[Az-Geocaching] RE: Az-Geocaching digest, Vol 1 #611 - 2 msgs
Brian Cluff
listserv@azgeocaching.com
28 Aug 2002 17:34:29 -0700
I asked that exact question, and offered to write a system that would
e-mail someone the moment a cache was placed near a site and was told
that he was all for that, but that the information was illegal for him
to pass on, so what I was told was that we should not place a cache near
a site that has obvious archeology stuff on it, but if we happen to put
a cache in the middle of nowhere and it also happens to be an archeology
site, the cache will be comfiscated and the owner can pick it up at the
address (or coordinates... very cool!) listed on the paper that will be
left behind. They should also be notified. If the cache is just near a
site, and there doesn't seem to be any problems caused by the cachers,
they would probably just leave the cache there, because it's more
important that the site stays secret that it is to get rid of nearby
cachers that aren't causing any harm.
Brian Cluff
Team Snaptek
On Tue, 2002-08-27 at 10:06, Brent Milner wrote:
> Brian,
>
> What happens when a cache is placed near an archaelogical site, yet the
> cache owner doesn't even know it's an archaelogical site? I was surprised to
> learn that there are thousands and thousands of "secret" sites in Arizona.
> It seems that eventually, we're going to stumble on one without knowing it.
> What happens then?
>
> -FroBro Q-Tip
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Cluff
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> Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] RE: Az-Geocaching digest, Vol 1 #611 - 2
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>
> We descovered about a week ago from a message posted to the list by Rand
> Hubbell that the message that the republic printed to the world and Mr.
> Hubbell's attitude towards geocaching is quite a bit different.
>
> I still have to take him up on his lunch offer so that I can get some
> exact details, but so far what I have gathered is that everyone seems to
> like geocaching, but they would like us not to place caches on
> archeology sites. Placeing a cache on a archeology site is also against
> the rules on geocaching.com Their main reasoning is that the sites can
> have artifacts on or just underneath the ground that you might not even
> notice or know about but the foot traffic in the area can pulverize them
> so that when someone can and does get around to the site, important
> parts of history can be ground into powder.
> I tend to agree with their reasoning and would suggest that people
> remove or move to a safe distance all caches on archeology sites... even
> the virtual ones since they still show up on their radar and they don't
> solve the problem of eliminating traffic from these small areas. We
> should at least move the cache to a safe distance away and then inside
> the cache put coordinates to the site so that it doesn't show up on
> their radar and we get the blame for a kegger held on the site.
> I hope to see if there are any sites that they aren't worried about
> stuff underfoot that we could place caches at.
>
> Brian Cluff
> Team Snaptek
>
> On Mon, 2002-08-26 at 20:09, Patricia A. Fox wrote:
> > People like Mr. Hubbell seem to forget the meaning of terms like "Public
> > Lands." Or how about "National Forests," "Federal Lands" is another good
> > one. Perhaps I'm mistaken but this country was founded on the premise
> that
> > the power of the "government" was to be in the hands of the people. That
> > is, that we the people are the Federal Government and the lands are ours.
> > The bureaucrats mistakenly believe that they make the rules! (Just as an
> > aside, the vast majority of archeological discoveries of the last two
> > centuries were made by or funded by "amateurs," not archeologists.)
> >
> > Foxslair.
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> > 1. Re: [[Az-Geocaching] Republic's Follow-Up] (Mark Heitowit)
> > 2. RE: [[Az-Geocaching] Republic's Follow-Up] (Team Tierra Buena)
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:27:32 -0700
> > From: Mark Heitowit <mheitowit@usa.net>
> > To: <listserv@azgeocaching.com>
> > Subject: Re: [[Az-Geocaching] Republic's Follow-Up]
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> >
> > This cartoon, which appeared in the Republic on Saturday, says it all.
> >
> > http://www.uclick.com/client/azc/nq/2002/08/24/index.html
> >
> > "Team Tierra Buena" <teamtierrabuena@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > The "Republic" has finally published a follow-up story, on Page One...
> > > of the "Local" section. Still talking about the "...18 known caches on
> > > or near archaeological sites..." without mentioning that many of them
> > > are virtual caches.
> > >
> > > But it's a step in the right direction. Mr. Hubbell talks about adopting
> > > rules and obtaining permission, both of which I favor. I just hope that
> > > when people seek permission that it will be granted from time to time,
> > > unlike the experience I had with another parks agency and which I have
> > > mentioned in an earlier posting. I'm also concerned about the county's
> > > request that caches be placed within three feet of trails. Isn't there
> > > some way that hiders and the park staff could jointly monitor the impact
> > > of placing a cache in a particular location, rather than coming up with
> > > an arbitrary restriction? With permissions (permits? Fine, IMO) being
> > > granted, that shouldn't be difficult.
> > >
> > > Finally, I note the "Republic's" new feature, the Unintentional Irony
> > > Department: In the same edition, on Page One of the "Living" section,
> > > there is an article about lightweight backpacks. In that article,
> > > there's a quote from a guy who is described as, "...an avid hiker who
> > > enjoys exploring off-trail routes in the Grand Canyon."
> > >
> > > Steve
> > > Team Tierra Buena
> > > "...attracting adventure-seekers but creating panic among
> > > authorities..."
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> > From: "Team Tierra Buena" <teamtierrabuena@earthlink.net>
> > To: <listserv@azgeocaching.com>
> > Subject: RE: [[Az-Geocaching] Republic's Follow-Up]
> > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:38:17 -0700
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> > > Behalf Of Mark Heitowit
> > > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 11:28 AM
> > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> > > Subject: Re: [[Az-Geocaching] Republic's Follow-Up]
> > >
> > >
> > > This cartoon, which appeared in the Republic on Saturday, says it all.
> >
> > How on earth did I miss that one? Thanks, Mark!
> >
> > Steve
> > Team Tierra Buena
> > "...attracting adventure-seekers but creating panic among
> > authorities..."
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