch of some small tweeks and we'll be back in business. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Mar 16 19:41:16 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 11:41:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] What will be the next waypoint number after GCFFFF? Message-ID: <20030316194116.96657.qmail@web21107.mail.yahoo.com> --0-281700586-1047843676=:96009 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii know they were planning on separating out the locationless due to the number crunch. I assume they'll be rolling that out soon since numbers are almost used up. I'm sure a number of us would be willing to help update azgeocaching.com. What is going to happen when the numbers are used up? The waypoint of the most recent cache placed is GCE5C6. At the current rate of new cache placements (which is obviously going to increase as geocaching continues to add new adherents, and the weather gets warmer at higher latitudes and elevations), we should reach the cache with waypoint GCFFFF before the end of April. Then, what will Geocaching.com do to increase the number of waypoint numbers? Is it possible to add another digit, thereby making the next waypoint number GC10000? Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) --0-281700586-1047843676=:96009 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

know they were planning on separating out the locationless due to the number crunch.  I assume they'll be rolling that out soon since numbers are almost used up.  I'm sure a number of us would be willing to help update azgeocaching.com.

What is going to happen when the numbers are used up?  The waypoint of the most recent cache placed is GCE5C6.  At the current rate of new cache placements (which is obviously going to increase as geocaching continues to add new adherents, and the weather gets warmer at higher latitudes and elevations), we should reach the cache with waypoint GCFFFF before the end of April.

Then, what will Geocaching.com do to increase the number of waypoint numbers?  Is it possible to add another digit, thereby making the next waypoint number GC10000?

Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer)

--0-281700586-1047843676=:96009-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Mar 16 18:51:00 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 11:51:00 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] How are AZ caches determined? In-Reply-To: <00ac01c2ebe6$acea5900$697ba8c0@qwest.net> References: <3E74B0A1.5090803@Snaptek.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030316114934.02fff4a8@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 11:05 AM 3/16/2003 -0700, you wrote: >I'm aware of all of those issues. I would have waited a day for those to >clear up, but this was a bit more odd. Why would one of us get AZ credit >for a cache and not the other. Also, those caches had all been logged by >other recently and were AZ. TheWebbman did have four others that weren't in >before the crawl but I didn't include those in my question. I have noticed the same things as you and don't think it has anything really to do with timing of the crawl. If you look at ADOR's moving cache, it shows up as being fairly close to me when I look at the cache listings on the official site. When I download waypoints from azgeocaching it maps as being in Utah. There is also one that shows up in Texas but I don't remember which one off the top of my head. In liberty, Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Mar 16 21:34:18 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 14:34:18 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] What will be the next waypoint number after GCFFFF? In-Reply-To: <20030316194116.96657.qmail@web21107.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000c01c2ec03$cebcec60$6401a8c0@DESKTOP> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C2EBC9.226121A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What is going to happen when the numbers are used up? The waypoint of the most recent cache placed is GCE5C6. At the current rate of new cache placements (which is obviously going to increase as geocaching continues to add new adherents, and the weather gets warmer at higher latitudes and elevations), we should reach the cache with waypoint GCFFFF before the end of April. Then, what will Geocaching.com do to increase the number of waypoint numbers? Is it possible to add another digit, thereby making the next waypoint number GC10000? Not likely, as many older GPSRs can't handle waypoints more than of more than six characters. But here was the thinking from TPTB (The Powers That Be) at the end of last year. As I recollect from subsequent posts, they have pretty much gone forward with what's described in here. Pay particular attention to the posts from "Elias", as he's the one writing the code for geocaching.com: http://tinyurl.com/7l54. Steve Team Tierra Buena ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C2EBC9.226121A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

What is going to happen when the numbers are = used up?  The waypoint of the most recent cache placed is = GCE5C6.  At the current = rate of new cache placements (which is obviously going to increase as geocaching = continues to add new adherents, and the weather gets warmer at higher latitudes = and elevations), we should reach the cache with waypoint GCFFFF before the end of April.

Then, what = will Geocaching.com do to increase the number of waypoint numbers?  Is it possible to = add another digit, thereby making the next waypoint number GC10000?

 

Not likely, as many older GPSRs = can’t handle waypoints more than of more than six characters. But here was the thinking from TPTB (The Powers That Be) at the end of last year. As I = recollect from subsequent posts, they have pretty much gone forward with = what’s described in here. Pay particular attention to the posts from = “Elias”, as he’s the one writing the code for geocaching.com: = http://tinyurl.com/7l54.<= /span>

Steve
Team Tierra Buena

------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C2EBC9.226121A0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Mar 16 22:42:54 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 15:42:54 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] What will be the next waypoint number after GCFFFF? In-Reply-To: <000c01c2ec03$cebcec60$6401a8c0@DESKTOP> References: <000c01c2ec03$cebcec60$6401a8c0@DESKTOP> Message-ID: <3E74FDEE.9080001@Snaptek.com> Team Tierra Buena wrote: >Not likely, as many older GPSRs can't handle waypoints more than of more >than six characters. But here was the thinking from TPTB (The Powers >That Be) at the end of last year. As I recollect from subsequent posts, >they have pretty much gone forward with what's described in here. Pay >particular attention to the posts from "Elias", as he's the one writing >the code for geocaching.com: http://tinyurl.com/7l54. > A quick fix would be to switch to a base 36 numbering system (a thru z plus 0-9). It would be fairly trivial to either convert to this new numbering system, or make the new system fit inside the old system by looking for a number for a new record in the database, it that number is also representable as hex, then get add one and repete till you get a non-hex number. I also like the idea of breaking up the caches into categories. I would presonally do both. That would give you around 1,679,620 per catagory. That would last us much much longer than just spliting up the categories. By the time we run out of GC numbers again, I would think that it would be in the relm of possibilities to just do away with only having 6 digits to play with, since the base 36 number would give you 25.6 times the cache space we currently have. It should be good for at least 10 years.. and thats if they DON"T split up the caches. But thats what I would do.... Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Mar 16 22:51:02 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 15:51:02 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] How are AZ caches determined? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030316114934.02fff4a8@mail.myblueheaven.com> References: <3E74B0A1.5090803@Snaptek.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20030316114934.02fff4a8@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: <3E74FFD6.7090704@Snaptek.com> Scott Wood wrote: > I have noticed the same things as you and don't think it has anything > really to do with timing of the crawl. > > If you look at ADOR's moving cache, it shows up as being fairly close > to me when I look at the cache listings on the official site. When I > download waypoints from azgeocaching it maps as being in Utah. There > is also one that shows up in Texas but I don't remember which one off > the top of my head. Are you sure you are looking at the exact same cache? Ad0or has several moving caches, and one of them actually is in utah right now and has an almost identical name. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Mar 16 22:58:02 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 15:58:02 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] What will be the next waypoint number after GCFFFF? In-Reply-To: <3E74FDEE.9080001@Snaptek.com> Message-ID: <002101c2ec0f$80094170$6401a8c0@DESKTOP> > A quick fix would be to switch to a base 36 numbering system (a thru z > plus 0-9). That's pretty close to my understanding of what they're going to do. They're dropping some of the letters (such as I and O that might be confused with digits) so I think they're working from a base 31 or base 32. But yeah, that should hold them for a year or two... :-) > But thats what I would do.... Great minds think alike, I guess. Steve Team Tierra Buena From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Mar 16 23:31:22 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 16:31:22 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] What will be the next waypoint number after GCFFFF? In-Reply-To: <002101c2ec0f$80094170$6401a8c0@DESKTOP> References: <002101c2ec0f$80094170$6401a8c0@DESKTOP> Message-ID: <3E75094A.4050100@Snaptek.com> Team Tierra Buena wrote: >That's pretty close to my understanding of what they're going to do. >They're dropping some of the letters (such as I and O that might be >confused with digits) so I think they're working from a base 31 or base >32. But yeah, that should hold them for a year or two... :-) > Ah, I just skimmed the thread, and it didn't appear to mention it. >>But thats what I would do.... >> Actually I should have said... thats what I DID.. about a year of more ago, when someone first mentioned that there might be a problem, I threw together a "base, what ever the hell you want, converter", because I knew someday I would need to use it. Sounds like I'll have to modify it slightly to account of missing digits, but other than that it should work.... bring it on.. :) Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 17 00:27:44 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 17:27:44 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] How are AZ caches determined? In-Reply-To: <3E74FFD6.7090704@Snaptek.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030316114934.02fff4a8@mail.myblueheaven.com> <3E74B0A1.5090803@Snaptek.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20030316114934.02fff4a8@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030316172716.02912210@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 03:51 PM 3/16/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Are you sure you are looking at the exact same cache? Ad0or has several >moving caches, and one of them actually is in utah right now and has an >almost identical name. No, not really sure, but the one in Utah does download with my team file from azgeocaching. In liberty, Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 17 00:37:45 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 17:37:45 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] How are AZ caches determined? Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030316173113.0291c9f0@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 03:51 PM 3/16/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Are you sure you are looking at the exact same cache? Ad0or has several >moving caches, and one of them actually is in utah right now and has an >almost identical name. I just double checked and the three caches that seem to be in other states but still download with my azgeocaching data are GC45A5 which is Ador's Movie Cache #2 which shows as being in Utah, GC178C which is Far & Away and shows as being in New Mexico and GCE0CC which is Lee Creek and is in Arkansas. All of the web-pages for these caches seem to be correct, but for some reason they are still downloading with my team download information with I download the CSV text files. It isn't really that big of a deal, but figured that you should know about it. In liberty, Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 17 13:52:49 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Mike Ingoglia) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 06:52:49 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Personals References: <91.2b74f070.2b9ce850@aol.com> Message-ID: <81e201c2ec8c$7f928300$cf98a8c0@Mike> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_81DF_01C2EC51.D31E2730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Team Leaplab will take over "A Break in Education" as it's about 100 = yards from "The Kangaroo is Watching" and was the first cache we ever = did. ;-) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: PixceeDust@aol.com=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 11:56 AM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Personals DESPERATLY SEEKING NEW OWNERS Our mom is moving to Florida and is deserting us. Will someone adopt = us? We're pretty easy to take care of, don't require any food or water, = just an occassional quick maintainance. Since we're not related, we = don't mind going to different owners - heck we've never even met = eachother! Available caches for adoption are: Childs Play (regular) Ouch!! (regular) Lonely Manzanita (regular) Shock Johnson (micro) Varnum Rocks (micro) Put That In Your Pipe (regular) Got MIlk? (micro) A Break In Education (micro) ------=_NextPart_000_81DF_01C2EC51.D31E2730 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Team Leaplab will take over "A Break in = Education"=20 as it's about 100 yards from "The Kangaroo is Watching" and was the = first cache=20 we ever did.  ;-)
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DESPERATLY SEEKING = NEW=20 OWNERS

Our mom is moving to Florida and is deserting = us.  Will=20 someone adopt us?  We're pretty easy to take care of, don't = require any=20 food or water, just an occassional quick maintainance.  Since = we're not=20 related, we don't mind going to different owners - heck we've never = even met=20 eachother!

Available caches for adoption are:
Childs = Play =20 (regular)
Ouch!!  (regular)
Lonely Manzanita =20 (regular)
Shock Johnson  (micro)
Varnum Rocks  = (micro)
Put=20 That In Your Pipe  (regular)
Got MIlk?  (micro)
A = Break In=20 Education  = (micro)

------=_NextPart_000_81DF_01C2EC51.D31E2730-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 17 15:47:22 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:47:22 EST Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Personals Message-ID: <181.18610c94.2ba7480a@aol.com> --part1_181.18610c94.2ba7480a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Team Leaplab will take over "A Break in Education" as it's about 100 yards=20 from "The Kangaroo is Watching" and was the first cache we ever did.=A0 ;-) Sorry, that cache has already been adopted by Team Desert Sol. The only one= s=20 left are Lonley Manzanits, Put that in you Pie and GotMilk. Jessica Disney Fanatic --part1_181.18610c94.2ba7480a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Team Leaplab will take over "A Break in Education" as=20= it's about 100 yards from "The Kangaroo is Watching" and was the first cache= we ever did.=A0 ;-)



Sorry, that cache has already been adopted by Team Desert Sol.  The onl= y ones left are Lonley Manzanits, Put that in you Pie and GotMilk.

Jessica
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------=_Part_58056_1028138.1047916173215-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 17 04:11:17 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 21:11:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] How are AZ caches determined? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030316173113.0291c9f0@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 16 Mar 2003, Scott Wood wrote: > I just double checked and the three caches that seem to be in other states > but still download with my azgeocaching data are GC45A5 which is Ador's > Movie Cache #2 which shows as being in Utah, GC178C which is Far & Away and > shows as being in New Mexico and GCE0CC which is Lee Creek and is in Arkansas. OK... got them... the first 2 were stuck in the archived section... they must have passed though here at one time and either have actually gotten archived, or just moved into the archived section mistakenly. The 3rd one I think was mistaken listed as an arizona cache a few days ago, and it had an old crawled file still hanging around. All 3 of those should now be taken care of and shouldn't appear on your downloads starting tomorrow. Thanks for the details... Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 17 06:36:07 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Nicol) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 22:36:07 -0800 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] A new (AZ)geocache record??? Message-ID: March 16, 2003 -------------- Well, not sure if this is any kind of Arizona (or even national) record or anything, but it is a personal (team) record! Team Ropingthewind broke our record for most consecutive days with caches found. The prior record was 8 days straight. Well, today I gave in and ended the current team record of 41 consecutive days with caches found!!! The streak started on February 3rd and after the 9th day, I was quite happy to have beaten the previous record. 9 days doesnt seem like a lot... but look at your cache list and see how many days straight you have gone with a cache FOUND (It would be interesting to hear of others totals on this unofficial stat). You will likely see some small streaks of several days, but there are always days here and there you dont go caching. I have been caching since early January 2002 and after a year and 3 months of caching, I cant find very many streaks of any more than 3 or 4 or 5 days straight within my team specific stats. There is always a day or two here and there where I didnt go caching (or didnt find a cache). Well, the record continued and, well... it was hard to want to stop! I always made sure I got a cache find each day! Some days I got 8 or 9 caches on bigger caching days and some days I just squeeked in one. A few days ago... I almost didnt get any and then around 10 or 11pm, a new cache popped up and I ran out to find it and found it! :) The streak continued! However, today it just was not convenient. Today March 16th... it was raining all day and our planned caching trip to Four Peaks and surrounding area was not to be (I stayed home and enjoyed the NASCAR race, so all was not lost.. what a finish!!!!!!). I dont really have but a few caches left in the valley to get and they are pretty much on the NW or North side of town. I didnt really want to drive all the way up to the other side of town for 1 cache, especially considering gas is around $2.00 a gallon now! I enjoy caching, but gas prices are getting way too high these days and I have been consolidating my caching trips with jobs/business trips and errands and such. I will only drive a greater distance if I can get a good number of caches (10 or more or so). Anyways, with that.. I end our team record of most consecutive days with caches FOUND at 41 days!!! During these 41 days, I found 111 caches. Within this record streak, we also broke another team record of most caches found in a month! Our previous personal team record was 69 caches. In February, we found 80 caches. This record would have ended next weekend anyways as I will be in Albuquerque, NM for a competition and will not get any caches that Saturday (although we will likely get a couple caches on the way home as we drive thru the Show Low/Pinetop area). All in all, I am kinda glad to stop the streak. I have been planning on slowing down from caching until gas prices drop and only driving when I need to (I am a businessman (!) and I tend to watch where every dollar goes!). Although, I will still keep caching! (hey, it is a way of life! I am not addicted though!). :) :) :) Scott Team Ropingthewind Team RTW's official web page http://www.safwp.bravepages.com/geocaching.html _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 17 05:44:48 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Sparks) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 22:44:48 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: What will be the next waypoint number after GCFFFF? Message-ID: <3E7560D0.8060600@mchsi.com> Recently, highpointer postulated the following: >What is going to happen when the numbers are used up? The waypoint of the most recent cache placed is GCE5C6. At the current rate of new cache placements (which is obviously going to increase as geocaching continues to add new adherents, and the weather gets warmer at higher latitudes and elevations), we should reach the cache with waypoint GCFFFF before the end of April. > >Then, what will Geocaching.com do to increase the number of waypoint numbers? Is it possible to add another digit, thereby making the next waypoint number GC10000? > >Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) > to which Team Tierra Buena responded: >Not likely, as many older GPSRs can't handle waypoints more than of more >>than six characters. But here was the thinking from TPTB (The Powers >>That Be) at the end of last year. As I recollect from subsequent posts, >>they have pretty much gone forward with what's described in here. Pay >>particular attention to the posts from "Elias", as he's the one writing >>the code for geocaching.com: http://tinyurl.com/7l54. > which prompted this response from Team Snaptek: >A quick fix would be to switch to a base 36 numbering system (a thru z >plus 0-9). >It would be fairly trivial to either convert to this new numbering >system, or make the new system fit inside the old system by looking for >a number for a new record in the database, it that number is also >representable as hex, then get add one and repete till you get a non-hex >number. >I also like the idea of breaking up the caches into categories. I would >presonally do both. That would give you around 1,679,620 per catagory. > That would last us much much longer than just spliting up the >categories. By the time we run out of GC numbers again, I would think >that it would be in the relm of possibilities to just do away with only >having 6 digits to play with, since the base 36 number would give you >25.6 times the cache space we currently have. It should be good for at >least 10 years.. and thats if they DON"T split up the caches. > >But thats what I would do.... > >Brian Cluff >Team Snaptek > These sound like engineering solutions to a problem that seems relatively simple, to me. While I like the idea of separating cache types into MC, VC, etc. (ie. Multi-Cache and Virtual-Cache) I would think conversion to a base 36 numbering system as a 'quick fix' would create more havoc than it alleviates. For example, how do you handle all of the existing waypoints that would now be 'out of order' if placed within a _new_ numbering system? And what about the exclusion of those confusing letters and digits? (1's a I's and O's and 0's) As an (ex) software engineer, this seems to me like a programmer's nightmare. I'm not saying it couldn't be done; I'm just questioning whether it is the best solution for the amount of benefit gained. If it were me (and fortunately, it's not) I would very simply drop the 'C' from the GC designation and continue with the current hex numbering system. In other words, instead of GCF123, we would use G0F123. What is so sacred about the 'GC' prefix anyway? I could just as easily recognize a waypoint like G0F123 in my GPSr as a GeoCache and not the location of the million dollars in gold boullion I have buried in the desert (which I would designate MYGOLD or some such.) The base 36 numbering system described above is purported to increase the number of available cache designations by a factor of 25. But to do that, you have to completely change the numbering system and consequently the the code that handles and sorts the caches. By simply dropping the 'C' from the prefix, using the existing hexadecimal numbering system and (I assume) very minute, if any, changes in the software that handles it, you would increase the number of cache waypoints available by a factor 15. This seems to me like the most bang for the least buck; the highest return for the least amount of effort. And if you really want to get crazy, why not drop the 'G' from the GC number while you're at it. Thus, GCF123 would become 00F123. Again, do you really need the G to remind you that the 6 character waypoint in your GPS is a Geocache? By using six digits in a hex numbering system, you've now increased the number of possible waypoints by a factor of 255! That's a total of more than 16 million possible Geocaches! Enough to keep even the most addicted busy for a few years. Of course, you know, of those 16 million, 12 million would be micros in the greater metro Phoenix area. :-) Heck, the city(s) would have to build more parks and greenbelts! -- Sprocket From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 17 04:58:31 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Nicol) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:58:31 -0800 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] How are AZ caches determined? Message-ID: I just keep my caching numbers and data simple... I ONLY cache in Arizona. Therefore, if a cache in my team specific data shows up as out of state... something's wrong! :) (with the exception of a traveling cache that appeared in AZ about a year ago... I logged it. It is now in NY and shows up as NY. I found that cache when I first started caching. If I had known it would show up as out of state in my cache data... I wouldnt have gone for it!!!!!) Scott Team Ropingthewind _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 17 01:09:18 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:09:18 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Fantastic Geocaching Vacation References: <200303161844.LAA29972@ns2.sequoia.net> Message-ID: <003c01c2ec21$dfcfab00$6510b83f@fishkiller> I want to again add my thanks for your visit, They say timing is everything and just think if I wouldn't have been doing a coordfix for FRED, I would have completely missed your Snizzard attempt....much less the dimes in the register.. Regan the Fish of Team Evil Fish ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 11:18 AM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Fantastic Geocaching Vacation > My sincere thanks to the Phoenix area geocachers for providing me with the > infrastructure for a fantastic geocaching vacation. Thanks to your efforts, I > had a real blast. Loved the mix of urban (take the mind for a hike) and > wilderness (take the body for a hike) caches that you have in the area. Felt > like a kid in a candy store ... sooooo little time, and sooooo many caches. > The short driving distance to about a bazillion caches was especially fantastic > . a geocaching day in Illinois usually involves a three hundred mile round trip > to Chicago. > > And also, thanks for the warm welcome you extended. I was fortunate to meet > many of you at the breakfast event and many of you while out caching. It was > great to talk to folks who enjoy this sport as much as you obviously do. > > Had the opportunity to personally thank Tres Hombres, Team Wyle E and Team > CHUMP for the ideas (devious tricks) that were incorporated into caches I've > hidden in Illinois. I really hate the hiding part of geocaching, but am > excited about introducing the local cachers to the new hiding methods you're > using ... probably be tarred and feathered for some of those ideas. > > Since you're too close to the situation, you might not of noticed that your > deviousness quotation has drastically increased since last year. I thought > Altoid boxes were pretty drastic last year ... but, tweezers and a magnifying > glass? And, some of the camo jobs were really great ... several first time > hiders were stumping the old timers. Wow! > > Thanks again, > Tom (Jeepster) > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 17 02:49:27 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bill Tomlinson) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 19:49:27 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) In-Reply-To: <002601c2ea34$3dda2260$4e10b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: <000001c2ec2f$d3b137e0$697ba8c0@qwest.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2EBF5.27525FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can you re-phrase that? Sometimes I'm comprehension challenged. (I = mean, I don't get it) -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = Regan Smith Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:16 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) Will both of you be using the same GPS??? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bill Tomlinson=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 1:17 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) And how! Not just overtaken, but blew the doors off. Smooth move, Wyle = E. =20 You guys at the top have got to knock off this rivalry or us newbies = will never be able to catch up. ;-) Speaking of which, be watching for = another big day from teams TheWebbman and CacheLess. Now I hope I didn't just = jinx us. =20 CacheLess Bill -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = Brian Casteel Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 10:03 AM To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) As I had stated before, watch what happens when Wyle E is dethroned. He becomes motivated to retake his place, and has done so. =20 Congrats again to Larry & Co. for finding themselves once again, in the number one position. =20 Brian Team A.I. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2EBF5.27525FE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Can=20 you re-phrase that?  Sometimes I'm comprehension = challenged.   (I=20 mean, I don't get it)
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = Regan Smith
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:16 = AM
To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] New = Leader=20 (again)

Will both of you be using the same=20 GPS???
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bill=20 Tomlinson
Sent: Thursday, March 13, = 2003 1:17=20 PM
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] = New Leader=20 (again)

And how!  Not just overtaken, but blew the doors = off. =20 Smooth move, Wyle E.
 
You guys at the top have got to knock off this rivalry or = us newbies=20 will never be able to catch up.  ;-)   Speaking of = which, be=20 watching for another big day from teams TheWebbman and = CacheLess.  Now=20 I hope I didn't just jinx us.
 
CacheLess
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On = Behalf Of=20 Brian Casteel
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 10:03=20 AM
To:=20 az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com
Subject: = [Az-Geocaching]=20 New Leader (again)

As I had stated before, watch = what happens=20 when Wyle E is dethroned.  He becomes motivated to retake his = place,=20 and has done so.
 
Congrats again to Larry & Co. = for finding=20 themselves once again, in the number one position.
 
Brian
Team=20 A.I.
------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2EBF5.27525FE0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 17 16:07:45 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Chelby Geiss) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:07:45 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Personals In-Reply-To: <181.18610c94.2ba7480a@aol.com> Message-ID: <974D60E8-5892-11D7-B43E-000393545682@desertsol.com> Huh? Did I adopt "A Break in Education" in my sleep??? :) Hey, if you have me down...guess I'll take it! It's all good! Team desertSol Chelby & Kevin + Kiva and Lancer (German Shepherds) Apache Junction, AZ www.desertsol.com/~chelby/geocaching From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 17 16:18:52 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:18:52 EST Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Personals Message-ID: --part1_c.c750e0e.2ba74f6c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry Chelby, my mistake - it was adopted by Highwayhavoc. Jessica --part1_c.c750e0e.2ba74f6c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry Chelby, my mistake - it wa= s adopted by Highwayhavoc.

Jessica --part1_c.c750e0e.2ba74f6c_boundary-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 17 16:37:56 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Koch, Dan) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:37:56 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] A new (AZ)geocache record??? Message-ID: But of course, you're not in it for the numbers....right? ;) Seriously, though, that's quite the streak and it shows true addiction...uh, I mean dedication to the sport/hobby. Way to go, guys! LazyK - Dan -----Original Message----- From: Scott Nicol [mailto:arizcowboy@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 11:36 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] A new (AZ)geocache record??? March 16, 2003 -------------- Well, not sure if this is any kind of Arizona (or even national) record or anything, but it is a personal (team) record! Team Ropingthewind broke our record for most consecutive days with caches found. The prior record was 8 days straight. Well, today I gave in and ended the current team record of 41 consecutive days with caches found!!! The streak started on February 3rd and after the 9th day, I was quite happy to have beaten the previous record. 9 days doesnt seem like a lot... but look at your cache list and see how many days straight you have gone with a cache FOUND (It would be interesting to hear of others totals on this unofficial stat). You will likely see some small streaks of several days, but there are always days here and there you dont go caching. I have been caching since early January 2002 and after a year and 3 months of caching, I cant find very many streaks of any more than 3 or 4 or 5 days straight within my team specific stats. There is always a day or two here and there where I didnt go caching (or didnt find a cache). Well, the record continued and, well... it was hard to want to stop! I always made sure I got a cache find each day! Some days I got 8 or 9 caches on bigger caching days and some days I just squeeked in one. A few days ago... I almost didnt get any and then around 10 or 11pm, a new cache popped up and I ran out to find it and found it! :) The streak continued! However, today it just was not convenient. Today March 16th... it was raining all day and our planned caching trip to Four Peaks and surrounding area was not to be (I stayed home and enjoyed the NASCAR race, so all was not lost.. what a finish!!!!!!). I dont really have but a few caches left in the valley to get and they are pretty much on the NW or North side of town. I didnt really want to drive all the way up to the other side of town for 1 cache, especially considering gas is around $2.00 a gallon now! I enjoy caching, but gas prices are getting way too high these days and I have been consolidating my caching trips with jobs/business trips and errands and such. I will only drive a greater distance if I can get a good number of caches (10 or more or so). Anyways, with that.. I end our team record of most consecutive days with caches FOUND at 41 days!!! During these 41 days, I found 111 caches. Within this record streak, we also broke another team record of most caches found in a month! Our previous personal team record was 69 caches. In February, we found 80 caches. This record would have ended next weekend anyways as I will be in Albuquerque, NM for a competition and will not get any caches that Saturday (although we will likely get a couple caches on the way home as we drive thru the Show Low/Pinetop area). All in all, I am kinda glad to stop the streak. I have been planning on slowing down from caching until gas prices drop and only driving when I need to (I am a businessman (!) and I tend to watch where every dollar goes!). Although, I will still keep caching! (hey, it is a way of life! I am not addicted though!). :) :) :) Scott Team Ropingthewind Team RTW's official web page http://www.safwp.bravepages.com/geocaching.html _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 17 16:38:44 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bill Tomlinson) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:38:44 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] A new (AZ)geocache record??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003501c2eca3$ad5c58d0$697ba8c0@qwest.net> That's incredible, Scott! Talk about a marathon. My longest streaks are one each at 4 days, 5 days, and 6 days. CacheLess, Bill Tomlinson -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Scott Nicol Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 11:36 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] A new (AZ)geocache record??? March 16, 2003 -------------- Well, not sure if this is any kind of Arizona (or even national) record or anything, but it is a personal (team) record! Team Ropingthewind broke our record for most consecutive days with caches found. The prior record was 8 days straight. Well, today I gave in and ended the current team record of 41 consecutive days with caches found!!! The streak started on February 3rd and after the 9th day, I was quite happy to have beaten the previous record. 9 days doesnt seem like a lot... but look at your cache list and see how many days straight you have gone with a cache FOUND (It would be interesting to hear of others totals on this unofficial stat). You will likely see some small streaks of several days, but there are always days here and there you dont go caching. I have been caching since early January 2002 and after a year and 3 months of caching, I cant find very many streaks of any more than 3 or 4 or 5 days straight within my team specific stats. There is always a day or two here and there where I didnt go caching (or didnt find a cache). Well, the record continued and, well... it was hard to want to stop! I always made sure I got a cache find each day! Some days I got 8 or 9 caches on bigger caching days and some days I just squeeked in one. A few days ago... I almost didnt get any and then around 10 or 11pm, a new cache popped up and I ran out to find it and found it! :) The streak continued! However, today it just was not convenient. Today March 16th... it was raining all day and our planned caching trip to Four Peaks and surrounding area was not to be (I stayed home and enjoyed the NASCAR race, so all was not lost.. what a finish!!!!!!). I dont really have but a few caches left in the valley to get and they are pretty much on the NW or North side of town. I didnt really want to drive all the way up to the other side of town for 1 cache, especially considering gas is around $2.00 a gallon now! I enjoy caching, but gas prices are getting way too high these days and I have been consolidating my caching trips with jobs/business trips and errands and such. I will only drive a greater distance if I can get a good number of caches (10 or more or so). Anyways, with that.. I end our team record of most consecutive days with caches FOUND at 41 days!!! During these 41 days, I found 111 caches. Within this record streak, we also broke another team record of most caches found in a month! Our previous personal team record was 69 caches. In February, we found 80 caches. This record would have ended next weekend anyways as I will be in Albuquerque, NM for a competition and will not get any caches that Saturday (although we will likely get a couple caches on the way home as we drive thru the Show Low/Pinetop area). All in all, I am kinda glad to stop the streak. I have been planning on slowing down from caching until gas prices drop and only driving when I need to (I am a businessman (!) and I tend to watch where every dollar goes!). Although, I will still keep caching! (hey, it is a way of life! I am not addicted though!). :) :) :) Scott Team Ropingthewind Team RTW's official web page http://www.safwp.bravepages.com/geocaching.html _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 17 17:18:03 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jason Poulter) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:18:03 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] What will be the next waypoint number after GCFFFF? In-Reply-To: <20030316194116.96657.qmail@web21107.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030316194116.96657.qmail@web21107.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3E76034B.9090200@snaptek.com> just drop the dang GC from the waypoint name which is taking up a crap load of number spaces..... it could go way up to FFFFFF which is like 16,777,215 million caches!!!! would last a long freaking time!!!! and he wouldn't have to change anything!!! DUH!!!! jason ken@highpointer.com wrote: > /know they were planning on separating out the locationless due to the > number crunch. I assume they'll be rolling that out soon since numbers > are almost used up. I'm sure a number of us would be willing to help > update azgeocaching.com./ > > What is going to happen when the numbers are used up? The waypoint of > the most recent cache placed is *GCE5C6*. At the current rate of new > cache placements (which is obviously going to increase as geocaching > continues to add new adherents, and the weather gets warmer at higher > latitudes and elevations), we should reach the cache with waypoint > *GCFFFF* before the end of April. > > Then, what will Geocaching.com do to increase the number of waypoint > numbers? Is it possible to add another digit, thereby making the next > waypoint number *GC10000*? > > *Ken* (a.k.a. */Highpointer/*) > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 17 17:59:08 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RAND HARDIN) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:59:08 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] A new (AZ)geocache record??? Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C2EC74.3C2F75E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On March 17 at 10:50 a.m. RandMan responded to Scott: First, I want to congratulate you on your personal run of forty-one days.= Next, I don't think anyone who knows you believes you when you say that= you plan on slowing down from caching until gas prices drop. Scott, reg= ardless of what you think . . . you are an addict! I and everyone else k= nows that if a new cache opened up anywhere near the east valley that you= would be out the door - regardless of gas prices! You don't need to con= us with this, "hey, it's a way of life!" double-talk. We do understand,= Scott. We are there for you - as you for us! But you do need to take t= he first-step and admit your addiction though! Rand (RandMan) =20 On March 16, 2003, Scott, with "Roping The Wind" wrote: . . . Well, today I gave in and ended the current team record of 41 =20 consecutive days with caches found!!! . . . . . . . All in all, I am kinda glad to stop the streak. I have been plannin= g on slowing down from caching until gas prices drop and only driving whe= n I need to. Although, I will still keep caching! (hey, it is a way of li= fe! I am not addicted though!). :) :) :) Scott Team Ropingthewind _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? 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On March 17 at 10:50 a.m. R= andMan responded to Scott:
<= /U> 
First, I want to congratu= late you on your personal run of forty-one days.  Next, I don't thin= k anyone who knows you believes you when you say that you plan on slowing= down from caching until gas prices drop.  Scott, regardless of what= you think . . . you are an addict!  I and everyone else= knows that if a new cache opened up anywhere near the east val= ley that you would be out the door - regardless of gas prices!  You = don't need to con us with this, "hey, it's a way of life!" double-talk.&n= bsp; We do understand, Scott.  We are there for you - as you for us!=   But you do need to take the first-step and admit your addiction th= ough!
 
Rand (RandMan)   

On March 16= , 2003, Scott, with "Roping The Wind" wrote:

. . . Well, t= oday I gave in and ended the current team record of 41
consecutive da= ys with caches found!!! . . . .

. . . All in all, I am kinda glad = to stop the streak. I have been planning on slowing down from caching = until gas prices drop and only driving when I need to. Although, I wi= ll still keep caching! (hey, it is a way of life! I am not addicted th= ough!). :) :) :)

Scott
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------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C2EC74.3C2F75E0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 17 18:22:08 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Webb Pickersgill) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:22:08 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] What will be the next waypoint number after GCFFFF? In-Reply-To: <3E76034B.9090200@snaptek.com> Message-ID: <00b101c2ecb2$1f68a240$6501010a@pickersgill.local> Hello gang, I signed up with the listserv just a week ago and I've been watching the discussions about the new numbering. Although, I doubt my opinion counts for anything.. I'll give it anyway. I haven't really researched this topic yet, so I apologize in advance if these points have already been made. So, as the song goes: "I will dispense this advice, now:" I do development work, and often need to come up with identifier schemas that maximize the amount of possibilities as well as maintain a certain level of knowing what the item refers to, without having to know its full description. One possibility (type based identifier): I would reserve the first character for type of cache. Here are some examples: T=Traditional, L=Locationless, V=Virtual, M=Multi, U=Unkown etc. Then the remainder 5 characters could be used for ID. (Of course, you could dramatically increase the number of ID's by going with a base 31 as has been discussed.) If we later run out of space for T(raditional) cache numbers, you can simply assign a secondary character, say B. This would be similar how we used to only have 1-800 numbers, but we ran out, so now the prefix could be 800, 888, etc. Another possibility (location based identifier): Reserve the first 2 characters as location indicators: AZ, PA, TX (states) and CH, IL, DU, RU (countries, etc.) This does however unfairly limit the number of caches within a state or country. As we all know, AZ would probably need more numbers than RI. ;) Thanks, TheWebbman Webb Pickersgill From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 17 18:31:50 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Coyote1022) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:31:50 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] 12 steps of GA (Geocachers Anonymous) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C2EC78.CD965F90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1.. We admitted we were powerless over geocaching - that our lives had become unmanageable. 2.. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity. 3.. Decided to turn our will and our lives over to the care of AzGeocaching.com as we understood them. 4.. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of our own caches. 5.. Admitted to God, to ourselves and to another fellow geocacher the exact nature of our wrongs. 6.. Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character and senseless virtual caches. 7.. Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings and no finds. 8.. Made a list of all caches we have found and became willing to not look at the numbers, but only the experiences. 9.. Made direct amends about caches found only for a number count wherever possible, except when to do so would drop my position in the Arizona standings on AzGeocaching.com. 10.. Continued to post all caches found and when we didn't find one, promptly admitted it. 11.. Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our caching abilities without addictive behavior, praying only for knowledge of how to solve the tough ones and the power to carry that out. 12.. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to geocachers, and to practice these principles in all our affairs. Receive $5.00 just for signing up with PayPal. It's free and I've been using it for all my online purchases since June, 2000 https://www.paypal.com/refer/pal=FPD7ABB6HTC3A ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C2EC78.CD965F90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
  1. We admitted = we were=20 powerless over geocaching - that our lives had become=20 unmanageable.
  2. Came to believe that a Power = greater than=20 ourselves could restore us to sanity.
  3. Decided to turn our will and our = lives over=20 to the care of AzGeocaching.com as we understood = them.
  4. Made a = searching and=20 fearless moral inventory of our own caches.
  5. Admitted to God, to ourselves and = to=20 another fellow geocacher the exact nature of our wrongs.
  6. Were entirely ready to have God = remove all=20 these defects of character and senseless virtual caches.
  7. Humbly asked Him to remove our = shortcomings=20 and no finds.
  8. Made a list of all caches we have = found and=20 became willing to not look at the numbers, but only the=20 experiences.
  9. Made direct amends about caches = found only=20 for a number count wherever possible, except when to do so would drop = my=20 position in the Arizona standings on AzGeocaching.com.
  10. Continued to post all caches = found and when=20 we didn't find one, promptly admitted it.
  11. Sought = through prayer=20 and meditation  to improve our caching abilities without = addictive=20 behavior, praying only for knowledge of how to solve the tough ones = and the=20 power to carry that out.
  12. Having had a spiritual awakening = as the=20 result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to = geocachers, and=20 to practice these principles in all our affairs.
 
