[Az-Geocaching] It's not as bad as we have been told

[Ken]

I have a question about the land permits? How does one supposed to know if
they are on State trust land if it is not posted? I know around the Phoenix
area there are several sites that are clearly marked with signs and fencing
that clearly define the property as State trust land. When riding out to
plant "A Sign From the Past III"  I saw no such signs prohibiting entry, or
any other indication that the land around Lake Pleasant is trust land.

In order to be charged with trespassing the following critera must be met:

13-1502. Criminal trespass in the third degree; classification
A. A person commits criminal trespass in the third degree by:

1. Knowingly entering or remaining unlawfully on any real property after a
reasonable request to leave by the owner or any other person having lawful
control over such property, or reasonable notice prohibiting entry.

Now that I have reason to know that this area is State trust land I guess I
will have to go get my permit before I can go back to check the site. I know
that this has been posted before but could someone tell me where to go to
get the permit or if it can be done by mail? Hopefully the only place won't
be in downtown Phoenix. As a gesture of good faith maby it could be posted
on the website along with the other geocaching resources.

Brian could you send me Brads phone number so I could make arraingments to
pick up the cache?

Thanks,

WhereRWee?

Ken



----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Cluff" <brian@snaptek.com>
To: <listserv@azgeocaching.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 2:40 PM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] It's not as bad as we have been told


> I just got off the from with a guy named Brad that is affiliated with
> the State trust land managment.  He is currently in possession of the
> "Sign from the past III" cache that was taken.
> The conversation that we had was very positive and he really likes the
> idea of geocaching and actually wants to promote it, to the point that
> he wished that he could donate money to geocaching.
> The only thing that he asks is that everyone gets a permit before
> entering the last (which we should already know) that they we don't put
> caches on archeology sites.  If caches are put on any archeolory site
> they will be confiscated and the owner will have a month to pick it up.
> He personally isn't pointing a finger at geocaching for any damage to
> the above site, since he doesn't know for sure that we did or would do
> any damage to any site.... (very cool!)
> For caches that might be put on an archeology site that we don't even
> know that it's an archeology site they will check things out and if it's
> just near a site and we aren't causeing any damage they will probably
> just leave it there, since it could be better to keep the site a secret
> than to let us know it exists by taking the cache.
> All in all, it sounds like the news paper blew things waaaaaay out of
> proportion and gave us a bad name in doing so.
>
> Anyway, I just wanted to let people know of the situation in reality.
> Plus he asked me to pass on their rules that they would like us to
> observe... so pretty much what it amounts to is caches as usual minus a
> couple of caches that point out some history, but all in all good news.
>
> Brian Cluff
> Team Snaptek
>
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