[Az-Geocaching] Superstition Caches
Joe Brekke
listserv@azgeocaching.com
Tue, 21 Jan 2003 18:20:06 -0700
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From: Team Tierra Buena=20
To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:49 AM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Superstition Caches
That may not be a popular view, especially on the listserver, but I =
think it is the correct view. If I owned one of those caches, I'd be =
down in Mesa as fast as I could be, to retrieve the ammo can, hand =
deliver a personal letter of apology, and find out who to talk to about =
obtaining permission for a possible future placement. But I think trying =
to "push back" on those that were confiscated will do nothing except =
alienate us further in the eyes of those who make these decisions.
Geocaching doesn't have a lot of rules; it's time we started playing =
by the few we do have.
I'm going to go there tomorrow and retrieve our cache. Mind you I =
have no problem with what they did, they are perfectly within their =
right to do this. I doubt I'll take the time to print out a letter of =
apology, but I will talk to whoever is there, and apologize to them for =
not getting a permit and find out if I can get one, either now or in the =
future. I placed this almost a year ago, (at the time was blatantly =
ignorant on many of the issues) and really most of the discussion we =
have had about this was since the article in the Republic...it may not =
be a correct view, and in fact I'm willing to admit that it isn't but I =
kind of figured as long as no one was saying anything about it, this =
cache was being "Grandfathered" in, so to speak. =20
I wonder how many caches out there on Nat'l Forest Land, BLM land, =
etc., even the Goldwater area...were considered "Grandfathered" by the =
owners...in other words, it's already there, and no one has removed it, =
I don't need to do anything. =20
I'd be willing to bet that there are at least 400 caches in city parks =
in Arizona...which is public land, I doubt very many of those owners =
have gotten permission to place those as well - I have one in a city =
park and did not get permission. I'm not saying this is correct. I =
would also be willing to bet that out of 1133 active caches in Arizona, =
at least 80% of them don't have permission from the proper agency to =
have them there...a street light pole is public property, so are signs, =
benches, dog poop disposal units, garbage cans, electrical equipment, =
playground equipment, and trees in a public park, a light pole in a =
store parking lot is private property, so is a fence...I've found over =
300 caches, I could go on and on. Many caches are located at these =
sights, or they have permanent ink writting on them giving coordinates =
for the next leg of a multi-cache.
I'd say that held to the standard of obtain permission on all public =
or private property, most of us would have a lot of letters and work to =
do in the next few weeks.
Thanks,
Joe
TeamBlunder
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<A title=3Dteamtierrabuena@earthlink.net=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 21, 2003 =
10:49=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Az-Geocaching] =
Superstition=20
Caches</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D967325116-21012003><SPAN =
class=3D664314223-20012003><FONT=20
face=3D"Book Antiqua"></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D664314223-20012003><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua"=20
color=3D#0000ff>That may not be a popular view, especially on the =
listserver,=20
but I think it is the correct view. If I owned one of those caches, =
I'd be=20
down in Mesa as fast as I could be, to retrieve the ammo can, hand =
deliver a=20
personal letter of apology, and find out who to talk to about =
obtaining=20
permission for a possible future placement. But I think trying to =
"push back"=20
on those that were confiscated will do nothing except alienate us =
further in=20
the eyes of those who make these decisions.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D664314223-20012003><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua"=20
color=3D#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D664314223-20012003><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua"=20
color=3D#0000ff>Geocaching doesn't have a lot of rules; it's time we =
started=20
playing by the few we do have.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D664314223-20012003><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D664314223-20012003><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D664314223-20012003><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm =
going to go=20
there tomorrow and retrieve our cache. Mind you I have no =
problem with=20
what they did, they are perfectly within their right to do this. =
I doubt=20
I'll take the time to print out a letter of apology, but I will talk =
to=20
whoever is there, and apologize to them for not getting a permit and =
find out=20
if I can get one, either now or in the future. I placed this =
almost a=20
year ago, (at the time was blatantly ignorant on many of the issues) =
and=20
really most of the discussion we have had about this was since the =
article in=20
the Republic...it may not be a correct view, and in fact I'm willing =
to admit=20
that it isn't but I kind of figured as long as no one was saying =
anything=20
about it, this cache was being "Grandfathered" in, so to speak. =20
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D664314223-20012003><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D664314223-20012003><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I =
wonder how many=20
caches out there on Nat'l Forest Land, BLM land, etc., even the =
Goldwater=20
area...were considered "Grandfathered" by the owners...in other words, =
it's=20
already there, and no one has removed it, I don't need to do =
anything. =20
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D664314223-20012003><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D664314223-20012003><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'd =
be willing to=20
bet that there are at least 400 caches in city parks in =
Arizona...which=20
<STRONG>is</STRONG> public land, I doubt very many of those owners =
have gotten=20
permission to place those as well - I have one in a city park and did =
not get=20
permission. I'm not saying this is correct. I would =
also be=20
willing to bet that out of 1133 active caches in Arizona, at least 80% =
of them=20
don't have permission from the proper agency to have them there...a =
street=20
light pole is public property, so are signs, benches, dog =
poop disposal=20
units, garbage cans, electrical equipment, playground equipment, =
and=20
trees in a public park, a light pole in a store parking lot is =
private=20
property, so is a fence...I've found over 300 caches, I could go on =
and=20
on. Many caches are located at these sights, or they have =
permanent ink=20
writting on them giving coordinates for the next leg of a=20
multi-cache.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D664314223-20012003><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D664314223-20012003><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'd =
say that held=20
to the standard of obtain permission on all public or private =
property, most=20
of us would have a lot of letters and work to do in the next few=20
weeks.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D664314223-20012003><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D664314223-20012003><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Thanks,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D664314223-20012003><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D664314223-20012003><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Joe</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D664314223-20012003><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>TeamBlunder</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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