Receive $5.00 just for = signing up with=20 PayPal.  It's free and I've been using it for all my online=20 purchases since June, 2000
 
------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C2EC78.CD965F90-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 17 18:35:08 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Nicol) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:35:08 -0800 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] A new (AZ)geocache record??? Message-ID: An addiction?! I'll have you know, RandMan, I DID take the Sprocket 12-step program! :) Didnt help any apparently! All it did was feed my addiction! Cache'd for 18 more days straight after that! :) LOL hehehe! Scott Team Ropingthewind (RTW) http://www.safwp.bravepages.com/geocaching.html _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 17 18:46:39 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RAND HARDIN) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:46:39 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C2EC7A.DF41EC80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On March 17th at 11:40 a.m. RandMan responded with his interpretation of = Regan's question and thoughts: Bill, Didn't you read the fine print in the rules for the definition of what a = "team" is? If both you and "The Webbman" used the same GPSr to find all = of the 250+ caches that you found together, then you would be considered = a "team" and can only record your finds as a team (together). You cannot= both claim finds separately. Therefore, one of you will need to delete = all of the caches that you found together (which in turn will move everyo= ne up a point in the AZ stats) [:)] . [;-)] =20 Rand (RandMan) =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Tomlinson Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 9:06 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) Can you re-phrase that? Sometimes I'm comprehension challenged. (I mea= n, I don't get it) -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching= -admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Regan Smith Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:16 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) Will both of you be using the same GPS??? ----- Original Message ----- =20 From: Bill Tomlinson =20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =20 Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 1:17 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) You guys at the top have got to knock off this rivalry or us newbies will= never be able to catch up. ;-) Speaking of which, be watching for ano= ther big day from teams TheWebbman and CacheLess. Now I hope I didn't ju= st jinx us. CacheLess Bill ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C2EC7A.DF41EC80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On March 17th at 11:40 a.m. RandMan re= sponded with his interpretation of Regan's question and thoughts:
 
Bill,
 
Didn'= t you read the fine print in the rules for the definition of = what a "team" is?  If both you and "The Webbman" used the same = GPSr to find all of the 250+ caches that you found together, then you wou= ld be considered a "team" and can only record your finds as a team (= together).  You cannot both claim finds separately.  Therefore,= one of you will need to delete all of the caches that you found t= ogether (which in turn will move everyone up a point in the AZ = stats)  [:)] .   [;-)] 
 
= Rand (RandMan) 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Tomlinso= n
Sent: Monday, March 17, 20= 03 9:06 AM
To: listserv@azge= ocaching.com
Subject: RE: [A= z-Geocaching] New Leader (again)
 
Can y= ou re-phrase that?  Sometimes I'm comprehension challenged. &nb= sp; (I mean, I don't get it)
-----Ori= ginal Message-----
From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocach= ing.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Beha= lf Of Regan Smith
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:16 AM
<= B>To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching= ] New Leader (again)

Will both of you be using the same GPS???
----- Original Message -----
Sent:<= /B> Thursday, March 13, 2003 1:17 PM
 
<= /BLOCKQUOTE> ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C2EC7A.DF41EC80-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 17 19:19:26 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:19:26 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] How are AZ caches determined? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E761FBE.7070007@snaptek.com> Scott Nicol wrote: > I just keep my caching numbers and data simple... I ONLY cache in > Arizona. Therefore, if a cache in my team specific data shows up as out > of state... something's wrong! :) Well, I appreciate anyone that points out a weirdness on the system. My work has been eating up all my time recently, so I havent been able to notice things myself. ...and as usual, if anyone has something they would like to see on AzGeocaching.com, please feel free to ask. I might not be able to get to it right away, but I'll try to make everyone happy. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 17 19:20:50 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:20:50 EST Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Personals Message-ID: <90.341b4ad8.2ba77a12@aol.com> --part1_90.341b4ad8.2ba77a12_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Huh?=A0 Did I adopt=A0 "A Break in Education"=A0 in my sleep??? :) Hey, if you have me down...guess I'll take it!=A0 It's all good! Team desertSol Chelby & Kevin + Kiva and Lancer (German Shepherds) Apache Junction, AZ www.desertsol.com/~chelby/geocaching ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Lordy, lordy, lordy - I really should leave my e-mail alone when I'm on pain= =20 pills. Team Dash officially adopted A Break In Education - not Team Desert=20 Sol or Highwayhavoc. Yep, it's Team DaSH - I'm sure this time! Jessica Disney Fanatic --part1_90.341b4ad8.2ba77a12_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Huh?=A0 Did I adopt=A0 "A Break in Education"=A0 in my sleep??? :)
Hey, if you have me down...guess I'll take it!=A0 It's all good!

Team desertSol
Chelby & Kevin
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Lordy, lordy, lordy - I really should leave my e-mail alone when I'm on pain= pills.  Team Dash officially adopted A Break In Education - not Team D= esert Sol or Highwayhavoc.  Yep, it's Team DaSH - I'm sure this time!

Jessica
Disney Fanatic --part1_90.341b4ad8.2ba77a12_boundary-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 17 19:48:42 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:48:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Problems with location based identifier In-Reply-To: <200303171850.LAA03317@ns2.sequoia.net> Message-ID: <20030317194842.21818.qmail@web21108.mail.yahoo.com> --0-996748022-1047930522=:21812 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Another possibility (location based identifier): Reserve the first 2 characters as location indicators: AZ, PA, TX (states) and CH, IL, DU, RU (countries, etc.) This does however unfairly limit the number of caches within a state or country. As we all know, AZ would probably need more numbers than RI. ;) I don't think that will work very well. You have correctly pointed out that large states may use up their allotment of numbers relatively soon, while small states may never use up their allotment of numbers. For example, Colorado used to assign license plate numbers based on the county that the vehicle was registered in, but abandoned that policy because urban counties have populations over 100,000 and thus were using up their allotted numbers, whereas some rural counties have under 1,000 people and thus used only a small percentage of their alloted characters. Also, some countries codes you listed are the same as states - IL is also the abbreviation for Illinois, for example. Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) --0-996748022-1047930522=:21812 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Another possibility (location based identifier): Reserve the first 2 characters as location indicators: AZ, PA, TX (states)  and CH, IL, DU, RU (countries, etc.)  This does however unfairly limit the number of caches within a state or country.  As we all know, AZ would probably need more numbers than RI. ;)

I don't think that will work very well.   You have correctly pointed out that large states may use up their allotment of numbers relatively soon, while small states may never use up their allotment of numbers.  For example, Colorado used to assign license plate numbers based on the county that the vehicle was registered in, but abandoned that policy because urban counties have populations over 100,000 and thus were using up their allotted numbers, whereas some rural counties have under 1,000 people and thus used only a small percentage of their alloted characters.

Also, some countries codes you listed are the same as states - IL is also the abbreviation for Illinois, for example.

Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer)

--0-996748022-1047930522=:21812-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 17 20:34:51 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bill Tomlinson) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:34:51 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004901c2ecc4$a9995a60$697ba8c0@qwest.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C2EC89.FD3D8FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Truth be known, I did understand Regan's question, but I wanted him to = ask it straight out. To be honest, I'm quite offended by the question. Had = he bothered to become informed before raising an issue, he would have known that a number of my caches have been done with my family. That fact is = even put forth in word and photo on my profile page. Yes, TheWebbman and I = have done a great many caches together. So to have Tres Hombres, Lazy K, and Team C.H.U.M.P. There are also a number of caches that we both have = gotten, but at different times, as well as caches that only one of us have. I wonder if this question has posed to those teams or any of the others = that frequently hunt together. =20 For the record, I wouldn't be caught away from home without my GPS 12 = and TheWebbman is quite fond of his Legend. It's amazing what a little bit = of competition will bring out in a person. =20 CacheLess Bill Tomlinson -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of RAND HARDIN Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 11:47 AM To: AZ-Geocaching Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) On March 17th at 11:40 a.m. RandMan responded with his interpretation of Regan's question and thoughts: =20 Bill, =20 Didn't you read the fine print in the rules for the definition of what a "team" is? If both you and "The Webbman" used the same GPSr to find all = of the 250+ caches that you found together, then you would be considered a "team" and can only record your finds as a team (together). You cannot = both claim finds separately. Therefore, one of you will need to delete all = of the caches that you found together (which in turn will move everyone up = a point in the AZ stats) [:)] . [;-)]=20 =20 Rand (RandMan)=20 =20 =20 =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Tomlinson Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 9:06 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) =20 Can you re-phrase that? Sometimes I'm comprehension challenged. (I = mean, I don't get it) -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = Regan Smith Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:16 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) Will both of you be using the same GPS??? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bill Tomlinson =20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 1:17 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) =20 You guys at the top have got to knock off this rivalry or us newbies = will never be able to catch up. ;-) Speaking of which, be watching for = another big day from teams TheWebbman and CacheLess. Now I hope I didn't just = jinx us. =20 CacheLess Bill =20 ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C2EC89.FD3D8FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Truth be = known, I did=20 understand Regan's question, but I wanted him to ask it straight = out.  To=20 be honest, I'm quite offended by the question.  Had he bothered to = become=20 informed before raising an issue, he would have known that a number of = my caches=20 have been done with my family.  That fact is even put forth in word = and=20 photo on my profile page.  Yes, TheWebbman and I have done a great = many=20 caches together.  So to have Tres Hombres, Lazy K, and Team=20 C.H.U.M.P.  There are also a number of caches that we both have = gotten, but=20 at different times, as well as caches that only one of us have.  I = wonder=20 if this question has posed to those teams or any of the others that = frequently=20 hunt together.
 
For the = record, I=20 wouldn't be caught away from home without my GPS 12 and TheWebbman is = quite fond=20 of his Legend.  It's amazing what a little bit of competition will = bring=20 out in a person.
 
CacheLess
Bill Tomlinson
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = RAND HARDIN
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 11:47 = AM
To:=20 AZ-Geocaching
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader=20 (again)

On March 17th at 11:40 a.m. RandMan responded with his = interpretation=20 of Regan's question and thoughts:
 
Bill,
 
Didn't you read the fine print in the rules for the=20 definition of what a "team" is?  If both you and "The = Webbman" used=20 the same GPSr to find all of the 250+ caches that you found together, = then you=20 would be considered a "team" and can only record your finds as a = team=20 (together).  You cannot both claim finds separately.  = Therefore, one=20 of you will need to delete all of the caches that you found=20 together (which in turn will move everyone up a point in the = AZ=20 stats)  [:)] .   [;-)] 
 
Rand (RandMan) 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bill Tomlinson
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 = 9:06=20 AM
To: = listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] = New Leader=20 (again)
 
Can you=20 re-phrase that?  Sometimes I'm comprehension = challenged.   (I=20 mean, I don't get it)
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On = Behalf Of=20 Regan Smith
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:16=20 AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re:=20 [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again)

Will both of you be using the same=20 GPS???
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Bill Tomlinson =
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
Sent: Thursday, March 13, = 2003 1:17=20 PM
Subject: RE: = [Az-Geocaching] New=20 Leader (again)

 
You=20 guys at the top have got to knock off this rivalry or us = newbies will=20 never be able to catch up.  ;-)   Speaking of = which,=20 be watching for another big day from teams TheWebbman and=20 CacheLess.  Now I hope I didn't just jinx=20 us.
 
CacheLess
Bill
 
------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C2EC89.FD3D8FA0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 17 20:45:31 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jason Poulter) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:45:31 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Problems with location based identifier In-Reply-To: <20030317194842.21818.qmail@web21108.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030317194842.21818.qmail@web21108.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3E7633EB.2070904@snaptek.com> the state id letters might be cool... the state would have to get up to 65535 caches per state... according to Buxley's web site the state with the most only has Cali-5263 caches... jason ken@highpointer.com wrote: > /Another possibility (location based identifier): Reserve the first 2 > characters as location indicators: AZ, PA, TX (states) and CH, IL, DU, > RU (countries, etc.) This does however unfairly limit the number of > caches within a state or country. As we all know, AZ would probably > need more numbers than RI. ;)/ > > I don't think that will work very well. You have correctly pointed out > that large states may use up their allotment of numbers relatively soon, > while small states may never use up their allotment of numbers. For > example, Colorado used to assign license plate numbers based on the > county that the vehicle was registered in, but abandoned that policy > because urban counties have populations over 100,000 and thus were using > up their allotted numbers, whereas some rural counties have under 1,000 > people and thus used only a small percentage of their alloted characters. > > Also, some countries codes you listed are the same as states - IL is > also the abbreviation for Illinois, for example. > > *Ken* (a.k.a. */Highpointer/*) > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 17 20:57:12 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Webb Pickersgill) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:57:12 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Problems with location based identifier In-Reply-To: <20030317194842.21818.qmail@web21108.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00d101c2ecc7$c9286530$6501010a@pickersgill.local> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D2_01C2EC8D.1CC98D30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yup, I agree. (Believe it or not, by contradicting my own thoughts) I guess my point was that I believe that perhaps one character of the new code could be reserved for SOME type of identifier to help you quickly learn something about it. The state/country example was weak, I just wanted to get everyone thinking along these lines to see if anything else came to mind. To help understand my thought, consider this: I don't know how many times I was driving, saw a waypoint pop up on my screen, stopped for fun to see what it was... After searching around for a bit I got disappointed, then returned to the Internet only to find out that it was a locationless or "puzzle" based cache that did not exist there. A simple character in the wapyoint number would have alerted me to this before I considered stopping. Just a thought. TheWebbman Webb Pickersgill -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of ken@highpointer.com Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 12:49 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Problems with location based identifier Another possibility (location based identifier): Reserve the first 2 characters as location indicators: AZ, PA, TX (states) and CH, IL, DU, RU (countries, etc.) This does however unfairly limit the number of caches within a state or country. As we all know, AZ would probably need more numbers than RI. ;) I don't think that will work very well. You have correctly pointed out that large states may use up their allotment of numbers relatively soon, while small states may never use up their allotment of numbers. For example, Colorado used to assign license plate numbers based on the county that the vehicle was registered in, but abandoned that policy because urban counties have populations over 100,000 and thus were using up their allotted numbers, whereas some rural counties have under 1,000 people and thus used only a small percentage of their alloted characters. Also, some countries codes you listed are the same as states - IL is also the abbreviation for Illinois, for example. Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) ------=_NextPart_000_00D2_01C2EC8D.1CC98D30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yup, I=20 agree.  (Believe it or not, by contradicting my own thoughts)  = I guess=20 my point was that I believe that perhaps one character of the new code = could be=20 reserved for SOME type of identifier to help you quickly learn something = about=20 it.  The state/country example was weak, I just wanted to get = everyone=20 thinking along these lines to see if anything else came to=20 mind.
 
To=20 help understand my thought, consider this:  I don't know how many = times I=20 was driving, saw a waypoint pop up on my screen,  stopped for fun = to see=20 what it was... After searching around for a bit I got disappointed, then = returned to the Internet only to find out that it was a locationless or = "puzzle"=20 based cache that did not exist there.  A simple character in the = wapyoint=20 number would have alerted me to this before I considered stopping.  = Just a=20 thought.
 
TheWebbman
Webb=20 Pickersgill
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of=20 ken@highpointer.com
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 12:49=20 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: = [Az-Geocaching]=20 Problems with location based identifier

Another possibility (location based identifier): Reserve the = first 2=20 characters as location indicators: AZ, PA, TX (states)  and CH, = IL, DU,=20 RU (countries, etc.)  This does however unfairly limit the number = of=20 caches within a state or country.  As we all know, AZ would = probably need=20 more numbers than RI. ;)

I don't think that will work very well.   You have = correctly=20 pointed out that large states may use up their allotment of numbers = relatively=20 soon, while small states may never use up their allotment of = numbers. =20 For example, Colorado used to assign license plate numbers based on = the county=20 that the vehicle was registered in, but abandoned that policy because = urban=20 counties have populations over 100,000 and thus were using up their = allotted=20 numbers, whereas some rural counties have under 1,000 people and thus = used=20 only a small percentage of their alloted characters.

Also, some countries codes you listed are the same as states - = IL is=20 also the abbreviation for Illinois, for example.

Ken (a.k.a.=20 Highpointer)

------=_NextPart_000_00D2_01C2EC8D.1CC98D30-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 17 21:14:36 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jason Poulter) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:14:36 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Problems with location based identifier In-Reply-To: <00d101c2ecc7$c9286530$6501010a@pickersgill.local> References: <00d101c2ecc7$c9286530$6501010a@pickersgill.local> Message-ID: <3E763ABC.6090003@snaptek.com> thats why you download the waypoint files off the azgeocaching.com that tell you what type of cache it is based on the icon... etc... you can see what type it is so you can decide quickly.... :) jason Webb Pickersgill wrote: > Yup, I agree. (Believe it or not, by contradicting my own thoughts) I > guess my point was that I believe that perhaps one character of the new > code could be reserved for SOME type of identifier to help you quickly > learn something about it. The state/country example was weak, I just > wanted to get everyone thinking along these lines to see if anything > else came to mind. > > To help understand my thought, consider this: I don't know how many > times I was driving, saw a waypoint pop up on my screen, stopped for > fun to see what it was... After searching around for a bit I got > disappointed, then returned to the Internet only to find out that it was > a locationless or "puzzle" based cache that did not exist there. A > simple character in the wapyoint number would have alerted me to this > before I considered stopping. Just a thought. > > TheWebbman > Webb Pickersgill > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]*On Behalf Of > *ken@highpointer.com > *Sent:* Monday, March 17, 2003 12:49 PM > *To:* listserv@azgeocaching.com > *Subject:* [Az-Geocaching] Problems with location based identifier > > /Another possibility (location based identifier): Reserve the first > 2 characters as location indicators: AZ, PA, TX (states) and CH, > IL, DU, RU (countries, etc.) This does however unfairly limit the > number of caches within a state or country. As we all know, AZ > would probably need more numbers than RI. ;)/ > > I don't think that will work very well. You have correctly pointed > out that large states may use up their allotment of numbers > relatively soon, while small states may never use up their allotment > of numbers. For example, Colorado used to assign license plate > numbers based on the county that the vehicle was registered in, but > abandoned that policy because urban counties have populations over > 100,000 and thus were using up their allotted numbers, whereas some > rural counties have under 1,000 people and thus used only a small > percentage of their alloted characters. > > Also, some countries codes you listed are the same as states - IL is > also the abbreviation for Illinois, for example. > > *Ken* (a.k.a. */Highpointer/*) > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 17 21:27:37 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bill Tomlinson) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:27:37 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Problems with location based identifier In-Reply-To: <3E763ABC.6090003@snaptek.com> Message-ID: <005501c2eccc$08843200$697ba8c0@qwest.net> Or geeks like me that use geocaching.com pocket queries to grab all of the caches and logs in .gpx files and dump them into a SQL database so we can slice the data in many ways including manipulating the names into a meaningful format like VC1234. (how's that for a run on sentence?) CacheLess Bill Tomlinson -----Original Message----- From: On Behalf Of Jason Poulter thats why you download the waypoint files off the azgeocaching.com that tell you what type of cache it is based on the icon... etc... you can see what type it is so you can decide quickly.... :) From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 17 21:39:04 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Webb Pickersgill) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:39:04 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) In-Reply-To: <004901c2ecc4$a9995a60$697ba8c0@qwest.net> Message-ID: <00db01c2eccd$a28c7500$6501010a@pickersgill.local> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DC_01C2EC92.F62D9D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MessageHmmm... tough crowd. I didn't realize Bill and I would cause such a ruckus. I do this for FUN (and because I'm addicted but that's a different story), and I'm just lucky that because I'm a newbie, I'm able to play catch-up and have a blast getting a bunch in a short period of time. In any case, I'm not taking this whole "how many GPSr's?" thing seriously, however, I don't mind playing devil's avocate and making a few friendly comments. (Nothing like stirring the pot) - Even though we (CacheLess and I) team up, I have been known to secretly grab the cache, try to sign the log and return it before CacheLess notices. He really hates it when I try to do that... but not that he hasn't tried the same thing to me. With that kind of behavoir, I'm sure he's GLAD I'm not on his team. - CacheLess has come with me to get caches that he already has logged. Despite begging, he refuses to tell me anything.. and even laughs at me on occasion. With that kind of behavior, I'm glad he's not on MY team. - So... if I knew where the Pueblo Grande Museum was, and I didn't use my GPS to get there, then it doesn't count as a geocache find? - I've seen users who simply use the mapquest maps to get close and find the cache just by searching the area. Should their logs be deleted? - What about a person who stumbles across a cache, discovering geocaching for the first time. Does he need to buy a GPS, then return to the cache later to be able to sign the log? Keep in mind, I'm not being serious here. I'm just trying to say that geocaching is supposed to be FUN, and that's all we're trying to do: HAVE FUN! Webb Pickersgill TheWebbman -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Bill Tomlinson Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 1:35 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) Truth be known, I did understand Regan's question, but I wanted him to ask it straight out. To be honest, I'm quite offended by the question. Had he bothered to become informed before raising an issue, he would have known that a number of my caches have been done with my family. That fact is even put forth in word and photo on my profile page. Yes, TheWebbman and I have done a great many caches together. So to have Tres Hombres, Lazy K, and Team C.H.U.M.P. There are also a number of caches that we both have gotten, but at different times, as well as caches that only one of us have. I wonder if this question has posed to those teams or any of the others that frequently hunt together. For the record, I wouldn't be caught away from home without my GPS 12 and TheWebbman is quite fond of his Legend. It's amazing what a little bit of competition will bring out in a person. CacheLess Bill Tomlinson -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of RAND HARDIN Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 11:47 AM To: AZ-Geocaching Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) On March 17th at 11:40 a.m. RandMan responded with his interpretation of Regan's question and thoughts: Bill, Didn't you read the fine print in the rules for the definition of what a "team" is? If both you and "The Webbman" used the same GPSr to find all of the 250+ caches that you found together, then you would be considered a "team" and can only record your finds as a team (together). You cannot both claim finds separately. Therefore, one of you will need to delete all of the caches that you found together (which in turn will move everyone up a point in the AZ stats) [:)] . [;-)] Rand (RandMan) ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Tomlinson Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 9:06 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) Can you re-phrase that? Sometimes I'm comprehension challenged. (I mean, I don't get it) -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Regan Smith Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:16 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) Will both of you be using the same GPS??? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Tomlinson To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 1:17 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) You guys at the top have got to knock off this rivalry or us newbies will never be able to catch up. ;-) Speaking of which, be watching for another big day from teams TheWebbman and CacheLess. Now I hope I didn't just jinx us. CacheLess Bill ------=_NextPart_000_00DC_01C2EC92.F62D9D00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Hmmm... tough = crowd.  I didn't realize Bill and I would cause such a = ruckus.  I do=20 this for FUN (and because I'm addicted but that's a different story), = and I'm=20 just lucky that because I'm a newbie, I'm able to play catch-up = and have a=20 blast getting a bunch in a short period of time.  In any case, = I'm not=20 taking this whole "how many GPSr's?" thing seriously, however, I don't = mind=20 playing devil's avocate and making a few friendly comments.  = (Nothing like=20 stirring the pot)
 =20
- Even though = we=20 (CacheLess and I) team up, I have been known to secretly grab the cache, = try to=20 sign the log and return it before CacheLess notices.  He really = hates it=20 when I try to do that... but not that he hasn't tried the same thing to=20 me.  With that kind of behavoir, I'm sure he's GLAD I'm not on his=20 team.
- CacheLess has come with me to=20 get caches that he already has logged.  Despite begging, = he=20 refuses to tell me anything.. and even laughs at me on occasion.  = With that=20 kind of behavior, I'm glad he's not on MY team.
- So... if I = knew where=20 the Pueblo Grande Museum was, and I didn't use my GPS to get there, then = it=20 doesn't count as a geocache find?
- I've seen users who simply use = the=20 mapquest maps to get close and find the cache just by searching the = area.  Should their logs be deleted?
- What about a person who stumbles = across a=20 cache, discovering geocaching for the first time.  Does he need to = buy a=20 GPS, then return to the cache later to be able to sign the = log?
 
Keep in mind, = I'm not=20 being serious here.  I'm just trying to say that geocaching is = supposed to=20 be FUN, and that's all we're trying to do: HAVE FUN!
 
Webb=20 Pickersgill
TheWebbman
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of = Bill=20 Tomlinson
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 1:35 PM
To: = listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New = Leader=20 (again)

Truth be = known, I did=20 understand Regan's question, but I wanted him to ask it straight = out.  To=20 be honest, I'm quite offended by the question.  Had he bothered = to become=20 informed before raising an issue, he would have known that a number of = my=20 caches have been done with my family.  That fact is even put = forth in=20 word and photo on my profile page.  Yes, TheWebbman and I have = done a=20 great many caches together.  So to have Tres Hombres, Lazy K, and = Team=20 C.H.U.M.P.  There are also a number of caches that we both have = gotten,=20 but at different times, as well as caches that only one of us = have.  I=20 wonder if this question has posed to those teams or any of the others = that=20 frequently hunt together.
 
For the = record, I=20 wouldn't be caught away from home without my GPS 12 and TheWebbman is = quite=20 fond of his Legend.  It's amazing what a little bit of = competition will=20 bring out in a person.
 
CacheLess
Bill Tomlinson
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf = Of=20 RAND HARDIN
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 11:47=20 AM
To: AZ-Geocaching
Subject: Re: = [Az-Geocaching] New=20 Leader (again)

On March 17th at 11:40 a.m. RandMan responded with his=20 interpretation of Regan's question and thoughts:
 
Bill,
 
Didn't you read the fine print in the rules for the = definition of what a "team" is?  If both you and "The=20 Webbman" used the same GPSr to find all of the 250+ caches that = you=20 found together, then you would be considered a "team" and can = only=20 record your finds as a team (together).  You cannot both claim = finds=20 separately.  Therefore, one of you will need to delete = all of=20 the caches that you found together (which in turn will = move=20 everyone up a point in the AZ stats)  [:)] .  =20 [;-)] 
 
Rand (RandMan) 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bill Tomlinson
Sent: Monday, March 17, = 2003 9:06=20 AM
To: = listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: RE: = [Az-Geocaching] New=20 Leader (again)
 
Can you=20 re-phrase that?  Sometimes I'm comprehension = challenged.  =20 (I mean, I don't get it)
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On = Behalf Of=20 Regan Smith
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:16=20 AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: = Re:=20 [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again)

Will both of you be using the same=20 GPS???
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Bill Tomlinson =
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
Sent: Thursday, March = 13, 2003=20 1:17 PM
Subject: RE: = [Az-Geocaching] New=20 Leader (again)

 
You=20 guys at the top have got to knock off this rivalry or us = newbies=20 will never be able to catch up.  ;-)   = Speaking of=20 which, be watching for another big day from teams = TheWebbman and=20 CacheLess.  Now I hope I didn't just jinx=20 us.
 
CacheLess
Bill
 
------=_NextPart_000_00DC_01C2EC92.F62D9D00-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 17 21:34:55 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Andrew Ayre) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:34:55 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Problems with location based identifier In-Reply-To: <00d101c2ecc7$c9286530$6501010a@pickersgill.local> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C2EC92.60C838B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A bit convoluted, but off the top of my head I think you could do this for existing caches manually. Go to the azgeocaching.com web site, download your team stats in CSV format. Load into Excel. Remove the ones you've found. Extract the 16-bit cache number from the waypoint name, reassemble a new waypoint name replacing "GC" at the start with whatever you wanted based on the cache type column. Or you could write a program like the CacheFilter program I wrote a couple of months ago (which there wasn't enough interest in). Andy -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Webb Pickersgill Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 1:57 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Problems with location based identifier Yup, I agree. (Believe it or not, by contradicting my own thoughts) I guess my point was that I believe that perhaps one character of the new code could be reserved for SOME type of identifier to help you quickly learn something about it. The state/country example was weak, I just wanted to get everyone thinking along these lines to see if anything else came to mind. To help understand my thought, consider this: I don't know how many times I was driving, saw a waypoint pop up on my screen, stopped for fun to see what it was... After searching around for a bit I got disappointed, then returned to the Internet only to find out that it was a locationless or "puzzle" based cache that did not exist there. A simple character in the wapyoint number would have alerted me to this before I considered stopping. Just a thought. TheWebbman Webb Pickersgill -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of ken@highpointer.com Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 12:49 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Problems with location based identifier Another possibility (location based identifier): Reserve the first 2 characters as location indicators: AZ, PA, TX (states) and CH, IL, DU, RU (countries, etc.) This does however unfairly limit the number of caches within a state or country. As we all know, AZ would probably need more numbers than RI. ;) I don't think that will work very well. You have correctly pointed out that large states may use up their allotment of numbers relatively soon, while small states may never use up their allotment of numbers. For example, Colorado used to assign license plate numbers based on the county that the vehicle was registered in, but abandoned that policy because urban counties have populations over 100,000 and thus were using up their allotted numbers, whereas some rural counties have under 1,000 people and thus used only a small percentage of their alloted characters. Also, some countries codes you listed are the same as states - IL is also the abbreviation for Illinois, for example. Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C2EC92.60C838B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A bit=20 convoluted, but off the top of my head I think you could do this = for=20 existing caches manually. Go to the azgeocaching.com web site, download = your=20 team stats in CSV format. Load into Excel. Remove the ones you've found. = Extract=20 the 16-bit cache number from the waypoint name, reassemble a new = waypoint name=20 replacing "GC" at the start with whatever you wanted based on the cache = type=20 column. Or you could write a program like the CacheFilter program I = wrote a=20 couple of months ago (which there wasn't enough interest=20 in).
 
Andy 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of = Webb=20 Pickersgill
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 1:57 = PM
To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] = Problems with=20 location based identifier

Yup,=20 I agree.  (Believe it or not, by contradicting my own = thoughts)  I=20 guess my point was that I believe that perhaps one character of the = new code=20 could be reserved for SOME type of identifier to help you quickly = learn=20 something about it.  The state/country example was weak, I just = wanted to=20 get everyone thinking along these lines to see if anything else came = to=20 mind.
 
To=20 help understand my thought, consider this:  I don't know how many = times I=20 was driving, saw a waypoint pop up on my screen,  stopped for fun = to see=20 what it was... After searching around for a bit I got disappointed, = then=20 returned to the Internet only to find out that it was a locationless = or=20 "puzzle" based cache that did not exist there.  A simple = character in the=20 wapyoint number would have alerted me to this before I considered=20 stopping.  Just a thought.
 
TheWebbman
Webb=20 Pickersgill
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf = Of=20 ken@highpointer.com
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 12:49 = PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject:=20 [Az-Geocaching] Problems with location based = identifier

Another possibility (location based identifier): Reserve the = first 2=20 characters as location indicators: AZ, PA, TX (states)  and CH, = IL, DU,=20 RU (countries, etc.)  This does however unfairly limit the = number of=20 caches within a state or country.  As we all know, AZ would = probably=20 need more numbers than RI. ;)

I don't think that will work very well.   You have = correctly=20 pointed out that large states may use up their allotment of numbers=20 relatively soon, while small states may never use up their allotment = of=20 numbers.  For example, Colorado used to assign license plate = numbers=20 based on the county that the vehicle was registered in, but = abandoned that=20 policy because urban counties have populations over 100,000 and thus = were=20 using up their allotted numbers, whereas some rural counties have = under=20 1,000 people and thus used only a small percentage of their alloted=20 characters.

Also, some countries codes you listed are the same as states = - IL is=20 also the abbreviation for Illinois, for example.

Ken (a.k.a.=20 = Highpointer)

------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C2EC92.60C838B0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 17 21:56:20 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bill) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:56:20 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: One GPS or Two???? References: <00db01c2eccd$a28c7500$6501010a@pickersgill.local> Message-ID: <011c01c2ecd0$0dcdd0a0$319c4094@BILLPC> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0117_01C2EC95.5EDA9220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageThis whole bitterness and bickering over whether these two teams = are actually two different teams or just a single team pretending to be = two is the perfect illustration of why we love the geocaching hunt but = don't log caches. The whole numbers game has the potential to bring out = the worst in people. Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0117_01C2EC95.5EDA9220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
This whole bitterness and = bickering over=20 whether these two teams are actually two different teams or just a = single team=20 pretending to be two is the perfect illustration of why we love the = geocaching=20 hunt but don't log caches.  The whole numbers game has the = potential to=20 bring out the worst in people.
 
Bill
------=_NextPart_000_0117_01C2EC95.5EDA9220-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 17 22:13:11 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:13:11 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: What will be the next waypoint number after GCFFFF? In-Reply-To: <3E7560D0.8060600@mchsi.com> References: <3E7560D0.8060600@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <3E764877.9040509@snaptek.com> > These sound like engineering solutions to a problem that seems > relatively simple, to me. While I like the idea of separating cache > types into MC, VC, etc. (ie. Multi-Cache and Virtual-Cache) I would > think conversion to a base 36 numbering system as a 'quick fix' would > create more havoc than it alleviates. For example, how do you handle > all of the existing waypoints that would now be 'out of order' if placed > within a _new_ numbering system? Me personally, I wouldn't bother working around the old caches, I would just let them fall into their new place in the numbering scheme. Some people will have to change their websites, but thats what happens when you don't do it right the first time around. It would be trivial to add a line, for a while to the top of pages whos numbers look like vaid hex numbers that says "you might have been looking for "this" page instead, and give a link to the equivelent page. There is also the problem that if you are sorting on the waypoint, and you have dropped the C off of it like you mention later, they now don't sort in the correct order since GCFFFF comes after G10000. > And what about the exclusion of those > confusing letters and digits? (1's a I's and O's and 0's) As an (ex) > software engineer, this seems to me like a programmer's nightmare. I'm > not saying it couldn't be done; I'm just questioning whether it is the > best solution for the amount of benefit gained. If it were me (and > fortunately, it's not) I would very simply drop the 'C' from the GC > designation and continue with the current hex numbering system. In > other words, instead of GCF123, we would use G0F123. What is so sacred > about the 'GC' prefix anyway? I could just as easily recognize a > waypoint like G0F123 in my GPSr as a GeoCache and not the location of > the million dollars in gold boullion I have buried in the desert (which > I would designate MYGOLD or some such.) For me I have my GPS completely full of waypoint, and I KNOW stuff that starts with GC is a geocache. If it just had G, I would still be fairly sure it was a geocache, but now absolutly. It's also nice to have them all sort together so that they can be easily added and deleted. > The base 36 numbering system > described above is purported to increase the number of available cache > designations by a factor of 25. But to do that, you have to completely > change the numbering system and consequently the the code that handles > and sorts the caches. The code that handles and sorts the caches is using base 10, for the database. The can see this at the top of the page when it goes to a specifc cache page. Unless the site is written extremely bad, I would image there is a function like convert2gc() somewhere in there. It should only be a matter of changeing a couple of functions to update the whole site. > for the least amount of effort. And if you really want to get crazy, > why not drop the 'G' from the GC number while you're at it. Thus, > GCF123 would become 00F123. Again, do you really need the G to remind > you that the 6 character waypoint in your GPS is a Geocache? By using > six digits in a hex numbering system, you've now increased the number > of possible waypoints by a factor of 255! That's a total of more than > 16 million possible Geocaches! Enough to keep even the most addicted > busy for a few years. I would say.. Yes, I need at least the G. I really don't want my geocaches mixed in with the rest of the waypoint that just happen to be numbers. Many GPS units by default name un-named waypoint as numbers, it could befome a real nightmare trying to find that waypoint you just saving within the pile of geocaches. It best thing would have been to have just done it right in the first place, but I would guess that nobody ever imagined that geocache would ever take off the way it has. but sometimes you have to break a few eggs to make an cake. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 17 22:14:29 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Coyote1022) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:14:29 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C2EC97.E8039180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And who cares where they stand in the AZ stats??? Receive $5.00 just for signing up with PayPal. It's free and I've been using it for all my online purchases since June, 2000 https://www.paypal.com/refer/pal=FPD7ABB6HTC3A -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of RAND HARDIN Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 11:47 AM To: AZ-Geocaching Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) On March 17th at 11:40 a.m. RandMan responded with his interpretation of Regan's question and thoughts: Bill, Didn't you read the fine print in the rules for the definition of what a "team" is? If both you and "The Webbman" used the same GPSr to find all of the 250+ caches that you found together, then you would be considered a "team" and can only record your finds as a team (together). You cannot both claim finds separately. Therefore, one of you will need to delete all of the caches that you found together (which in turn will move everyone up a point in the AZ stats) [:)] . [;-)] Rand (RandMan) ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Tomlinson Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 9:06 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) Can you re-phrase that? Sometimes I'm comprehension challenged. (I mean, I don't get it) -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Regan Smith Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:16 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) Will both of you be using the same GPS??? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Tomlinson To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 1:17 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) You guys at the top have got to knock off this rivalry or us newbies will never be able to catch up. ;-) Speaking of which, be watching for another big day from teams TheWebbman and CacheLess. Now I hope I didn't just jinx us. CacheLess Bill ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C2EC97.E8039180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
And who cares = where they=20 stand in the AZ stats???
 
