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From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 1 01:09:19 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 18:09:19 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] OFF-TOPIC: For Webmeisters and Webmeister Wannabes Message-ID: <001501c238f8$168bc9e0$026fa8c0@OUR> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C238BD.6A2CF1E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Any of you who have ever published (or tried to publish) a web site should appreciate the following: http://www.millan.net/funp/40/homepage.html (Note to "Wyle E": the music on this page may sound familiar, but we had nothing to do with it.) On a somewhat more serious note, this free Web-based service may be useful for anyone dealing with long hyperlinks on Web pages: http://tinyurl.com/. Steve Team Tierra Buena ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C238BD.6A2CF1E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

Any of = you who=20 have ever published (or tried to publish) a web site should appreciate = the=20 following:

http://www.millan.ne= t/funp/40/homepage.html (Note to "Wyle E": the music on this page = may sound=20 familiar, but we had nothing to do with it.)

On a = somewhat more=20 serious note, this free Web-based service may be useful for anyone = dealing with=20 long hyperlinks on Web pages: http://tinyurl.com/.

Steve

Team = Tierra=20 Buena

------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C238BD.6A2CF1E0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 1 01:26:54 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Eric Quinn) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 18:26:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] OFF-TOPIC: For Webmeisters and Webmeister Wannabes In-Reply-To: <001501c238f8$168bc9e0$026fa8c0@OUR> Message-ID: <20020801012654.30792.qmail@web13107.mail.yahoo.com> --- Team Tierra Buena wrote: > On a somewhat more serious note, this free > Web-based service may be useful for anyone > dealing with long hyperlinks on Web pages: > http://tinyurl.com/. > > Steve > Team Tierra Buena Cool idea, there's only one problem: Creation of new TinyURLs have been temporarily disabled. Due to the abuse of this service being used for spamming, we have to temporarily disable this service until all these issues have been resolved. We expect to be back online around August 6, 2002. We appoligize for the inconvienence. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 1 01:38:50 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 18:38:50 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] OFF-TOPIC: For Webmeisters and Webmeister Wannabes In-Reply-To: <20020801012654.30792.qmail@web13107.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002201c238fc$3078c390$026fa8c0@OUR> You know, you go away for a couple of lousy days... I had had some privacy concerns, which were addressed in an email exchange I had with the site author. I thought it had all been taken care of. Then I put it aside until we got back from our Tucson run. Now this... And they don't even have the courtesy to put it on their home page. Oh, well, tune in after August 6, I guess. Sorry. Steve Team Tierra Buena > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On > Behalf Of Eric Quinn > Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 6:27 PM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] OFF-TOPIC: For Webmeisters and > Webmeister Wannabes > > > > --- Team Tierra Buena > wrote: > > > On a somewhat more serious note, this free > > Web-based service may be useful for anyone > > dealing with long hyperlinks on Web pages: > > http://tinyurl.com/. > > > > Steve > > Team Tierra Buena > > Cool idea, there's only one problem: > > Creation of new TinyURLs have been temporarily > disabled. > Due to the abuse of this service being used for > spamming, we have to temporarily disable this service > until all these issues have been resolved. We expect > to be back online around August 6, 2002. > > We appoligize for the inconvienence. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > http://health.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocachin g Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 1 07:16:34 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Monika) Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 00:16:34 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] GPS: problem locking on enough satellites and more Message-ID: Hello, I am new to this list as well as to GPS. My question is a little off topic, but hopefully I can get some pointers from you anyway. I just got my hands on Magellan's GPS 4000, which is an older model, but it does have a set of nice navigational capabilities, which I wanted to use during my upcoming trip. These capabilities require however a minimum speed (at which the receiver must travel) and thus are ideal for car travel. Unfortunately car roof obscures view of the sky and over 95% of time the receiver cannot get a lock on enough satellites. (Placing it on a dashboard did not help). Do you know of a way to get around this problem? I also wanted to get a few positions from a map before I leave. I have found this web page: http://www.juggling.org/bin/un.cgi/map-find which gives latitude and longitude of given location, but it does not give altitude. I was also told that such sites provide usually poor accuracy. Do you know where I could access good quality on-line maps with latitude, longitude and altitude? If not, then do you know of a bookstore or another place in Phoenix area, which would carry good quality cartographic materials (which are not terribly expensive)? thanks, Monika From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 1 13:14:55 