[Az-Geocaching] Re: Az-Geocaching digest, Vol 1 #945 - 10 msgs
C. Harris
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Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:01:15 -0700
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> 1. Re: The "Most Unsecure" OS (Eric Quinn)
> 2. Re: TB airport hotels/motels (Eric Quinn)
> 3. RE: TB at airports (Dennis Wodarz)
> 4. RE: TB at airports (Dennis Wodarz)
> 5. Re: TB airport hotels/motels (Team Cache-Quest)
> 6. For the gods first, then anyone else (Regan Smith)
> 7. Re: The "Most Unsecure" OS (Mike Ingoglia)
> 8. Re: For the gods first, then anyone else (Brian Cluff)
> 9. Re: The "Most Unsecure" OS (trisha@brasher.com)
> 10. Re: For the gods first, then anyone else (trisha@brasher.com)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:23:56 -0800 (PST)
>From: Eric Quinn <halthron@yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] The "Most Unsecure" OS
>To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
>Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
>
>
>Adding the same alert for several different
>distributions multiple times certainly increases the
>count. The problem is that "Linux" is just the kernel.
>The vast majority of holes, are in the non-kernel
>components. Finally, I would believe a Linux article
>from Winformant as much as I would a Windows article
>from a Linux source.
>
>Eric
>Team Dragon
>
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>Message: 2
>Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:36:36 -0800 (PST)
>From: Eric Quinn <halthron@yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] TB airport hotels/motels
>To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
>Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
>
>
>--- Heather Drake <h3rdr8k@ispwest.com> wrote:
>
> > PS I've already emailed Gerhard to see if the cache
> > is within walking
> > distance. If so, I'll go after it!
>
>Every taxi I've been in offered hourly rates, in case
>there's a bit of a hike. I've loved being in a foreign
>country with a GPS hanging out the window of a taxi,
>giving driving directions.
>
>Have a good time but make sure you look at the line
>coming back in, before you leave. You don't want to
>miss the flight.
>
>Eric
>Team Draon
>
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>Message: 3
>From: "Dennis Wodarz" <denniswodarz@hotmail.com>
>To: <listserv@azgeocaching.com>, <az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com>
>Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 02:51:42 -0700
>Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: TB at airports
>Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
>
>
>I knew there was a travel bug exchange type cache at O'hare but I didn't
>know about the one in Frankfurt. I'll have to check it out next time I
>fly there. I'm assuming it's a little bit of a drive by the description
>and a little bit too far to walk but maybe the cache owners will advise
>you otherwise. Good luck in Germany and your other destinations.
>
>BTW I speak fluent German in case someone else needs logs or cache
>descriptions translated.
>
>FroBro D-Dubs
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>Message: 4
>From: "Dennis Wodarz" <denniswodarz@hotmail.com>
>To: <listserv@azgeocaching.com>, <az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com>
>Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 02:51:42 -0700
>Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: TB at airports
>Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
>
>
>I knew there was a travel bug exchange type cache at O'hare but I didn't
>know about the one in Frankfurt. I'll have to check it out next time I
>fly there. I'm assuming it's a little bit of a drive by the description
>and a little bit too far to walk but maybe the cache owners will advise
>you otherwise. Good luck in Germany and your other destinations.
>
>BTW I speak fluent German in case someone else needs logs or cache
>descriptions translated.
>
>FroBro D-Dubs
>
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>Message: 5
>From: "Team Cache-Quest" <cache-quest@cox.net>
>To: <listserv@azgeocaching.com>
>Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] TB airport hotels/motels
>Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:26:03 -0700
>Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
>
>I had an interesting experience at a bug hotel cache in Barcelona a couple
>weeks ago.
>
>http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=46668
>
>This cache is literally right at the airport hidden in a parking garage. I
>was the first to visit it and it made me a little nervous considering the
>location and increased security at airports. It made me even more nervous
>that there was a person hanging out with a pair of binoculars at the cache
>location when I got there on the day I arrived. He had luggage with him and
>he appeared to be watching planes take off and land. I waited for about half
>and hour and finally went to my hotel. He was still there as I drove away
>in the taxi.
>
>I arrived at the airport early on the day I left and went to the cache
>location. The area was deserted and I was able to find and log the cache.
>Unfortunately the travel bugs were headed east and I was headed west, so I
>didn't pick one up.