Receive $5.00 just for = signing up with=20 PayPal.  It's free and I've been using it for all my online=20 purchases since June, 2000
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of = RAND=20 HARDIN
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 11:47 AM
To:=20 AZ-Geocaching
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader=20 (again)

On March 17th at 11:40 a.m. RandMan responded with his = interpretation=20 of Regan's question and thoughts:
 
Bill,
 
Didn't you read the fine print in the rules for the=20 definition of what a "team" is?  If both you and "The = Webbman" used=20 the same GPSr to find all of the 250+ caches that you found together, = then you=20 would be considered a "team" and can only record your finds as a = team=20 (together).  You cannot both claim finds separately.  = Therefore, one=20 of you will need to delete all of the caches that you found=20 together (which in turn will move everyone up a point in the = AZ=20 stats)  [:)] .   [;-)] 
 
Rand (RandMan) 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bill Tomlinson
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 = 9:06=20 AM
To: = listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] = New Leader=20 (again)
 
Can you re-phrase that?  Sometimes I'm comprehension=20 challenged.   (I mean, I don't get it)
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On = Behalf Of=20 Regan Smith
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:16=20 AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re:=20 [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again)

Will both of you be using the = same=20 GPS???
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Bill Tomlinson =
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
Sent: Thursday, March 13, = 2003 1:17=20 PM
Subject: RE: = [Az-Geocaching] New=20 Leader (again)

 
You guys at the top have got to knock off this = rivalry or us=20 newbies will never be able to catch up.  = ;-)  =20 Speaking of which, be watching for another big day from teams = TheWebbman and CacheLess.  Now I hope I didn't just = jinx=20 us.
 
CacheLess
Bill
 
------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C2EC97.E8039180-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 17 22:26:40 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Webb Pickersgill) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:26:40 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: One GPS or Two???? In-Reply-To: <011c01c2ecd0$0dcdd0a0$319c4094@BILLPC> Message-ID: <00e601c2ecd4$48a6ad60$6501010a@pickersgill.local> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E7_01C2EC99.9C47D560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MessageWell put, Bill. The same thing happened with the SETI@home project, for those who are familiar with that. It was a screensaver that allowed you to analyze a packet of data to search for extraterrestrial life. Some users got so immersed in the "numbers game" that they found a way to hack the screensaver so they could "complete" more packets faster to get a higher ranking, and defeating the purpose of the research project. TheWebbman Webb Pickersgill -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Bill Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 2:56 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: One GPS or Two???? This whole bitterness and bickering over whether these two teams are actually two different teams or just a single team pretending to be two is the perfect illustration of why we love the geocaching hunt but don't log caches. The whole numbers game has the potential to bring out the worst in people. Bill ------=_NextPart_000_00E7_01C2EC99.9C47D560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Well put, = Bill.  The=20 same thing happened with the SETI@home = project,=20 for those who are familiar with that.  It was a screensaver that = allowed=20 you to analyze a packet of data to search for extraterrestrial = life. =20 Some users got so immersed in the "numbers game" that they found a = way to=20 hack the screensaver so they could "complete" more packets faster to get = a=20 higher ranking, and defeating the purpose of the research=20 project.  

TheWebbman
Webb=20 Pickersgill
 
 -----Original=20 Message-----
From: = az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of=20 Bill
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 2:56 PM
To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: One GPS = or=20 Two????

This whole bitterness and = bickering over=20 whether these two teams are actually two different teams or just a = single team=20 pretending to be two is the perfect illustration of why we love the = geocaching=20 hunt but don't log caches.  The whole numbers game has the = potential to=20 bring out the worst in people.
 
Bill
------=_NextPart_000_00E7_01C2EC99.9C47D560-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 17 22:34:29 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Andrew Ayre) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:34:29 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: One GPS or Two???? In-Reply-To: <00e601c2ecd4$48a6ad60$6501010a@pickersgill.local> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C2EC9A.B30D30A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MessageIf I cared about the numbers I would run around getting all the 1/1 caches. Instead I spent a fantastic day on Saturday with my brother-in-law doing the "Peak at the Orthocenter". Two hour climb up and one hour climb down. Total of one find for the whole day, but what a find! Thats how we personally prefer to do our caching. But I understand that other people like other things and as long as they are not harming anyone... :) Andy -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Webb Pickersgill Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 3:27 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Re: One GPS or Two???? Well put, Bill. The same thing happened with the SETI@home project, for those who are familiar with that. It was a screensaver that allowed you to analyze a packet of data to search for extraterrestrial life. Some users got so immersed in the "numbers game" that they found a way to hack the screensaver so they could "complete" more packets faster to get a higher ranking, and defeating the purpose of the research project. TheWebbman Webb Pickersgill -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Bill Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 2:56 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: One GPS or Two???? This whole bitterness and bickering over whether these two teams are actually two different teams or just a single team pretending to be two is the perfect illustration of why we love the geocaching hunt but don't log caches. The whole numbers game has the potential to bring out the worst in people. Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C2EC9A.B30D30A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
If I cared = about the=20 numbers I would run around getting all the 1/1 caches. Instead I spent a = fantastic day on Saturday with my brother-in-law doing the "Peak at the=20 Orthocenter". Two hour climb up and one hour climb down. Total of one = find=20 for the whole day, but what a find! Thats how we=20 personally prefer to do our caching. But I understand that other = people=20 like other things and as long as they are not harming anyone...=20 :)
 

Andy


 

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of = Webb=20 Pickersgill
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 3:27 = PM
To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Re: = One GPS=20 or Two????

Well put, = Bill. =20 The same thing happened with the SETI@home=20 project, for those who are familiar with that.  It was a = screensaver that=20 allowed you to analyze a packet of data to search for extraterrestrial = life.  Some users got so immersed in the "numbers game" that = they=20 found a way to hack the screensaver so they could "complete" more = packets=20 faster to get a higher ranking, and defeating the purpose of the = research=20 project.  

TheWebbman
Webb=20 Pickersgill
 
 -----Original=20 Message-----
From: = az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of=20 Bill
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 2:56 PM
To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: One = GPS or=20 Two????

This whole bitterness and = bickering over=20 whether these two teams are actually two different teams or just a = single=20 team pretending to be two is the perfect illustration of why we love = the=20 geocaching hunt but don't log caches.  The whole numbers game = has the=20 potential to bring out the worst in people.
 
Bill
------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C2EC9A.B30D30A0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Mar 18 00:38:44 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Loran Wilcox) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:38:44 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) References: <00db01c2eccd$a28c7500$6501010a@pickersgill.local> Message-ID: <006401c2ece6$bb609f20$0500a8c0@one> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C2ECAC.0EC644C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageAccording to this logic.. If two people use one GPS they can only claim the cache one time between = them. Does that mean when I use two gps's for one person I get two finds. That should boost the numbers a little. I think this whole thread was becoming to serious. Loran (Team Sand Dollar) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Webb Pickersgill=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 2:39 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) Hmmm... tough crowd. I didn't realize Bill and I would cause such a = ruckus. I do this for FUN (and because I'm addicted but that's a = different story), and I'm just lucky that because I'm a newbie, I'm able = to play catch-up and have a blast getting a bunch in a short period of = time. In any case, I'm not taking this whole "how many GPSr's?" thing = seriously, however, I don't mind playing devil's avocate and making a = few friendly comments. (Nothing like stirring the pot) =20 - Even though we (CacheLess and I) team up, I have been known to = secretly grab the cache, try to sign the log and return it before = CacheLess notices. He really hates it when I try to do that... but not = that he hasn't tried the same thing to me. With that kind of behavoir, = I'm sure he's GLAD I'm not on his team. - CacheLess has come with me to get caches that he already has logged. = Despite begging, he refuses to tell me anything.. and even laughs at me = on occasion. With that kind of behavior, I'm glad he's not on MY team. - So... if I knew where the Pueblo Grande Museum was, and I didn't use = my GPS to get there, then it doesn't count as a geocache find? - I've seen users who simply use the mapquest maps to get close and = find the cache just by searching the area. Should their logs be = deleted? - What about a person who stumbles across a cache, discovering = geocaching for the first time. Does he need to buy a GPS, then return = to the cache later to be able to sign the log? Keep in mind, I'm not being serious here. I'm just trying to say that = geocaching is supposed to be FUN, and that's all we're trying to do: = HAVE FUN! Webb Pickersgill TheWebbman -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com = [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Bill = Tomlinson Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 1:35 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) Truth be known, I did understand Regan's question, but I wanted him = to ask it straight out. To be honest, I'm quite offended by the = question. Had he bothered to become informed before raising an issue, = he would have known that a number of my caches have been done with my = family. That fact is even put forth in word and photo on my profile = page. Yes, TheWebbman and I have done a great many caches together. So = to have Tres Hombres, Lazy K, and Team C.H.U.M.P. There are also a = number of caches that we both have gotten, but at different times, as = well as caches that only one of us have. I wonder if this question has = posed to those teams or any of the others that frequently hunt together. For the record, I wouldn't be caught away from home without my GPS = 12 and TheWebbman is quite fond of his Legend. It's amazing what a = little bit of competition will bring out in a person. CacheLess Bill Tomlinson -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com = [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of RAND = HARDIN Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 11:47 AM To: AZ-Geocaching Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) On March 17th at 11:40 a.m. RandMan responded with his = interpretation of Regan's question and thoughts: Bill, Didn't you read the fine print in the rules for the definition of = what a "team" is? If both you and "The Webbman" used the same GPSr to = find all of the 250+ caches that you found together, then you would be = considered a "team" and can only record your finds as a team (together). = You cannot both claim finds separately. Therefore, one of you will = need to delete all of the caches that you found together (which in turn = will move everyone up a point in the AZ stats) [:)] . [;-)]=20 Rand (RandMan)=20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Tomlinson Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 9:06 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) Can you re-phrase that? Sometimes I'm comprehension challenged. = (I mean, I don't get it) -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com = [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = Regan Smith Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:16 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) Will both of you be using the same GPS??? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bill Tomlinson=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 1:17 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) You guys at the top have got to knock off this rivalry or us = newbies will never be able to catch up. ;-) Speaking of which, be = watching for another big day from teams TheWebbman and CacheLess. Now I = hope I didn't just jinx us. CacheLess Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C2ECAC.0EC644C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
According to this logic..
 
If two people use one GPS they can only claim = the cache=20 one time between them.
Does that mean when I use two gps's for one = person I get=20 two finds.
That should boost the numbers a = little.
 
I think this whole thread was becoming to=20 serious.
 
Loran (Team Sand Dollar)
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Webb = Pickersgill=20
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 = 2:39=20 PM
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] = New Leader=20 (again)

Hmmm... = tough=20 crowd.  I didn't realize Bill and I would cause such a = ruckus.  I do=20 this for FUN (and because I'm addicted but that's a different story), = and I'm=20 just lucky that because I'm a newbie, I'm able to play catch-up = and have=20 a blast getting a bunch in a short period of time.  In any = case, I'm=20 not taking this whole "how many GPSr's?" thing seriously, however, I = don't=20 mind playing devil's avocate and making a few friendly comments.  = (Nothing like stirring the pot)
 =20
- Even = though we=20 (CacheLess and I) team up, I have been known to secretly grab the = cache, try=20 to sign the log and return it before CacheLess notices.  He = really hates=20 it when I try to do that... but not that he hasn't tried the same = thing to=20 me.  With that kind of behavoir, I'm sure he's GLAD I'm not on = his=20 team.
- CacheLess has come with me to=20 get caches that he already has logged.  Despite = begging, he=20 refuses to tell me anything.. and even laughs at me on occasion.  = With=20 that kind of behavior, I'm glad he's not on MY team.
- So... if = I knew where=20 the Pueblo Grande Museum was, and I didn't use my GPS to get there, = then it=20 doesn't count as a geocache find?
- I've seen users who simply use = the=20 mapquest maps to get close and find the cache just by searching = the=20 area.  Should their logs be deleted?
- What about a person who = stumbles across=20 a cache, discovering geocaching for the first time.  Does he need = to buy=20 a GPS, then return to the cache later to be able to sign the = log?
 
Keep in = mind, I'm not=20 being serious here.  I'm just trying to say that geocaching is = supposed=20 to be FUN, and that's all we're trying to do: HAVE = FUN!
 
Webb=20 Pickersgill
TheWebbman
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf = Of=20 Bill Tomlinson
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 1:35=20 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: RE:=20 [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again)

Truth be = known, I did=20 understand Regan's question, but I wanted him to ask it straight = out. =20 To be honest, I'm quite offended by the question.  Had he = bothered to=20 become informed before raising an issue, he would have known that a = number=20 of my caches have been done with my family.  That fact is even = put=20 forth in word and photo on my profile page.  Yes, TheWebbman = and I have=20 done a great many caches together.  So to have Tres Hombres, = Lazy K,=20 and Team C.H.U.M.P.  There are also a number of caches that we = both=20 have gotten, but at different times, as well as caches that only one = of us=20 have.  I wonder if this question has posed to those teams or = any of the=20 others that frequently hunt together.
 
For the = record, I=20 wouldn't be caught away from home without my GPS 12 and TheWebbman = is quite=20 fond of his Legend.  It's amazing what a little bit of = competition will=20 bring out in a person.
 
CacheLess
Bill Tomlinson
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On = Behalf Of=20 RAND HARDIN
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 11:47=20 AM
To: AZ-Geocaching
Subject: Re: = [Az-Geocaching] New=20 Leader (again)

On March 17th at 11:40 a.m. RandMan responded with his=20 interpretation of Regan's question and thoughts:
 
Bill,
 
Didn't you read the fine print in the rules for = the=20 definition of what a "team" is?  If both you and "The=20 Webbman" used the same GPSr to find all of the 250+ caches = that you=20 found together, then you would be considered a "team" and can = only=20 record your finds as a team (together).  You cannot both = claim finds=20 separately.  Therefore, one of you will need to delete = all of=20 the caches that you found together (which in turn will = move=20 everyone up a point in the AZ stats)  [:)] .  =20 [;-)] 
 
Rand (RandMan) 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bill Tomlinson
Sent: Monday, March 17, = 2003 9:06=20 AM
To: = listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: RE: = [Az-Geocaching] New=20 Leader (again)
 
Can=20 you re-phrase that?  Sometimes I'm comprehension=20 challenged.   (I mean, I don't get = it)
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On = Behalf Of=20 Regan Smith
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:16=20 AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: = Re:=20 [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again)

Will both of you be using the same=20 GPS???
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Bill Tomlinson =
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
Sent: Thursday, March = 13, 2003=20 1:17 PM
Subject: RE: = [Az-Geocaching]=20 New Leader (again)

 
You guys at the top have got to knock off = this=20 rivalry or us newbies will never be able to catch up. =20 ;-)   Speaking of which, be watching for = another=20 big day from teams TheWebbman and CacheLess.  Now I = hope I=20 didn't just jinx us.
 
CacheLess
Bill
 
------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C2ECAC.0EC644C0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 17 22:54:31 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:54:31 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Problems with location based identifier In-Reply-To: <20030317194842.21818.qmail@web21108.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030317194842.21818.qmail@web21108.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3E765227.3040006@snaptek.com> ken@highpointer.com wrote: > I don't think that will work very well. You have correctly pointed out > that large states may use up their allotment of numbers relatively soon, > while small states may never use up their allotment of numbers. For > example, Colorado used to assign license plate numbers based on the > county that the vehicle was registered in, but abandoned that policy > because urban counties have populations over 100,000 and thus were using > up their allotted numbers, whereas some rural counties have under 1,000 > people and thus used only a small percentage of their alloted characters. I assume you are talking about a license plate with 7 characters on it, with 2 characters pointing out the county and the other 5 for the license plate number. If they had gone with the base 36 number like we have been talking about they could have had 60,466,200 people per county. That even leaves pleanty of room for taking out all the 4 letter word combinations as well as the zero/letter O problem. Unlike the geocaching, they would have had to have done it right the first time.... although they could have easily handed out license plates that fell between the decimal numbers... unless they really wanted them in order for some reason. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 17 23:05:12 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Coyote1022) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 16:05:12 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) In-Reply-To: <006401c2ece6$bb609f20$0500a8c0@one> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C2EC9E.FD729CD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MessageI'm with you Loran, from now on, I'm using both my GPS's along with a team member to get a better track on the cache, and claim two finds to boot! Thanks for the great idea!! As a matter of fact, I think I'll go back thru the one's I've already found and log them again, at least the ones I remember using two GPS's on!!! Receive $5.00 just for signing up with PayPal. It's free and I've been using it for all my online purchases since June, 2000 https://www.paypal.com/refer/pal=FPD7ABB6HTC3A -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Loran Wilcox Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 5:39 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) According to this logic.. If two people use one GPS they can only claim the cache one time between them. Does that mean when I use two gps's for one person I get two finds. That should boost the numbers a little. I think this whole thread was becoming to serious. Loran (Team Sand Dollar) ----- Original Message ----- From: Webb Pickersgill To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 2:39 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) Hmmm... tough crowd. I didn't realize Bill and I would cause such a ruckus. I do this for FUN (and because I'm addicted but that's a different story), and I'm just lucky that because I'm a newbie, I'm able to play catch-up and have a blast getting a bunch in a short period of time. In any case, I'm not taking this whole "how many GPSr's?" thing seriously, however, I don't mind playing devil's avocate and making a few friendly comments. (Nothing like stirring the pot) - Even though we (CacheLess and I) team up, I have been known to secretly grab the cache, try to sign the log and return it before CacheLess notices. He really hates it when I try to do that... but not that he hasn't tried the same thing to me. With that kind of behavoir, I'm sure he's GLAD I'm not on his team. - CacheLess has come with me to get caches that he already has logged. Despite begging, he refuses to tell me anything.. and even laughs at me on occasion. With that kind of behavior, I'm glad he's not on MY team. - So... if I knew where the Pueblo Grande Museum was, and I didn't use my GPS to get there, then it doesn't count as a geocache find? - I've seen users who simply use the mapquest maps to get close and find the cache just by searching the area. Should their logs be deleted? - What about a person who stumbles across a cache, discovering geocaching for the first time. Does he need to buy a GPS, then return to the cache later to be able to sign the log? Keep in mind, I'm not being serious here. I'm just trying to say that geocaching is supposed to be FUN, and that's all we're trying to do: HAVE FUN! Webb Pickersgill TheWebbman -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Bill Tomlinson Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 1:35 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) Truth be known, I did understand Regan's question, but I wanted him to ask it straight out. To be honest, I'm quite offended by the question. Had he bothered to become informed before raising an issue, he would have known that a number of my caches have been done with my family. That fact is even put forth in word and photo on my profile page. Yes, TheWebbman and I have done a great many caches together. So to have Tres Hombres, Lazy K, and Team C.H.U.M.P. There are also a number of caches that we both have gotten, but at different times, as well as caches that only one of us have. I wonder if this question has posed to those teams or any of the others that frequently hunt together. For the record, I wouldn't be caught away from home without my GPS 12 and TheWebbman is quite fond of his Legend. It's amazing what a little bit of competition will bring out in a person. CacheLess Bill Tomlinson -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of RAND HARDIN Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 11:47 AM To: AZ-Geocaching Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) On March 17th at 11:40 a.m. RandMan responded with his interpretation of Regan's question and thoughts: Bill, Didn't you read the fine print in the rules for the definition of what a "team" is? If both you and "The Webbman" used the same GPSr to find all of the 250+ caches that you found together, then you would be considered a "team" and can only record your finds as a team (together). You cannot both claim finds separately. Therefore, one of you will need to delete all of the caches that you found together (which in turn will move everyone up a point in the AZ stats) [:)] . [;-)] Rand (RandMan) ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Tomlinson Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 9:06 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) Can you re-phrase that? Sometimes I'm comprehension challenged. (I mean, I don't get it) -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Regan Smith Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:16 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) Will both of you be using the same GPS??? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Tomlinson To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 1:17 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) You guys at the top have got to knock off this rivalry or us newbies will never be able to catch up. ;-) Speaking of which, be watching for another big day from teams TheWebbman and CacheLess. Now I hope I didn't just jinx us. CacheLess Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C2EC9E.FD729CD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
I'm with you = Loran, from=20 now on, I'm using both my GPS's along with a team member to get a better = track=20 on the cache, and claim two finds to boot!  Thanks for the great=20 idea!!  As a matter of fact, I think I'll go back thru the one's = I've=20 already found and log them again, at least the ones I remember using two = GPS's=20 on!!!
 
Receive $5.00 just for = signing up with=20 PayPal.  It's free and I've been using it for all my online=20 purchases since June, 2000
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of=20 Loran Wilcox
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 5:39 = PM
To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] New = Leader=20 (again)

According to this logic..
 
If two people use one GPS they can only claim = the cache=20 one time between them.
Does that mean when I use two gps's for one = person I get=20 two finds.
That should boost the numbers a = little.
 
I think this whole thread was becoming to=20 serious.
 
Loran (Team Sand Dollar)
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Webb=20 Pickersgill
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 = 2:39=20 PM
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] = New Leader=20 (again)

Hmmm... = tough=20 crowd.  I didn't realize Bill and I would cause such a = ruckus.  I=20 do this for FUN (and because I'm addicted but that's a different = story), and=20 I'm just lucky that because I'm a newbie, I'm able to play catch-up=20 and have a blast getting a bunch in a short period of = time. =20 In any case, I'm not taking this whole "how many GPSr's?" thing = seriously,=20 however, I don't mind playing devil's avocate and making a few = friendly=20 comments.  (Nothing like stirring the pot)
 =20
- Even = though we=20 (CacheLess and I) team up, I have been known to secretly grab the = cache, try=20 to sign the log and return it before CacheLess notices.  He = really=20 hates it when I try to do that... but not that he hasn't tried the = same=20 thing to me.  With that kind of behavoir, I'm sure he's GLAD = I'm not on=20 his team.
- CacheLess has come with me = to=20 get caches that he already has logged.  Despite = begging, he=20 refuses to tell me anything.. and even laughs at me on = occasion.  With=20 that kind of behavior, I'm glad he's not on MY team.
- So... = if I knew=20 where the Pueblo Grande Museum was, and I didn't use my GPS to get = there,=20 then it doesn't count as a geocache find?
- I've seen users who simply = use the=20 mapquest maps to get close and find the cache just by searching = the=20 area.  Should their logs be deleted?
- What about a person who = stumbles=20 across a cache, discovering geocaching for the first time.  = Does he=20 need to buy a GPS, then return to the cache later to be able to sign = the=20 log?
 
Keep in = mind, I'm not=20 being serious here.  I'm just trying to say that geocaching is = supposed=20 to be FUN, and that's all we're trying to do: HAVE = FUN!
 
Webb=20 Pickersgill
TheWebbman
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf = Of=20 Bill Tomlinson
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 1:35=20 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: RE:=20 [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again)

Truth = be known, I=20 did understand Regan's question, but I wanted him to ask it = straight=20 out.  To be honest, I'm quite offended by the question.  = Had he=20 bothered to become informed before raising an issue, he would have = known=20 that a number of my caches have been done with my family.  = That fact=20 is even put forth in word and photo on my profile page.  Yes, = TheWebbman and I have done a great many caches together.  So = to have=20 Tres Hombres, Lazy K, and Team C.H.U.M.P.  There are also a = number of=20 caches that we both have gotten, but at different times, as well = as caches=20 that only one of us have.  I wonder if this question has = posed to=20 those teams or any of the others that frequently hunt=20 together.
 
For the = record, I=20 wouldn't be caught away from home without my GPS 12 and TheWebbman = is=20 quite fond of his Legend.  It's amazing what a little bit of=20 competition will bring out in a person.
 
CacheLess
Bill Tomlinson
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On = Behalf Of=20 RAND HARDIN
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 11:47=20 AM
To: AZ-Geocaching
Subject: Re: = [Az-Geocaching]=20 New Leader (again)

On March 17th at 11:40 a.m. RandMan responded with his=20 interpretation of Regan's question and thoughts:
 
Bill,
 
Didn't you read the fine print in the rules for = the=20 definition of what a "team" is?  If both you and "The=20 Webbman" used the same GPSr to find all of the 250+ caches = that you=20 found together, then you would be considered a "team" and = can only=20 record your finds as a team (together).  You cannot both = claim=20 finds separately.  Therefore, one of you will need to = delete=20 all of the caches that you found together (which in = turn will=20 move everyone up a point in the AZ stats)  [:)] = .  =20 [;-)] 
 
Rand (RandMan) 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bill Tomlinson
Sent: Monday, March 17, = 2003 9:06=20 AM
To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: RE: = [Az-Geocaching] New=20 Leader (again)
 
Can=20 you re-phrase that?  Sometimes I'm comprehension=20 challenged.   (I mean, I don't get = it)
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On = Behalf=20 Of Regan Smith
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 = 7:16=20 AM
To: = listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re:=20 [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again)

Will both of you be using the = same=20 GPS???
----- Original Message = -----
From:=20 Bill Tomlinson =
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
Sent: Thursday, = March 13,=20 2003 1:17 PM
Subject: RE: = [Az-Geocaching]=20 New Leader (again)

 
You guys at the top have got to knock = off this=20 rivalry or us newbies will never be able to catch = up. =20 ;-)   Speaking of which, be watching for = another=20 big day from teams TheWebbman and CacheLess.  Now = I hope=20 I didn't just jinx us.
 
CacheLess
Bill
 
------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C2EC9E.FD729CD0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 17 23:14:59 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Nicol) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:14:59 -0800 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) Message-ID: I've got 4 GPS's!!!!!! :) Can I claim 4 finds!??!?! :) LOL LOL LOL Yeehaw! I ought to be able to just breeze by ol' CHUMP with this scenario! :O LOL LOL LOL (I ain't ever gonna get by him or Wyle E any other way!) LOL Scott Team RTW (aahh yea, just having some fun on a rainy, stuck in the office/home day!) _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 17 23:15:09 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 16:15:09 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: One GPS or Two???? In-Reply-To: <011c01c2ecd0$0dcdd0a0$319c4094@BILLPC> References: <00db01c2eccd$a28c7500$6501010a@pickersgill.local> <011c01c2ecd0$0dcdd0a0$319c4094@BILLPC> Message-ID: <3E7656FD.8010006@snaptek.com> Bill wrote: > This whole bitterness and bickering over whether these two teams are > actually two different teams or just a single team pretending to be two > is the perfect illustration of why we love the geocaching hunt but don't > log caches. The whole numbers game has the potential to bring out the > worst in people. I've only seen one person that really seemed to take the numbers seriously, and after some initial fighting, people just ignored him. You really can't be competeing with anyone, unless both parties are competeing against each other. You really look lame when you announce that you have more caches than someone and did it faster.. blah blah, when the other person wasn't even aware that you were trying to get ahead of them. The geocaching community just seems to find trouble and route around it... kinda like the internet itself is supposed to do. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 17 23:25:32 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Coyote1022) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 16:25:32 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well Scott, I match your four and raise you 6 GPS ads I found in the paper and magazines! If I carry those in my hip pocket, they should count also, right??? ROTFLMAO!!! Receive $5.00 just for signing up with PayPal. It's free and I've been using it for all my online purchases since June, 2000 https://www.paypal.com/refer/pal=FPD7ABB6HTC3A -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Scott Nicol Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 4:15 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) I've got 4 GPS's!!!!!! :) Can I claim 4 finds!??!?! :) LOL LOL LOL Yeehaw! I ought to be able to just breeze by ol' CHUMP with this scenario! :O LOL LOL LOL (I ain't ever gonna get by him or Wyle E any other way!) LOL Scott Team RTW (aahh yea, just having some fun on a rainy, stuck in the office/home day!) _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Mar 18 02:00:02 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Loran Wilcox) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:00:02 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: One GPS or Two???? References: <00db01c2eccd$a28c7500$6501010a@pickersgill.local> <011c01c2ecd0$0dcdd0a0$319c4094@BILLPC> <3E7656FD.8010006@snaptek.com> Message-ID: <00a101c2ecf2$168ee720$0500a8c0@one> Simples un published rules of Geocaching: 1) You get to a cache. (Anyway you can) 2) You sign the log book or provide whatever validation is neccessary. 3) Then you can claim a find. Its that simple. There no rules that even states you need a GPS (except on some virtuals) There are some teams out there that cache without a GPS. Team Snad Dollar From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Mar 18 00:17:39 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:17:39 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) References: <004901c2ecc4$a9995a60$697ba8c0@qwest.net> Message-ID: <000f01c2ece3$caa15fe0$f300b83f@fishkiller> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C2ECA9.1CFA7780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageI ask a simple yes or no question and get a War and Peace = answer.... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bill Tomlinson=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 1:34 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) Truth be known, I did understand Regan's question, but I wanted him to = ask it straight out. To be honest, I'm quite offended by the question. = Had he bothered to become informed before raising an issue, he would = have known that a number of my caches have been done with my family. = That fact is even put forth in word and photo on my profile page. Yes, = TheWebbman and I have done a great many caches together. So to have = Tres Hombres, Lazy K, and Team C.H.U.M.P. There are also a number of = caches that we both have gotten, but at different times, as well as = caches that only one of us have. I wonder if this question has posed to = those teams or any of the others that frequently hunt together. For the record, I wouldn't be caught away from home without my GPS 12 = and TheWebbman is quite fond of his Legend. It's amazing what a little = bit of competition will bring out in a person. CacheLess Bill Tomlinson -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com = [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of RAND = HARDIN Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 11:47 AM To: AZ-Geocaching Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) On March 17th at 11:40 a.m. RandMan responded with his = interpretation of Regan's question and thoughts: Bill, Didn't you read the fine print in the rules for the definition of = what a "team" is? If both you and "The Webbman" used the same GPSr to = find all of the 250+ caches that you found together, then you would be = considered a "team" and can only record your finds as a team (together). = You cannot both claim finds separately. Therefore, one of you will = need to delete all of the caches that you found together (which in turn = will move everyone up a point in the AZ stats) [:)] . [;-)]=20 Rand (RandMan)=20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Tomlinson Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 9:06 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) Can you re-phrase that? Sometimes I'm comprehension challenged. = (I mean, I don't get it) -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com = [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = Regan Smith Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:16 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) Will both of you be using the same GPS??? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bill Tomlinson=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 1:17 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) You guys at the top have got to knock off this rivalry or us = newbies will never be able to catch up. ;-) Speaking of which, be = watching for another big day from teams TheWebbman and CacheLess. Now I = hope I didn't just jinx us. CacheLess Bill ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C2ECA9.1CFA7780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
I ask a simple yes or no question and get a War = and Peace=20 answer....
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bill=20 Tomlinson
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 = 1:34=20 PM
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] = New Leader=20 (again)

Truth be = known, I did=20 understand Regan's question, but I wanted him to ask it straight = out.  To=20 be honest, I'm quite offended by the question.  Had he bothered = to become=20 informed before raising an issue, he would have known that a number of = my=20 caches have been done with my family.  That fact is even put = forth in=20 word and photo on my profile page.  Yes, TheWebbman and I have = done a=20 great many caches together.  So to have Tres Hombres, Lazy K, and = Team=20 C.H.U.M.P.  There are also a number of caches that we both have = gotten,=20 but at different times, as well as caches that only one of us = have.  I=20 wonder if this question has posed to those teams or any of the others = that=20 frequently hunt together.
 
For the = record, I=20 wouldn't be caught away from home without my GPS 12 and TheWebbman is = quite=20 fond of his Legend.  It's amazing what a little bit of = competition will=20 bring out in a person.
 
CacheLess
Bill Tomlinson
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf = Of=20 RAND HARDIN
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 11:47=20 AM
To: AZ-Geocaching
Subject: Re: = [Az-Geocaching] New=20 Leader (again)

On March 17th at 11:40 a.m. RandMan responded with his=20 interpretation of Regan's question and thoughts:
 
Bill,
 
Didn't you read the fine print in the rules for the = definition of what a "team" is?  If both you and "The=20 Webbman" used the same GPSr to find all of the 250+ caches that = you=20 found together, then you would be considered a "team" and can = only=20 record your finds as a team (together).  You cannot both claim = finds=20 separately.  Therefore, one of you will need to delete = all of=20 the caches that you found together (which in turn will = move=20 everyone up a point in the AZ stats)  [:)] .  =20 [;-)] 
 
Rand (RandMan) 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bill Tomlinson
Sent: Monday, March 17, = 2003 9:06=20 AM
To: = listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: RE: = [Az-Geocaching] New=20 Leader (again)
 
Can you=20 re-phrase that?  Sometimes I'm comprehension = challenged.  =20 (I mean, I don't get it)
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On = Behalf Of=20 Regan Smith
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:16=20 AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: = Re:=20 [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again)

Will both of you be using the same=20 GPS???
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Bill Tomlinson =
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
Sent: Thursday, March = 13, 2003=20 1:17 PM
Subject: RE: = [Az-Geocaching] New=20 Leader (again)

 
You=20 guys at the top have got to knock off this rivalry or us = newbies=20 will never be able to catch up.  ;-)   = Speaking of=20 which, be watching for another big day from teams = TheWebbman and=20 CacheLess.  Now I hope I didn't just jinx=20 us.
 