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 06:14:55 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] GPS: problem locking on enough satellites and more In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000a01c2395d$6e116250$026fa8c0@OUR> Welcome, Monika! You'll likely get several responses here, most of which will be more helpful than this one, but as I'm the early bird here today, I can give you a couple of things to get started until the folks who really know what they're talking about show up. > Unfortunately car roof obscures view of the sky and over 95% > of time the receiver cannot get a lock on enough satellites. > (Placing it on a dashboard did not help). Do you know of a > way to get around this problem? I don't know the Magellan 4000, but the resource I checked states that it has a receptacle for connecting an external antenna. These connectors are usually one of a few standard types, so it should be possible still to get an antenna that will work with your 4000. They can be obtained with magnetic bases, so you can put the antenna on the roof of your car, and run the cable through the window to your GPSr. This solution, of course, costs money. > Do you know where I > could access good quality on-line maps with latitude, > longitude and altitude? Your best bet is probably TopoZone (www.topozone.com). Just be aware that those maps use the NAD-27 datum, and your GPSr is probably set up to default to the WGS-84 datum. Most GPSr units offer the ability to convert between datums, and the difference between the two can be significant. > If not, then do you know of a > bookstore or another place in Phoenix area, which would carry > good quality cartographic materials (which are not terribly > expensive)? Don't know about expensive, but the most complete resource IMO is Wide World of Maps (http://www.maps4u.com/). They have two stores in the Valley, one on Indian School near I-17 and one near Fiesta Mall in Mesa. Steve Team Tierra Buena From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 1 13:40:50 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gordon L. Flatt) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 06:40:50 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] GPS: problem locking on enough satellites and more In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello Monika, Welcome to geocaching :-) Steve pretty much answered all your questions, but I just wanted to suggest another option for maps. I recently purchase "Topo USA" version 4.0 by DeLORME. I have it loaded on both my laptop and my home desktop computer. Wherever you have the cursor pointed on the map, it gives you both Lat/Long and altitude instantly in a readout next to the map. With a datalink cable hooked up from my Magellan 315 GPS to my laptop, it shows my location on the map as I travel. I just took a trip from Mesa to Los Angeles (Six Flags) and hit several caches. I really liked being able to look at the map on my laptop and seeing exactly where I was and where I needed to go. Topo USA cost me $90.00 at Staples. Just my two bits worth. Gordon Team Coyote1022 -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Monika Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:17 AM To: Az-Geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] GPS: problem locking on enough satellites and more Hello, I am new to this list as well as to GPS. My question is a little off topic, but hopefully I can get some pointers from you anyway. I just got my hands on Magellan's GPS 4000, which is an older model, but it does have a set of nice navigational capabilities, which I wanted to use during my upcoming trip. These capabilities require however a minimum speed (at which the receiver must travel) and thus are ideal for car travel. Unfortunately car roof obscures view of the sky and over 95% of time the receiver cannot get a lock on enough satellites. (Placing it on a dashboard did not help). Do you know of a way to get around this problem? I also wanted to get a few positions from a map before I leave. I have found this web page: http://www.juggling.org/bin/un.cgi/map-find which gives latitude and longitude of given location, but it does not give altitude. I was also told that such sites provide usually poor accuracy. Do you know where I could access good quality on-line maps with latitude, longitude and altitude? If not, then do you know of a bookstore or another place in Phoenix area, which would carry good quality cartographic materials (which are not terribly expensive)? thanks, Monika _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 1 14:04:36 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bill) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 07:04:36 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] GPS: problem locking on enough satellites and more References: Message-ID: <005101c23964$664b7810$319c4094@BILLPC> I just bought a book from Coleman called the Arizona Atlas and Gazetteer. It was $11 at Costco. It has a lot of info on public lands, parks, etc., and 1:250,000 topos of the whole state with GPS tic marks on the edge. I haven't checked the accuracy yet, and much larger scale maps are available, but this looks handy to carry and didn't cost much. Perhaps someone with more experience with it can comment on the accuracy. Bill, team Freeholder ----- Original Message ----- From: "Monika" > I also wanted to get a few positions from a map before I leave. > I have found this web page: > http://www.juggling.org/bin/un.cgi/map-find > which gives latitude and longitude of given location, but it does not give > altitude. I was also told that such sites provide usually poor accuracy. > Do you know where I could access good quality on-line maps with latitude, > longitude and altitude? If not, then do you know of a bookstore or another > place in Phoenix area, which would carry good quality cartographic materials > (which are not terribly expensive)? From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 1 15:19:44 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:19:44 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] GPS: problem locking on enough satellites and more Message-ID: <20020801151944.CXWF28706.fed1mtao03.