>
>Jerry (Cache-Quest)
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Heather Drake" <h3rdr8k@ispwest.com>
>To: <listserv@azgeocaching.com>
>Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 10:31 PM
>Subject: [Az-Geocaching] TB airport hotels/motels
>
>
> > Hiya folks,
> >
> > I thought you'd get a kick outta this one (I did). On my way to Istanbul
> > this Wednesday/Thursday, I'll be flying through Frankfurt am Main and
> > thought I'd see if there were any caches around the airport that I could
>go
> > after during my three hour layover. Well, as it turns out, there's a
>travel
> > bug motel near the airport! Haha, geocachers around the world have the
>same
> > idea! You can check it out at
> >
>http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?pf=&ID=47580&decrypt=y&log
> > =
> >
> > Amusedly,
> > Heather (aka Darsantre in her log sigs)
> >
> > PS I've already emailed Gerhard to see if the cache is within walking
> > distance. If so, I'll go after it!
> >
> > *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*
> > I am NOT addicted to geocaching. I can
> > stop at any time. Geocaching is not a
> > way of life for me. I donšt need to
> > geocache every day. I can drive past a
> > known geocache location without
> > stopping to search for it. I am NOT
> > addicted to geocaching. Really.
> > http://www.geocaching.com/
> > ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^
> >
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>Message: 6
>From: "Regan Smith" <buggers@mindspring.com>
>To: <listserv@azgeocaching.com>
>Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:29:41 -0700
>Subject: [Az-Geocaching] For the gods first, then anyone else
>Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
>
>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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>
>On the Stats:
>
>What would happen if a cacher was to log more than 1 find on the same =
>cache?
>
>Reason being I was pondering a true multi cache that has one set of =
>coords but two or more different cache containers..with each container =
>being a find..
>
>Then I was also pondering renting a vehicle that comes with unlimited =
>miles and doing a day of caching, I currently have over (a large number) =
>of caches on my to do list mostly in the areas of the San Tans along =
>Apache Trail, the Lower Salt River, then a few of the caches located =
>around Pagago Park,in Scottsdale etc... anyone interested in joining on =
>like a Thursday????
>
>
>
>
>
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>On the Stats:
>
>What would happen if a cacher was to = log more than=20 1 find on the same
>cache?
>
>Reason being I was pondering a = true multi=20 cache that has one set of
>coords but two or more different cache=20 containers..with each container
>being a find..
>
>Then I was also pondering renting a = vehicle that=20 comes with unlimited
>miles and doing a day of caching, I currently have=20 over (a large
>number) of caches on my to do list mostly in the = areas=20 of the San
>Tans along Apache Trail, the Lower Salt River, then a = few of the=20
>caches located around Pagago Park,in Scottsdale etc... anyone = interested
>in=20 joining on like a Thursday????
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>Message: 7
>From: "Mike Ingoglia" <mike@leaplab.com>
>To: <listserv@azgeocaching.com>
>Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] The "Most Unsecure" OS
>Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:20:17 -0700
>Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
>
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>MessageThis is why the Internet was pretty much founded on BSD based =
>UNIX. Remember, LINUX isn't really UNIX, it's UNIX like. BSD based =
>systems are tried and true and with other flavors of UNIX still account =
>for the majority of the Web servers on the Internet. Yahoo! is run on =
>FreeBSD servers, Hotmail (yes Microsoft) runs on FreeBSD servers =
>(they're slowly trying to change this... bad P.R., you know), Sony Japan =
>runs on FreeBSD, Walnut Creek (the busiest FTP site in the world) runs =
>on FreeBSD... just to through this in, I believe Google runs on LINUX. =
>If my numbers are still correct, an Apache web server still (although =
>just barely) has more installs then all the other web server combined (I =
>believe it's around 50% of all web servers run UNIX based Apache). =
>Also, in defense of LINUX and the other open source projects one thing =
>you have to keep in mind is in mixed environments the UNIX system is =
>usually the one that's outside the firewall or on DMZ networks... it's =
>pretty much out in the wind and therefore more prone to direct attacks. =
>It is my opinion that UNIX is held to a higher standard then it's =
>Microsoft counterparts. Although Microsoft took a huge step over =
>Windows NT when it introduced RRAS with regards to controlling open =
>ports, routing, etc it still has a lot of proving itself to do.
>
>All this is coming from one of the first MCSE's... I was Microsoft =
>certified before the rage of becoming certified. Many companies out =
>there have tried to jump on the bandwagon offering classes that =
>basically allows you to memorize the questions... also, the tests are =
>exponentially easier then they were originally (the Windows 3.1 test was =
>probably one of the most difficult Microsoft has made... if you can =
>believe that!). I first became certified in 1994 so you can tell I'm =
>pretty much a Microsoft focused person. UNIX has always been a hobby of =
>mine and something I've always used for DNS, firewalls, network =
>troubleshooting, etc. In fact, I'm building a new Apache 2.0 webserver =
>in another window of my computer right now (and... my desktop computer =
>is running Windows XP... although it's behind my Cisco PIX firewall with =
>strict firewall security)! I'm also one of the few people that have =
>been successful in getting a Microsoft webserver to be very reliable =
>(maybe Brian Lafrance, my coworker, co-conspirator with Team Leaplab, =
>and our database programmer might disagree :-) ). FYI: The Microsoft =
>IIS server we run at the office has almost 500 websites hosted on it!!!!
