Thanks everyone for the input! Ya, little sports cars going down that back road...Hahahahaha!(Although my car did do Shcnebly Hill Rd before the racing suspension!!! Yes, insane!) So its no longer a free trip if you are going non-stop to the top? Thanks! Team desertSol Chelby & Kevin + Kiva and Lancer (German Shepherds) Apache Junction, AZ www.desertsol.com/~chelby/geocaching