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Monica, Some cars actually have a very thin wire mesh in the front windshield. This mesh is part of the design of the safety glass that helps keep the windshield intact so it does not shatter in sharp jagged edges in a collision. If your car is one of these you will find it very difficult to impossible to get a lock from the dash. If it is posible try moving the GPS near a side window which do not have the wire mesh. WhereRwee? Ken > These capabilities require however a minimum speed (at which the > receiver must travel) and thus are ideal for car travel. Unfortunately car > roof obscures view of the sky and over 95% of time the receiver cannot get a > lock on enough satellites. (Placing it on a dashboard did not help). From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 1 15:19:44 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:19:44 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] GPS: problem locking on enough satellites and more Message-ID: <20020801151944.CXWF28706.fed1mtao03.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Monica, Some cars actually have a very thin wire mesh in the front windshield. This mesh is part of the design of the safety glass that helps keep the windshield intact so it does not shatter in sharp jagged edges in a collision. If your car is one of these you will find it very difficult to impossible to get a lock from the dash. If it is posible try moving the GPS near a side window which do not have the wire mesh. WhereRwee? Ken > These capabilities require however a minimum speed (at which the > receiver must travel) and thus are ideal for car travel. Unfortunately car > roof obscures view of the sky and over 95% of time the receiver cannot get a > lock on enough satellites. (Placing it on a dashboard did not help). From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 1 16:01:03 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Fleg .) Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 10:01:03 -0600 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] GPS: problem locking on enough satellites and more Message-ID: My offer to everyone still stands, I can get you a $30 discount if you order it online from Delorme....just let me know and I'll give you the code. Michael Team TJ ----Original Message Follows---- Hello Monika, Welcome to geocaching :-) Steve pretty much answered all your questions, but I just wanted to suggest another option for maps. I recently purchase "Topo USA" version 4.0 by DeLORME. I have it loaded on both my laptop and my home desktop computer. Wherever you have the cursor pointed on the map, it gives you both Lat/Long and altitude instantly in a readout next to the map. With a datalink cable hooked up from my Magellan 315 GPS to my laptop, it shows my location on the map as I travel. I just took a trip from Mesa to Los Angeles (Six Flags) and hit several caches. I really liked being able to look at the map on my laptop and seeing exactly where I was and where I needed to go. Topo USA cost me $90.00 at Staples. Just my two bits worth. Gordon Team Coyote1022 -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Monika Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:17 AM To: Az-Geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] GPS: problem locking on enough satellites and more Hello, I am new to this list as well as to GPS. My question is a little off topic, but hopefully I can get some pointers from you anyway. I just got my hands on Magellan's GPS 4000, which is an older model, but it does have a set of nice navigational capabilities, which I wanted to use during my upcoming trip. These capabilities require however a minimum speed (at which the receiver must travel) and thus are ideal for car travel. Unfortunately car roof obscures view of the sky and over 95% of time the receiver cannot get a lock on enough satellites. (Placing it on a dashboard did not help). Do you know of a way to get around this problem? I also wanted to get a few positions from a map before I leave. I have found this web page: http://www.juggling.org/bin/un.cgi/map-find which gives latitude and longitude of given location, but it does not give altitude. I was also told that such sites provide usually poor accuracy. Do you know where I could access good quality on-line maps with latitude, longitude and altitude? If not, then do you know of a bookstore or another place in Phoenix area, which would carry good quality cartographic materials (which are not terribly expensive)? thanks, Monika _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 1 16:25:03 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Farquhar, Larry) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:25:03 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Azgeocaching.com activity messed up Message-ID: <5EDEA14A2792394EA7D482E702C4C6DB02253EE6@ipnismtp1.ipni.com> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C23977.FD4D7AC0 Content-Type: text/plain Don't know if Snaptek is aware - but the cache activity is messed up at www.azgeocaching.com . It's showing some activity for Utah, California, New York,... instead of Arizona's. Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01C23977.FD4D7AC0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Azgeocaching.com activity messed up

