[Az-Geocaching] RE: grrrrrrrrr more mis information from the site stewards

[Bob Renner]

Steve,

ROTFLMAO about your suggested new organization
"Geocachers Against Stewards Badmouthing All
Geocachers" (GASBAG).  I'll join.  

Bob


--- Team Tierra Buena <teamtierrabuena@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> I am NOT trying to defend this woman, but she does
> say "as of September
> 5", which was three weeks before the meeting. It's
> probably true that
> there hadn't been any caches pulled at that time.
>  
> But I'd love to know how many members of SAGAS there
> are.
>  
> Maybe we could form Geocachers Against Stewards
> Badmouthing All
> Geocachers.
>  
> Steve
> Team Tierra Buena
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com
>
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]
> On Behalf Of
> WOLFB8
> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 8:26 PM
> To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] RE: grrrrrrrrr more mis
> information from
> the site stewards
> 
> 
> oooppppssss there a few errors from the scan and
> being her phone number
> did not scan correctly so here is the number  
> (928)684-1670...just
> incase some knows how to fix a fence post the number
> 2 major issue in
> her area
> We will be known by the tracks we leave behind
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: WOLFB8 <mailto:Wolfb8@cox.net>  
> To: listserv@azgeocaching.com 
> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 8:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] RE: grrrrrrrrr more mis
> information from
> the site stewards
> 
> This is the second article that ken found
> ....scanned in
> 
> Hassayampa Region
> 
> Submitted by
> 
> Shelley Rasmussen, Regional Coordinator
> 
> We seem to be gradually working toward settling the
> issue of geacaching
> that h05 impacted several archaeclogical sites in
> the area. There has
> been communication with the geo-cachers, who have
> told us that they
> would move their yea- caches away from the sites and
> take the
> coordinates off the internet. As of September 5, no
> one has removed the
> geo-caches in question. Perhaps by the time this
> newsletter is out, we
> 
> will hove more[6 success. A~- long vs the
> archaeological sites are on
> their website, anyone (including looters) hove free
> access to the
> location of these sites. I would like to thank the
> Stewards Against
> Geo-caching Archaeological Sites (SAGAS) who hove
> helped so much, us
> well as those from other regions who hove
> volunteered their time and
> effort - some hove helped who are not even Site
> Stewards. This has been
> a group effort and I hope to be able to say at some
> point that it will
> be a success story
> 
> 
> 
> There is another important issue with which this
> region is dealing. Two
> historic cemeteries hove each had a corner post fail
> down and some of
> the barbed wire fencing is laying on the ground. Is
> there anyone with
> some knowledge of fence repair who can help to fix
> these fences? If so,
> please contact me at (928) 684~~67O.
> 
> We will be known by the tracks we leave behind
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Ken <mailto:kenh199@cox.net>  
> To: listserv@azgeocaching.com 
> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 7:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] RE: grrrrrrrrr more mis
> information from
> the site stewards
> 
>     I agree it is nice to see that there are
> rational minds among the
> Site Stewards. I think the most disturbing comment
> that Shelly Rasmussen
> made in the November issue of the Site Stewards
> newsletter is contained
> on page 8 & 9. In this section of the newsletter
> Shelly apparently has
> formed her own little anti geocaching group that she
> calls "Stewards
> Against Geocaching Archaeological Sites" (SAGAS).
> Her comments and
> extremely narrow views regarding our hobby appear to
> be deliberate acts
> to try and tear down the positive efforts that have
> been made to resolve
> conflicts. I think she is a very poor representative
> for a program that
> has very honorable intentions and I do not
> understand her blatant hatred
> of our hobby. She states in her column that no
> geocaches have been
> removed which is not true. Shortly after the meeting
> with the land
> managers I archived two of my caches that were near
> archaeological sites
> . Shelly fails to mention this fact in the
> newsletter. 
>  
> Ken
> WhereRWee? 
>  
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> 
> From: Team Tierra Buena
> <mailto:teamtierrabuena@earthlink.net>  
> To: listserv@azgeocaching.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:06 PM
> Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] RE: grrrrrrrrr more mis
> information from
> the site stewards
> 
> Jill,
>  
> Permit me to add my thanks for your post. It is
> comforting to know that
> we are not the objects of universal hostility among
> the Site Stewards.
>  
> Steve
> Team Tierra Buena
>  
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com
>
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]
> On Behalf Of Jill
> McCormick
> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 5:06 PM
> To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com
> Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: grrrrrrrrr more mis
> information from the
> site stewards
> 
> 
> 
> I just wanted to put in my two cents on this issue. 
> I have been reading
> the messages regarding the article in the AZ Watch
> written by Shelly
> Rasmussen.  I am a site steward and would like to
> say that she does not
> represent all site stewards, in fact, I think most
> site stewards
> disagree with her views. I do not geocache myself,
> but hope to in the
> near future.  I am the regional coordinator for the
> Yuma Region and have
> an avid geocacher in my group.  I also have a few
> sites with caches near
> them, but I have never had any trouble with
> vandalism at these sites.
> As a site steward our job is to monitor and carry
> out the wishes of the
> land managers, not be the police, judge, and jury
> regarding geocaching.
> As I understood it from speaking with Mary Estes,
> you had a productive
> meeting on September 27th, and had high hopes for
> future cooperation. I
> also understand that many landmanagers have no
> problem with geocaching,
> nor do they have policies against it.  Please do not
> allow Ms.
> Rasmussen's comments to undo the good that has been
> done.  I plan to
> speak to Mary Estes myself and ask her to no longer
> allow Ms. Rasmussen
> to publicly speak as if she was speaking for all
> site stewards.
> Hopefully this will put an end to this issue.  Keep
> up the good work.
>  
> Sincerely,
> Jill McCormick 
> Regional Coordinator Yuma-Quartzsite
> 
> 


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