>
>Mike
>Team Leaplab
>
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: Team Tierra Buena=20
> To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20
> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 6:08 PM
> Subject: [Az-Geocaching] The "Most Unsecure" OS
>
>
> According to this article, it's... well, let's just say there's a =
>penguin involved:
>
> http://www.wininformant.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=3D27428
>
> The real point being, nobody's safe these days.
>
> Steve
> Team Tierra Buena
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>This is why the Internet was pretty = much founded on=20 BSD based
>UNIX. Remember, LINUX isn't really UNIX, it's UNIX = like. =20 BSD based
>systems are tried and true and with other flavors of UNIX = still=20
>account for the majority of the Web servers on the Internet. = Yahoo! is
>run=20 on FreeBSD servers, Hotmail (yes Microsoft) runs on FreeBSD servers
>= (they're=20 slowly trying to change this... bad P.R., you know), Sony
>Japan runs on = FreeBSD,=20 Walnut Creek (the busiest FTP site in the
>world) runs on FreeBSD... just = to=20 through this in, I believe Google
>runs on LINUX. If my numbers are = still=20 correct, an Apache web server
>still (although just barely) has more = installs=20 then all the other web
>server combined (I believe it's around 50% of all = web=20 servers run
>UNIX based Apache). Also, in defense of LINUX and the = other=20 open
>source projects one thing you have to keep in mind is in mixed =
>environments=20 the UNIX system is usually the one that's outside the
>firewall or on DMZ = networks... it's pretty much out in the wind and
>therefore more prone to = direct=20 attacks. It is my opinion that UNIX
>is held to a higher standard = then it's=20 Microsoft
>counterparts. Although Microsoft took a huge step over = Windows=20 NT
>when it introduced RRAS with regards to controlling open ports, = routing,
>etc=20 it still has a lot of proving itself to do.
>
>All this is coming from one of the = first=20 MCSE's... I was Microsoft
>certified before the rage of becoming=20 certified. Many companies out
>there have tried to jump on the = bandwagon=20 offering classes that
>basically allows you to memorize the questions... = also,=20 the tests are
>exponentially easier then they were originally (the = Windows 3.1=20 test
>was probably one of the most difficult Microsoft has made... if you =
>can=20 believe that!). I first became certified in 1994 so you can tell =
>I'm=20 pretty much a Microsoft focused person. UNIX has always been a =
>hobby of=20 mine and something I've always used for DNS, firewalls,
>network = troubleshooting,=20 etc. In fact, I'm building a new Apache 2.0
>webserver in another = window of=20 my computer right now (and... my
>desktop computer is running Windows = XP...=20 although it's behind my
>Cisco PIX firewall with strict firewall=20 security)! I'm also one of the
>few people that have been = successful=20 in getting a Microsoft webserver
>to be very reliable (maybe Brian = Lafrance,=20 my coworker,
>co-conspirator with Team Leaplab, and our database = programmer=20 might
>disagree :-) ). FYI: The Microsoft IIS server we run = at the=20 office
>has almost 500 websites hosted on it!!!!
>
>Mike
>Team Leaplab
>
>----- Original Message -----
>Team Tierra Buena =
>To: az-geocaching@lis= tserv.azgeocaching.com=20
>Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 = 6:08=20 PM
>Subject: [Az-Geocaching] The = "Most=20 Unsecure" OS
>
>
>http://www.wininformant.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=3D27428
>
>The = real point=20 being, nobody's safe these days.
>
>Steve
>Team = Tierra=20 Buena
>
>
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>Message: 8
>Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:23:06 -0700
>From: Brian Cluff <brian@Snaptek.com>
>To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
>Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] For the gods first, then anyone else
>Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
>
>Regan Smith wrote:
>
> > What would happen if a cacher was to log more than 1 find on the same
> > cache?
>
>I believe the stats would count it, no problem. We had to leave it
>counting multiple finds because of caches that can move and literally be
>found more than once. Finding your own cache is what causes the stats
>to start subtracting. Although Jason has a legitimate find out our
>Fremont Saddle cache, because someone decided to play a joke on us and
>moved it from it's origional hiding place.
>I just wish the site could figure out easily the people that place a
>cache together and then the team that isn't the one that logged in to
>input the cache on the site claims a find on the cache. I've quite a
>few examples of that, and I still don't under stand how they can claim a
>"find" on something that was never "lost" to them. :)
>
>Brian Cluff
>Team Snaptek
>
>
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>
>Message: 9
>From: trisha@brasher.com
>To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
>Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] The "Most Unsecure" OS
>Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:48:38 -0800 (PST)
>Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
>
> ....huh?...