Don't know if Snaptek is aware - but = the cache activity is messed up at www.azgeocaching.com. It's showing some activity for Utah, California, New = York,... instead of Arizona's.

Larry Farquhar
Team "Wyle E"
www.happy-wanderers.com

------_=_NextPart_001_01C23977.FD4D7AC0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 1 17:06:19 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Monika) Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 10:06:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] GPS: problem locking on enough satellites and more In-Reply-To: <000a01c2395d$6e116250$026fa8c0@OUR> Message-ID: I wanted to than everyone for such a prompt and helpful response. I tired moving the reciever closer to the side window in the car, but it was to no avail (nor was actually sticking my hand outside the window (not smart)). I think that antenna seems to be the only solution. I will probably settle for paper maps, since I don't have a handy laptop. I will defenitely check the Costco and the store in Fiesta Mall. I looked up the choice of datum sets in GPS4000 and it does have NAD27 as a choice. thanks again, Monika On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Team Tierra Buena wrote: > Welcome, Monika! You'll likely get several responses here, most of which > will be more helpful than this one, but as I'm the early bird here > today, I can give you a couple of things to get started until the folks > who really know what they're talking about show up. > > > Unfortunately car roof obscures view of the sky and over 95% > > of time the receiver cannot get a lock on enough satellites. > > (Placing it on a dashboard did not help). Do you know of a > > way to get around this problem? > > I don't know the Magellan 4000, but the resource I checked states that > it has a receptacle for connecting an external antenna. These connectors > are usually one of a few standard types, so it should be possible still > to get an antenna that will work with your 4000. They can be obtained > with magnetic bases, so you can put the antenna on the roof of your car, > and run the cable through the window to your GPSr. This solution, of > course, costs money. > > > Do you know where I > > could access good quality on-line maps with latitude, > > longitude and altitude? > > Your best bet is probably TopoZone (www.topozone.com). Just be aware > that those maps use the NAD-27 datum, and your GPSr is probably set up > to default to the WGS-84 datum. Most GPSr units offer the ability to > convert between datums, and the difference between the two can be > significant. > > > If not, then do you know of a > > bookstore or another place in Phoenix area, which would carry > > good quality cartographic materials (which are not terribly > > expensive)? > > Don't know about expensive, but the most complete resource IMO is Wide > World of Maps (http://www.maps4u.com/). They have two stores in the > Valley, one on Indian School near I-17 and one near Fiesta Mall in Mesa. > > Steve > Team Tierra Buena > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 1 18:27:56 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jim Stamm) Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 11:27:56 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] GPS: problem locking on enough satellites and more Message-ID: <0H0600M0HGMDTS@mtaout05.icomcast.net> Bill wrote on 8/1/02 7:04 AM : >....Arizona Atlas and Gazetteer..........Perhaps someone >with more experience with it can comment on the accuracy. > This edition is a big improvement over the previous editions. Many roads that don't exist (and I think some NEVER existed) were shown in the old atlases, and some that do exist weren't shown. The first thing I looked at when picking up a new edition, is whether the "road situation" had improved. It has with the latest. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 1 23:31:14 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: 01 Aug 2002 16:31:14 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Azgeocaching.com activity messed up In-Reply-To: <5EDEA14A2792394EA7D482E702C4C6DB02253EE6@ipnismtp1.ipni.com> References: <5EDEA14A2792394EA7D482E702C4C6DB02253EE6@ipnismtp1.ipni.com> Message-ID: <1028244675.3205.1.camel@fone.snaptek.com> Oops... forgot to let y'all know that we got it fixed, and no we weren't aware of it. Thanks for the heads up, Brian Cluff Team Snaptek On Thu, 2002-08-01 at 09:25, Farquhar, Larry wrote: > Don't know if Snaptek is aware - but the cache activity is messed up at > www.azgeocaching.com . It's showing some activity for > Utah, California, New York,... instead of Arizona's. > > Larry Farquhar > Team "Wyle E" > www.happy-wanderers.com > > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 2 18:20:28 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 11:20:28 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Catalina State Park Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020802111614.00a85da0@mail.myblueheaven.com> I just heard on the radio that Catalina State Park will re-open next week, and the other closed parks should be open by Labor Day. Seems that the legislature "found" a little extra money for the parks. They are also saying that the entrance fees will be increased to make up the difference. Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 2 18:54:13 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bill) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 11:54:13 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Catalina State Park References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020802111614.00a85da0@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: <00b401c23a56$07997090$319c4094@BILLPC> I just read this statement on the AZ State Parks site, http://www.pr.state.az.us/ "Beginning August 9th, seven parks that have been closed since the beginning of July will re-open. These parks are Catalina, Lost Dutchman, McFarland, Oracle, Picacho Peak, Roper Lake, and Tubac Presidio. Check back for more details." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Wood" > I just heard on the radio that Catalina State Park will re-open next week, > and the other closed parks should be open by Labor Day. Seems that the > legislature "found" a little extra money for the parks. They are also > saying that the entrance fees will be increased to make up the difference. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 2 20:03:30 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Eric Quinn) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:03:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Catalina State Park In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020802111614.00a85da0@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: <20020802200330.86803.qmail@web13114.mail.yahoo.com> --- Scott Wood wrote: > They are also saying that the entrance fees > will be increased to make up the difference. > > Scott > Team My Blue Heaven > www.myblueheaven.com/geocache > Looks like another bear suit is needed. Eric TD __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 2 20:38:54 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 13:38:54 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Catalina State Park In-Reply-To: <20020802200330.86803.qmail@web13114.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020802111614.00a85da0@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020802133819.00a86a30@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 01:03 PM 8/2/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Looks like another bear suit is needed. You might be right. I hope that there are some up there that are enjoying the poster. Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 2 20:50:43 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:50:43 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Benchmark Finds Counted Message-ID: <000001c23a66$45ba07d0$026fa8c0@OUR> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C23A2B.995B2FD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Somewhere between our discussion last week on locationless caches, benchmarks, and find counts, and a day or two ago, geocaching.com snuck benchmark find counts into the user profiles. Maybe Jeremy reads our listserver in his spare time... Steve Team Tierra Buena ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C23A2B.995B2FD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