CacheLess
Bill
 
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C2ECA9.1CFA7780-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Mar 18 03:01:36 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:01:36 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) In-Reply-To: <000f01c2ece3$caa15fe0$f300b83f@fishkiller> References: <004901c2ecc4$a9995a60$697ba8c0@qwest.net> <000f01c2ece3$caa15fe0$f300b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: <3E768C10.3000501@Snaptek.com> Regan Smith wrote: >MessageI ask a simple yes or no question and get a War and Peace answer.... > I'm with you... when the question was asked if both people had GPS's... My first thought was more along the lines of "Nerd alert" (to quote Austin Powers) rather than if the find was countable by both parties. It just seemed rather geeks to me to have 2 teams running around both with a live GPS. When Jason and I have gone cacheing, we both had GPS's (up to 5 I think) but usually Jason is left to run the GPS and I use mine for backup just in case the batteries fail, or something like that. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Mar 18 04:01:11 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bill Tomlinson) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 21:01:11 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) In-Reply-To: <000f01c2ece3$caa15fe0$f300b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: <001001c2ed03$03c370a0$697ba8c0@qwest.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C2ECC8.576498A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Actually, you got a request for clarification. RandMan got the War and Peace answer. The bottom line (actually there are two), though, is that RandMan, TheWebbman, and I all understood it the same way. Perhaps = simply another example of this poor means of communication? I suppose that is = why my messages are so long. Clarity is a good thing. =20 The other bottom line is that you and I have exchanged a number of = positive messages and I hope that continues. The last was after our previous marathon. In that thread, I described our very geeky setup. One GPS in = the truck with the laptop and mapping software, one GPS in the field, power inverter, Palm book, MapPoint, Topo, iPaq, and a whole mess of wires. =20 As I said in that thread and others have echoed in this one, the key = purpose is to have fun. The reason we use all of the technology is so that we = can forget about the mechanics and concentrate on enjoying each cache. The primary reason for these two marathon runs is because we are good = friends that enjoy geocaching very much. He and his wife are about to have = their first child and he will soon be doing much less and our schedules most likely won't allow us to do this again. Although having a record is = kind of cool, it isn't a primary motivator. As a matter of fact, another cacher (CHUMP maybe) pointed out my current lead for the year which I wasn't = even aware of. Besides, our daily records won't last long. There are so = many urban micros in the East valley, a new team could easily hit 60 if they planned well. =20 Blah, blah, blah. Sorry, like I said, I tend to run on. So, if you = have any interest at all left, feel free to answer my request for = clarification and I'll try to answer the question you meant to ask. =20 CacheLess Bill Tomlinson -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = Regan Smith Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 5:18 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) I ask a simple yes or no question and get a War and Peace answer.... =20 =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bill Tomlinson=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 1:34 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) Truth be known, I did understand Regan's question, but I wanted him to = ask it straight out. To be honest, I'm quite offended by the question. Had = he bothered to become informed before raising an issue, he would have known that a number of my caches have been done with my family. That fact is = even put forth in word and photo on my profile page. Yes, TheWebbman and I = have done a great many caches together. So to have Tres Hombres, Lazy K, and Team C.H.U.M.P. There are also a number of caches that we both have = gotten, but at different times, as well as caches that only one of us have. I wonder if this question has posed to those teams or any of the others = that frequently hunt together. =20 For the record, I wouldn't be caught away from home without my GPS 12 = and TheWebbman is quite fond of his Legend. It's amazing what a little bit = of competition will bring out in a person. =20 CacheLess Bill Tomlinson -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of RAND HARDIN Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 11:47 AM To: AZ-Geocaching Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) On March 17th at 11:40 a.m. RandMan responded with his interpretation of Regan's question and thoughts: =20 Bill, =20 Didn't you read the fine print in the rules for the definition of what a "team" is? If both you and "The Webbman" used the same GPSr to find all = of the 250+ caches that you found together, then you would be considered a "team" and can only record your finds as a team (together). You cannot = both claim finds separately. Therefore, one of you will need to delete all = of the caches that you found together (which in turn will move everyone up = a point in the AZ stats) [:)] . [;-)]=20 =20 Rand (RandMan)=20 =20 =20 =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Tomlinson Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 9:06 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) =20 Can you re-phrase that? Sometimes I'm comprehension challenged. (I = mean, I don't get it) -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = Regan Smith Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:16 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) Will both of you be using the same GPS??? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bill Tomlinson =20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 1:17 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) =20 You guys at the top have got to knock off this rivalry or us newbies = will never be able to catch up. ;-) Speaking of which, be watching for = another big day from teams TheWebbman and CacheLess. Now I hope I didn't just = jinx us. =20 CacheLess Bill =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C2ECC8.576498A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Actually, you = got a=20 request for clarification.  RandMan got the War and Peace = answer.  The=20 bottom line (actually there are two), though, is that = RandMan, TheWebbman,=20 and I all understood it the same way.  Perhaps simply another = example of=20 this poor means of communication?  I suppose that is why my = messages are so=20 long.  Clarity is a good thing.
 
The other = bottom line is=20 that you and I have exchanged a number of positive messages and I hope = that=20 continues.  The last was after our previous marathon.  In that = thread,=20 I described our very geeky setup.  One GPS in the truck with the = laptop and=20 mapping software, one GPS in the field, power inverter, Palm book, = MapPoint,=20 Topo, iPaq, and a whole mess of wires.
 
As I said in = that thread=20 and others have echoed in this one, the key purpose is to have = fun.  The=20 reason we use all of the technology is so that we can forget about the = mechanics=20 and concentrate on enjoying each cache.  The primary reason for = these two=20 marathon runs is because we are good friends that enjoy geocaching very=20 much.  He and his wife are about to have their first child and he = will soon=20 be doing much less and our schedules most likely won't allow us to = do this=20 again.  Although having a record is kind of cool, it isn't a = primary=20 motivator.  As a matter of fact, another cacher (CHUMP maybe) = pointed out=20 my current lead for the year which I wasn't even aware of.  = Besides, our=20 daily records won't last long.  There are so many urban micros in = the East=20 valley, a new team could easily hit 60 if they planned = well.
 
Blah, blah, = blah. =20 Sorry, like I said, I tend to run on.  So, if you have any interest = at all=20 left, feel free to answer my request for clarification and I'll try to = answer=20 the question you meant to ask.
 
CacheLess
Bill Tomlinson
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = Regan Smith
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 5:18 = PM
To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] New = Leader=20 (again)

I ask a simple yes or no question and get a = War and=20 Peace answer....
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bill=20 Tomlinson
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 = 1:34=20 PM
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] = New Leader=20 (again)

Truth be = known, I did=20 understand Regan's question, but I wanted him to ask it straight = out. =20 To be honest, I'm quite offended by the question.  Had he = bothered to=20 become informed before raising an issue, he would have known that a = number=20 of my caches have been done with my family.  That fact is even = put=20 forth in word and photo on my profile page.  Yes, TheWebbman = and I have=20 done a great many caches together.  So to have Tres Hombres, = Lazy K,=20 and Team C.H.U.M.P.  There are also a number of caches that we = both=20 have gotten, but at different times, as well as caches that only one = of us=20 have.  I wonder if this question has posed to those teams or = any of the=20 others that frequently hunt together.
 
For the = record, I=20 wouldn't be caught away from home without my GPS 12 and TheWebbman = is quite=20 fond of his Legend.  It's amazing what a little bit of = competition will=20 bring out in a person.
 
CacheLess
Bill Tomlinson
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On = Behalf Of=20 RAND HARDIN
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 11:47=20 AM
To: AZ-Geocaching
Subject: Re: = [Az-Geocaching] New=20 Leader (again)

On March 17th at 11:40 a.m. RandMan responded with his=20 interpretation of Regan's question and thoughts:
 
Bill,
 
Didn't you read the fine print in the rules for = the=20 definition of what a "team" is?  If both you and "The=20 Webbman" used the same GPSr to find all of the 250+ caches = that you=20 found together, then you would be considered a "team" and can = only=20 record your finds as a team (together).  You cannot both = claim finds=20 separately.  Therefore, one of you will need to delete = all of=20 the caches that you found together (which in turn will = move=20 everyone up a point in the AZ stats)  [:)] .  =20 [;-)] 
 
Rand (RandMan) 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bill Tomlinson
Sent: Monday, March 17, = 2003 9:06=20 AM
To: = listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: RE: = [Az-Geocaching] New=20 Leader (again)
 
Can=20 you re-phrase that?  Sometimes I'm comprehension=20 challenged.   (I mean, I don't get = it)
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On = Behalf Of=20 Regan Smith
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:16=20 AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: = Re:=20 [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again)

Will both of you be using the same=20 GPS???
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Bill Tomlinson =
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
Sent: Thursday, March = 13, 2003=20 1:17 PM
Subject: RE: = [Az-Geocaching]=20 New Leader (again)

 
You guys at the top have got to knock off = this=20 rivalry or us newbies will never be able to catch up. =20 ;-)   Speaking of which, be watching for = another=20 big day from teams TheWebbman and CacheLess.  Now I = hope I=20 didn't just jinx us.
 
CacheLess
Bill
 
------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C2ECC8.576498A0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Mar 18 14:01:58 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 07:01:58 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) final version References: <004901c2ecc4$a9995a60$697ba8c0@qwest.net> <000f01c2ece3$caa15fe0$f300b83f@fishkiller> <3E768C10.3000501@Snaptek.com> Message-ID: <001f01c2ed56$f1c22c80$2601b83f@fishkiller> Brian you would make a great grenade tosser....(close but no cigar)The geocaching community just seems to find trouble and route around it... kinda like the internet itself is supposed to do. would that be why no one is in the chat room when I am? Ok here is the final word for now, (So, if you have any interest at all left, feel free to answer my request for clarification and I'll try to answer the question you meant to ask.) I asked the question in reference not to be mean be little or be moan the team thing, it was in reference to the fact that you guys (that be Cacheless and Webbman) use like major techno things on your cache adventures, I mean when you drive down the road little kids complain to their mothers that their Gameboys are dead..... the question was in reference to going back to the basics that being ONLY a GPS... ( The last was after our previous marathon. In that thread, I described our very geeky setup. One GPS in the truck with the laptop and mapping software, one GPS in the field, power inverter, Palm book, MapPoint, Topo, iPaq, and a whole mess of wires.) Now if there was a way for this one dimensional form of communication to convey the voice inflections you would have heard the humor, and not read more into the question than what was said. Besides I think I upset Loran as he misspelled his team name, we at team Evil Fish have found 5 caches without a GPS just going off the clues and notes people have posted along with find logs at caches then again I was thinking about Kosh, and how cryptic he spoke then again so did Kosh, but Ivoniva never did get an answer to her question about that anyway... it is only a game for those who don't play Regan the Fish of Team Evil Fish with sore fingers From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Mar 18 16:32:12 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Rick Beebout) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 09:32:12 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Fw: Gas prices - A Simple Request Message-ID: <001e01c2ed6b$ef13a1c0$97d06844@your9jdjrfbyjo> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C2ED31.41112BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:36:22 -0700 Should read this...this guy has a pretty good idea. In theory this may = work, but once again you have to have people that are WILLING to do this.=20 =20 This may succeed since it would provide a long lasting effect on two industry leader's bottom lines. How long can those two company's hold = out until they decide to start dropping prices? My guess is not much more = than 3 to 6 weeks. =20 The public not buying gas for one day does nothing as mentioned below, = but this could make a difference if everyone follows through with this. =20 Read below for details... =20 Anthony =20 =20 > Please follow,=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >join the resistance!!!!=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >I hear we are going to hit close to $3.00 a gallon by the summer=20 >=20 >Want gasoline prices to come down? We need to take some=20 >intelligent, united action. Phillip Hollsworth, offered this good idea: = >=20 >=20 >=20 >This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain=20 >day" campaign that was going around last April or May!=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we=20 >wouldn't continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy gas. It was = more of=20 >an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them. BUT, who ever thought=20 >of this idea, has come up with a plan that can really work.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >Please read it and join with us! By now you're probably thinking=20 >gasoline priced at about $1.50 is super cheap. Me too! It is currently $1.97=20 >for regular unleaded in my town.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned=20 >us to think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50- $1.75, = we=20 >need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the=20 >Marketplace....not sellers.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers=20 >need to take action. The only way we are going to see the price of gas = come >down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their = gas! And=20 >we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >How? Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying=20 >gas.=20 >=20 >But we CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to=20 >force a price war.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >Here's the idea:=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the=20 >two biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If they are = not >selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce=20 >their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit. But to have = an=20 >impact, we need to reach literally millions of Exxon and Mobil gas = buyers.=20 >It's really simple to do! Now, don't whip out on me at this = point...keep=20 >reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!! = >=20 >=20 >=20 >I am sending this note to about thirty people. If each of you=20 >send=20 >=20 >it to at least ten more (30 x 10 =3D300)... and those 300 send it=20 >to at=20 >=20 >least ten more (300 x 10 =3D 3,000) ... and so on, by the time the=20 >message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached = over=20 >THREE MILLION consumers!=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >If those three million get excited and=3D pass this on to ten=20 >friends=20 >=20 >each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes=20 >=20 >one level further, you guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION=20 >PEOPLE!!! Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people and DON'T = >purchase ANY gasoline from EXXON and MOBIL. That's all.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >(If you don't understand how we can reach 300 million don't worry=20 >about it all you have do to is send this to 10 people.... well, let's = face=20 >it, you just aren't a mathematician. But I am... so trust me on this = one.)=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >How long would all that take? If each of us sends this email out=20 >to=20 >=20 >ten or more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION=20 >people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!! I'll = bet you=20 >didn't think you and I had that much potential, did you! Acting = together we >can make a difference. If this makes sense to you, please pass this = message >on.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE=20 >AND KEEP THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- Should read this...this guy has a pretty good idea. In theory this may = work, but once again you have to have people that are WILLING to do = this.=20 This may succeed since it would provide a long lasting effect on two = industry leader's bottom lines. How long can those two company's hold = out until they decide to start dropping prices? My guess is not much = more than 3 to 6 weeks. The public not buying gas for one day does nothing as mentioned below, = but this could make a difference if everyone follows through with this. Read below for details... Anthony =20 > Please follow,=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >join the resistance!!!!=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >I hear we are going to hit close to $3.00 a gallon by the summer=20 >=20 >Want gasoline prices to come down? We need to take some=20 >intelligent, united action. Phillip Hollsworth, offered this good idea: = >=20 >=20 >=20 >This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain=20 >day" campaign that was going around last April or May!=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we=20 >wouldn't continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy gas. It was = more of=20 >an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them. BUT, who ever = thought=20 >of this idea, has come up with a plan that can really work.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >Please read it and join with us! By now you're probably thinking=20 >gasoline priced at about $1.50 is super cheap. Me too! It is currently = $1.97=20 >for regular unleaded in my town.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned=20 >us to think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50- $1.75, = we=20 >need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the=20 >Marketplace....not sellers.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers=20 >need to take action. The only way we are going to see the price of gas = come=20 >down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their = gas! And=20 >we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >How? Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying=20 >gas.=20 >=20 >But we CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to=20 >force a price war.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >Here's the idea:=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the=20 >two biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If they are = not=20 >selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they = reduce=20 >their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit. But to have = an=20 >impact, we need to reach literally millions of Exxon and Mobil gas = buyers.=20 >It's really simple to do! Now, don't whip out on me at this = point...keep=20 >reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!! = >=20 >=20 >=20 >I am sending this note to about thirty people. If each of you=20 >send=20 >=20 >it to at least ten more (30 x 10 =3D300)... and those 300 send it=20 >to at=20 >=20 >least ten more (300 x 10 =3D 3,000) ... and so on, by the time the=20 >message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached = over=20 >THREE MILLION consumers!=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >If those three million get excited and=3D pass this on to ten=20 >friends=20 >=20 >each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes=20 >=20 >one level further, you guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION=20 >PEOPLE!!! Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people and DON'T = >purchase ANY gasoline from EXXON and MOBIL. That's all.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >(If you don't understand how we can reach 300 million don't worry=20 >about it all you have do to is send this to 10 people.... well, let's = face=20 >it, you just aren't a mathematician. But I am... so trust me on this = one.)=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >How long would all that take? If each of us sends this email out=20 >to=20 >=20 >ten or more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION=20 >people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!! I'll = bet you=20 >didn't think you and I had that much potential, did you! Acting = together we=20 >can make a difference. If this makes sense to you, please pass this = message=20 >on.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE=20 >AND KEEP THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C2ED31.41112BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:36:22 -0700

Should = read=20 this...this guy has a pretty good idea. In theory this may work,
but = once=20 again you have to have people that are WILLING to do this. =
 
This=20 may succeed since it would provide a long lasting effect on = two
industry=20 leader's bottom lines. How long can those two company's hold = out
until they=20 decide to start dropping prices? My guess is not much more than 3
to = 6=20 weeks.
 
The public not buying gas for one day does nothing = as=20 mentioned below, but
this could make a difference if everyone follows = through=20 with this.
 
Read below for=20 details...
 
Anthony
 
 

> Please = follow,=20
>
>
>
>join the resistance!!!!
> =
>=20
>
>I hear we are going to hit close to $3.00 a gallon by = the=20 summer
>
>Want gasoline prices to come down? We need to = take some=20
>intelligent, united action. Phillip Hollsworth, offered this = good idea:=20
>
>
>
>This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the = "don't=20 buy gas on a certain
>day" campaign that was going around last = April or=20 May!
>
>
>

>The oil companies just = laughed at=20 that because they knew we
>wouldn't continue to "hurt" ourselves = by=20 refusing to buy gas. It was more
of
>an inconvenience to us = than it=20 was a problem for them. BUT, who ever
thought
>of this idea, = has come=20 up with a plan that can really work.
>
>
> =
>Please=20 read it and join with us! By now you're probably thinking =
>gasoline=20 priced at about $1.50 is super cheap. Me too! It is currently
$1.97=20
>for regular unleaded in my town.
>
>
> =
>Now=20 that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned
>us = to think=20 that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50- $1.75, we =
>need to=20 take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the=20
>Marketplace....not sellers.
>
>
> =
>With the=20 price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers
>need to = take=20 action. The only way we are going to see the price of gas = come

>down=20 is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their = gas!
And=20

>we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves.
>
> =
>=20
>How? Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying=20
>gas.
>
>But we CAN have an impact on gas prices if = we all=20 act together to
>force a price war.
>
>
>=20
>Here's the idea:
>
>
>
>For the rest = of this=20 year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the
>two biggest companies = (which=20 now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If they are not

>selling any = gas, they=20 will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they
reduce
>their = prices,=20 the other companies will have to follow suit. But to have an =
>impact, we=20 need to reach literally millions of Exxon and Mobil gas buyers. =
>It's=20 really simple to do! Now, don't whip out on me at this point...keep=20
>reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of = people!!=20
>
>
>
>I am sending this note to about = thirty=20 people. If each of you
>send
>
>it to at least ten = more (30=20 x 10 =3D300)... and those 300 send it
>to at
> =

>least ten=20 more (300 x 10 =3D 3,000) ... and so on, by the time the
>message = reaches=20 the sixth generation of people, we will have reached over
>THREE = MILLION=20 consumers!
>
>
>
>If those three million get = excited=20 and=3D pass this on to ten
>friends
>
>each, then = 30 million=20 people will have been contacted! If it goes
>
>one level = further,=20 you guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION
>PEOPLE!!! Again, all = you have=20 to do is send this to 10 people and DON'T
>purchase ANY gasoline = from=20 EXXON and MOBIL. That's all.
>
>
>
>(If you = don't=20 understand how we can reach 300 million don't worry
>about it all = you=20 have do to is send this to 10 people.... well, let's face
>it, = you just=20 aren't a mathematician. But I am... so trust me on this one.)
> =
>=20
>
>How long would all that take? If each of us sends this = email=20 out
>to
>
>ten or more people within one day of = receipt,=20 all 300 MILLION
>people could conceivably be contacted within the = next 8=20 days!!! I'll bet
you

>didn't think you and I had that much = potential, did you! Acting together we

>can make a difference. = If this=20 makes sense to you, please pass this message

>on.
> =
>=20
>
>
>
>PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER = THEIR PRICES=20 TO THE $1.30 RANGE
>AND KEEP THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK. =
>=20
>
>
>
 


Should=20 read this...this guy has a pretty good idea. In theory this may work, = but once=20 again you have to have people that are WILLING to do this. =
 
This=20 may succeed since it would provide a long lasting effect on two industry = leader's bottom lines. How long can those two company's hold out until = they=20 decide to start dropping prices? My guess is not much more than = 3 to 6=20 weeks.
 
The=20 public not buying gas for one day does nothing as mentioned below, but = this=20 could make a difference if everyone follows through with=20 this.
 
Read=20 below for details...
 
Anthony
 

 

>=20 Please follow,

> =

> =

> =

>join the = resistance!!!!=20

> =

> =

> =

>I hear we are going = to hit=20 close to $3.00 a gallon by the summer

> =

>Want gasoline prices = to come=20 down? We need to take some

>intelligent, united = action.=20 Phillip Hollsworth, offered this good idea: =

> =

> =

> =

>This makes MUCH MORE = SENSE=20 than the "don't buy gas on a certain

>day" campaign that = was going=20 around last April or May!

> =

> =

> =

>The oil companies = just laughed=20 at that because they knew we

>wouldn't continue to = "hurt"=20 ourselves by refusing to buy gas. It was more of =

>an inconvenience to = us than it=20 was a problem for them. BUT, who ever thought =

>of this idea, has = come up with=20 a plan that can really work.

> =

> =

> =

>Please read it and = join with=20 us! By now you're probably thinking

>gasoline priced at = about $1.50=20 is super cheap. Me too! It is currently $1.97 =

>for regular unleaded = in my=20 town.

> =

> =

> =

>Now that the oil = companies and=20 the OPEC nations have conditioned

>us to think that the = cost of a=20 gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50- $1.75, we

>need to take = aggressive action=20 to teach them that BUYERS control the

>Marketplace....not = sellers.=20

> =

> =

> =

>With the price of = gasoline=20 going up more each day, we consumers

>need to take action. = The only=20 way we are going to see the price of gas come =

>down is if we hit = someone in=20 the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas! And =

>we can do that = WITHOUT hurting=20 ourselves.

> =

> =

> =

>How? Since we all = rely on our=20 cars, we can't just stop buying

>gas.=20

> =

>But we CAN have an = impact on=20 gas prices if we all act together to

>force a price war.=20

> =

> =

> =

>Here's the idea:=20

> =

> =

> =

>For the rest of this = year,=20 DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the

>two biggest = companies (which=20 now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If they are not =

>selling any gas, = they will be=20 inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce =

>their prices, the = other=20 companies will have to follow suit. But to have an =

>impact, we need to = reach=20 literally millions of Exxon and Mobil gas buyers. =

>It's really simple = to do! Now,=20 don't whip out on me at this point...keep

>reading and I'll = explain how=20 simple it is to reach millions of people!!

> =

> =

> =

>I am sending this = note to=20 about thirty people. If each of you

>send=20

> =

>it to at least ten = more (30 x=20 10 =3D300)... and those 300 send it

>to at=20

> =

>least ten more (300 = x 10 =3D=20 3,000) ... and so on, by the time the

>message reaches the = sixth=20 generation of people, we will have reached over =

>THREE MILLION = consumers!=20

> =

> =

> =

>If those three = million get=20 excited and=3D pass this on to ten

>friends=20

> =

>each, then 30 = million people=20 will have been contacted! If it goes

> =

>one level further, = you guessed=20 it..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION

>PEOPLE!!! Again, all = you have=20 to do is send this to 10 people and DON'T

>purchase ANY = gasoline from=20 EXXON and MOBIL. That's all.

> =

> =

> =

>(If you don't = understand how=20 we can reach 300 million don't worry

>about it all you = have do to is=20 send this to 10 people.... well, let's face =

>it, you just aren't = a=20 mathematician. But I am... so trust me on this one.)=20

> =

> =

> =

>How long would all = that take?=20 If each of us sends this email out

>to=20

> =

>ten or more people = within one=20 day of receipt, all 300 MILLION

>people could = conceivably be=20 contacted within the next 8 days!!! I'll bet you =

>didn't think you and = I had=20 that much potential, did you! Acting together we =

>can make a = difference. If this=20 makes sense to you, please pass this message =

>on.=20

> =

> =

> =

> =

> =

>PLEASE HOLD OUT = UNTIL THEY=20 LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE

>AND KEEP THEM DOWN. = THIS CAN=20 REALLY WORK.

> =

> =

> =

> =

 
------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C2ED31.41112BE0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Mar 18 17:29:47 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Koch, Dan) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:29:47 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] following the rules............... of this ga me of life.. Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2ED73.F928FC70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Speaking of following the rules, can anyone tell me the name of the person to contact at the Mesa (or possibly Globe) Ranger District of the Tonto? When I called yesterday to talk to someone about placing a geocache, the person answering the phone didn't seem to know what I was talking about and couldn't tell me who I should talk to. LazyK - Dan -----Original Message----- From: Regan Smith [mailto:buggers@mindspring.com] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:20 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] following the rules............... of this game of life.. I went down to the Mesa Ranger District today to get a permit for Bull Dog Canyon, and to ask about the wilderness area caches. I met with and I forget his name but he is the guy incharge of the Superstition Wilderness Area and during our conversation which was very positive he mentioned a simple rule that I doubt any of us have followed... How many of us as geocachers contacted the Land management agency responsible for the area where the cache is to be placed? http://www.geocaching.com/articles/making.asp Will it be on private or public land? - If you place it on private land, please ask permission before putting it there! If you place the cache on public lands you need to contact the managing agency to find out about their rules. The Rangers would like to know where the caches are being placed, and I after mentioning I would like to place a cache in the Bull dog area was given the email address to the Ranger in charge of that area, and it was suggested that he might have some ideas for other areas a cache might be placed.... ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2ED73.F928FC70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Speaking of following the rules, can anyone tell me the name of the person to contact at the Mesa (or possibly Globe) Ranger District of the Tonto?  When I called yesterday to talk to someone about placing a geocache, the person answering the phone didn't seem to know what I was talking about and couldn't tell me who I should talk to.
 
LazyK - Dan
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Regan Smith [mailto:buggers@mindspring.com]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:20 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] following the rules............... of this game of life..

I went down to the Mesa Ranger District today to get a permit for Bull Dog Canyon, and to ask about the wilderness area caches. I met with and I forget his name but he is the guy incharge of the Superstition Wilderness Area and during our conversation which was very positive he mentioned a simple rule that I doubt any of us have followed... How many of us as geocachers contacted the Land management agency responsible for the area where  the cache is to be placed?
http://www.geocaching.com/articles/making.asp

Will it be on private or public land? - If you place it on private land, please ask permission before putting it there! If you place the cache on public lands you need to contact the managing agency to find out about their rules.
 
The Rangers would like to know where the caches are being placed, and I after mentioning I would like to place a cache in the Bull dog area was given the email address to the Ranger in charge of that area, and it was suggested that he might have some ideas for other  areas a cache might be placed....
 
 
 
 
 
 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C2ED73.F928FC70-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Mar 18 17:35:04 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Andrew Ayre) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:35:04 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Fw: Gas prices - A Simple Request In-Reply-To: <001e01c2ed6b$ef13a1c0$97d06844@your9jdjrfbyjo> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C2ED3A.09B38040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sure, send this to all your friends, but a Geocaching mailing list? Can't we keep it on topic? If I wanted to read this I would go looking for newsgroups with names like alt.oil or something. BTW - good one - we can see all the Email addresses of your friends. Shame about their privacy eh? Andy -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Rick Beebout Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 9:32 AM To: Dawn & Jim Zibrida; Z53371@apsc.com; wworthington@cox.net; Terri Worthington; Delwyn Worthington; Dale Worthington; Danna Work; Chris Woodmansee; wcworthington@earthlink.net; vikki.branham@phoenix.gov; tolmachoff, Mark,Brenda; mark tolmachoff; TLLS@aol.com; Hilary Thimmesh; teamtierrabuena@earthlink.net; swseaton@juno.com; Customer Support; Stock, Darrin; John Soisson; skippy5869@msn.com; simpsonke@aol.com; Louis Siani; JOSEPH SHIRODA; Vincent Campanaro - SHERIFFX; Valle Jones - SHERIFFX; Michael Hiett - SHERIFFX; Justin Griffin - SHERIFFX; John Lawhorn - SHERIFFX; Joe Rosales - SHERIFFX; Gary Braverman - SHERIFFX; Don Doughty - SHERIFFX; David Joya - SHERIFFX; Craig Kaiser - SHERIFFX; Steve and Pam Seiler; Dani Seaton; Domingez sheri; rpm126; Tracy Rizzo; Lessner, Rick; Richard_Olson@apsc.com; Peterson, Edward J(Z74538); edward peterson; pete pete; Pete; perrine@primenet.com; Liz Perrine; Stan Patmor; onlyshadowknows@qwest.net; Drury mike; msl321@hotmail.com; moysohan@hotmail.com; Michele; Sarah McWilliams; Margaret McWilliams; Allan McWilliams (E-mail); MC-RH; McKinney, Larry L(Z65045); mary@drwastchak.com; mary.cartwright@chaparral.org; Mike Lopach; lkkelly@san.rr.com; listserv@azgeocaching.com; list@planetisuzoo.com; lfernald@earthlink.net; Lega, John; Jefferson Kline; jeff Kline laptop; kjkelly@san.rr.com; Pamella Kerley; Joreth; jmitchell@cableaz.com; Jim; Jason; Linda Iffland; Courtney Hinkle; Maria and Jamie Hart; Sandi S Harrington; Jerome H. Hankins; Mike H.; Michele Grigsby; Krueger Germany; Gaddgett@aol.com; frankofaz@juno.com; fergie@bitwisesystems.com; Patricia Dustman; dianaworth57@yahoo.com; dharvey93@hotmail.com; deniseblommel@earthlink.net; Delzotto, Debra (Debra); dcpchiro@aol.com; crphroggy; Cperosi@aol.com; Cheryl_SchaeferLewis@apsc.com; Dawn Chaddock; bolarms@wellsfargo.com; Rick Beebout; Beebout, Anthony - Perot; Anthony Beebout; Jeff Beebout WORK; Beebout iii, Richard E(Z03352); bolar barb; bolar barb; barbara_mcwilliams@oclc.org; BROWN joyce; az-geocaching-request@listserv.azgeocaching.com; az5troxel@hotmail.com; atolmachoff@msn.com; Tammy J Aragaki; angermaster@att.net; Alexei; albopa@yahoo.com; aeworthington@cox.net; abdelnour,Doug Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Fw: Gas prices - A Simple Request Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:36:22 -0700 Should read this...this guy has a pretty good idea. In theory this may work, but once again you have to have people that are WILLING to do this. This may succeed since it would provide a long lasting effect on two industry leader's bottom lines. How long can those two company's hold out until they decide to start dropping prices? My guess is not much more than 3 to 6 weeks. The public not buying gas for one day does nothing as mentioned below, but this could make a difference if everyone follows through with this. Read below for details... Anthony [Snipped] ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C2ED3A.09B38040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sure,=20 send this to all your friends, but a Geocaching mailing list? Can't = we keep=20 it on topic? If I wanted to read this I would go looking for newsgroups = with=20 names like alt.oil or something.
 
BTW -=20 good one - we can see all the Email addresses of your friends. Shame = about their=20 privacy eh?
 
Andy
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of = Rick=20 Beebout
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 9:32 AM
To: = Dawn=20 & Jim Zibrida; Z53371@apsc.com; wworthington@cox.net; Terri = Worthington;=20 Delwyn Worthington; Dale Worthington; Danna Work; Chris Woodmansee;=20 wcworthington@earthlink.net; vikki.branham@phoenix.gov; tolmachoff,=20 Mark,Brenda; mark tolmachoff; TLLS@aol.com; Hilary Thimmesh;=20 teamtierrabuena@earthlink.net; swseaton@juno.com; Customer Support; = Stock,=20 Darrin; John Soisson; skippy5869@msn.com; simpsonke@aol.com; Louis = Siani;=20 JOSEPH SHIRODA; Vincent Campanaro - SHERIFFX; Valle Jones - SHERIFFX; = Michael=20 Hiett - SHERIFFX; Justin Griffin - SHERIFFX; John Lawhorn - SHERIFFX; = Joe=20 Rosales - SHERIFFX; Gary Braverman - SHERIFFX; Don Doughty - SHERIFFX; = David=20 Joya - SHERIFFX; Craig Kaiser - SHERIFFX; Steve and Pam Seiler; Dani = Seaton;=20 Domingez sheri; rpm126; Tracy Rizzo; Lessner, Rick; = Richard_Olson@apsc.com;=20 Peterson, Edward J(Z74538); edward peterson; pete pete; Pete;=20 perrine@primenet.com; Liz Perrine; Stan Patmor; = onlyshadowknows@qwest.net;=20 Drury mike; msl321@hotmail.com; moysohan@hotmail.com; Michele; Sarah=20 McWilliams; Margaret McWilliams; Allan McWilliams (E-mail); MC-RH; = McKinney,=20 Larry L(Z65045); mary@drwastchak.com; mary.cartwright@chaparral.org; = Mike=20 Lopach; lkkelly@san.rr.com; listserv@azgeocaching.com; = list@planetisuzoo.com;=20 lfernald@earthlink.net; Lega, John; Jefferson Kline; jeff Kline = laptop;=20 kjkelly@san.rr.com; Pamella Kerley; Joreth; jmitchell@cableaz.com; = Jim; Jason;=20 Linda Iffland; Courtney Hinkle; Maria and Jamie Hart; Sandi S = Harrington;=20 Jerome H. Hankins; Mike H.; Michele Grigsby; Krueger Germany;=20 Gaddgett@aol.com; frankofaz@juno.com; fergie@bitwisesystems.com; = Patricia=20 Dustman; dianaworth57@yahoo.com; dharvey93@hotmail.com;=20 deniseblommel@earthlink.net; Delzotto, Debra (Debra); = dcpchiro@aol.com;=20 crphroggy; Cperosi@aol.com; Cheryl_SchaeferLewis@apsc.com; Dawn = Chaddock;=20 bolarms@wellsfargo.com; Rick Beebout; Beebout, Anthony - Perot; = Anthony=20 Beebout; Jeff Beebout WORK; Beebout iii, Richard E(Z03352); bolar = barb; bolar=20 barb; barbara_mcwilliams@oclc.org; BROWN joyce;=20 az-geocaching-request@listserv.azgeocaching.com; = az5troxel@hotmail.com;=20 atolmachoff@msn.com; Tammy J Aragaki; angermaster@att.net; Alexei;=20 albopa@yahoo.com; aeworthington@cox.net; = abdelnour,Doug
Subject:=20 [Az-Geocaching] Fw: Gas prices - A Simple Request

  Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:36:22 -0700

Should read = this...this guy=20 has a pretty good idea. In theory this may work,
but once again you = have to=20 have people that are WILLING to do this.
 
This may = succeed since=20 it would provide a long lasting effect on two
industry leader's = bottom=20 lines. How long can those two company's hold out
until they decide = to start=20 dropping prices? My guess is not much more than 3
to 6=20 weeks.
 
The public not buying gas for one day does nothing = as=20 mentioned below, but
this could make a difference if everyone = follows=20 through with this.
 
Read below for=20 details...
 