>
>
>On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, "Mike Ingoglia" wrote:
>
>
>Message
>
>
>
>
>
>This is why the Internet was pretty much founded on
>BSD based UNIX. Remember, LINUX isn't really UNIX, it's UNIX like.
>BSD based systems are tried and true and with other flavors of UNIX
>still
>account for the majority of the Web servers on the Internet. Yahoo!
>is run
>on FreeBSD servers, Hotmail (yes Microsoft) runs on FreeBSD servers
>(they're
>slowly trying to change this... bad P.R., you know), Sony Japan runs
>on FreeBSD,
>Walnut Creek (the busiest FTP site in the world) runs on FreeBSD...
>just to
>through this in, I believe Google runs on LINUX. If my numbers are
>still
>correct, an Apache web server still (although just barely) has more
>installs
>then all the other web server combined (I believe it's around 50% of
>all web
>servers run UNIX based Apache). Also, in defense of LINUX and the
>other
>open source projects one thing you have to keep in mind is in mixed
>environments
>the UNIX system is usually the one that's outside the firewall or on
>DMZ
>networks... it's pretty much out in the wind and therefore more prone
>to direct
>attacks. It is my opinion that UNIX is held to a higher standard then
>it's
>Microsoft counterparts. Although Microsoft took a huge step over
>Windows
>NT when it introduced RRAS with regards to controlling open ports,
>routing, etc
>it still has a lot of proving itself to do.
>
>All this is coming from one of the first
>MCSE's... I was Microsoft certified before the rage of becoming
>certified. Many companies out there have tried to jump on the
>bandwagon
>offering classes that basically allows you to memorize the
>questions... also,
>the tests are exponentially easier then they were originally (the
>Windows 3.1
>test was probably one of the most difficult Microsoft has made... if
>you can
>believe that!). I first became certified in 1994 so you can tell I'm
>pretty much a Microsoft focused person. UNIX has always been a hobby
>of
>mine and something I've always used for DNS, firewalls, network
>troubleshooting,
>etc. In fact, I'm building a new Apache 2.0 webserver in another
>window of
>my computer right now (and... my desktop computer is running Windows
>XP...
>although it's behind my Cisco PIX firewall with strict firewall
>security)! I'm also one of the few people that have been successful
>in getting a Microsoft webserver to be very reliable (maybe Brian
>Lafrance,
>my coworker, co-conspirator with Team Leaplab, and our database
>programmer
>might disagree :-) ). FYI: The Microsoft IIS server we run at the
>office has almost 500 websites hosted on it!!!!
>
>Mike
>Team Leaplab
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> Team Tierra Buena
> To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com
>
> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 6:08
> PM
> Subject: [Az-Geocaching] The "Most
> Unsecure" OS
>
> According to
> this article, it's... well, let's just say there's a penguin
> involved:
>
> http://www.wininformant.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=27428
>
> The real point
> being, nobody's safe these days.
>
> Steve
> Team Tierra
> Buena
>
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>"Although no one can go back and
>make a brand new start,
>Anyone can start from now and
>make a brand new ending."
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
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>
>Message: 10
>From: trisha@brasher.com
>To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
>Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] For the gods first, then anyone else
>Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:53:28 -0800 (PST)
>Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
>
>Regan
>I am not sure how you can do a true multi with only one cache page and
>people log multiple finds, I guess according to Brian that can be
>done, you would just have to monitor the page and logs carefully to be
>sure they are logging the correct number and location of your caches.
>I just put out a puzzle cache that is kinda a multi because you need
>to find a separate cache that contains a clue to the puzzle. I have a
>separate page for that cache. Is a multi-variant I suppose. Like
>everything else....it can vary!~
>have fun on your cache run, I'd go if I lived closer,
>Trisha "Lightning"
>Prescott
>
>
>On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, "Regan Smith" wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On the Stats:
>
>What would happen if a cacher was to log more than
>1 find on the same cache?
>
>Reason being I was pondering a true multi
>cache that has one set of coords but two or more different cache
>containers..with each container being a find..
>
>Then I was also pondering renting a vehicle that
>comes with unlimited miles and doing a day of caching, I currently
>have
>over (a large number) of caches on my to do list mostly in the areas
>of the San Tans along Apache Trail, the Lower Salt River, then a few
>of the
>caches located around Pagago Park,in Scottsdale etc... anyone
>interested in
>joining on like a Thursday????
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>"Although no one can go back and
>make a brand new start,
>Anyone can start from now and
>make a brand new ending."
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
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