Somewhere between=20 our discussion last week on locationless caches, benchmarks, and find = counts,=20 and a day or two ago, geocaching.com snuck benchmark find counts into = the user=20 profiles. Maybe Jeremy reads our listserver in his spare time...

Steve
Team Tierra=20 Buena

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C23A2B.995B2FD0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 2 20:54:21 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:54:21 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Catalina State Park In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020802133819.00a86a30@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: <000501c23a66$c78f55d0$026fa8c0@OUR> > > >Looks like another bear suit is needed. > > You might be right. I hope that there are some up there that > are enjoying > the poster. We did enjoy it, Scott, thanks. We're going to get an inexpensive frame for it, once we figure out where in the house to put it. But if you do drag the bear suit out again, consider that maybe the photo would generate more sympathy for the guy if he was driving something other than a Corvette. Steve Team Tierra Buena From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 2 21:04:00 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jim Scotti) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:04:00 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Benchmark Finds Counted In-Reply-To: <000001c23a66$45ba07d0$026fa8c0@OUR> Message-ID: Hey I noticed that too, but wasn't sure when it was added. I noticed that benchmark finds are now placed at the bottom of "My Cache Page" and that they started truncating the list at the 10 most recent cache logs or last 10 days whichever is longest. Always great to see those kinds of changes, either at geocaching.com or azgeocaching.com. Somehow I suspect Jeremy has about as much spare time as my GPS has spare room for extra waypoints.... Jim. On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, Team Tierra Buena wrote: > Somewhere between our discussion last week on locationless caches, > benchmarks, and find counts, and a day or two ago, geocaching.com snuck > benchmark find counts into the user profiles. Maybe Jeremy reads our > listserver in his spare time... > > Steve > Team Tierra Buena > > Jim Scotti Lunar & Planetary Laboratory jscotti@pirl.lpl.arizona.edu University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 USA http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 2 21:04:55 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jim Scotti) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:04:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Catalina State Park In-Reply-To: <000501c23a66$c78f55d0$026fa8c0@OUR> Message-ID: I feel like I'm missing out on something since I haven't seen this poster. I don't suppose a picture of it is hidden on Scott's webpage, is it? Jim. On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, Team Tierra Buena wrote: > > > > >Looks like another bear suit is needed. > > > > You might be right. I hope that there are some up there that > > are enjoying > > the poster. > > We did enjoy it, Scott, thanks. We're going to get an inexpensive frame > for it, once we figure out where in the house to put it. But if you do > drag the bear suit out again, consider that maybe the photo would > generate more sympathy for the guy if he was driving something other > than a Corvette. > > Steve > Team Tierra Buena > > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > Jim Scotti Lunar & Planetary Laboratory jscotti@pirl.lpl.arizona.edu University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 USA http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 2 21:08:27 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 14:08:27 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Catalina State Park In-Reply-To: <000501c23a66$c78f55d0$026fa8c0@OUR> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020802133819.00a86a30@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020802140540.00a890d0@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 01:54 PM 8/2/2002 -0700, you wrote: >drag the bear suit out again, consider that maybe the photo would >generate more sympathy for the guy if he was driving something other >than a Corvette. At the time we did that picture, it was the only car that we had access to that was open top. We needed something that the driver, in this case it was John C. Scott who is a radio talk show host down here, could put his hands up when the bear "draws down" on him. I would have liked to use a jeep or a land cruiser, but it wasn't meant to be at the time. Besides, in the full color shots the metallic blue corvette looks really nice. :-) Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 2 21:20:27 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 14:20:27 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Catalina State Park In-Reply-To: References: <000501c23a66$c78f55d0$026fa8c0@OUR> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020802141702.00a89450@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 02:04 PM 8/2/2002 -0700, you wrote: >I feel like I'm missing out on something since I haven't seen this poster. >I don't suppose a picture of it is hidden on Scott's webpage, is it? No, but I will find an electronic copy of it tonight and upload it to the webpage. I also plan on bringing some to the next geocaching get together we have down here. Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 2 21:21:08 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:21:08 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Catalina State Park In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000801c23a6a$858fe6a0$026fa8c0@OUR> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C23A2F.D9310EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I feel like I'm missing out on something since I haven't seen > this poster. > I don't suppose a picture of it is hidden on Scott's webpage, is it? In case it isn't, I just took an amateurish photo of it. It's only about 25k, so I'm taking the liberty of attaching it. 