Anthony
  
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------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C2ED3A.09B38040-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Mar 18 17:38:17 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Mark Heitowit) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:38:17 -0700 Subject: [[Az-Geocaching] Fw: Gas prices - A Simple Request] Message-ID: <664HcRRMR8416S01.1048009097@uwdvg001.cms.usa.net> Don't buy into this crap. It is an urban legend. Not only will it not lower gas prices, it could raise them. Check out the following site for maor details. http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/petition/gasout.htm "Rick Beebout" wrote: > --------------------------------------------- > Attachment:  > MIME Type: multipart/alternative > --------------------------------------------- > Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:36:22 -0700 > > Should read this...this guy has a pretty good idea. In theory this may work, > but once again you have to have people that are WILLING to do this. > > This may succeed since it would provide a long lasting effect on two > industry leader's bottom lines. How long can those two company's hold out > until they decide to start dropping prices? My guess is not much more than 3 > to 6 weeks. > > The public not buying gas for one day does nothing as mentioned below, but > this could make a difference if everyone follows through with this. > > Read below for details... > > Anthony > > > > > Please follow, > > > > > > > >join the resistance!!!! > > > > > > > >I hear we are going to hit close to $3.00 a gallon by the summer > > > >Want gasoline prices to come down? We need to take some > >intelligent, united action. Phillip Hollsworth, offered this good idea: > > > > > > > >This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain > >day" campaign that was going around last April or May! > > > > > > > > >The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we > >wouldn't continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy gas. It was more > of > >an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them. BUT, who ever > thought > >of this idea, has come up with a plan that can really work. > > > > > > > >Please read it and join with us! By now you're probably thinking > >gasoline priced at about $1.50 is super cheap. Me too! It is currently > $1.97 > >for regular unleaded in my town. > > > > > > > >Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned > >us to think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50- $1.75, we > >need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the > >Marketplace....not sellers. > > > > > > > >With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers > >need to take action. The only way we are going to see the price of gas come > > >down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas! > And > > >we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. > > > > > > > >How? Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying > >gas. > > > >But we CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to > >force a price war. > > > > > > > >Here's the idea: > > > > > > > >For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the > >two biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If they are not > > >selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they > reduce > >their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit. But to have an > >impact, we need to reach literally millions of Exxon and Mobil gas buyers. > >It's really simple to do! Now, don't whip out on me at this point...keep > >reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!! > > > > > > > >I am sending this note to about thirty people. If each of you > >send > > > >it to at least ten more (30 x 10 =300)... and those 300 send it > >to at > > > > >least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000) ... and so on, by the time the > >message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached over > >THREE MILLION consumers! > > > > > > > >If those three million get excited and= pass this on to ten > >friends > > > >each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes > > > >one level further, you guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION > >PEOPLE!!! Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people and DON'T > >purchase ANY gasoline from EXXON and MOBIL. That's all. > > > > > > > >(If you don't understand how we can reach 300 million don't worry > >about it all you have do to is send this to 10 people.... well, let's face > >it, you just aren't a mathematician. But I am... so trust me on this one.) > > > > > > > >How long would all that take? If each of us sends this email out > >to > > > >ten or more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION > >people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!! I'll bet > you > > >didn't think you and I had that much potential, did you! Acting together we > > >can make a difference. If this makes sense to you, please pass this message > > >on. > > > > > > > > > > > >PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE > >AND KEEP THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Should read this...this guy has a pretty good idea. In theory this may work, but once again you have to have people that are WILLING to do this. > > This may succeed since it would provide a long lasting effect on two industry leader's bottom lines. How long can those two company's hold out until they decide to start dropping prices? My guess is not much more than 3 to 6 weeks. > > The public not buying gas for one day does nothing as mentioned below, but this could make a difference if everyone follows through with this. > > Read below for details... > > Anthony > > > > > > > Please follow, > > > > > > > > > > > >join the resistance!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > >I hear we are going to hit close to $3.00 a gallon by the summer > > > > > >Want gasoline prices to come down? We need to take some > > >intelligent, united action. Phillip Hollsworth, offered this good idea: > > > > > > > > > > > >This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain > > >day" campaign that was going around last April or May! > > > > > > > > > > > >The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we > > >wouldn't continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy gas. It was more of > > >an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them. BUT, who ever thought > > >of this idea, has come up with a plan that can really work. > > > > > > > > > > > >Please read it and join with us! By now you're probably thinking > > >gasoline priced at about $1.50 is super cheap. Me too! It is currently $1.97 > > >for regular unleaded in my town. > > > > > > > > > > > >Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned > > >us to think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50- $1.75, we > > >need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the > > >Marketplace....not sellers. > > > > > > > > > > > >With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers > > >need to take action. The only way we are going to see the price of gas come > > >down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas! And > > >we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. > > > > > > > > > > > >How? Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying > > >gas. > > > > > >But we CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to > > >force a price war. > > > > > > > > > > > >Here's the idea: > > > > > > > > > > > >For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the > > >two biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If they are not > > >selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce > > >their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit. But to have an > > >impact, we need to reach literally millions of Exxon and Mobil gas buyers. > > >It's really simple to do! Now, don't whip out on me at this point...keep > > >reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!! > > > > > > > > > > > >I am sending this note to about thirty people. If each of you > > >send > > > > > >it to at least ten more (30 x 10 =300)... and those 300 send it > > >to at > > > > > >least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000) ... and so on, by the time the > > >message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached over > > >THREE MILLION consumers! > > > > > > > > > > > >If those three million get excited and= pass this on to ten > > >friends > > > > > >each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes > > > > > >one level further, you guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION > > >PEOPLE!!! Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people and DON'T > > >purchase ANY gasoline from EXXON and MOBIL. That's all. > > > > > > > > > > > >(If you don't understand how we can reach 300 million don't worry > > >about it all you have do to is send this to 10 people.... well, let's face > > >it, you just aren't a mathematician. But I am... so trust me on this one.) > > > > > > > > > > > >How long would all that take? If each of us sends this email out > > >to > > > > > >ten or more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION > > >people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!! I'll bet you > > >didn't think you and I had that much potential, did you! Acting together we > > >can make a difference. If this makes sense to you, please pass this message > > >on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE > > >AND KEEP THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Mar 18 18:07:56 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Webb Pickersgill) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:07:56 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <011301c2ed79$4e71c5e0$6501010a@pickersgill.local> I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one with a sense of humor about this whole thing. LMAO! TheWebbman Webb Pickersgill -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Team Coyote1022 Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 4:26 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) Well Scott, I match your four and raise you 6 GPS ads I found in the paper and magazines! If I carry those in my hip pocket, they should count also, right??? ROTFLMAO!!! Receive $5.00 just for signing up with PayPal. It's free and I've been using it for all my online purchases since June, 2000 https://www.paypal.com/refer/pal=FPD7ABB6HTC3A -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Scott Nicol Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 4:15 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) I've got 4 GPS's!!!!!! :) Can I claim 4 finds!??!?! :) LOL LOL LOL Yeehaw! I ought to be able to just breeze by ol' CHUMP with this scenario! :O LOL LOL LOL (I ain't ever gonna get by him or Wyle E any other way!) LOL Scott Team RTW (aahh yea, just having some fun on a rainy, stuck in the office/home day!) _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Mar 18 18:46:49 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:46:49 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] following the rules............... of this game of life.. References: Message-ID: <004a01c2ed7e$bdbc6d60$bf01b83f@fishkiller> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C2ED44.0FE4B100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Bull Dog Canyon contact is Paul Libby then and I will find out his name but the Ranger in charge of the = Superstition Wilderness Area will help Regan Then Steve of Team Tierra Buena stated Scott Wood at Tonto National = Forest is our friend...=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Koch, Dan=20 To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com'=20 Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 10:29 AM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] following the rules............... of = this game of life.. Speaking of following the rules, can anyone tell me the name of the = person to contact at the Mesa (or possibly Globe) Ranger District of the = Tonto? When I called yesterday to talk to someone about placing a = geocache, the person answering the phone didn't seem to know what I was = talking about and couldn't tell me who I should talk to. LazyK - Dan -----Original Message----- From: Regan Smith [mailto:buggers@mindspring.com] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:20 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] following the rules............... of this = game of life.. I went down to the Mesa Ranger District today to get a permit for = Bull Dog Canyon, and to ask about the wilderness area caches. I met with = and I forget his name but he is the guy incharge of the Superstition = Wilderness Area and during our conversation which was very positive he = mentioned a simple rule that I doubt any of us have followed... How many = of us as geocachers contacted the Land management agency responsible for = the area where the cache is to be placed?=20 http://www.geocaching.com/articles/making.asp=20 Will it be on private or public land? - If you place it on private = land, please ask permission before putting it there! If you place the = cache on public lands you need to contact the managing agency to find = out about their rules.=20 The Rangers would like to know where the caches are being placed, = and I after mentioning I would like to place a cache in the Bull dog = area was given the email address to the Ranger in charge of that area, = and it was suggested that he might have some ideas for other areas a = cache might be placed.... ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C2ED44.0FE4B100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The Bull Dog Canyon contact is Paul=20 Libby
then and I will find out his name but = the Ranger in=20 charge of the Superstition Wilderness Area will help
 
Regan
 
 
Then Steve of Team Tierra Buena stated  Scott=20 Wood at Tonto National Forest is our = friend... 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Koch,=20 Dan
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 = 10:29=20 AM
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] = following=20 the rules............... of this game of life..

Speaking of following the rules, can anyone tell me the name = of the=20 person to contact at the Mesa (or possibly Globe) Ranger District of = the=20 Tonto?  When I called yesterday to talk to someone about placing = a=20 geocache, the person answering the phone didn't seem to know what I = was=20 talking about and couldn't tell me who I should talk = to.
 
LazyK - Dan
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Regan Smith=20 [mailto:buggers@mindspring.com]
Sent: Friday, March 14, = 2003 7:20=20 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject:=20 [Az-Geocaching] following the rules............... of this game of=20 life..

I went down to the Mesa Ranger = District today=20 to get a permit for Bull Dog Canyon, and to ask about the wilderness = area=20 caches. I met with and I forget his name but he is the guy incharge = of the=20 Superstition Wilderness Area and during our conversation which was = very=20 positive he mentioned a simple rule that I doubt any of us have = followed...=20 How many of us as geocachers contacted the Land management = agency=20 responsible for the area where  the cache is to be = placed?=20
http://www.geocaching.com/articles/making.asp

Will it be on private or = public land?=20 - If you place it on private land, please ask permission before = putting it=20 there! If you place the cache on public lands you need to contact = the=20 managing agency to find out about their rules. =
 
The Rangers would like to know = where the caches=20 are being placed, and I after mentioning I would like to place a = cache in=20 the Bull dog area was given the email address to the Ranger in = charge of=20 that area, and it was suggested that he might have some ideas for=20 other  areas a cache might be placed....
 
 
 
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C2ED44.0FE4B100-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Mar 18 19:15:46 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:15:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: One GPS or Two???? Message-ID: <20030318111546.10517.h014.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Wow....when I turn on my computer and have 80 emails in my inbox, I know there is at least one argument and/or serious technical discussion going on....ho hum.... Trisha "Lightning" Prescott On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, "Andrew Ayre" wrote: Message If I cared about the numbers I would run around getting all the 1/1 caches. Instead I spent a fantastic day on Saturday with my brother-in-law doing the "Peak at the Orthocenter". Two hour climb up and one hour climb down. Total of one find for the whole day, but what a find! Thats how we personally prefer to do our caching. But I understand that other people like other things and as long as they are not harming anyone... :)   Andy  -----Original Message-----From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Webb PickersgillSent: Monday, March 17, 2003 3:27 PMTo: listserv@azgeocaching.comSubject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Re: One GPS or Two???? Well put, Bill.  The same thing happened with the SETI@home project, for those who are familiar with that.  It was a screensaver that allowed you to analyze a packet of data to search for extraterrestrial life.  Some users got so immersed in the "numbers game" that they found a way to hack the screensaver so they could "complete" more packets faster to get a higher ranking, and defeating the purpose of the research project.   TheWebbman Webb Pickersgill    -----Original Message-----From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of BillSent: Monday, March 17, 2003 2:56 PMTo: listserv@azgeocaching.comSubject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: One GPS or Two???? This whole bitterness and bickering over whether these two teams are actually two different teams or just a single team pretending to be two is the perfect illustration of why we love the geocaching hunt but don't log caches.  The whole numbers game has the potential to bring out the worst in people.   Bill ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Although no one can go back and make a brand new start, Anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Mar 18 19:56:19 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:56:19 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: One GPS or Two???? In-Reply-To: <20030318111546.10517.h014.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.critica lpath.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030318125601.02ecaf50@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 11:15 AM 3/18/2003 -0800, you wrote: >Wow....when I turn on my computer and have 80 emails in my inbox, I >know there is at least one argument and/or serious technical >discussion going on....ho hum.... And I wasn't even in the middle of it this time. :-) In liberty, Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Mar 18 20:34:59 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:34:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Fw: Gas prices - A Simple Request Message-ID: <20030318123500.847.h006.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> I agree Andy....plus I had to restrain myself from sending a "reply ALL" to this, with a comment about the spolied attitudes in America...."We rely on our cars so we can't stop buying gas?" Whatever happened to personal responsibility, behavior modification?.....take less pleasure trips, carpool, whatever we can do to reduce our consumption? No wonder Europe in general thinks America in general is spoiled...we are. They have been paying $4-$5 PER GALLON for years. Then I noticed how many of his friends were Maricopa Co Sheriff so I decided to not do that, I am sure they don't want their private email addresses spread all over the internet for just anybody to see! Trisha On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, "Andrew Ayre" wrote: Sure, send this to all your friends, but a Geocaching mailing list? Can't we keep it on topic? If I wanted to read this I would go looking for newsgroups with names like alt.oil or something.   BTW - good one - we can see all the Email addresses of your friends. Shame about their privacy eh?   Andy  -----Original Message-----From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Rick BeeboutSent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 9:32 AMTo: Dawn & Jim Zibrida; Z53371@apsc.com; wworthington@cox.net; Terri Worthington; Delwyn Worthington; Dale Worthington; Danna Work; Chris Woodmansee; wcworthington@earthlink.net; vikki.branham@phoenix.gov; tolmachoff, Mark,Brenda; mark tolmachoff; TLLS@aol.com; Hilary Thimmesh; teamtierrabuena@earthlink.net; swseaton@juno.com; Customer Support; Stock, Darrin; John Soisson; skippy5869@msn.com; simpsonke@aol.com; Louis Siani; JOSEPH SHIRODA; Vincent Campanaro - SHERIFFX; Valle Jones - SHERIFFX; Michael Hiett - SHERIFFX; Justin Griffin - SHERIFFX; John Lawhorn - SHERIFFX; Joe Rosales - SHERIFFX; Gary Braverman - SHERIFFX; Don Doughty - SHERIFFX; David Joya - SHERIFFX; Craig Kaiser - SHERIFFX; Steve and Pam Seiler; Dani Seaton; Domingez sheri; rpm126; Tracy Rizzo; Lessner, Rick; Richard_Olson@apsc.com; Peterson, Edward J(Z74538); edward peterson; pete pete; Pete; perrine@primenet.com; Liz Perrine; Stan Patmor; onlyshadowknows@qwest.net; Drury mike; msl321@hotmail.com; moysohan@hotmail.com; Michele; Sarah McWilliams; Margaret McWilliams; Allan McWilliams (E-mail); MC-RH; McKinney, Larry L(Z65045); mary@drwastchak.com; mary.cartwright@chaparral.org; Mike Lopach; lkkelly@san.rr.com; listserv@azgeocaching.com; list@planetisuzoo.com; lfernald@earthlink.net; Lega, John; Jefferson Kline; jeff Kline laptop; kjkelly@san.rr.com; Pamella Kerley; Joreth; jmitchell@cableaz.com; Jim; Jason; Linda Iffland; Courtney Hinkle; Maria and Jamie Hart; Sandi S Harrington; Jerome H. Hankins; Mike H.; Michele Grigsby; Krueger Germany; Gaddgett@aol.com; frankofaz@juno.com; fergie@bitwisesystems.com; Patricia Dustman; dianaworth57@yahoo.com; dharvey93@hotmail.com; deniseblommel@earthlink.net; Delzotto, Debra (Debra); dcpchiro@aol.com; crphroggy; Cperosi@aol.com; Cheryl_SchaeferLewis@apsc.com; Dawn Chaddock; bolarms@wellsfargo.com; Rick Beebout; Beebout, Anthony - Perot; Anthony Beebout; Jeff Beebout WORK; Beebout iii, Richard E(Z03352); bolar barb; bolar barb; barbara_mcwilliams@oclc.org; BROWN joyce; az-geocaching-request@listserv.azgeocaching.com; az5troxel@hotmail.com; atolmachoff@msn.com; Tammy J Aragaki; angermaster@att.net; Alexei; albopa@yahoo.com; aeworthington@cox.net; abdelnour,DougSubject: [Az-Geocaching] Fw: Gas prices - A Simple Request   Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:36:22 -0700Should read this...this guy has a pretty good idea. In theory this may work,but once again you have to have people that are WILLING to do this.  This may succeed since it would provide a long lasting effect on twoindustry leader's bottom lines. How long can those two company's hold outuntil they decide to start dropping prices? My guess is not much more than 3to 6 weeks. The public not buying gas for one day does nothing as mentioned below, butthis could make a difference if everyone follows through with this. Read below for details... Anthony  Clean Clean DocumentEmail MicrosoftInternetExplorer4 /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";}   [Snipped]   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Although no one can go back and make a brand new start, Anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Mar 18 20:56:58 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (gale and mike) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:56:58 +0000 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Gas prices and geocaching Message-ID:

We've changed our caching behavior as a result of the gas prices. Several caches we planned to set very soon now have to be modified as a result of the gas prices. Doesn't that  qualify it to be a geocaching topic?

>From: "Andrew Ayre"
>Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
>To:
>Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Fw: Gas prices - A Simple Request
>Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:35:04 -0700
>
>Sure, send this to all your friends, but a Geocaching mailing list? Can't we
>keep it on topic? If I wanted to read this I would go looking for newsgroups
>with names like alt.oil or something.
>
>BTW - good one - we can see all the Email addresses of your friends. Shame
>about their privacy eh?
>
>Andy
>

STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Mar 18 21:20:58 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Andrew Ayre) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:20:58 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Gas prices and geocaching In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C2ED59.9849C980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In my opinion how gas prices affect geocaching is a geocaching topic, but I don't think sending spam to boycott a gas station is. Quite simply really. Common sense. Andy -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of gale and mike Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 1:57 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Gas prices and geocaching We've changed our caching behavior as a result of the gas prices. Several caches we planned to set very soon now have to be modified as a result of the gas prices. Doesn't that qualify it to be a geocaching topic? >From: "Andrew Ayre" >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >To: >Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Fw: Gas prices - A Simple Request >Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:35:04 -0700 > >Sure, send this to all your friends, but a Geocaching mailing list? Can't we >keep it on topic? If I wanted to read this I would go looking for newsgroups >with names like alt.oil or something. > >BTW - good one - we can see all the Email addresses of your friends. Shame >about their privacy eh? > >Andy > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C2ED59.9849C980 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In my=20 opinion how gas prices affect geocaching is a geocaching = topic, but I=20 don't think sending spam to boycott a gas station is. Quite simply = really.=20 Common sense.
 

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We've changed our caching behavior as a result of the gas prices. = Several=20 caches we planned to set very soon now have to be modified as a result = of the=20 gas prices. Doesn't that  qualify it to be a geocaching=20 topic?

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------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C2ED59.9849C980-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 19 00:05:53 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Loran Wilcox) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 17:05:53 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) final version References: <004901c2ecc4$a9995a60$697ba8c0@qwest.net> <000f01c2ece3$caa15fe0$f300b83f@fishkiller> <3E768C10.3000501@Snaptek.com> <001f01c2ed56$f1c22c80$2601b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: <002a01c2edab$4ec94900$0500a8c0@one> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Regan Smith" Besides I think I upset Loran as he misspelled his team name ----- When I wrote my reply it wasn't to anyone in particular. It just get bothered by the attitude towards the numbers. The numbers mean nothing except personal accomplishment. They are up to the individual to use them or not however they feel. I like them, I use them, they give me a sense of accomplishment. Personal choice. If someone doesn't like them. Fine. That is there personal choice. If we removed everything from geocaching that someone didn't like we would have nothing left including caches. (ralloD dnaS meaT) naroL From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Mar 18 22:07:04 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RAND HARDIN) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:07:04 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Welcome back Trisha Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C2ED60.092295A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Welcome back Trisha! I hope all went well with your recovery. I'm sure = after you read your 80 emails that you will be up-to-speed on all of the = excitement you've been missing out on. This bad weather we've been havin= g seems to have opened up some good interesting threads! (Us animals get= restless when we're caged too long!) RandMan =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: trisha@brasher.com Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 12:19 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Re: One GPS or Two???? Wow....when I turn on my computer and have 80 emails in my inbox, I know there is at least one argument and/or serious technical discussion going on....ho hum.... Trisha "Lightning" Prescott =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C2ED60.092295A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Welcome back T= risha!  I hope all went well with your recovery.  I'm sure afte= r you read your 80 emails that you will be up-to-speed on all of the= excitement you've been missing out on.  This bad weather we've been= having seems to have opened up some good interesting threads!  (Us = animals get restless when we're caged too long!)
 
RandMan 
 
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------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C2ED60.092295A0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Mar 18 21:12:25 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:12:25 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Fw: Gas prices - A Simple Request In-Reply-To: <20030318123500.847.h006.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalp ath.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030318140825.020f2f70@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 12:34 PM 3/18/2003 -0800, you wrote: >consumption? No wonder Europe in general thinks America in general is >spoiled...we are. They have been paying $4-$5 PER GALLON for years. Not all of that is based on our personal habits. Many Europeans have been paying $4-$5 a gallon for a long time because they have been overtaxed for longer that we have been a country. They have socialized everything and the people there know no other way of life. Do I consider myself spoiled? No. I have been to all of those parts of the world and I am not spoiled, I am LUCKY to have been born in the greatest country in the world with the greatest level of living standard in the world. Spoiled denotes some sort of notion that we have something that we don't deserve, and that simply isn't true. Here I am, back in the middle again. :-) In liberty, Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 19 00:24:18 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:24:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Welcome back Trisha Message-ID: <20030318162419.23070.h010.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Hi Rand, Thanks for the kind words...I am on the "downhill slope" of the recovery and feeling better. Looks like the surgery has been successful, as I have no more airway obstruction problems when I sleep, so that makes all the pain worthwhile. :-)))) Sorry if that was "off-topic" .... That was 80 emails in ONE day...! I can remember about a month ago when I commented the list was so quiet! It's funny how it fluctuates. And ... I won't continue the off-topic comments about whether we here in the US are spoiled or not. Having lived overseas in both Thailand and Germany, my opinions remained formed by my experience. I personally feel both LUCKY and EMBARRASSED to have as much as we have, when so many others have so little. (and appreciate it so much more).... Trisha Prescott On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, "RAND HARDIN" wrote: Welcome back Trisha!  I hope all went well with your recovery.  I'm sure after you read your 80 emails that you will be up-to-speed on all of the excitement you've been missing out on.  This bad weather we've been having seems to have opened up some good interesting threads!  (Us animals get restless when we're caged too long!)   RandMan    ----- Original Message ----- From: trisha@brasher.com Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 12:19 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Re: One GPS or Two????  Wow....when I turn on my computer and have 80 emails in my inbox, Iknow there is at least one argument and/or serious technicaldiscussion going on....ho hum....Trisha "Lightning"Prescott     ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Although no one can go back and make a brand new start, Anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 19 01:14:27 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Mike Ingoglia) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 18:14:27 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Fw: Gas prices - A Simple Request References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030318140825.020f2f70@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: Funny.... I actually just came back from England on Saturday evening.... I couldn't believe the price of fuel over there!!! I wish I did a little geocaching when I was there but I was busy with family.... for some odd reason though I ended up getting the coordinates of Warwick Castle though... had to play with my GPS at least once during the trip. Mike Team LeapLab. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Wood" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 2:12 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Fw: Gas prices - A Simple Request > At 12:34 PM 3/18/2003 -0800, you wrote: > > >consumption? No wonder Europe in general thinks America in general is > >spoiled...we are. They have been paying $4-$5 PER GALLON for years. > > Not all of that is based on our personal habits. Many Europeans have been > paying $4-$5 a gallon for a long time because they have been overtaxed for > longer that we have been a country. They have socialized everything and > the people there know no other way of life. > > Do I consider myself spoiled? No. I have been to all of those parts of > the world and I am not spoiled, I am LUCKY to have been born in the > greatest country in the world with the greatest level of living standard in > the world. Spoiled denotes some sort of notion that we have something that > we don't deserve, and that simply isn't true. > > Here I am, back in the middle again. :-) > > > In liberty, > > Scott > > wood@myblueheaven.com > www.myblueheaven.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 19 05:59:48 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:59:48 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again) final version In-Reply-To: <002a01c2edab$4ec94900$0500a8c0@one> References: <004901c2ecc4$a9995a60$697ba8c0@qwest.net> <000f01c2ece3$caa15fe0$f300b83f@fishkiller> <3E768C10.3000501@Snaptek.com> <001f01c2ed56$f1c22c80$2601b83f@fishkiller> <002a01c2edab$4ec94900$0500a8c0@one> Message-ID: <3E780754.3020502@Snaptek.com> Loran Wilcox wrote: >When I wrote my reply it wasn't to anyone in particular. It just get >bothered by the attitude towards the numbers. The numbers mean nothing >except personal accomplishment. They are up to the individual to use them or >not however they feel. > > With all the stats we provide, I don't think I have ever seen anyone mention how they are doing when compared to all the other geocachers in the same time period that they have been caching, which is the most fare comparison. There is a lot of talk about catching so and so, but when you compare the date, there is no real compition with some of the origional cachers that have a zillion caches to their name... some of the new people are finding the caches at twice the rate of the origional cachers. Also with all the talk about I'm in this for the fun and I don't pay attention to the numbers there hasn't been a single person offer to race someone of a set period of time. All you would need to do is put in the two or more team and the date span into the team stats page and you could clearly see who the "winner" was. As long as all parties are in agreement that they are in a friendly compition, I really can't see the harm in it. Anyway... just a couple of thoughts that I've had over the last couple of days... and since I never did write that geocaching game interface that I said I would a year or more ago...... Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 19 06:08:22 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jeff Moriarty) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 23:08:22 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Poor GPS Signals During War? References: <004901c2ecc4$a9995a60$697ba8c0@qwest.net> <000f01c2ece3$caa15fe0$f300b83f@fishkiller> <3E768C10.3000501@Snaptek.com> <001f01c2ed56$f1c22c80$2601b83f@fishkiller> <002a01c2edab$4ec94900$0500a8c0@one> <3E780754.3020502@Snaptek.com> Message-ID: <002201c2eddd$f42cb080$0301a8c0@kong> Looks like Geocaching might be a tad more difficult when the war finally gets going! >From the article: "The German automobile club AvD said experts fear that just before military action against Iraq, which seems likely to start later this week, the signals will be encoded in order to make them less accurate. The argument is that by doing so, the enemy -- in this case Iraq -- would not be able to exploit the system to pinpoint US-led forces sweeping into the country. Currently, the GPS system has an accuracy to within around five metresfeet), but AvD said it could be reduced to more than 100 metres." http://www.spacedaily.com/2003/030318154133.7p1uva5u.html j. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 19 06:19:47 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 23:19:47 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: One GPS or Two???? In-Reply-To: <20030318111546.10517.h014.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> References: <20030318111546.10517.h014.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: <3E780C03.6040004@Snaptek.com> trisha@brasher.com wrote: >Wow....when I turn on my computer and have 80 emails in my inbox, I >know there is at least one argument and/or serious technical >discussion going on....ho hum.... > > When I turn on my e-mail after a couple of hours of not reading it and there are only 80 spam.. it's a really light day. I wish I could tell the world that I'm not interested in viagra, or lengening my penis, or copying any DVD with a standard cdrom burner... I also want to tell the people in africa that send me the same sort of message 12 times a day, every day, to the geocaching mailing list saying "you are probably suprised to be receiving this..." ...stupid nigerian scam!... no I'm not... I got it from you 4 times (once to ever e-mail alias the listserv has ever had). I'm also not interested in refinancing my house (especially with some lame company that can't even fine a decent adverticing medium), or cheap inkjet refills, or "brother sister action"... you would swear by my inbox that I must be some sort of porn freak to get such spam... It is sorta lame that you can't seem to keep an e-mail address forever or it get overrun by garbage and filth... All I can say is.... thank rudy (old bill cosby sketch about not bothering god) for spamassassin......... Ahhhh... venting goooood... I feel better now. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 19 06:44:20 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (gale and mike) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 06:44:20 +0000 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] from a week ago: Pentagon pledges 'no global GPS blackout' Message-ID:

A friend of mine sent me this about a week ago. It says that the military can do localized blackouts of GPS and pledged not to change the GPS in the US in the event of war. Only time will tell.


 

>Pentagon pledges 'no global GPS blackout'
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MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 19 06:53:36 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 23:53:36 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Poor GPS Signals During War? In-Reply-To: <002201c2eddd$f42cb080$0301a8c0@kong> References: <004901c2ecc4$a9995a60$697ba8c0@qwest.net> <000f01c2ece3$caa15fe0$f300b83f@fishkiller> <3E768C10.3000501@Snaptek.com> <001f01c2ed56$f1c22c80$2601b83f@fishkiller> <002a01c2edab$4ec94900$0500a8c0@one> <3E780754.3020502@Snaptek.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030318234802.0363ffc0@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 11:08 PM 3/18/2003 -0700, you wrote: >The argument is that by doing so, the enemy -- in this case Iraq -- would >not be able to exploit the system to pinpoint US-led forces sweeping into >the country. I have been thinking about this alot, and one of the last major programs that I worked on while in the Air Force was a GPS system. I guess only time will tell, but I sort of doubt that anything will change. Selective Availability was a logistical nightmare, and if the war starts sometime after 6 pm tomorrow, there really isn't enough time for the troops to get back up to speed on it. Not that they are not capable, but there would be alot of "ground work" that would have to be done first. As I said, we will most likely know tomorrow, but I am not really sure how someone like Iraq would be able to use the signal against us, we already know that they have bought a number of signal jammers to try and lead our weapons off target, but I doubt that they have any weapons that are GPS guided. This is of course speculation, but we should know within the next 24 hours or so. In liberty, Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 19 13:29:18 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RAND HARDIN) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 06:29:18 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] GPS Clinic Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C2EDE0.DE9EC700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Did anyone attend the GPS Clinic at the REI in Paradise Valley last night= ? If so, how was it? Did the Clinic cover anything more than basics? I= see that there is another Clinic tonight at 7:00 at the REI in Tempe. RandMan ----- Original Message ----- From: HighwayHavoc Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 6:49 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] GPS Clinic For those who might be interested: Introduction to GPS Join Chris Miller, our local REI GPS wizard, as he presents a clinic on introductory GPS use. Chris will discuss how the Global Positioning System works and how the handheld GPS device can help you navigate through the backcountry. If you own a GPS system or are thinking of purchasing one, this clinic will help you become more comfortable and versed with how they function * March 18th @ REI Paradise Valley * March 19th @ REI Tempe * 7:00pm to 8:30pm * FREE ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C2EDE0.DE9EC700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Did anyone att= end the GPS Clinic at the REI in Paradise Valley last night?  I= f so, how was it?  Did the Clinic cover anything more than basi= cs?  I see that there is another Clinic tonight at 7:00 at the = REI in Tempe.
 
RandMan
 
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Friday, February 28, 2= 003 6:49 PM
To: listserv@azg= eocaching.com
Subject: [Az-G= eocaching] GPS Clinic
 
For those who might be inter= ested:

Introduction to GPS
Join Chris Miller, our local REI GPS= wizard, as he
presents a clinic on introductory GPS use. Chris willdiscuss how the Global Positioning System works and
how the handheld= GPS device can help you navigate
through the backcountry. If you own = a GPS system or
are thinking of purchasing one, this clinic will help<= BR>you become more comfortable and versed with how they
function
* = March 18th @ REI Paradise Valley
* March 19th @ REI Tempe
* 7:00pm = to 8:30pm
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------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C2EDE0.DE9EC700-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 19 14:27:55 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 07:27:55 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods Message-ID: <003801c2ee23$bcb8f820$eb11b83f@fishkiller> Howdy this question has me stumped (I do think it has to do with the name on your mailing program)... . > > When I look in the archieve list, several e-mails show > listserv@azgeocaching.com at the end of the title while others show a name. > What do you have to do to get a name in that location? > > Cheers, > Tom From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 19 15:17:10 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 08:17:10 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods In-Reply-To: <003801c2ee23$bcb8f820$eb11b83f@fishkiller> References: <003801c2ee23$bcb8f820$eb11b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: <3E7889F6.9040706@Snaptek.com> Regan Smith wrote: >this question has me stumped (I do think it has to do with the name on your >mailing program).. > > >>When I look in the archieve list, several e-mails show >>listserv@azgeocaching.com at the end of the title while others show a >> >> >name. > > >>What do you have to do to get a name in that location? >> >> What "name" are you talking about? Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 19 16:58:21 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (HighwayHavoc) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 08:58:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] GPS Clinic In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030319165821.31868.qmail@web40503.mail.yahoo.com> Seeing as how I posted the original msg, I went to the lecture last night. I've gotta say I was rather disappointed. Chris, an REI employee, gave the lecture. For my taste, he was long-winded, spoke VERY generally, and didn't answer the questions from the group. His typical replies were to either look in the manual, or he would cover that question in a minute. Well, he went 20 minutes overtime, and still didn't adequately 'cover that question'. The lecture was heavy on the Garmin side of life, like 98.75%, covering the different models as well as software available. Although I am a Garmin user myself, I would have preferred more of a balance with at least the Magellan, just because I am unfamiliar with that product line. Chris did mention geocaching in a positive light. When asking the group if anyone had tried geocaching, I was the only response and ellaborated on Chris' comments. Last thought (there's never a 'last thought'), I personally wouldn't recommend last nights lecture to anyone who has already purchased a GPS. However, I can't speak for the lecture tonight in Tempe. Perhaps tonight will have another representative who will cover the subjects with more clarity. Mark A. Pedersen --- RAND HARDIN wrote: > Did anyone attend the GPS Clinic at the REI in > Paradise Valley last night? If so, how was it? Did > the Clinic cover anything more than basics? I see > that there is another Clinic tonight at 7:00 at the > REI in Tempe. > > RandMan __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 19 17:35:34 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:35:34 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods References: <003801c2ee23$bcb8f820$eb11b83f@fishkiller> <3E7889F6.9040706@Snaptek.com> Message-ID: <000d01c2ee3d$f39d8e40$c729b83f@fishkiller> This is a short copy from the page http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/pipermail/az-geocaching/2003-March/thread.h tml Starting: Sun Mar 2 14:25:01 2003 Ending: Wed Mar 19 16:58:21 2003 Messages: 214 [Az-Geocaching] new face at #1! Scott Nicol [Az-Geocaching] new face at #1! Brian Cluff [Az-Geocaching] new face at #1! Scott Wood [Az-Geocaching] new face at #1! Loran Wilcox [Az-Geocaching] new face at #1! Regan Smith does the question make sense? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Cluff" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods > Regan Smith wrote: > > >this question has me stumped (I do think it has to do with the name on your > >mailing program).. > > > > > >>When I look in the archieve list, several e-mails show > >>listserv@azgeocaching.com at the end of the title while others show a > >> > >> > >name. > > > > > >>What do you have to do to get a name in that location? > >> > >> > What "name" are you talking about? > > Brian Cluff > Team Snaptek > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 19 18:04:12 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:04:12 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods In-Reply-To: <000d01c2ee3d$f39d8e40$c729b83f@fishkiller> References: <003801c2ee23$bcb8f820$eb11b83f@fishkiller> <3E7889F6.9040706@Snaptek.com> <000d01c2ee3d$f39d8e40$c729b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: <3E78B11C.8070407@snaptek.com> OK... figured it out. The difference is the people, like trisha for example, that haven't set a name to go with their e-mail address. Basicly, the mailing list tries to get rid of people's e-mail addresses to protect their privacy, but if you haven't set a name, there is no information left identifying the sender, so it appears that it just defaults to putting the mailing list address in place of the name. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek Regan Smith wrote: > This is a short copy from the page > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/pipermail/az-geocaching/2003-March/thread.h > tml > > Starting: Sun Mar 2 14:25:01 2003 > Ending: Wed Mar 19 16:58:21 2003 > Messages: 214 > > > [Az-Geocaching] new face at #1! Scott Nicol > [Az-Geocaching] new face at #1! Brian Cluff > [Az-Geocaching] new face at #1! Scott Wood > [Az-Geocaching] new face at #1! Loran Wilcox > [Az-Geocaching] new face at #1! Regan Smith From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 19 18:16:15 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Sparks) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:16:15 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Poor GPS Signals During War? Message-ID: <3E78B3EF.8010006@mchsi.com> --------------020908020201040503070907 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does all of this mean I shouldn't try to find "Mushkulah" by M0M0 (GC8A60) this weekend? -- Sprocket >From: "gale and mike" >To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 06:44:20 +0000 >Subject: [Az-Geocaching] from a week ago: Pentagon pledges 'no global GPS blackout' >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > >A friend of mine sent me this about a week ago. It says that the military can do localized blackouts of GPS and pledged not to change the GPS in the US in the event of war. Only time will tell. > --------------020908020201040503070907 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does all of this mean I shouldn't try to find "Mushkulah" by M0M0 (GC8A60) this weekend?

-- Sprocket


From: "gale and mike" <sonoralovesmommy@hotmail.com>
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 06:44:20 +0000
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] from a week ago: Pentagon pledges 'no global GPS blackout'
Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com

A friend of mine sent me this about a week ago. It says that the military can do localized blackouts of GPS and pledged not to change the GPS in the US in the event of war. Only time will tell.
--------------020908020201040503070907-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 19 20:00:49 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 13:00:49 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] GPS, War and Selective Availability Message-ID: <000f01c2ee52$3d584840$0500a8c0@fbidaemon> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C2EE17.90BC6740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I read somewhere (possibly military.com) about how selective = availability is advanced enough now that it can be configured to be in = effect regionally (specifically in the zone of conflict) throughout the = world. That being said, it IS possible that only the middle east will = be affected by it, but who knows? As with everyone else, ONLY TIME WILL = TELL. Off-topic: When I got up this morning, I couldn't help but notice this sense of = 'dread' enveloping my conscience. Granted, it could be just paranoia, = or hyper-sensitivity to what's going on in the world and how it could = affect me, my family, and society. I guess my hope is that the = inevitable that we all 'expect', never happens. That being further = attacks on US soil once the bombs start falling. Brian Team A.I. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C2EE17.90BC6740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I read somewhere (possibly = military.com) about how=20 selective availability is advanced enough now that it can be configured = to be in=20 effect regionally (specifically in the zone of = conflict) throughout=20 the world.  That being said, it IS possible that only the middle = east will=20 be affected by it, but who knows?  As with everyone else, ONLY TIME = WILL=20 TELL.
 
Off-topic:
 
When I got up this morning, I couldn't = help but=20 notice this sense of 'dread' enveloping my conscience.  Granted, it = could=20 be just paranoia, or hyper-sensitivity to what's going on in the = world and=20 how it could affect me, my family, and society.  I guess my hope is = that=20 the inevitable that we all 'expect', never happens.  That being = further=20 attacks on US soil once the bombs start falling.
 
Brian
Team A.I.
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C2EE17.90BC6740-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 19 21:25:21 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Mike Ingoglia) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:25:21 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] GPS Clinic References: <20030319165821.31868.qmail@web40503.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0c3301c2ee5e$0c289d40$cf98a8c0@Mike> Of course they mentioned geocaching in a "positive light"... I'm sure a large percentage of their sales are to customers that may be purchasing it with the intention on using it for geocaching.... also, it's a lot easier to sell a GPS when you can offer a "use" for it... I purchased my first GPS several years ago for the "geek" value in it definately not because I had an actual use for it. :-) Most aren't this way. ----- Original Message ----- From: "HighwayHavoc" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] GPS Clinic > Seeing as how I posted the original msg, I went to the > lecture last night. I've gotta say I was rather > disappointed. Chris, an REI employee, gave the > lecture. For my taste, he was long-winded, spoke VERY > generally, and didn't answer the questions from the > group. His typical replies were to either look in the > manual, or he would cover that question in a minute. > Well, he went 20 minutes overtime, and still didn't > adequately 'cover that question'. > > The lecture was heavy on the Garmin side of life, like > 98.75%, covering the different models as well as > software available. Although I am a Garmin user > myself, I would have preferred more of a balance with > at least the Magellan, just because I am unfamiliar > with that product line. > > Chris did mention geocaching in a positive light. When > asking the group if anyone had tried geocaching, I was > the only response and ellaborated on Chris' comments. > > Last thought (there's never a 'last thought'), I > personally wouldn't recommend last nights lecture to > anyone who has already purchased a GPS. However, I > can't speak for the lecture tonight in Tempe. Perhaps > tonight will have another representative who will > cover the subjects with more clarity. > > Mark A. Pedersen > > --- RAND HARDIN wrote: > > Did anyone attend the GPS Clinic at the REI in > > Paradise Valley last night? If so, how was it? Did > > the Clinic cover anything more than basics? I see > > that there is another Clinic tonight at 7:00 at the > > REI in Tempe. > > > > RandMan > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! > http://platinum.yahoo.com > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 19 22:10:48 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:10:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Lost Ark cache reported missing Message-ID: <20030319221048.17958.qmail@web21109.mail.yahoo.com> --0-465349754-1048111848=:17252 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Here is a note posted to the Groundspeak forum by Indiana Jeff: Well, my LOST ARK cache has gone missing...I had it on top of a mountain which required a 3 hour hike up, with no trails, so I can only assume that a park ranger or deranged anti-geocacher has taken it...however, I will replace it at a new location and make it a little harder to get the exact coordinates next time...GEOCACHERS BEWARE! THE GEOCACHER THIEF IS ON THE LOOSE IN THE PHOENIX AREA! --0-465349754-1048111848=:17252 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Here is a note posted to the Groundspeak forum by Indiana Jeff:

Well, my LOST ARK cache has gone missing...I had it on top of a mountain which required a 3 hour hike up, with no trails, so I can only assume that a park ranger or deranged anti-geocacher has taken it...however, I will replace it at a new location and make it a little harder to get the exact coordinates next time...GEOCACHERS BEWARE! THE GEOCACHER THIEF IS ON THE LOOSE IN THE PHOENIX AREA!

--0-465349754-1048111848=:17252-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 19 22:33:20 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (gale and mike) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 22:33:20 +0000 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] historical info on benchmarks Message-ID:
For those of you who have gone to Lonesome Bush cache and seen the benchmark there, I have a little information on the benchmarks in that area. This is courtesy of the Casa Grande Valley Historical Society.
 
"Local speculation states that these benchmarks were used for aerial surveys by the army when they would fly their U2 planes. The reason being was to synchronize their cameras for accuracy on reconnaissance missions."
 
They weren't sure of that information so I'm still trying to find out exactly why they were put there. If anyone is interested, I'll post any further information I find out. I won"t be spilling any military secrets.The army no longer uses that area. The benchmarks and concrete pads are in disrepair and most of the land is now privately owned.

MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 19 22:35:05 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (HighwayHavoc) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:35:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] GPS Clinic In-Reply-To: <0c3301c2ee5e$0c289d40$cf98a8c0@Mike> Message-ID: <20030319223505.27592.qmail@web40512.mail.yahoo.com> Actually, there were quite a few folks at the lecture who appeared to be retired and are traveling across the country in their RV's. Then there were the usual mountaineering/hiking sort. Before I bought mine, I was involved with a group that used GPS for placement/recovery of transponders in the ocean, and for security of the zones the transponders were in. As far as my kids are concerned, the most useful feature of the GPS (besides finding caches) is the speedometer. They love to take the device and run around, trying to see who is the fastest. Mark A. Pedersen --- Mike Ingoglia wrote: > Of course they mentioned geocaching in a "positive > light"... I'm sure a > large percentage of their sales are to customers > that may be purchasing it > with the intention on using it for geocaching.... > also, it's a lot easier > to sell a GPS when you can offer a "use" for it... > I purchased my first GPS > several years ago for the "geek" value in it > definately not because I had an > actual use for it. :-) Most aren't this way. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 19 22:50:49 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Webb Pickersgill) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:50:49 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Lost Ark cache reported missing In-Reply-To: <20030319221048.17958.qmail@web21109.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002d01c2ee69$fd3d8780$6501010a@pickersgill.local> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C2EE2F.50DEAF80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I haven't been signed up with the listserv very long, so I apologize if this is a stupid question: Is there a history around here of someone stealing caches? :( Webb -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of ken@highpointer.com Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 3:11 PM To: Listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Lost Ark cache reported missing Here is a note posted to the Groundspeak forum by Indiana Jeff: Well, my LOST ARK cache has gone missing...I had it on top of a mountain which required a 3 hour hike up, with no trails, so I can only assume that a park ranger or deranged anti-geocacher has taken it...however, I will replace it at a new location and make it a little harder to get the exact coordinates next time...GEOCACHERS BEWARE! THE GEOCACHER THIEF IS ON THE LOOSE IN THE PHOENIX AREA! ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C2EE2F.50DEAF80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I=20 haven't been signed up with the listserv very long, so I apologize if = this is a=20 stupid question:  Is there a history around here of = someone stealing=20 caches?  :(
 
Webb
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of=20 ken@highpointer.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 3:11 = PM
To: Listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: = [Az-Geocaching]=20 Lost Ark cache reported missing

Here is a note posted to the Groundspeak=20 forum by Indiana=20 Jeff:

Well, my LOST ARK cache has gone = missing...I had=20 it on top of a mountain which required a 3 hour hike up, with no = trails, so I=20 can only assume that a park ranger or deranged anti-geocacher has = taken=20 it...however, I will replace it at a new location and make it a little = harder=20 to get the exact coordinates next time...GEOCACHERS BEWARE! THE = GEOCACHER=20 THIEF IS ON THE LOOSE IN THE PHOENIX AREA!=20

------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C2EE2F.50DEAF80-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 19 23:00:56 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jerry Nelson) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:00:56 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Lost Ark cache reported missing References: <20030319221048.17958.qmail@web21109.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008b01c2ee6b$66c9ae80$23fb6a44@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0088_01C2EE30.BA387BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What's the chance it was found by someone involved in recovery of the = nearby plane crash who didn't know what is was? Jerry Offtrail ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ken@highpointer.com=20 To: Listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 3:10 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Lost Ark cache reported missing Here is a note posted to the Groundspeak forum by Indiana Jeff: Well, my LOST ARK cache has gone missing...I had it on top of a = mountain which required a 3 hour hike up, with no trails, so I can only = assume that a park ranger or deranged anti-geocacher has taken = it...however, I will replace it at a new location and make it a little = harder to get the exact coordinates next time...GEOCACHERS BEWARE! THE = GEOCACHER THIEF IS ON THE LOOSE IN THE PHOENIX AREA!=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0088_01C2EE30.BA387BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
What's the chance it was found by = someone involved=20 in recovery of the nearby plane crash who didn't know what is = was?
 
Jerry
Offtrail
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 ken@highpointer.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 = 3:10=20 PM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Lost = Ark cache=20 reported missing

Here is a note posted to the Groundspeak=20 forum by Indiana=20 Jeff:

Well, my LOST ARK cache has gone = missing...I had=20 it on top of a mountain which required a 3 hour hike up, with no = trails, so I=20 can only assume that a park ranger or deranged anti-geocacher has = taken=20 it...however, I will replace it at a new location and make it a little = harder=20 to get the exact coordinates next time...GEOCACHERS BEWARE! THE = GEOCACHER=20 THIEF IS ON THE LOOSE IN THE PHOENIX AREA!=20

------=_NextPart_000_0088_01C2EE30.BA387BE0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 19 23:41:17 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Mike Ingoglia) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:41:17 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] GPS Clinic References: <20030319223505.27592.qmail@web40512.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <169501c2ee71$098d1030$cf98a8c0@Mike> I use the MPH feature to see how fast I'm going when I'm pegged in 6th gear at the Glamis dunes going around a 300' high 1/4mi wide bowl that's so steep you can't walk up it and is so soft that if you were to walk in it it you would sink past your knees. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "HighwayHavoc" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] GPS Clinic > Actually, there were quite a few folks at the lecture > who appeared to be retired and are traveling across > the country in their RV's. Then there were the usual > mountaineering/hiking sort. Before I bought mine, I > was involved with a group that used GPS for > placement/recovery of transponders in the ocean, and > for security of the zones the transponders were in. > > As far as my kids are concerned, the most useful > feature of the GPS (besides finding caches) is the > speedometer. They love to take the device and run > around, trying to see who is the fastest. > > Mark A. Pedersen > > --- Mike Ingoglia wrote: > > Of course they mentioned geocaching in a "positive > > light"... I'm sure a > > large percentage of their sales are to customers > > that may be purchasing it > > with the intention on using it for geocaching.... > > also, it's a lot easier > > to sell a GPS when you can offer a "use" for it... > > I purchased my first GPS > > several years ago for the "geek" value in it > > definately not because I had an > > actual use for it. :-) Most aren't this way. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! > http://platinum.yahoo.com > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Mar 20 01:12:21 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 18:12:21 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Lost Ark cache reported missing In-Reply-To: <008b01c2ee6b$66c9ae80$23fb6a44@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <000201c2ee7d$c9070b80$6401a8c0@DESKTOP> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C2EE43.1CA83380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What's the chance it was found by someone involved in recovery of the nearby plane crash who didn't know what is was? Jerry Offtrail I suppose it's possible, but the crash was 26 January, and there are two find logs since then, including one on 8 March. Steve Team Tierra Buena ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C2EE43.1CA83380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

What's the chance it was found by someone involved in recovery of the nearby plane crash who didn't know what is = was?

 

Jerry

Offtrail

 

=

I suppose it’s possible, but the crash was 26 January, = and there are two find logs since then, including one on 8 = March.

 

Steve
Team Tierra Buena

------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C2EE43.1CA83380-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Mar 20 01:36:46 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Nicol) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:36:46 -0800 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Lost Ark cache reported missing Message-ID: Lost Ark was one of my favorite caches. I teamed up with Frobro D-Dubs and Frobro Goose for that one. We did it in July and it was rather hot out! :) We left at sunrise and returned to the trucks at like 11:00am or sometime around then. A long morning. But, the hike, the cache and the views made it very worthwhile. Sorry to see that one has gone missing. I would find it hard to beleive someone took it. I cant imagine anyone going up there! (but a few insane, hardcore geocachers!). I agree with Jerry that perhaps the investigation from the plane wreck might have taken it. They scour the wreckage areas and dont miss a thing. If I recall someone saying, that wreck was rather close to were the cache was. I do want to thank Indiana Jeff for placing that cache! That was a HUGE ammo box! I carried a small ammo box up to my cache.. RTW-1 and know what that was like! I cant imagine carrying an ammmo box that big up there! You need both hands on that climb!!! Scott Team Ropingthewind _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Mar 20 05:49:15 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 22:49:15 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] A Big Step in the Right Direction Message-ID: <000201c2eea4$71c7c540$6401a8c0@DESKTOP> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C2EE69.C56F07C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Because of the recent controversy surrounding the Goat Camp cache I have been checking the Maricopa County Parks (MCP) web site from time to time. This evening I discovered that they have published their revised Geocaching policy at http://www.maricopa.gov/parks/news/. In my opinion it's a very fair policy. No surprise, it requires that permission be obtained from the Park Supervisor before placing a cache. I really like MCP's concept, which they first articulated at the land management meeting last September but never before published, that less restrictive placement considerations will apply to caches planned for more than two miles from the trailhead. One thing it doesn't address, and I don't recall it ever coming under discussion, is what to do about caches already placed without permission. I urge us to take the lead in this. If you have a cache placed within MCP land for which you have not received permission, please contact the appropriate Park Supervisor as soon as you can. Tell him or her that you've seen the new policy on the web site and that you'd like to obtain permission for your cache to remain. I plan on doing this for Grandma Sarah's Cache, which we hid in the McDowell Mountain Regional Park several months before the Republic article. When permission is obtained, update your cache's description page to reflect that fact. If you know someone who's hidden a cache within MCP who may not subscribe to this list, please let them know about the policy. If a cache of yours is obviously in violation of the policy as stated on the Web site, it would be best if you removed it and sought a permit to place it in a new location within the park. If you happen to find a cache within MCP that's in obvious violation of the rules, please consider contacting the cache owner privately and letting them know about the MCP policy. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that other land managers are aware of what MCP has done and will be watching what transpires to see if and how well it works. What we do and don't do in MCP now could affect the future of Geocaching throughout the state. Steve Team Tierra Buena ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C2EE69.C56F07C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Because of the recent controversy surrounding the Goat Camp cache I have been checking the Maricopa County = Parks (MCP) web site from time to time. This evening I discovered that they have = published their revised Geocaching policy at http://www.maricopa.gov/park= s/news/.

 

In my opinion it’s a very fair = policy. No surprise, it requires that permission be obtained from the Park = Supervisor before placing a cache. I really like MCP’s concept, which they = first articulated at the land management meeting last September but never = before published, that less restrictive placement considerations will apply to = caches planned for more than two miles from the trailhead.

 

One thing it doesn’t address, = and I don’t recall it ever coming under discussion, is what to do about caches = already placed without permission. I urge us to take the lead in this. If you = have a cache placed within MCP land for which you have not received permission, = please contact the appropriate Park Supervisor as soon as you can. Tell him or = her that you’ve seen the new policy on the web site and that = you’d like to obtain permission for your cache to remain. I plan on doing this for = Grandma Sarah’s Cache, which we hid in the = McDowell = Mountain = Regional = Park = several months before the Republic article. When permission = is obtained, update your cache’s description page to reflect that = fact.

 

If you know someone who’s = hidden a cache within MCP who may not subscribe to this list, please let them = know about the policy. If a cache of yours is obviously in violation of the policy = as stated on the Web site, it would be best if you removed it and sought a permit = to place it in a new location within the park.  If you happen to find a cache = within MCP that’s in obvious violation of the rules, please consider = contacting the cache owner privately and letting them know about the MCP = policy.

 

It wouldn’t surprise me to = learn that other land managers are aware of what MCP has done and will be watching = what transpires to see if and how well it works. What we do and don’t = do in MCP now could affect the future of Geocaching throughout the = state.

 

Steve

Team Tierra = Buena

------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C2EE69.C56F07C0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Mar 20 15:25:36 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 08:25:36 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] A Big Step in the Right Direction In-Reply-To: <000201c2eea4$71c7c540$6401a8c0@DESKTOP> References: <000201c2eea4$71c7c540$6401a8c0@DESKTOP> Message-ID: <3E79DD70.4010403@Snaptek.com> From the news site: > Site Stewards report recent damage and several damaged sites had a common link, a cache had been placed on each site. When did this statment become plural? Is that the site stewards official statment now? Last I had heard was that a site (thats been clearly marked on maps for 40+ years) had been destroyed by one person (except everyone else that went to the site said they didn't see any damage), and the "proof" that geocachers had done it was a geocache that just happened to be near by. If they are adding to the number of sites that have been "destroyed", why aren't we hearing about them.... and if they aren't, why is the MCP adding to our tally for them.. it really makes us look bad, and without any REAL proof. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Mar 20 23:22:50 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Loran Wilcox) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 16:22:50 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] A Big Step in the Right Direction References: <000201c2eea4$71c7c540$6401a8c0@DESKTOP> Message-ID: <001c01c2ef37$a09eda00$0500a8c0@one> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C2EEFC.F3BB41A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Steve When reading the policy I too found the reference to site damage very = damaging to geocaching. To an outsider that statement makes it look like = geocaching is destroying archeological sites and any individual. Is = there a way of getting that statement removed and replacing it with = something to the fact that cooperation is needed to remove the = possibility of caches being placed on or near archeological sites to = avoid possible damage to these sites. This will put an emphasis on the = need for coordination in placing a cache while at the same time not = shedding a bad light on geocaching. Loran (Team Sand Dollar) ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C2EEFC.F3BB41A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Steve
 
When reading the policy I too found the = reference to site=20 damage very damaging to geocaching. To an outsider that statement makes = it look=20 like geocaching is destroying archeological sites and any = individual.  Is=20 there a way of getting that statement removed and replacing it with = something to=20 the fact that cooperation is needed to remove the possibility of caches = being=20 placed on or near archeological sites to avoid possible damage to these=20 sites.  This will put an emphasis on the need for coordination in = placing a=20 cache while at the same time not shedding a bad light on=20 geocaching.
 
Loran (Team Sand Dollar)
 
------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C2EEFC.F3BB41A0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Mar 20 22:13:09 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 17:13:09 -0500 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Do Not Forget Message-ID: <20030320221308.KOWV1451.fed1mtao07.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=____1048198389706_QiyoCDw'+2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "DO NOT FORGET" I sat in a movie theater watching "Schindler's List," asked myself, "Why didn't the Jews fight back?" Now I know why. I sat in a movie theater, watching "Pearl Harbor" and asked myself, "Why weren't we prepared?" Now I know why. Civilized people cannot fathom, much less predict, the actions of evil people. On September 11, dozens of capable airplane passengers allowed themselves to be overpowered by a handful of poorly armed terrorists because they did not comprehend the depth of hatred that motivated their captors. On September 11, thousands of innocent people were murdered because too many Americans naively reject the reality that some nations are dedicated to the dominance of others. Many political pundits, pacifists and media personnel want us to forget the carnage. They say we must focus on the bravery of the rescuers and ignore the cowardice of the killers. They implore us to understand the motivation of the perpetrators. Major television stations have announced they will assist the healing process by not replaying devastating footage of the planes crashing into the Twin Towers. I will not be manipulated. I will not pretend to understand. I will not forget. I will not forget the liberal media who abused freedom of the press to kick our country when it was vulnerable and hurting. I will not forget that CBS anchor Dan Rather preceded President Bush's address to the nation with the snide remark, "No matter how you feel about him, he is still our president." I will not forget that ABC TV anchor Peter Jennings questioned President Bush's motives for not returning immediately to Washington, DC and commented, "We're all pretty skeptical and cynical about Washington." And I will not forget that ABC's Mark Halperin warned if reporters weren't informed of every little detail of this war, they aren't "likely -- nor should they be expected -- to show deference." I will not isolate myself from my fellow Americans by pretending an attack on the USS Cole in Yemen was not an attack on the United States of America. I will not forget the Clinton administration equipped Islamic terrorists and their supporters with the world's most sophisticated telecommunications equipment and encryption technology, thereby compromising America's ability to trace terrorist radio, cell phone, land lines, faxes and modem communications. I will not be appeased with pointless, quick retaliatory strikes like those perfected by the previous administration. I will not be comforted by "feel-good, do nothing" regulations like the silly, "Have your bags been under your control?" question at the airport. I will not be influenced by so called,"antiwar demonstrators" who exploit the right of _expression to chant anti-American obscenities. I will not forget the moral victory handed the North Vietnamese by American war protesters who reviled and spat upon the returning soldiers, airmen, sailors and marines. I will not be softened by the wishful thinking of pacifists who chose reassurance over reality. I will embrace the wise words of Prime Minister Tony Blair who told the Labor Party conference, "They have no moral inhibition on the slaughter of the innocent. If they could have murdered not 7,000 but 70,000, does anyone doubt they would have done so and rejoiced in it? There is no compromise possible with such people, no meeting of minds, no point of understanding with such terror. Just a choice: defeat it or be defeated by it. And defeat it we must!" I will force myself to: -hear the weeping -feel the helplessness -imagine the terror -sense the panic -smell the burning flesh - experience the loss - remember the hatred. I sat in a movie theater, watching "Private Ryan" and asked myself, "Where did they find the courage?" Now I know. We have no choice. Living without liberty is not living. -- Ed Evans, MGySgt., USMC (Ret.) Not as lean, Not as mean, But still a Marine. Keep this going until every living American has read it and memorized it so we don't make the same mistake again ------=____1048198389706_QiyoCDw'+2 Content-Type: text/html; name="reply" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="reply"
Steve
 
When reading the policy I too found the reference to site damage very damaging to geocaching. To an outsider that statement makes it look like geocaching is destroying archeological sites and any individual.  Is there a way of getting that statement removed and replacing it with something to the fact that cooperation is needed to remove the possibility of caches being placed on or near archeological sites to avoid possible damage to these sites.  This will put an emphasis on the need for coordination in placing a cache while at the same time not shedding a bad light on geocaching.
 
Loran (Team Sand Dollar)
 
------=____1048198389706_QiyoCDw'+2-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Mar 20 23:35:18 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Koch, Dan) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 16:35:18 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] A Big Step in the Right Direction Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2EF39.5E07A990 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Looks like someone in Florida thought that Team Cache-Quest's "Catch that Coyote" cache was good enough to copy... http://www.geocaching.com/track/track_detail.asp?ID=23868 Anyone know of any similar cache/travelbug combos? LazyK - Dan ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2EF39.5E07A990 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Looks=20 like someone in Florida thought that Team Cache-Quest's "Catch that = Coyote"=20 cache was good enough to copy...
 
http://www.geocaching.com/track/track_detail.asp?ID=3D23868
Anyone know of any similar cache/travelbug=20 combos?
 
LazyK - Dan 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C2EF39.5E07A990-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Mar 21 02:09:13 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 19:09:13 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] A Big Step in the Right Direction In-Reply-To: <001c01c2ef37$a09eda00$0500a8c0@one> Message-ID: <002901c2ef4e$de901fb0$6401a8c0@DESKTOP> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C2EF14.32376230 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there a way of getting that statement removed and replacing it with something to the fact that cooperation is needed to remove the possibility of caches being placed on or near archeological sites to avoid possible damage to these sites. This will put an emphasis on the need for coordination in placing a cache while at the same time not shedding a bad light on geocaching. Loran and others, I agree. I think I was too excited (and too tired) reading the whole statement to attach the proper significance to that part. I would suggest emails to Rand Hubbell (randhubbell@mail.maricopa.gov). Rand has attended both of the land management meetings as the MCP representative. He's a reasonable individual and I suspect he wrote the policy statement (his title is something like Marketing Manager, but I don't have his business card with me). As a marketing guy, he ought to understand our sensitivity to the way that bit is written. Steve Team Tierra Buena PS: Nobody asked me, but if you're trying to get permission for cache in a MCP, you can find the name and email address of the appropriate park supervisor by going to http://www.maricopa.gov/parks/ and clicking the map on the park in which you are interested. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C2EF14.32376230 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

  Is there a way of getting that statement = removed and replacing it with something to the fact that cooperation is needed to = remove the possibility of caches being placed on or near archeological sites to = avoid possible damage to these sites.  This = will put an emphasis on the need for coordination in placing a cache while at the = same time not shedding a bad light on geocaching.

 

Loran = and others,

 

I = agree. I think I was too excited (and too tired) reading the whole statement to attach = the proper significance to that part.

 

I would = suggest emails to Rand Hubbell (randhubbell@mail.maricopa.g= ov). Rand has attended both of = the land management meetings as the MCP representative. He’s a reasonable individual and I suspect he wrote the policy statement (his title is = something like Marketing Manager, but I don’t have his business card with = me).  As a marketing guy, he ought to understand our sensitivity to the way that bit is = written.

 

Steve

Team = Tierra Buena

 

PS: = Nobody asked me, but if you’re trying to get permission for cache in a MCP, you = can find the name and email address of the appropriate park supervisor by = going to http://www.maricopa.gov/parks/ and clicking the map on the park in which you are = interested.

 

------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C2EF14.32376230-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Mar 21 04:27:30 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 21:27:30 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Wyle Operatives Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030320212641.00b9cdd0@mail.myblueheaven.com> I finally got my hands on my second Wyle operative. I have now seen A and D. We really need to see B and C show up down here in the Tucson area. In liberty, Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Mar 21 10:06:19 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Nicol) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 02:06:19 -0800 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Frank Fugitive TB Message-ID: Howdy, Check out this travel bug and it's goal and description! It was placed in my cache yesterday... RTW-1 (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=36507) The TB is called Frank Fugitive (http://www.geocaching.com/track/track_detail.asp?ID=2757) Ol' Frankie might be stuck in this one for a while!!! :) Scott Team Ropingthewind (RTW) _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Mar 21 10:38:41 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Eric Quinn) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 02:38:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Frank Fugitive TB In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030321103841.11480.qmail@web40604.mail.yahoo.com> Being in DC, I could have lots of fun with that one. Cest la vie. Eric Team Dragon Bound for Athens --- Scott Nicol wrote: > > Howdy, > > Check out this travel bug and it's goal and > description! It was placed in my > cache yesterday... RTW-1 > (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=36507) > > The TB is called Frank Fugitive > (http://www.geocaching.com/track/track_detail.asp?ID=2757) > > Ol' Frankie might be stuck in this one for a > while!!! > > :) > > Scott > Team Ropingthewind (RTW) > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Mar 21 18:57:51 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 10:57:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods Message-ID: <20030321105752.25731.h012.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> I saw my name....is there something I should do? Change something to protect my privacy? what are you guys talking about? Brian? huh? :-) Trisha On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, Brian Cluff wrote: > > > OK... figured it out. The difference is the people, like trisha for > example, that haven't set a name to go with their e-mail address. > > Basicly, the mailing list tries to get rid of people's e-mail > addresses > to protect their privacy, but if you haven't set a name, there is no > information left identifying the sender, so it appears that it just > defaults to putting the mailing list address in place of the name. > > Brian Cluff > Team Snaptek > > Regan Smith wrote: > > This is a short copy from the page > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/pipermail/az-geocaching/2003-March/thread.h > > tml > > > > Starting: Sun Mar 2 14:25:01 2003 > > Ending: Wed Mar 19 16:58:21 2003 > > Messages: 214 > > > > > > [Az-Geocaching] new face at #1! Scott Nicol > > [Az-Geocaching] new face at #1! Brian Cluff > > [Az-Geocaching] new face at #1! Scott Wood > > [Az-Geocaching] new face at #1! Loran Wilcox > > [Az-Geocaching] new face at #1! Regan Smith > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Although no one can go back and make a brand new start, Anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Mar 21 19:34:12 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 12:34:12 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods References: <20030321105752.25731.h012.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: <001a01c2efe0$daaed980$ca29b83f@fishkiller> Trisha You must STOP what you are doing and find a cache a day for every Yellow jeep that is spotted while not caching.,.,. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods > I saw my name....is there something I should do? Change something to > protect my privacy? what are you guys talking about? Brian? > huh? :-) > Trisha > > > > > On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, Brian Cluff wrote: > > > > > > > OK... figured it out. The difference is the people, like trisha for > > example, that haven't set a name to go with their e-mail address. > > > > Basicly, the mailing list tries to get rid of people's e-mail > > addresses > > to protect their privacy, but if you haven't set a name, there is no > > information left identifying the sender, so it appears that it just > > defaults to putting the mailing list address in place of the name. > > > > Brian Cluff > > Team Snaptek > > > > Regan Smith wrote: > > > This is a short copy from the page > > > > > href="http://mail.brasher.com/jump/http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/pipermai l/az-geocaching/2003-March/thread.h">http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/piperm ail/az-geocaching/2003-March/thread.h > > > tml > > > > > > Starting: Sun Mar 2 14:25:01 2003 > > > Ending: Wed Mar 19 16:58:21 2003 > > > Messages: 214 > > > > > > > > > [Az-Geocaching] new face at #1! Scott Nicol > > > [Az-Geocaching] new face at #1! Brian Cluff > > > [Az-Geocaching] new face at #1! Scott Wood > > > [Az-Geocaching] new face at #1! Loran Wilcox > > > [Az-Geocaching] new face at #1! Regan Smith > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > href="http://mail.brasher.com/jump/http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/ listinfo/az-geocaching">http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az -geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > href="http://mail.brasher.com/jump/http://www.azgeocaching.com">http://www.a zgeocaching.com > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > "Although no one can go back and > make a brand new start, > Anyone can start from now and > make a brand new ending." > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Mar 21 20:03:40 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 13:03:40 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods In-Reply-To: <20030321105752.25731.h012.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> References: <20030321105752.25731.h012.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: <3E7B701C.30008@Snaptek.com> No, you are perfectly fine... Regan just noticed that in the archive it shows the name of whoever wrote the message at the end of the subject, but you, as well as others haven't set their name in your e-mail programs config, so there is nothing left after the mailing list removed your e-mail address to protect you from spammers and such. So it ends up using the mailing list address instead. It's kinda a same thing that my email program does... it doesn't have your name, so it substitued your e-mail address and puts "trisha@brasher.com wrote:" instead of just "Trisha Brasher wrote:" If you are fine with that, don't change anything, otherwise you just need to put your name in your prefs. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek trisha@brasher.com wrote: >I saw my name....is there something I should do? Change something to >protect my privacy? what are you guys talking about? Brian? >huh? :-) >Trisha > > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Mar 21 20:37:21 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 12:37:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] A Big Step in the Right Direction Message-ID: <20030321123722.17460.h012.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> At least they gave you credit! Trisha On Thu, 20 Mar 2003, "Koch, Dan" wrote: Clean DocumentEmail MicrosoftInternetExplorer4 st1\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#ieooui) } @font-face { font-family: Book Antiqua; } @page Section1 {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margin: 1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; mso-header-margin: .5in; mso-footer-margin: .5in; mso-paper-source: 0; } P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-style-parent: ""; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman" } LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-style-parent: ""; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman" } DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-style-parent: ""; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman" } A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline: single } SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline: single } A:visited { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline: single } SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline: single } SPAN.EmailStyle17 { FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: "Book Antiqua"; TEXT-DECORATION: none; text-underline: none; mso-style-type: personal-compose; mso-style-noshow: yes; mso-ansi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: "Book Antiqua"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Book Antiqua"; text-line-through: none } DIV.Section1 { page: Section1 } /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} Looks like someone in Florida thought that Team Cache-Quest's "Catch that Coyote" cache was good enough to copy...   http://www.geocaching.com/track/track_detail.asp?ID=23868 Anyone know of any similar cache/travelbug combos?   LazyK - Dan  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Although no one can go back and make a brand new start, Anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Mar 21 20:56:00 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 12:56:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods Message-ID: <20030321125603.19386.h012.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> <> huh? oh...yeah, I wish I had the capability to actually FIND a cache a day! Trisha On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, "Regan Smith" wrote: > > Trisha > > You must STOP what you are doing and find a cache a day for every > Yellow > jeep that is spotted while not caching.,.,. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 11:57 AM > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods > > > > I saw my name....is there something I should do? Change something to > > protect my privacy? what are you guys talking about? Brian? > > huh? :-) > > Trisha > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, Brian Cluff wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > OK... figured it out. The difference is the people, like trisha > for > > > example, that haven't set a name to go with their e-mail address. > > > > > > Basicly, the mailing list tries to get rid of people's e-mail > > > addresses > > > to protect their privacy, but if you haven't set a name, there is > no > > > information left identifying the sender, so it appears that it just > > > defaults to putting the mailing list address in place of the name. > > > > > > Brian Cluff > > > Team Snaptek > > > > > > Regan Smith wrote: > > > > This is a short copy from the page > > > > > > > > > href="http://mail.brasher.com/jump/http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/pipermai > l/az-geocaching/2003-March/thread.h">http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/piperm > ail/az-geocaching/2003-March/thread.h > > > > tml > > > > > > > > Starting: Sun Mar 2 14:25:01 2003 > > > > Ending: Wed Mar 19 16:58:21 2003 > > > > Messages: 214 > > > > > > > > > > > > [Az-Geocaching] new face at #1! Scott Nicol > > > > [Az-Geocaching] new face at #1! Brian Cluff > > > > [Az-Geocaching] new face at #1! Scott Wood > > > > [Az-Geocaching] new face at #1! Loran Wilcox > > > > [Az-Geocaching] new face at #1! Regan Smith > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > > > > href="http://mail.brasher.com/jump/http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/ > listinfo/az-geocaching">http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az > -geocaching > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > > > href="http://www.a">http://mail.brasher.com/jump/http://www.azgeocaching.com">http://www.a > zgeocaching.com > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > "Although no one can go back and > > make a brand new start, > > Anyone can start from now and > > make a brand new ending." > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Although no one can go back and make a brand new start, Anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Mar 21 20:58:56 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 12:58:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods Message-ID: <20030321125858.16470.h012.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Ok. ... I will have my hubby change it, he will comprehend what you just said. I am still brain-fogged by the pain meds, but I have stepped down a notch and am healing fine....so....anyway,,,,, thanks Trisha On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Brian Cluff wrote: > > No, you are perfectly fine... Regan just noticed that in the archive > it > shows the name of whoever wrote the message at the end of the subject, > but you, as well as others haven't set their name in your e-mail > programs config, so there is nothing left after the mailing list > removed > your e-mail address to protect you from spammers and such. So it ends > up using the mailing list address instead. > > It's kinda a same thing that my email program does... it doesn't have > your name, so it substitued your e-mail address and puts > "trisha@brasher.com wrote:" instead of just "Trisha Brasher wrote:" > > If you are fine with that, don't change anything, otherwise you just > need to put your name in your prefs. > > Brian Cluff > Team Snaptek > > trisha@brasher.com wrote: > > >I saw my name....is there something I should do? Change something to > >protect my privacy? what are you guys talking about? Brian? > >huh? :-) > >Trisha > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Although no one can go back and make a brand new start, Anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Mar 22 05:34:23 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 22:34:23 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods Message-ID: <20030321213423.19630.h017.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Hey Brian, is this any better? Trisha "Lightning" Prescott On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Brian Cluff wrote: > > No, you are perfectly fine... Regan just noticed that in the archive > it > shows the name of whoever wrote the message at the end of the subject, > but you, as well as others haven't set their name in your e-mail > programs config, so there is nothing left after the mailing list > removed > your e-mail address to protect you from spammers and such. So it ends > up using the mailing list address instead. > > It's kinda a same thing that my email program does... it doesn't have > your name, so it substitued your e-mail address and puts > "trisha@brasher.com wrote:" instead of just "Trisha Brasher wrote:" > > If you are fine with that, don't change anything, otherwise you just > need to put your name in your prefs. > > Brian Cluff > Team Snaptek > > trisha@brasher.com wrote: > > >I saw my name....is there something I should do? Change something to > >protect my privacy? what are you guys talking about? Brian? > >huh? :-) > >Trisha > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Mar 22 16:25:59 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 09:25:59 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods In-Reply-To: <20030321213423.19630.h017.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> References: <20030321213423.19630.h017.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: <3E7C8E97.4040804@Snaptek.com> Yup, now you show up as "Trisha" Brian Cluff Team Snaptek Trisha wrote: >Hey Brian, is this any better? > >Trisha "Lightning" >Prescott > > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Mar 22 22:26:39 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 15:26:39 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tucson news story Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030322152603.02922700@mail.myblueheaven.com> This is in today's Star. I am not sure how long the link will work, but it should for atleast a week. http://www.azstarnet.com/star/sat/30322gpscp.html Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Mar 22 22:32:35 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 15:32:35 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] I Guess they Mean it, Too! Message-ID: <000701c2f0c2$f0479560$6401a8c0@DESKTOP> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C2F088.43E8BD60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As I mentioned I would, I emailed the Park Supervisor of McDowell Mountain Regional Park the other day, requesting permission to keep Grandma Sarah's Cache within the park. Frankly, I was a little concerned that they might ask us to remove it simply because we never asked for permission in the first place. This afternoon I received an email from the Park Supervisor, which I quote in its entirety, spelling, punctuation, and all: Hi Stephen, thanks for the info. I do not have a problem with Grandma's cashe. thanks, So we finally have a cache placed with explicit permission! At least we know it can be done. I also sent an email to Rand Hubbell, thanking him for posting the MCP policy and asking him if he'd reconsider the language about the site damage. At this writing I have not had a reply. Steve (AKA Stephen) Team Tierra Buena ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C2F088.43E8BD60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

As I mentioned I would, I emailed the = Park Supervisor of McDowell Mountain Regional Park the other day, requesting permission to keep Grandma Sarah’s Cache within the park. Frankly, = I was a little concerned that they might ask us to remove it simply because we = never asked for permission in the first place.

 

This afternoon I received an email = from the Park Supervisor, which I quote in its entirety, spelling, punctuation, and = all:

 

Hi Stephen, thanks for the info.  I do not have a problem with Grandma's cashe. =
thanks,

 

So we = finally have a cache placed with explicit permission! At least we know it can be = done.

 

I also = sent an email to Rand Hubbell, thanking him for posting the MCP policy and = asking him if he’d reconsider the language about the site damage. At this = writing I have not had a reply.

 

Steve (AKA Stephen)

Team = Tierra Buena

------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C2F088.43E8BD60-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Mar 23 00:35:07 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken Henson) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 17:35:07 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] FYI - Land Use Meetings In-Reply-To: <20030320221308.KOWV1451.fed1mtao07.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <4BD50521-5CC7-11D7-B9CD-000393A13A32@cableone.net> --Apple-Mail-8--794453228 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Arizona Virtual Jeep Club web page http://www.azvjc.org/ The information below came from the site above. Where: Various Times and Locations These are work shops you will need to attend both dates at a location to complete the workshop Wickenburg Monday March 3 and Monday March 31 Wickenberg Community Center 6 - 9 p.m. 6 - 9 p.m. 120 N. Valentine Street Black Canyon City Wed. March 5 and Wed. April 2 Black Canyon Community Center 6 - 9 p.m. 6 - 9 p.m. Albins Civic Center 19055 South K-Mine Road Phoenix Thu. March 6 and Thu April 3 Deer Valley Community Center 6 - 9 p.m. 6 - 9 p.m. 2001 West Wahalla Lane, Phoenix 1 block S of Beardsley, S of 101 and 19th Ave Dewey-Humbolt-Spring Valley Sat. March 8 and Sat. April 5 Bradshaw Mountain Middle School 10a.m. to 1 p.m. 12255 Turquoise Circle, Dewey Prescott-Prescott Valley-Chino Valley Sat. March 22 and April 12 Shalot Hall Museum Granite Creek Center 115 S. McCormick (across street from Museum) 10 a.m to 1 Here is what was reported by two members of the Arizona Virtual Jeep Club: (1) I would say there were 50 to 60 people at the meeting. Over half were in RED and by a show of hands about 80% were OHV. As we had a large group we split up to every group to get as much info as possible. Stu and Scott M. went to Recreation, Rick N., and Nichole went to roads and trails, Russ G., Rico G. and Bruce M. went to Land issues, Randy D. and myself went to Resources. Randy and I seemed to be in the largest group of anti-recreationists. One guy wanted to know what could be done to eliminate noise from I-10 effecting the Big Horn Sheep in the area west of White Tanks. I suggested ear plugs. The anti- recreationists are trying to get as much Wilderness area as they can. I had a note installed in the record to the effect no new Wilderness areas. They are trying to do this by dividing up and each area suggest a different area. The BLM stated that they can not make a Wilderness area but can make a Wilderness Study area. I asked how a study area would be managed until Congress makes the decision. It will be managed as a Wilderness area! I pointed out that this basically made it an illegal Wilderness area the BLM agreed. We have no real threaten species in this area so this should not effect our trails. I heard Stu getting loud a couple times and will leave it to him to tell everyone what he learned in the Recreation group. The Trails group was surprised to only have maps available that did not show any of the Enterprise team trails. I was promised by the BLM that at the next meeting they will have the complete set of maps. They will also have several meetings to go over trails exclusively. Russ and Bruce made the point in the Land meeting that we wanted all areas taken off the table for trade. One of them will need to add what info they feel is needed. Overall we had a strong showing and the BLM reps noted several times that this was the best meeting to date. Last note we all need to be involved in this process. Overwhelm them with numbers and Red Shirts. Jim F. (2) The Recreation work group was pretty well behaved and I was pleased with the variety of issues that were brought to the table. From what I could see, none were aimed at reducing our preferred method of recreating (Scott, feel free to chime in and give your opinion here if you so desire). If Jim perceived me as getting loud a few times, it was due to my passion for the topic being discussed. ;>) We had a dispersed group in that we had quad/bike users, Jeepers/wheelers, RVers that like to do light Jeepin' when camping, one guy who flies his light aircraft into old air strips to camp and explore (now that is a different approach to getting to a camp spot), and a Jeeper who's main interest is in Geocaching. Our moderators were pretty much on the ball and one of the two BLM employees was a good acquaintance from last years OHV Conference. We touched on issues (and even some potential solutions) ranging from weekend "junk" shooters to homeless people to camping access to geocaching and quite a variety of ways in which these things and many others could impact our use of BLM going into the future. We tried, as best we could, to suggest items that could be included in the resource management plan that would allow for the handling of possible issues well into the future, should the need arise.....we did this in hopes that the plan would not need to be heavily revised but that a part of the plan, which had not yet been implemented, so to speak, could be brought into action. I guess you could say that we were working to make sure that the plan had enough flexibility built into it that we could continue to manage the resources without the need to have a new plan developed. I too was happy with the turn out but I got the impression that many of the folks were not OHVers from the valley but rather folks from the Prescott/Dewey area. While they certainly have a vested interest in the management plan, it is just as much YOUR plan as it is theirs....and you need to be involved in its development. This single point can not be emphasized enough! I also want to personally thank Bruce and Nichole for coming to the meeting. They were "BLM first timers" and I think I can safely say they walked away with a new awareness of the issues that are eroding away at our ability to simply go Jeepin'. I enjoyed the conversation during the drive up and back and look forward to our next meeting. ==================================================================== The BLM plan that is being worked will be around for a long time (10 - 15+ years). Some Geocachers may want to attend and have input on some of the meetings that are left? Ken Henson (aka - Lincoln) --Apple-Mail-8--794453228 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII ArialArizona Virtual Jeep Club web page http://www.azvjc.org/ The information below came from the site above. Where: Times New Roman ArialVarious Times and Locations These are work shops you will need to attend both dates at a location to complete the workshop Times New Roman Arial Times New Roman ArialWickenburg Monday March 3 and Monday March 31 Wickenberg Community Center 6 - 9 p.m. 6 - 9 p.m. 120 N. Valentine Street Black Canyon City Wed. March 5 and Wed. April 2 Black Canyon Community Center 6 - 9 p.m. 6 - 9 p.m. Albins Civic Center 19055 South K-Mine Road Phoenix Thu. March 6 and Thu April 3 Deer Valley Community Center 6 - 9 p.m. 6 - 9 p.m. 2001 West Wahalla Lane, Phoenix 1 block S of Beardsley, S of 101 and 19th Ave Dewey-Humbolt-Spring Valley Sat. March 8 and Sat. April 5 Bradshaw Mountain Middle School 10a.m. to 1 p.m. 12255 Turquoise Circle, Dewey Prescott-Prescott Valley-Chino Valley Sat. March 22 and April 12 Shalot Hall Museum Granite Creek Center 115 S. McCormick (across street from Museum) 10 a.m to 1 Here is what was reported by two members of the Arizona Virtual Jeep Club: (1) I would say there were 50 to 60 people at the meeting. Over half were in RED and by a show of hands about 80% were OHV. As we had a large group we split up to every group to get as much info as possible. Stu and Scott M. went to Recreation, Rick N., and Nichole went to roads and trails, Russ G., Rico G. and Bruce M. went to Land issues, Randy D. and myself went to Resources. Randy and I seemed to be in the largest group of anti-recreationists. One guy wanted to know what could be done to eliminate noise from I-10 effecting the Big Horn Sheep in the area west of White Tanks. I suggested ear plugs. The anti- recreationists are trying to get as much Wilderness area as they can. I had a note installed in the record to the effect no new Wilderness areas. They are trying to do this by dividing up and each area suggest a different area. The BLM stated that they can not make a Wilderness area but can make a Wilderness Study area. I asked how a study area would be managed until Congress makes the decision. It will be managed as a Wilderness area! I pointed out that this basically made it an illegal Wilderness area the BLM agreed. We have no real threaten species in this area so this should not effect our trails. I heard Stu getting loud a couple times and will leave it to him to tell everyone what he learned in the Recreation group. The Trails group was surprised to only have maps available that did not show any of the Enterprise team trails. I was promised by the BLM that at the next meeting they will have the complete set of maps. They will also have several meetings to go over trails exclusively. Russ and Bruce made the point in the Land meeting that we wanted all areas taken off the table for trade. One of them will need to add what info they feel is needed. Overall we had a strong showing and the BLM reps noted several times that this was the best meeting to date. Last note we all need to be involved in this process. Overwhelm them with numbers and Red Shirts. Jim F. (2) The Recreation work group was pretty well behaved and I was pleased with the variety of issues that were brought to the table. From what I could see, none were aimed at reducing our preferred method of recreating (Scott, feel free to chime in and give your opinion here if you so desire). If Jim perceived me as getting loud a few times, it was due to my passion for the topic being discussed. ;>) We had a dispersed group in that we had quad/bike users, Jeepers/wheelers, RVers that like to do light Jeepin' when camping, one guy who flies his light aircraft into old air strips to camp and explore (now that is a different approach to getting to a camp spot), and a Jeeper who's main interest is in Geocaching. Our moderators were pretty much on the ball and one of the two BLM employees was a good acquaintance from last years OHV Conference. We touched on issues (and even some potential solutions) ranging from weekend "junk" shooters to homeless people to camping access to geocaching and quite a variety of ways in which these things and many others could impact our use of BLM going into the future. We tried, as best we could, to suggest items that could be included in the resource management plan that would allow for the handling of possible issues well into the future, should the need arise.....we did this in hopes that the plan would not need to be heavily revised but that a part of the plan, which had not yet been implemented, so to speak, could be brought into action. I guess you could say that we were working to make sure that the plan had enough flexibility built into it that we could continue to manage the resources without the need to have a new plan developed. I too was happy with the turn out but I got the impression that many of the folks were not OHVers from the valley but rather folks from the Prescott/Dewey area. While they certainly have a vested interest in the management plan, it is just as much YOUR plan as it is theirs....and you need to be involved in its development. This single point can not be emphasized enough! I also want to personally thank Bruce and Nichole for coming to the meeting. They were "BLM first timers" and I think I can safely say they walked away with a new awareness of the issues that are eroding away at our ability to simply go Jeepin'. I enjoyed the conversation during the drive up and back and look forward to our next meeting. ==================================================================== The BLM plan that is being worked will be around for a long time (10 - 15+ years). Some Geocachers may want to attend and have input on some of the meetings that are left? Ken Henson (aka - Lincoln) --Apple-Mail-8--794453228-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Mar 23 11:59:51 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (gale and mike) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 11:59:51 +0000 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Winter Art Walk reminder Message-ID:
I just wanted to post a reminder to anyone who wanted to do our Winter Art Walk Cache. The statues are leaving March 31st and the cache will be archived or  more likely disabled.  With the new virtual cache rules, disabling at least gives me the option of making next year's statues a cache.


Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
  On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden.  Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
  "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"
 
Rudyard Kipling ,   The Explorer  1898

STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Mar 23 18:02:08 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 11:02:08 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tucson news story Message-ID: <20030323100209.25913.h016.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> This was a nice article, Scott...Ann..and Jim. And pics! Interesting how the newspaper could not spell "satellite" in the headline....hmmm.... Trisha "LIghtning" Prescott On Sat, 22 Mar 2003, Scott Wood wrote: > > This is in today's Star. I am not sure how long the link will work, > but it > should for atleast a week. > > http://www.azstarnet.com/star/sat/30322gpscp.html > > > Scott > > wood@myblueheaven.com > www.myblueheaven.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Mar 23 19:20:55 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 12:20:55 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tucson news story In-Reply-To: <20030323100209.25913.h016.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.critica lpath.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030323122038.03049ed8@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 11:02 AM 3/23/2003 -0700, you wrote: >This was a nice article, Scott...Ann..and Jim. And pics! >Interesting how the newspaper could not spell "satellite" in the >headline....hmmm.... Not really uncommon for a Tucson newspaper. :-) Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Mar 25 03:42:07 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 20:42:07 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] It's Already Removed! Message-ID: <003701c2f280$82ab1120$6401a8c0@DESKTOP> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C2F245.D6527AB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Rand Hubbell - PARKSX [mailto:RandHubbell@mail.maricopa.gov] Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 7:55 AM To: 'Steve Gross' Subject: RE: Parks Geocaching Policy Steve; Thanks for your comments concerning our policy. I agree with you concerning the reports from our Site Stewards. It is a dated report and I will visit our policy statement and reword or remove that sentence. Rand Hubbell Marketing Coordinator Maricopa County Parks and Recreation Department (602) 506-1114 ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C2F245.D6527AB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rand Hubbell - = PARKSX [mailto:RandHubbell@mail.maricopa.gov]
Sent: = Monday, March 24, = 2003 7:55 AM
To: 'Steve Gross'
Subject: RE: Parks = Geocaching Policy

 

Steve;

 

Thanks for your = comments concerning our policy.  I = agree with you concerning the reports from our Site Stewards.  It is a dated report and I will visit our policy statement and = reword or remove that sentence.

 

Rand Hubbell

Marketing Coordinator

Maricopa County Parks and Recreation Department

(602) = 506-1114

 

------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C2F245.D6527AB0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Mar 25 05:50:41 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 22:50:41 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] It's Already Removed! In-Reply-To: <003701c2f280$82ab1120$6401a8c0@DESKTOP> References: <003701c2f280$82ab1120$6401a8c0@DESKTOP> Message-ID: <3E7FEE31.1090703@Snaptek.com> That's still a very unclear... is there actually a second site that has been vandelized? I think it's rather important that we know for sure. I still suspect that there is just the one site with just the same lame circumstantial evidence. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek Team Tierra Buena wrote: >-----Original Message----- >From: Rand Hubbell - PARKSX [mailto:RandHubbell@mail.maricopa.gov] >Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 7:55 AM >To: 'Steve Gross' >Subject: RE: Parks Geocaching Policy > >Steve; > >Thanks for your comments concerning our policy. I agree with you >concerning the reports from our Site Stewards. It is a dated report and >I will visit our policy statement and reword or remove that sentence. > >Rand Hubbell >Marketing Coordinator >Maricopa County Parks and Recreation Department >(602) 506-1114 > > > > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Mar 25 13:13:55 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Patrick Brown) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 06:13:55 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Ratings Message-ID: <3E805613.000003.03836@EMachine> I have notised that a lot of people that place Caches use different ratings. When we place a cache we have been using the suggested Rating when we fill out the form ( http://www.clayjar.com/gcrs/ ). That is why it looks like we have set some high numbers. These caches are a lot easyer than they look. Then again I see some that have a rating of 2 or 3 that are really tuff. Does anyone else see that? Patrick Brown PANDA77 Check out http://www.geocaching.com/ http://www.azgeocaching.com/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Mar 25 22:27:25 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (gale and mike) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 22:27:25 +0000 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Question about cache rules Message-ID:

The city of Mesa has just informed the public that the statues for Winter Art Walk cache will remain until April 4th 2003. The cache will be available until then. This virtual cache seems to have been a popular one and we would like to keep it. The new virtual cache rules make it unlikely that a new one will be approved next year. We were thinking about disabling it until next year's statues are in place. Since next year's statues will be completely different, the cache will be essentially a new cache just with the same name.  Does anyone know if cachers can log a find on the same cache twice and receive credit for it?

To respond to Panda77's question...we've noticed the same thing. What seems like a small hill to very fit people is Mount Everest to those who have physical limitations or are out of shape. This is where cache descriptions are very helpful. That is how we decide to get a cache or not. As soon as yard work is done (weeds weeds weeds) we will be heading out your way to hit some of your caches. We've enjoyed yours.

Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
  On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden.  Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
  "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"
 
Rudyard Kipling ,   The Explorer  1898

The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Mar 25 23:08:15 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 16:08:15 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Ratings Message-ID: <20030325150817.25396.h016.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Hi Patrick and all, In regards to rating caches, I have been using a descriptive system that seems to be fairly accurate. I just looked at geocaching.com to see if I could find where this is listed, because I don't remember where I got it from!!! It's not that long, so I will type it out here and hopefully it will help. Obviously, this is subjective (half steps can be used) but it helps me to think of the ratings in these descriptive terms. TERRAIN: 1. Handicap Accessible (may be paved, relatively flat, <1/2 mile) 2. Suitable for Small Children (likely marked trails, no steep or overgrowth, <2 mile hike) 3. Not Suitable for Small Children - Average Adult/Older Child OK depending on physical condition (Likely off trail, may have one or more of the following: some overgrowth, some steep elevation changes, > 2 mile hike) 4. Experienced Outdoor Enthusiasts Only - (offtrail, one or more of the following: Heavy Overgrowth, Steep elevation (need use of hands), >10 miles, may be overnight.) 5. Requires Special Equipment or Knowledge: (Boat, 4WD, Rock Climbing, SCUBA) or otherwise extremely difficult. Because I feel very strongly that people need to know what they are getting into, esp up here in the mountains or any out-of-the-way place, I will describe pretty clearly if there is a difficult part in getting to the cache. The only thing I don't agree with in this descriptive system is the 4WD = a "5". While 4WD is "special equipment", many have it. If getting to my cache requires 4WD I will put that in the description, with an assessment of how hard the 4WD might be, and rate the cache less than a "5" based upon the rest of the adventure.....:-) DIFFICULTY: 1. EASY - plain sight or found in a few minutes 2. AVERAGE - Any geocacher can find in less than 30 minutes 3. CHALLENGING - Experienced Geocacher will find it challenging and could take a good part of the afternoon 4. DIFFICULT - Real challenge for experienced Geocacher. May require special skills/knowledge, or in depth preparation. May need multiple days/trips to find. 5. EXTREME - Serious mental/physical challenge. Requires Special knowledge, skills or equipment. As you can see, there is quite a gap between "2" and "3". Guess that is what "2.5" is for!!! LIke I said, I get this over a year ago from.... I thought - the geocaching website. Anyway, I wrote it down and this is what I go by. What do people think? Anybody else using this descriptive system? If most like it maybe it could become the standard? Trisha "Lightning" Prescott On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, "Patrick Brown" wrote: > > I have notised that a lot of people that place Caches use different > ratings. When we place a cache we have been using the suggested Rating > when > we fill out the form ( http://www.clayjar.com/gcrs/ ). > That is why it looks like we have set some high numbers. These > caches are > a lot easyer than they look. Then again I see some that have a rating > of 2 > or 3 that are really tuff. Does anyone else see that? > > Patrick Brown > PANDA77 > Check out > http://www.geocaching.com/ > http://www.azgeocaching.com/ > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 26 04:00:00 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Loran Wilcox) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 21:00:00 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Question about cache rules References: Message-ID: <001c01c2f34c$2cd1b480$0500a8c0@one> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C2F311.7FF436A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There is no rule against logging the same cache twice. One cache "Sheep = Watch IV" has had other names. I have logged it as "Sheep Watch' and = "Sheep Watch III". Another cache here in Michigan gets moved every 6 = months and the owner expects multiple logs. In both of these cases, my = stats include both finds. I believe most cachers would prefer it to be a new cache but that = decision is up to the owner. This is because the cache will not show up = as caches you have not found, so many will not realize it is a new = cache. So the answer to your question is yes you can do it. Yes it will count. = But it is probably not the best thing to do. I suggest disabling it for = now and if you can't get the new one approved next year then reuse it. Loran (Team Sand Dollar) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: gale and mike=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 3:27 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Question about cache rules The city of Mesa has just informed the public that the statues for = Winter Art Walk cache will remain until April 4th 2003. The cache will = be available until then. This virtual cache seems to have been a popular = one and we would like to keep it. The new virtual cache rules make it = unlikely that a new one will be approved next year. We were thinking = about disabling it until next year's statues are in place. Since next = year's statues will be completely different, the cache will be = essentially a new cache just with the same name. Does anyone know if = cachers can log a find on the same cache twice and receive credit for = it? To respond to Panda77's question...we've noticed the same thing. What = seems like a small hill to very fit people is Mount Everest to those who = have physical limitations or are out of shape. This is where cache = descriptions are very helpful. That is how we decide to get a cache or = not. As soon as yard work is done (weeds weeds weeds) we will be heading = out your way to hit some of your caches. We've enjoyed yours. Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* = ____________________________________________________________ = Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your = setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: = http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching = Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C2F311.7FF436A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There is no rule against logging the = same cache=20 twice. One cache "Sheep Watch IV" has had other names. I have logged it = as=20 "Sheep Watch' and "Sheep Watch III". Another cache here in Michigan gets = moved=20 every 6 months and the owner expects multiple logs. In both of these = cases, my=20 stats include both finds.
 
I believe most cachers would prefer it = to be a new=20 cache but that decision is up to the owner.  This is because the = cache will=20 not show up as caches you have not found, so many will not realize it is = a new=20 cache.
 
So the answer to your question is yes = you can do=20 it. Yes it will count. But it is probably not the best thing to do. = I=20 suggest disabling it for now and if you can't get the new one = approved next=20 year then reuse it.
 
Loran (Team Sand Dollar)
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 gale and mike
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 = 3:27=20 PM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] = Question about=20 cache rules

The city of Mesa has just informed the public that the statues for = Winter=20 Art Walk cache will remain until April 4th 2003. The cache will be = available=20 until then. This virtual cache seems to have been a popular one and we = would=20 like to keep it. The new virtual cache rules make it unlikely that a = new one=20 will be approved next year. We were thinking about disabling it until=20 next year's statues are in place. Since next year's statues = will be=20 completely different, the cache will be essentially a new cache just = with the=20 same name.  Does anyone know if cachers can log a find on the = same cache=20 twice and receive credit for it?

To respond to Panda77's question...we've noticed the same thing. = What seems=20 like a small hill to very fit people is Mount Everest to those who = have=20 physical limitations or are out of shape. This is where cache = descriptions are=20 very helpful. That is how we decide to get a cache or not. As soon as = yard=20 work is done (weeds weeds weeds) we will be heading out your way to = hit some=20 of your caches. We've enjoyed yours.

Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang = interminable=20 changes
  On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- = so:
"Something hidden.  Go and find it. Go and look behind the = Ranges=20 --
  "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for = you.=20 Go!"
 
Rudyard Kipling ,   The = Explorer =20 1898

The new MSN 8: smart = spam=20 protection and 2 months FREE*=20 ____________________________________________________________ = Az-Geocaching=20 mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe = or=20 unsubscribe visit:=20 http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching = Arizona's=20 Geocaching Resource = http://www.azgeocaching.com ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C2F311.7FF436A0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 26 02:40:15 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 19:40:15 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] It's Already Removed! In-Reply-To: <3E7FEE31.1090703@Snaptek.com> Message-ID: <004801c2f341$09350a50$6401a8c0@DESKTOP> > That's still a very unclear... is there actually a second site that has > been vandelized? I think it's rather important that we know for sure. > I still suspect that there is just the one site with just the same lame > circumstantial evidence. > > Brian Cluff > Team Snaptek Brian, I've got to confess I'm not sure what you're objecting to at this point. Rand removed the statement that everyone here wrote about, and there probably have been problems with caches in MCP beyond those that may have been near archaeological sites. I don't think MCP is going to get into a fight with the SHPO stewards over what activity may or may not have damaged an archaeological site. Personally, I think what MCP has on their web site now is more than fair to Geocachers. Please point me to what you're reading there that you still find troublesome. Steve Team Tierra Buena From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 26 05:00:52 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 22:00:52 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] It's Already Removed! In-Reply-To: <004801c2f341$09350a50$6401a8c0@DESKTOP> References: <004801c2f341$09350a50$6401a8c0@DESKTOP> Message-ID: <3E813404.3050101@Snaptek.com> Team Tierra Buena wrote: >Brian, I've got to confess I'm not sure what you're objecting to at this >point. Rand removed the statement that everyone here wrote about, and >there probably have been problems with caches in MCP beyond those that >may have been near archaeological sites. I don't think MCP is going to >get into a fight with the SHPO stewards over what activity may or may >not have damaged an archaeological site. > >Personally, I think what MCP has on their web site now is more than fair >to Geocachers. Please point me to what you're reading there that you >still find troublesome. > > Im not objecting to anything. I just really want to know if there has been more than one site vandalized, or if someone is just saying that there has been more than one site vandalized. If there has been multiple sites, why haven't we been notified so that we can try and do more. I don't have anything against the MCP at all, they have been some of the more understanding people to work with.. I guess I'm just curious if the statement that was made was true or if it's just a case of a folk tale in the process of being built up. I just curious... if someone is going to say it I wan't someone to back up the statement with facts... otherwise people will be believeing something that isn't true. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 26 17:25:47 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 10:25:47 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Jamming Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030326102039.01f60f98@mail.myblueheaven.com> With all the news about the Russians selling Iraq GPS jammers, I wonder how hard it would be to buy one, it might make a nice addition to a geocache. :-) In liberty, Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 26 17:37:49 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 10:37:49 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Jamming In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030326102039.01f60f98@mail.myblueheaven.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030326102039.01f60f98@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: <3E81E56D.1080607@Snaptek.com> Are you talking about putting it in the cache so that it's solar powered or something and leave it on all the time, then have the geocache say "Good luck finding it :)" That might be cool... you would have to walk around in a circle trying to figure out the center of the dead spot.. or do some real good estimation at to where the coordinates are, based on your last reading. Could be cool if you made the jammed signal only go out a few hundred feet :) Of course someone if going to have a cow of that cache hehehe probably something about destroying the natural signals... blah blah blah hehehe Brian Cluff Team Snaptek Scott Wood wrote: > With all the news about the Russians selling Iraq GPS jammers, I > wonder how hard it would be to buy one, it might make a nice addition > to a geocache. :-) > > In liberty, > > Scott > > wood@myblueheaven.com > www.myblueheaven.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 26 17:45:58 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jim Scotti) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 10:45:58 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Jamming In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I thought you wanted people to _find_ your geocaches. I hear that we took out the last of the GPS jammers we'd found with a GPS guided weapon. So much for jamming success..... Jim On Wed, 26 Mar 2003, Scott Wood wrote: > With all the news about the Russians selling Iraq GPS jammers, I wonder > how hard it would be to buy one, it might make a nice addition to a > geocache. :-) Jim Scotti Lunar & Planetary Laboratory University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 USA http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 26 17:33:16 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jim Scotti) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 10:33:16 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Jamming In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030326102039.01f60f98@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: I thought you wanted people to _find_ your geocaches. I hear that we took out the last of the GPS jammers we'd found with a GPS guided weapon. So much for jamming success..... Jim On Wed, 26 Mar 2003, Scott Wood wrote: > With all the news about the Russians selling Iraq GPS jammers, I wonder > how hard it would be to buy one, it might make a nice addition to a > geocache. :-) Jim Scotti Lunar & Planetary Laboratory University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 USA http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 26 17:39:15 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Nicol) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 09:39:15 -0800 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Jamming Message-ID: >From: Scott Wood >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Jamming >Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 10:25:47 -0700 > >With all the news about the Russians selling Iraq GPS jammers, I wonder how >hard it would be to buy one, it might make a nice addition to a geocache. >:-) > >In liberty, > >Scott > (thinking to myself)... I wonder if it would be possible to use one of those to jam, say, Wyle E and CHUMP's GPSr's.... hhhmmm.... OOPPS... I am thinking out loud to the list! LOLOLOLOL :) :) :) :) :) :) Scott Team RTW _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 26 17:51:26 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 10:51:26 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Jamming In-Reply-To: <3E81E56D.1080607@Snaptek.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030326102039.01f60f98@mail.myblueheaven.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20030326102039.01f60f98@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030326105029.0210f938@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 10:37 AM 3/26/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Are you talking about putting it in the cache so that it's solar powered >or something and leave it on all the time, then have the geocache say >"Good luck finding it :)" That was sort of our thoughts. >Could be cool if you made the jammed signal only go out a few hundred feet :) >Of course someone if going to have a cow of that cache hehehe probably >something about destroying the natural signals... blah blah blah hehehe Wow, that would open a whole new can or worms wouldn't it. :-) In liberty, Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 26 17:58:25 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 10:58:25 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Jamming In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030326105756.021240a8@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 10:45 AM 3/26/2003 -0700, you wrote: >I thought you wanted people to _find_ your geocaches. > >I hear that we took out the last of the GPS jammers we'd found with a GPS >guided weapon. So much for jamming success..... If you needed a GPS guided weapon to find a cache I would guess that it would make it a 5 star cache based on special equipment. :-) In liberty, Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 26 18:11:58 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 11:11:58 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Jamming In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030326105029.0210f938@mail.myblueheaven.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030326102039.01f60f98@mail.myblueheaven.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20030326102039.01f60f98@mail.myblueheaven.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20030326105029.0210f938@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: <3E81ED6E.2030107@Snaptek.com> Scott Wood wrote: > Wow, that would open a whole new can or worms wouldn't it. :-) There would definetely only be room for a couple of caches like that, and they would have to be in the middle of nowhere, so they didn't cause any damage to other people using GPSRs. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 26 18:17:02 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ford, Denny) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 11:17:02 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Jamming Message-ID: and you think the land Nazi's don't like us now! -----Original Message----- From: Brian Cluff [mailto:brian@snaptek.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 11:12 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Jamming Scott Wood wrote: > Wow, that would open a whole new can or worms wouldn't it. :-) There would definetely only be room for a couple of caches like that, and they would have to be in the middle of nowhere, so they didn't cause any damage to other people using GPSRs. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 26 18:23:02 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jim Scotti) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 11:23:02 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Jamming In-Reply-To: <3E81ED6E.2030107@Snaptek.com> Message-ID: Actually, I think putting caches in the middle of a skyscraper filled downtown or in the depths of Zion Canyon (a virtual, of course...) would do just as good as a GPS jammer since you're using buildings or limited views of the sky to jam the GPS signals. I think there are a couple such caches out there already! Jim. On Wed, 26 Mar 2003, Brian Cluff wrote: > Scott Wood wrote: > > > Wow, that would open a whole new can or worms wouldn't it. :-) > > There would definetely only be room for a couple of caches like that, > and they would have to be in the middle of nowhere, so they didn't cause > any damage to other people using GPSRs. > > Brian Cluff > Team Snaptek > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > Jim Scotti Lunar & Planetary Laboratory University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 USA http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 26 18:23:20 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian LaFrance) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 10:23:20 -0800 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Jamming In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1048703000.3e81f0187a393@webmail.brianlafrance.com> "I wonder if it would be possible to use one of those to jam, say, Wyle E and CHUMP's GPSr's.... hhhmmm...." You could mount one under Wyle E's Jeep...he'd never find anything then :) From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Mar 26 21:41:35 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bell, Robert) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 14:41:35 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Jamming Message-ID: That might work on me - unless I'm sharing a GPS with Lazy K or Tres Hombres! (evil grin) Rob, Team CHUMP -----Original Message----- From: Brian LaFrance [mailto:brian@brianlafrance.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 11:23 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Jamming "I wonder if it would be possible to use one of those to jam, say, Wyle E and CHUMP's GPSr's.... hhhmmm...." You could mount one under Wyle E's Jeep...he'd never find anything then :) ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Mar 27 01:29:00 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Webb Pickersgill) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 18:29:00 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Jamming In-Reply-To: <1048703000.3e81f0187a393@webmail.brianlafrance.com> Message-ID: <005501c2f400$3f2cc070$6601010a@pickersgill.local> I audibly laughed at that one. Nice one Brian. -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Brian LaFrance Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 11:23 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Jamming "I wonder if it would be possible to use one of those to jam, say, Wyle E and CHUMP's GPSr's.... hhhmmm...." You could mount one under Wyle E's Jeep...he'd never find anything then :) ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Mar 27 12:29:40 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (WOLFB8) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 05:29:40 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] geocaching and the BLM References: <4BD50521-5CC7-11D7-B9CD-000393A13A32@cableone.net> Message-ID: <006701c2f45c$8d77c340$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C2F421.DD9012A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I attended the Site stewards conference this weekend. There was some = pretty interesting things to say the least!!! 1. Shelly approach me and stated that the site stewards and geocache can = work together and that she really enjoys cacheing, although she is doing = it with a map and compass. just a bit harder than what we do.She = continued to say that there are no cache near any site, and extents her = thanks for that.=20 2. Shelly sent me a article that has geocaching in a pretty good light = see below. =20 . ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C2F421.DD9012A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I attended the Site stewards conference = this=20 weekend. There was some pretty interesting things to say the=20 least!!!
 
1. Shelly approach me and stated that = the site=20 stewards and geocache can work together and that she really enjoys = cacheing,=20 although she is doing it with a map and compass. just a bit harder than = what we=20 do.She continued to say that there are  no cache near any site, and = extents=20 her thanks for that.
2. Shelly sent me a article that has = geocaching in=20 a pretty good light see below. 
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------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C2F421.DD9012A0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Mar 27 13:31:17 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (jim Stamm) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 06:31:17 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] geocaching and the BLM In-Reply-To: <006701c2f45c$8d77c340$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <63508A50-6058-11D7-AB95-000A959F12C6@Comcast.net> --Boundary_(ID_uJh6HsooHR7snUx63LX1Kw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On Thursday, March 27, 2003, at 05:29 AM, WOLFB8 wrote: > "......she really enjoys cacheing, although she is doing it with a map > and compass. just a bit harder than what we do......" What? How can that be? No waypoints to look up and load. No batteries to check, or receiver to carry around. Just check the topo, and go there. Works every time! --Boundary_(ID_uJh6HsooHR7snUx63LX1Kw) Content-type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On Thursday, March 27, 2003, at 05:29 AM, WOLFB8 wrote: Arial"......she really enjoys cacheing, although she is doing it with a map and compass. just a bit harder than what we do......" What? How can that be? No waypoints to look up and load. No batteries to check, or receiver to carry around. Just check the topo, and go there. Works every time! --Boundary_(ID_uJh6HsooHR7snUx63LX1Kw)-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Mar 27 20:39:01 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (gale and mike) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 20:39:01 +0000 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] geocaching and the BLM Message-ID:


The e-mail I received from you via listserv does not show any link to the article about geocaching. Would you please send it again?




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  On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
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  "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"
 
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>From: "WOLFB8"
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>To:
>Subject: [Az-Geocaching] geocaching and the BLM
>Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 05:29:40 -0700
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>I attended the Site stewards conference this weekend. There was some pretty interesting things to say the least!!!
>
>1. Shelly approach me and stated that the site stewards and geocache can work together and that she really enjoys cacheing, although she is doing it with a map and compass. just a bit harder than what we do.She continued to say that there are no cache near any site, and extents her thanks for that.
>2. Shelly sent me a article that has geocaching in a pretty good light see below.
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MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Mar 27 20:39:26 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Dennis Wodarz) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 13:39:26 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Need lead on FroBro containers Message-ID: <00a701c2f4a0$f5b3c820$0b00a8c0@woodlaptop> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A8_01C2F466.49598400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Two of the FroBro caches (#2 and #4) have gone missing. We currently do not have a source for the containers that we used. Has anyone who knows what they look like ever seen something similar anyplace? I want to use the same containers for all the caches in the series. I have found some other alternatives but they are all bigger and probably won't work as well for the locations where 2 and 4 were hidden. 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<008701c2f4b4$977c6dc0$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0084_01C2F479.E8DB46E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable not a link sent as a attachment We will be known by the tracks we leave behind ----- Original Message -----=20 From: gale and mike=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] geocaching and the BLM The e-mail I received from you via listserv does not show any link to = the article about geocaching. Would you please send it again? Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 >From: "WOLFB8"=20 >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 >To:=20 >Subject: [Az-Geocaching] geocaching and the BLM=20 >Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 05:29:40 -0700=20 >=20 >I attended the Site stewards conference this weekend. There was some = pretty interesting things to say the least!!!=20 >=20 >1. Shelly approach me and stated that the site stewards and geocache = can work together and that she really enjoys cacheing, although she is = doing it with a map and compass. just a bit harder than what we do.She = continued to say that there are no cache near any site, and extents her = thanks for that.=20 >2. Shelly sent me a article that has geocaching in a pretty good = light see below.=20 >.=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. = ____________________________________________________________ = Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your = setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: = http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching = Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com ------=_NextPart_000_0084_01C2F479.E8DB46E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
not a link sent as a = attachment
 
 
We will be known by the tracks we leave = behind
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 gale and mike
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 = 1:39=20 PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = geocaching=20 and the BLM


The e-mail I received from you via listserv does not show any = link to=20 the article about geocaching. Would you please send it = again?




Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang = interminable=20 changes
  On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- = so:
"Something hidden.  Go and find it. Go and look behind the = Ranges=20 --
  "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for = you.=20 Go!"
 
Rudyard Kipling ,   The = Explorer =20 1898
 
>From: "WOLFB8"
>Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
>To:
>Subject: [Az-Geocaching] geocaching and the BLM=20
>Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 05:29:40 -0700=20
>=20
>I attended the Site stewards conference this weekend. = There was=20 some pretty interesting things to say the least!!!=20
>=20
>1. Shelly approach me and stated that the site stewards = and=20 geocache can work together and that she really enjoys cacheing, = although she=20 is doing it with a map and compass. just a bit harder than what we = do.She=20 continued to say that there are no cache near any site, and extents = her thanks=20 for that.=20
>2. Shelly sent me a article that has geocaching in a = pretty=20 good light see below.=20
>.=20

MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE = E-MAIL=20 VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*.=20 ____________________________________________________________ = Az-Geocaching=20 mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe = or=20 unsubscribe visit:=20 http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching = Arizona's=20 Geocaching Resource = http://www.azgeocaching.com ------=_NextPart_000_0084_01C2F479.E8DB46E0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Mar 28 00:22:37 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:22:37 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] geocaching and the BLM In-Reply-To: <008701c2f4b4$977c6dc0$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> References: <008701c2f4b4$977c6dc0$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <3E8395CD.1080101@snaptek.com> They didn't get attached... all we got was 3 links to your hard drive :) C:\WINDOWS\Desktop\March 27, 2003.jpg C:\WINDOWS\Desktop\March 27, 2003 (2).jpg C:\WINDOWS\Desktop\March 27, 2003 (3).jpg Could you try sending them again, I would hate to have to hack your computer to see them Brian Cluff Team Snaptek WOLFB8 wrote: > not a link sent as a attachment > > > We will be known by the tracks we leave behind > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* gale and mike > *To:* listserv@azgeocaching.com > *Sent:* Thursday, March 27, 2003 1:39 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Az-Geocaching] geocaching and the BLM > > > The e-mail I received from you via listserv does not show any link > to the article about geocaching. Would you please send it again? > > > > > Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes > On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: > "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- > "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" > > Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 > > >From: "WOLFB8" > >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > >To: > >Subject: [Az-Geocaching] geocaching and the BLM > >Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 05:29:40 -0700 > > > >I attended the Site stewards conference this weekend. There was > some pretty interesting things to say the least!!! > > > >1. Shelly approach me and stated that the site stewards and > geocache can work together and that she really enjoys cacheing, > although she is doing it with a map and compass. just a bit harder > than what we do.She continued to say that there are no cache near > any site, and extents her thanks for that. > >2. Shelly sent me a article that has geocaching in a pretty good > light see below. > >. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. > Get 2 months FREE*. > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your > setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Mar 28 01:56:45 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 18:56:45 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] geocaching and the BLM In-Reply-To: <3E8395CD.1080101@snaptek.com> References: <008701c2f4b4$977c6dc0$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> <008701c2f4b4$977c6dc0$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030327185622.01cb9110@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 05:22 PM 3/27/2003 -0700, you wrote: >They didn't get attached... Speaking of news stories, will you guys add the recent AZ Daily Star article to the webpage? Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Mar 28 02:31:47 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Webb Pickersgill) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:31:47 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] geocaching and the BLM In-Reply-To: <63508A50-6058-11D7-AB95-000A959F12C6@Comcast.net> Message-ID: <006a01c2f4d2$2eddea00$6601010a@pickersgill.local> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C2F497.827F1200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NO gps... NO credit for the cache. *lol* Webb -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of jim Stamm Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 6:31 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] geocaching and the BLM On Thursday, March 27, 2003, at 05:29 AM, WOLFB8 wrote: "......she really enjoys cacheing, although she is doing it with a map and compass. just a bit harder than what we do......" What? How can that be? No waypoints to look up and load. No batteries to check, or receiver to carry around. Just check the topo, and go there. Works every time! ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C2F497.827F1200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
NO=20 gps... NO credit for the cache.
 
*lol*
 
Webb
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of = jim=20 Stamm
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 6:31 AM
To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = geocaching=20 and the BLM


On Thursday, March 27, 2003, at = 05:29 AM,=20 WOLFB8 wrote:

"......she really = enjoys=20 cacheing, although she is doing it with a map and compass. just a = bit harder=20 than what we = do......"

What? How=20 can that be? No waypoints to look up and load. No batteries to check, = or=20 receiver to carry around. Just check the topo, and go there. Works = every=20 time!
------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C2F497.827F1200-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Mar 28 04:18:43 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Loran Wilcox) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 21:18:43 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] geocaching and the BLM References: <006a01c2f4d2$2eddea00$6601010a@pickersgill.local> Message-ID: <003a01c2f4e1$1f2c2180$0500a8c0@one> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C2F4A6.72470280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My GPS has never found a cache. It only gets me to the general area of = where a cache is. A GPS is not required to find a cache. It's just a little harder without = one. Team Sand Dollar ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Webb Pickersgill=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 7:31 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] geocaching and the BLM NO gps... NO credit for the cache. *lol* Webb -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com = [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of jim = Stamm Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 6:31 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] geocaching and the BLM On Thursday, March 27, 2003, at 05:29 AM, WOLFB8 wrote: "......she really enjoys cacheing, although she is doing it with a = map and compass. just a bit harder than what we do......" What? How can that be? No waypoints to look up and load. No = batteries to check, or receiver to carry around. Just check the topo, = and go there. Works every time! ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C2F4A6.72470280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My GPS has never found a cache. It only = gets me to=20 the general area of where a cache is.
 
A GPS is not required to find a cache. = It's just a=20 little harder without one.
 
Team Sand Dollar
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Webb = Pickersgill=20
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 = 7:31=20 PM
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] = geocaching=20 and the BLM

NO=20 gps... NO credit for the cache.
 
*lol*
 
Webb
-----Original Message-----
From: az-geocachi= ng-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf = Of=20 jim Stamm
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 6:31 = AM
To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.comSubject:=20 Re: [Az-Geocaching] geocaching and the = BLM


On=20 Thursday, March 27, 2003, at 05:29 AM, WOLFB8 wrote:

"......she really = enjoys=20 cacheing, although she is doing it with a map and compass. just a = bit=20 harder than what we=20 do......"

What? How can = that=20 be? No waypoints to look up and load. No batteries to check, or = receiver to=20 carry around. Just check the topo, and go there. Works every=20 time!
------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C2F4A6.72470280-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Mar 28 03:05:30 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bill Tomlinson) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 20:05:30 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] geocaching and the BLM In-Reply-To: <003a01c2f4e1$1f2c2180$0500a8c0@one> Message-ID: <014c01c2f4d6$e45eec40$697ba8c0@qwest.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_014D_01C2F49C.38001440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My GPS finds all of my caches. I added an electric motor and all = terrain tires. I just sit back and let it do it's thing. My next upgrade will allow the GPS to also sign the log for me. ;-) =20 CacheLess -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = Loran Wilcox Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 9:19 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] geocaching and the BLM My GPS has never found a cache. It only gets me to the general area of = where a cache is. =20 A GPS is not required to find a cache. It's just a little harder without one. =20 Team Sand Dollar ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Webb Pickersgill=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 7:31 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] geocaching and the BLM NO gps... NO credit for the cache. =20 *lol* =20 Webb -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of jim = Stamm Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 6:31 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] geocaching and the BLM On Thursday, March 27, 2003, at 05:29 AM, WOLFB8 wrote: "......she really enjoys cacheing, although she is doing it with a map = and compass. just a bit harder than what we do......" What? How can that be? No waypoints to look up and load. No batteries to check, or receiver to carry around. Just check the topo, and go there. = Works every time! ------=_NextPart_000_014D_01C2F49C.38001440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
My GPS=20 finds all of my caches.  I added an electric motor and all terrain=20 tires.  I just sit back and let it do it's thing.  My next = upgrade=20 will allow the GPS to also sign the log for me.  = ;-)
 
CacheLess
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = Loran Wilcox
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 9:19=20 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re:=20 [Az-Geocaching] geocaching and the BLM

My GPS has never found a cache. It = only gets me=20 to the general area of where a cache is.
 
A GPS is not required to find a = cache. It's just=20 a little harder without one.
 
Team Sand Dollar
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Webb=20 Pickersgill
Sent: Thursday, March 27, = 2003 7:31=20 PM
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] = geocaching=20 and the BLM

NO=20 gps... NO credit for the cache.
 
*lol*
 
Webb
-----Original Message-----
From: az-geocachi= ng-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf = Of=20 jim Stamm
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 6:31=20 AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.comSubject:=20 Re: [Az-Geocaching] geocaching and the = BLM


On=20 Thursday, March 27, 2003, at 05:29 AM, WOLFB8 wrote:

"......she really = enjoys cacheing, although she is doing it with a map and = compass. just a=20 bit harder than what we=20 do......"

What? How = can that=20 be? No waypoints to look up and load. No batteries to check, or = receiver=20 to carry around. Just check the topo, and go there. Works every=20 time!
------=_NextPart_000_014D_01C2F49C.38001440-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Mar 28 04:08:52 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RAND HARDIN) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 21:08:52 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] geocaching and the BLM Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C2F4A5.11E1FF40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's right! You tell her Webb! We can't have people ruining what geoc= aching is all about! [;-)] [:-D] RandMan ----- Original Message ----- From: Webb Pickersgill Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 7:37 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] geocaching and the BLM NO gps... NO credit for the cache. *lol* Webb -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching= -admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of jim Stamm Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 6:31 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] geocaching and the BLM On Thursday, March 27, 2003, at 05:29 AM, WOLFB8 wrote: "......she really enjoys cacheing, although she is doing it with a map an= d compass. just a bit harder than what we do......" ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C2F4A5.11E1FF40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That's right!&= nbsp; You tell her Webb!  We can't have people ruining what geocachi= ng is all about!  [;-)]  [:-D]
 
Ran= dMan
 
----- Original Message -----=
From: Webb Pickersgill
S= ent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 7:37 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] geocaching and the BLM
=
 
NO gps... NO credit for the cache.
=  
*lol*
=  
Webb
=
-----Original Message-----
From: az-geocaching-ad= min@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeoc= aching.com]On Behalf Of jim Stamm
Sent: Thursday, March = 27, 2003 6:31 AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] geocaching and the BLM


On = Thursday, March 27, 2003, at 05:29 AM, WOLFB8 wrote:

= "......she really enjoys cacheing, a= lthough she is doing it with a map and compass. just a bit harder than wh= at we do......"

------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C2F4A5.11E1FF40-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Mar 28 04:27:43 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RAND HARDIN) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 21:27:43 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] "Soldiers Like Him" Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C2F4A7.B430AD80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is unrelated to geocaching . . . but I thought I would share it anyw= ay! =20 If you would like to take a moment to think of all of the brave soldiers = who have, and who are now fighting for our country, turn up the sound on = your computer and click here: http://www.talltexian.com/AmericaForever/i= d28.htm =20 Rand =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C2F4A7.B430AD80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This is unrela= ted to geocaching . . . but I thought I would share it anyway! 
 
If you would like to take a moment to think of = all of the brave soldiers who have, and who are now fighting&nb= sp;for our country, turn up the sound on your computer and click her= e:  ht= tp://www.talltexian.com/AmericaForever/id28.htm
 
Rand   

------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C2F4A7.B430AD80-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Mar 28 06:34:40 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 23:34:40 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] geocaching and the BLM In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030327185622.01cb9110@mail.myblueheaven.com> References: <008701c2f4b4$977c6dc0$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> <008701c2f4b4$977c6dc0$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20030327185622.01cb9110@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: <3E83ED00.9020807@Snaptek.com> Scott Wood wrote: > At 05:22 PM 3/27/2003 -0700, you wrote: > >> They didn't get attached... > > > Speaking of news stories, will you guys add the recent AZ Daily Star > article to the webpage? I would, but you said something to the effect that the article wouldn't be on the web for long. All I can legally do is link to in without getting permission to reprint it. If it won't be on the web for long, I would be more than happy to put a copy us with permission. If I under stood you wrong and it will be online permanently or at least for an extended period of time, I would be more than happy to post it. Brian Cluff' Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Mar 28 06:41:56 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 23:41:56 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] geocaching and the BLM, the article. Message-ID: <3E83EEB4.3080800@Snaptek.com> Libby posted the article as 3 absolutly massive JPEG images totaling about 7 megabytes of data.... way too much to be sending over a mailing list. The people with modems would kill me :) Not to mention chewing up around 1.3 gig worth of bandwith (not counting bounced messages) Anyway, I intercepted them and doctored them a bit, and now they are 3 150 kilobyte gif images that I uploaded to the web server. Click below to view the files: http://www.azgeocaching.com/story-images/blm-20030327-1.gif http://www.azgeocaching.com/story-images/blm-20030327-2.gif http://www.azgeocaching.com/story-images/blm-20030327-3.gif Enjoy, and thankyou Libby (WolfB8) for taking the time to scan and post them. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Mar 28 14:20:37 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Webb Pickersgill) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 07:20:37 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] geocaching and the BLM In-Reply-To: <014c01c2f4d6$e45eec40$697ba8c0@qwest.net> Message-ID: <008401c2f535$34c0d640$6601010a@pickersgill.local> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C2F4FA.8861FE40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MessageI was thinking about a sound modification, kind of like a metal detector... walk around with it beeping, until the beeps get closer together and eventually you have a solid tone. Then, a panel on the front of the GPSr opens up, hydraulic robotic arms come out and get the cache. Human signing is optional... or your sig can be programmed to be done by the robotic arm if you'd rather not bother. Anyone interested? I'm sure Wyle E would add it to the front of his Jeep. But the real question would be.. "Does it count if you never really touch the cache?" *rofl* Webb -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Bill Tomlinson Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 8:06 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] geocaching and the BLM My GPS finds all of my caches. I added an electric motor and all terrain tires. I just sit back and let it do it's thing. My next upgrade will allow the GPS to also sign the log for me. ;-) CacheLess -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Loran Wilcox Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 9:19 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] geocaching and the BLM My GPS has never found a cache. It only gets me to the general area of where a cache is. A GPS is not required to find a cache. It's just a little harder without one. Team Sand Dollar ----- Original Message ----- From: Webb Pickersgill To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 7:31 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] geocaching and the BLM NO gps... NO credit for the cache. *lol* Webb -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of jim Stamm Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 6:31 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] geocaching and the BLM On Thursday, March 27, 2003, at 05:29 AM, WOLFB8 wrote: "......she really enjoys cacheing, although she is doing it with a map and compass. just a bit harder than what we do......" What? How can that be? No waypoints to look up and load. No batteries to check, or receiver to carry around. Just check the topo, and go there. Works every time! ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C2F4FA.8861FE40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
I was=20 thinking about a sound modification, kind of like a metal detector... = walk=20 around with it beeping, until the beeps get closer together and = eventually you=20 have a solid tone.  Then, a panel on the front of the GPSr opens=20 up, hydraulic robotic arms come out and get the cache.  Human = signing=20 is optional... or your sig can be programmed to be done by the robotic = arm if=20 you'd rather not bother.  Anyone interested?  I'm sure Wyle E = would=20 add it to the front of his Jeep.   But the real question would = be..=20 "Does it count if you never really touch the cache?"=20 *rofl* 
 
Webb
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of = Bill=20 Tomlinson
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 8:06 = PM
To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] = geocaching=20 and the BLM

My=20 GPS finds all of my caches.  I added an electric motor and all = terrain=20 tires.  I just sit back and let it do it's thing.  My next = upgrade=20 will allow the GPS to also sign the log for me.  = ;-)
 
CacheLess
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf = Of=20 Loran Wilcox
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 9:19=20 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re:=20 [Az-Geocaching] geocaching and the BLM

My GPS has never found a cache. It = only gets me=20 to the general area of where a cache is.
 
A GPS is not required to find a = cache. It's=20 just a little harder without one.
 
Team Sand Dollar
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Webb=20 Pickersgill
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
Sent: Thursday, March 27, = 2003 7:31=20 PM
Subject: RE: = [Az-Geocaching]=20 geocaching and the BLM

NO gps... NO credit for the cache.
 
*lol*
 
Webb
-----Original Message-----
From: az-geocachi= ng-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On = Behalf Of=20 jim Stamm
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 6:31=20 AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.comSubject:=20 Re: [Az-Geocaching] geocaching and the = BLM


On=20 Thursday, March 27, 2003, at 05:29 AM, WOLFB8 wrote:

"......she = really=20 enjoys cacheing, although she is doing it with a map and = compass. just=20 a bit harder than what we=20 do......"

What? How = can=20 that be? No waypoints to look up and load. No batteries to = check, or=20 receiver to carry around. Just check the topo, and go there. = Works every=20 = time!
------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C2F4FA.8861FE40-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Mar 28 16:21:24 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 09:21:24 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] geocaching and the BLM In-Reply-To: <006a01c2f4d2$2eddea00$6601010a@pickersgill.local> References: <006a01c2f4d2$2eddea00$6601010a@pickersgill.local> Message-ID: <3E847684.2090906@Snaptek.com> Webb Pickersgill wrote: >NO gps... NO credit for the cache. > > Well she'll have a hard time logging them on the web. I was told at the meeting last year that she doesn't own a computer. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Mar 28 17:18:53 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 10:18:53 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] geocaching and the BLM In-Reply-To: <3E83ED00.9020807@Snaptek.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030327185622.01cb9110@mail.myblueheaven.com> <008701c2f4b4$977c6dc0$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> <008701c2f4b4$977c6dc0$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20030327185622.01cb9110@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030328101659.02f2d198@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 11:34 PM 3/27/2003 -0700, you wrote: >I would, but you said something to the effect that the article wouldn't be >on the web for long. All I can legally do is link to in without getting >permission to reprint it. If it won't be on the web for long, I would be >more than happy to put a copy us with permission. If I under stood you >wrong and it will be online permanently or at least for an extended period >of time, I would be more than happy to post it. I'm sorry, I just realized that I wasn't very clear on that message. All that should happen after Saturday is that the link will change. The Star has a really strange setup when they keep articles under the same link for 7 days. They have them somewhat under the day that they were posted, Saturday in this case. After that, they move them to an archive directory that they stay in for a long time. I will check tomorrow and send the correct link for the archive. In liberty, Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Mar 28 17:22:03 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 10:22:03 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] geocaching and the BLM In-Reply-To: <3E847684.2090906@Snaptek.com> References: <006a01c2f4d2$2eddea00$6601010a@pickersgill.local> <006a01c2f4d2$2eddea00$6601010a@pickersgill.local> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030328102116.01fb55f8@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 09:21 AM 3/28/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Well she'll have a hard time logging them on the web. I was told at the >meeting last year that she doesn't own a computer. If that's the case, won't she have a hard time finding the coordinates in the first place? In liberty, Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Mar 28 17:58:19 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Heather Drake) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 19:58:19 +0200 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Purchasing a GPS jammer In-Reply-To: <200303261835.LAA12995@ns2.sequoia.net> Message-ID: Ya know, I'm pretty much a lurker on this list.....just like to keep up with what's happening on the AZ geocache front...However, being here in Istanbul, Turkey, I have heard of where to go to buy the black market technology....maybe I can track down one of those GPS jammers.....? Just a thought, Heather (aka Darsantre in her log sigs) *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* I am NOT addicted to geocaching. I can stop at any time. Geocaching is not a way of life for me. I donšt need to geocache every day. I can drive past a known geocache location without stopping to search for it. I am NOT addicted to geocaching. Really. http://www.geocaching.com/ ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Mar 28 20:04:42 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 15:04:42 -0500 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] geocaching and the BLM Message-ID: <4457FED7.76681575.0013DAD2@aol.com> People like her have made it their business to give people like us a hard time, and at the same time use Guv'ment resources to research, hunt, and track geocaches. I want that job, except for the giving a hard time thing. Of course if "they" supported geocaching they would not be drawing a paycheck while out geocaching. Cameron > > At 09:21 AM 3/28/2003 -0700, you wrote: > > >Well she'll have a hard time logging them on the web. I was told at the > >meeting last year that she doesn't own a computer. > > If that's the case, won't she have a hard time finding the coordinates in > the first place? > > > In liberty, > > Scott > > wood@myblueheaven.com > www.myblueheaven.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocach > ing > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Mar 28 20:22:25 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Koch, Dan) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 13:22:25 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Smokin' GPS Attachment Deal for (Some) Palm U sers Message-ID: The same GPS attachment for Palms that was talked about before is now on sale at Amazon.com. $63 after rebates. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000066SUD/ref%3Dnosim/bensbargaicent er/002-1110869-7428838 From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Mar 28 20:30:29 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 13:30:29 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] geocaching and the BLM In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030328101659.02f2d198@mail.myblueheaven.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030327185622.01cb9110@mail.myblueheaven.com> <008701c2f4b4$977c6dc0$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> <008701c2f4b4$977c6dc0$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20030327185622.01cb9110@mail.myblueheaven.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20030328101659.02f2d198@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: <3E84B0E5.5040103@snaptek.com> Scott Wood wrote: > I'm sorry, I just realized that I wasn't very clear on that message. > All that should happen after Saturday is that the link will change. The > Star has a really strange setup when they keep articles under the same > link for 7 days. They have them somewhat under the day that they were > posted, Saturday in this case. After that, they move them to an archive > directory that they stay in for a long time. I will check tomorrow and > send the correct link for the archive. That's great news! I'll get the new link up the same day you get it to me. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Mar 29 01:27:33 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (gale and mike) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 01:27:33 +0000 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] geocaching and the BLM Message-ID:

We didn't have a computer until 2 weeks ago...the library ones are free.



Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
  On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden.  Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
  "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"

Rudyard Kipling ,   The Explorer  1898

>From: Brian Cluff
>Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
>To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
>Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] geocaching and the BLM
>Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 09:21:24 -0700
>
>Webb Pickersgill wrote:
>
>>NO gps... NO credit for the cache.
>>
>>
>Well she'll have a hard time logging them on the web. I was told at
>the meeting last year that she doesn't own a computer.
>
>Brian Cluff
>Team Snaptek
>
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MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Mar 29 02:07:23 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bill Burkett) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 19:07:23 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Quick Way to Select a Group of Caches for a Custom Book? In-Reply-To: <3E83EEB4.3080800@Snaptek.com> Message-ID: Is there a quick way to select a group of caches for a custom book on azgeocaching? What I'd like to do is have a book containing all the caches within, say, a 20-mile radius of someplace. I understand how to sort, using my starting place as the center point. But is there a way other than clicking all the Build Into Custom Book checkboxes individually to select a bunch of them? From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Mar 29 03:12:38 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Mark Heitowit) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 20:12:38 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Quick Way to Select a Group of Caches for a Custom Book? References: Message-ID: <3E850F26.A38A1CAC@usa.net> Also is there a way to sort in order by GC number after selecting by distance? Mark, Magical Memories Bill Burkett wrote: > Is there a quick way to select a group of caches for a custom book on > azgeocaching? > > What I'd like to do is have a book containing all the caches within, say, a > 20-mile radius of someplace. I understand how to sort, using my starting > place as the center point. But is there a way other than clicking all the > Build Into Custom Book checkboxes individually to select a bunch of them? > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Mar 29 03:19:44 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Steve Gross) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 20:19:44 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] geocaching and the BLM In-Reply-To: <4457FED7.76681575.0013DAD2@aol.com> Message-ID: <002301c2f5a2$0c724e40$6401a8c0@DESKTOP> > People like her have made it their business to give people like us a hard > time, and at the same time use Guv'ment resources to research, hunt, and > track geocaches. I want that job, except for the giving a hard time thing. > Of course if "they" supported geocaching they would not be drawing a > paycheck while out geocaching. I think folks here will tell you that I'm far from running for president of "her" fan club, but I also think I should point out that in this case, "her" and the "people like her" are volunteers. Steve Team Tierra Buena From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Mar 29 05:08:44 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 22:08:44 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] geocaching and the BLM References: <002301c2f5a2$0c724e40$6401a8c0@DESKTOP> Message-ID: <000901c2f5b1$46db7840$aa28b83f@fishkiller> ya mean we don't get paid to look either? someone might even say that this volunteer thing is getting out of hand I had to sign a log today with blood, as no other writing implement was available. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Gross" To: Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 8:19 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] geocaching and the BLM > > People like her have made it their business to give people like us a > hard > > time, and at the same time use Guv'ment resources to research, hunt, > and > > track geocaches. I want that job, except for the giving a hard time > thing. > > Of course if "they" supported geocaching they would not be drawing a > > paycheck while out geocaching. > > I think folks here will tell you that I'm far from running for president > of "her" fan club, but I also think I should point out that in this > case, "her" and the "people like her" are volunteers. > > Steve > Team Tierra Buena > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Mar 29 23:05:38 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 16:05:38 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Need lead on FroBro containers Message-ID: <20030329150539.21684.h015.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Dennis, Thanks for Goose's update and the cute pic. We are praying daily for the war situation in general (to be sucessful and end quickly) and individually for any friends' sons/relatives/friends (for safety....3 of them so far) we know that are in the Service (one in Iraq, one going to Saudi in July...Air Force Special MP dog and all, one just finished Army Basic. We will add Goose to the list (what is his name?). Trisha & Dan "Lightning & VStar" Prescott On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, "Dennis Wodarz" wrote: > > Two of the FroBro caches (#2 and #4) have gone missing. We currently do > not have a source for the containers that we used. Has anyone who knows > what they look like ever seen something similar anyplace? I want to use > the same containers for all the caches in the series. I have found some > other alternatives but they are all bigger and probably won't work as > well for the locations where 2 and 4 were hidden. > > BTW FroBro Goose has finished Basic Enlisted Submarine School in > Groton, > CT and was the Honor graduate (highest average). He now gets computer > training and then more training for his current specialty which is > sonar. It'll be several months yet before he is done with training and > gets stationed someplace. I've attached a picture. He's the old, tall > guy with sunglasses in with the other kids in his class and some cute > girls they met during a rare weekend off in NY city. He says everyone > in > NY wanted a picture with them in uniform. > > FroBro D-Dubs From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Mar 30 20:01:49 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 13:01:49 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Things and Thoughts Message-ID: <006e01c2f6f7$346feaa0$eae9b141@fishkiller> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C2F6BC.86EC1AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What things seem to be handy while caching? Backpack/ Fanny Pack Small hand mirror Magellan GPS or a Garmin... Plenty of Pens=20 Plenty of Trading Trinkets Notebook/Palm thingy Comfortable All Terrain-Shoes Metal Detector Cell Phone First Aid Kit Trinket sniffing Dog What are the first 10 Arizona Caches placed? How many are still Active? Why it is so difficult to log a NO find? =20 ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C2F6BC.86EC1AA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
What things seem to be handy while=20 caching?
 
 Backpack/ Fanny Pack
 Small hand mirror
 Magellan GPS or a = Garmin...
 Plenty of Pens
 Plenty of Trading = Trinkets
 Notebook/Palm thingy
 Comfortable All = Terrain-Shoes
 Metal Detector
 Cell Phone
 First Aid Kit
 Trinket sniffing Dog
 
 
 
What are the first 10 Arizona Caches=20 placed?
How many are still Active?
Why it is so difficult to log a NO=20 find?
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C2F6BC.86EC1AA0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Mar 30 20:54:01 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (gale and mike) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 20:54:01 +0000 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Things and Thoughts Message-ID:

You wrote:

1)What things seem to be handy while caching?

2)Why it is so difficult to log a NO find?

My response:

1)How can you forget water/drink in our desert??? And sunblock. Tweezers.

2)Because I feel like an idiot and can't bring myself to publicly admit it. However, if there are no other finds for a couple of weeks after we've looked, I may privately e-mail the cache owner.

Mike wants to know...is there life after the UA Wildcats are eliminated from the tournament?... He's sulking.




Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
  On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden.  Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
  "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"
 
Rudyard Kipling ,   The Explorer  1898

STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Mar 30 22:48:19 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jerry Nelson) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 15:48:19 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Things and Thoughts References: <006e01c2f6f7$346feaa0$eae9b141@fishkiller> Message-ID: <001301c2f70e$75cf06e0$23fb6a44@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C2F6D3.C934AC80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll add: Extra batteries Digital Camera Snacks And if you're over 45 like me, reading glasses Jerry Offtrail ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Regan Smith=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 1:01 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Things and Thoughts What things seem to be handy while caching? Backpack/ Fanny Pack Small hand mirror Magellan GPS or a Garmin... Plenty of Pens=20 Plenty of Trading Trinkets Notebook/Palm thingy Comfortable All Terrain-Shoes Metal Detector Cell Phone First Aid Kit Trinket sniffing Dog What are the first 10 Arizona Caches placed? How many are still Active? Why it is so difficult to log a NO find? ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C2F6D3.C934AC80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'll add:
 
Extra batteries
Digital Camera
Snacks
 
And if you're over 45 like me, reading=20 glasses
 
Jerry
Offtrail
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Regan=20 Smith
Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 = 1:01=20 PM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Things = and=20 Thoughts

What things seem to be handy while=20 caching?
 
 Backpack/ Fanny = Pack
 Small hand mirror
 Magellan GPS or a = Garmin...
 Plenty of Pens
 Plenty of Trading = Trinkets
 Notebook/Palm = thingy
 Comfortable All = Terrain-Shoes
 Metal Detector
 Cell Phone
 First Aid Kit
 Trinket sniffing = Dog
 
 
 
What are the first 10 Arizona Caches=20 placed?
How many are still = Active?
Why it is so difficult to log a NO=20 find?
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C2F6D3.C934AC80-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Mar 30 23:10:43 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 18:10:43 EST Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Things and Thoughts Message-ID: <103.2ad944f5.2bb8d373@aol.com> --part1_103.2ad944f5.2bb8d373_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Plus: Sunscreen Sun Glasses walking stick or a snake bite kit WhtWolf/ Sherri --part1_103.2ad944f5.2bb8d373_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Plus:

Sunscreen
Sun Glasses
walking stick or a snake bite kit
 

   WhtWolf/ Sherri --part1_103.2ad944f5.2bb8d373_boundary-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Mar 30 23:07:26 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Mark Heitowit) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 16:07:26 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Things and Thoughts References: <006e01c2f6f7$346feaa0$eae9b141@fishkiller> Message-ID: <3E8778AE.6B6792C8@usa.net> --------------DF8A933CF43FC62702AA12CD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why it is so difficult to log a NO find? EGO, the stats are based on finds, not no finds. Mark, Magical Memories Regan Smith wrote: > What things seem to be handy while caching? Backpack/ Fanny > Pack Small hand mirror Magellan GPS or a Garmin... Plenty of > Pens Plenty of Trading Trinkets Notebook/Palm thingy Comfortable All > Terrain-Shoes Metal Detector Cell Phone First Aid Kit Trinket sniffing > Dog What are the first 10 Arizona Caches placed?How many are still > Active?Why it is so difficult to log a NO find? --------------DF8A933CF43FC62702AA12CD Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why it is so difficult to log a NO find? EGO, the stats are based on finds, not no finds. Mark, Magical Memories

Regan Smith wrote:

What things seem to be handy while caching?  Backpack/ Fanny Pack Small hand mirror Magellan GPS or a Garmin... Plenty of Pens Plenty of Trading Trinkets Notebook/Palm thingy Comfortable All Terrain-Shoes Metal Detector Cell Phone First Aid Kit Trinket sniffing Dog   What are the first 10 Arizona Caches placed?How many are still Active?Why it is so difficult to log a NO find?   
--------------DF8A933CF43FC62702AA12CD-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Mar 30 23:57:36 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Cody Brown) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 16:57:36 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Things and Thoughts In-Reply-To: <006e01c2f6f7$346feaa0$eae9b141@fishkiller> Message-ID: <000401c2f718$24bb0fb0$c8d63fd1@teamcbx2> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2F6DD.785DBE50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What things seem to be handy while caching? You should take a pair of needle nose pliers or hemostats to get the dreaded cactus that tend to jump on you. Also in the heat of summer remember the cool paws for the dogs :-). Team CBx2 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2F6DD.785DBE50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

 

 

What things seem to be = handy while caching?

 

You should take = a pair of needle nose pliers or hemostats to get the dreaded cactus that tend to = jump on you.

       &nbs= p;     Also in the heat of summer remember the cool paws for the dogs = <= span style=3D'mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Wingdings'>J<= /span>.

       &nbs= p;     Team CBx2

 

 

 

 

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2F6DD.785DBE50-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 31 00:18:16 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (jeanne williams) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 16:18:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Things and Thoughts In-Reply-To: <000401c2f718$24bb0fb0$c8d63fd1@teamcbx2> Message-ID: <20030331001816.80107.qmail@web21404.mail.yahoo.com> Also reward your dof with Frosty Paws from the ice cream section of your local supermarket. Dogs love them. Until there are none adopt one. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 31 18:07:36 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brent Milner) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 11:07:36 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Need lead on FroBro containers In-Reply-To: <20030329150539.21684.h015.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: Hi Trisha, Goose's real name is Justin. He still has some time before he could be deployed. He can still be reached via e-mail, and he may even still be reading this listserv. -Brent (FroBro Q-Tip) -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Trisha Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 4:06 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Need lead on FroBro containers Dennis, Thanks for Goose's update and the cute pic. We are praying daily for the war situation in general (to be sucessful and end quickly) and individually for any friends' sons/relatives/friends (for safety....3 of them so far) we know that are in the Service (one in Iraq, one going to Saudi in July...Air Force Special MP dog and all, one just finished Army Basic. We will add Goose to the list (what is his name?). Trisha & Dan "Lightning & VStar" Prescott On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, "Dennis Wodarz" wrote: > > Two of the FroBro caches (#2 and #4) have gone missing. We currently do > not have a source for the containers that we used. Has anyone who knows > what they look like ever seen something similar anyplace? I want to use > the same containers for all the caches in the series. I have found some > other alternatives but they are all bigger and probably won't work as > well for the locations where 2 and 4 were hidden. > > BTW FroBro Goose has finished Basic Enlisted Submarine School in > Groton, > CT and was the Honor graduate (highest average). He now gets computer > training and then more training for his current specialty which is > sonar. It'll be several months yet before he is done with training and > gets stationed someplace. I've attached a picture. He's the old, tall > guy with sunglasses in with the other kids in his class and some cute > girls they met during a rare weekend off in NY city. He says everyone > in > NY wanted a picture with them in uniform. > > FroBro D-Dubs ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com ******************************************************************************* The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential. It is intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager or the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any one or make copies. ** eSafe scanned this email for viruses, vandals and malicious content ** ******************************************************************************* From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 31 18:59:06 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 13:59:06 -0500 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Caching partners needed. Message-ID: <20030331185902.KQMH1559.fed1mtao05.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Well, might as well be up front about life, i've been less than highly motivated to go caching for more than a few years now. Anyone want to drag me along someday? :) thanks Lasivian http://members.cox.net/lasivian From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 31 22:34:59 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (gale and mike) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 22:34:59 +0000 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Missing cache Message-ID:
It's just one of those facts of life I guess. I wanted to let people know that one of our caches UrbanScape Objects d'Arte disappeared along with the object it was hidden under/behind/within (take your pick). The city replaced said object with new ones so the cache is temporarily disabled until we can replace it.


Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
  On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden.  Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
  "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"
 
Rudyard Kipling ,   The Explorer  1898

MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 31 23:00:35 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:00:35 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Missing cache Message-ID: <20030331150035.23857.h018.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Fact of life is right. The fact being that there will always be thieves and bad people out there....I just had a cache go missing (ammo can, of course) and checked on another up here in Prescott that is also gone. Trisha "Lightning" Prescott On Mon, 31 Mar 2003, "gale and mike" wrote: It's just one of those facts of life I guess. I wanted to let people know that one of our caches UrbanScape Objects d'Arte disappeared along with the object it was hidden under/behind/within (take your pick). The city replaced said object with new ones so the cache is temporarily disabled until we can replace it. Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes  On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:"Something hidden.  Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --  "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"   Rudyard Kipling ,   The Explorer  1898 MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Mar 31 23:49:15 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (HighwayHavoc) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 15:49:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another use for GPS In-Reply-To: <3E83EEB4.3080800@Snaptek.com> Message-ID: <20030331234915.99313.qmail@web40514.mail.yahoo.com> Check out this alternative way to use a GPS! This is off topic, so I'll add - someone oughtta put a geocache in there! http://www.snopes.com/photos/cornmaze.asp Mark A. Pedersen __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com