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Q96VKihNTwLuxSpUxF1FG3mlSpVtH//Z ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C23A2F.D9310EA0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 2 21:31:42 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jim Scotti) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:31:42 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Catalina State Park In-Reply-To: <000801c23a6a$858fe6a0$026fa8c0@OUR> Message-ID: Thanks Steve! That's a great poster. So who's in the bear suit? Jim. On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, Team Tierra Buena wrote: > > I feel like I'm missing out on something since I haven't seen > > this poster. > > I don't suppose a picture of it is hidden on Scott's webpage, is it? > > In case it isn't, I just took an amateurish photo of it. It's only about > 25k, so I'm taking the liberty of attaching it. > > Steve > Team Tierra Buena > > Jim Scotti Lunar & Planetary Laboratory jscotti@pirl.lpl.arizona.edu University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 USA http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 2 22:08:14 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 15:08:14 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Benchmark Finds Counted References: Message-ID: <000b01c23a71$19ea5be0$5700b83f@regansmi> Oh great instead of looking for an Altoids we'll next be using TUMS, gotta find those disks.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Scotti" To: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Benchmark Finds Counted > Hey I noticed that too, but wasn't sure when it was added. I noticed that > benchmark finds are now placed at the bottom of "My Cache Page" and that they > started truncating the list at the 10 most recent cache logs or last 10 days > whichever is longest. Always great to see those kinds of changes, either at > geocaching.com or azgeocaching.com. Somehow I suspect Jeremy has about as > much spare time as my GPS has spare room for extra waypoints.... > > Jim. > > On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, Team Tierra Buena wrote: > > > Somewhere between our discussion last week on locationless caches, > > benchmarks, and find counts, and a day or two ago, geocaching.com snuck > > benchmark find counts into the user profiles. Maybe Jeremy reads our > > listserver in his spare time... > > > > Steve > > Team Tierra Buena > > > > > > Jim Scotti > Lunar & Planetary Laboratory jscotti@pirl.lpl.arizona.edu > University of Arizona > Tucson, AZ 85721 USA http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/ > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 2 22:11:30 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: 02 Aug 2002 15:11:30 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Catalina State Park In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020802140540.00a890d0@mail.myblueheaven.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020802133819.00a86a30@mail.myblueheaven.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020802140540.00a890d0@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: <1028326290.8464.4.camel@fone.snaptek.com> Maybe you could re-do with someone lying face down on the ground handing over their wallet and have the bear with pantyhose over their head so he looks more like a "robber". Then it wouldn't matter what kind of car it was. I think my biggest problem with the poster is that Mr. Scott looks kinda excited in a slightly happy way. I know I wouldn't have that look on my face if I was being robbed at gun point by a bear :) Brian Cluff Team Snaptek On Fri, 2002-08-02 at 14:08, Scott Wood wrote: > At 01:54 PM 8/2/2002 -0700, you wrote: > > >drag the bear suit out again, consider that maybe the photo would > >generate more sympathy for the guy if he was driving something other > >than a Corvette. > > At the time we did that picture, it was the only car that we had access to > that was open top. We needed something that the driver, in this case it > was John C. Scott who is a radio talk show host down here, could put his > hands up when the bear "draws down" on him. I would have liked to use a > jeep or a land cruiser, but it wasn't meant to be at the time. Besides, in > the full color shots the metallic blue corvette looks really nice. :-) > > > Scott > Team My Blue Heaven > www.myblueheaven.com/geocache > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 2 22:38:21 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 15:38:21 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Catalina State Park In-Reply-To: <1028326290.8464.4.camel@fone.snaptek.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020802140540.00a890d0@mail.myblueheaven.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020802133819.00a86a30@mail.myblueheaven.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020802140540.00a890d0@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020802153001.00a8ee30@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 03:11 PM 8/2/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Maybe you could re-do with someone lying face down on the ground handing >over their wallet and have the bear with pantyhose over their head so he >looks more like a "robber". Then it wouldn't matter what kind of car it >was. At the time, the Forest Service was doing a lot of PR telling people how easy it would be to drive up to the toll booth, hand over your $5 and be on your way. You wouldn't need to get out of your car and it would only take a few seconds. We talked alot about how we wanted to stage the shoot and decided that based on the FS comments, we had to have a guy sitting in his car. We wanted to do it at the toll booth, but there was no way possible to do that. We ended up about .5miles down hill from the booth. >I think my biggest problem with the poster is that Mr. Scott looks kinda >excited in a slightly happy way. I know I wouldn't have that look on my >face if I was being robbed at gun point by a bear :) That was the look we were going for at the time. In addition to the PR about how easy it would be, they were also trying to convince everyone here in Tucson that they should be really happy about paying the toll. While it really fit the mood at the time, it wasn't particularly timeless. If I was going to do a sequel to the poster, I would probably do it out at Sabino Canyon and have the mood be completely different. Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 2 22:29:52 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 15:29:52 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Catalina State Park In-Reply-To: References: <000801c23a6a$858fe6a0$026fa8c0@OUR> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020802152914.00a8f340@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 02:31 PM 8/2/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Thanks Steve! That's a great poster. So who's in the bear suit? A friend of mine that was willing to stand in a rented bear suit when it was 100 degrees outside. :-) Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 2 22:47:28 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jim Scotti) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 15:47:28 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Catalina State Park In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020802152914.00a8f340@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, Scott Wood wrote: > At 02:31 PM 8/2/2002 -0700, I wrote: > >Thanks Steve! That's a great poster. So who's in the bear suit? > > A friend of mine that was willing to stand in a rented bear suit when it > was 100 degrees outside. :-) Must've been a really good friend.... :-) Jim. Jim Scotti Lunar & Planetary Laboratory jscotti@pirl.lpl.arizona.edu University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 USA http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 3 00:34:10 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jason Poulter) Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 17:34:10 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Portable Cache Files - New Feature Message-ID: <3D4B2502.50709@snaptek.com> i add a new feature to the portable cache webfiles. now you dont have to worry about reading the hint accidently while trying to read the log entries... the Decrypted hint shows up and a link now you can click on which will take you to the hint which i have moved down to the bottom of its specific log entries... there is also a warning that appears if you are reading down through the logs entries and you get near the hint, telling you that it is on the next page let me know what you think or if i goofed up something.... jason From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 3 03:56:38 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 20:56:38 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Un logged Travel bugs and Caches Message-ID: <003801c23aa1$c58700e0$3a20b83f@regansmi> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C23A67.1824C2A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable just a short gripe.... 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------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C23A67.1824C2A0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 5 03:14:41 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gordon L. Flatt) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:14:41 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Members Only caches... Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C23BF3.91422C80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been told that "Members Only" caches do not count as a find. Is this true? I made my "FREE" Ammo Can Cache (GC760A )a members only cache, but have since changed it. I have only had two visits to the cache so far, and they just happen to be the 1st and 2nd highest cache finders in Arizona! Sorry about that guys :-( Team Coyote1022 just placed another cache today, just finished posting it now and awaiting clearance from geocaching.com. We wanted to get out of the heat today and headed to Libby's 188 cache. On the way back we got West Fork Sycamore and was going to let Jibeho30 nab Snow on the Highway, but found it fenced off with Keep Out signs posted. We place our new cache up near Bushnell Tanks. To be more exact, 320 feet from the stone water tank! Just a short hike from your "Jeep" :-) Hope someone out there can give me the scoop on Member's Only caches. Gordon Team Coyote1022 ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C23BF3.91422C80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I've = been told that=20 "Members Only" caches do not count as a find. Is this true? = I made=20 my "FREE" Ammo Can Cache (GC760A )a=20 members only cache, but have since changed it. I have only had two = visits=20 to the cache so far, and they just happen to be the 1st and 2nd highest = cache=20 finders in Arizona! Sorry about that guys :-( =20

Team = Coyote1022 just=20 placed another cache today, just finished posting it now and awaiting = clearance=20 from geocaching.com. We wanted to get out of the heat today and = headed to=20 Libby's 188 cache. On the way back we got West Fork Sycamore and = was going=20 to let Jibeho30 nab Snow on the Highway, but found it fenced off with = Keep Out=20 signs posted. We place our new cache up near Bushnell Tanks. = To be=20 more exact, 320 feet from the stone water tank! Just a short hike = from=20 your "Jeep" :-)

Hope = someone out=20 there can give me the scoop on Member's Only caches. =

Gordon

Team=20 Coyote1022

------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C23BF3.91422C80-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 5 03:29:35 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:29:35 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Members Only caches... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000c01c23c30$52d2aaf0$026fa8c0@OUR> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C23BF5.A673D2F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gordon, They count. I haven't done yours yet, but I did "American Flag" Members Only Cache (MOC) down in Tucson, and it's counted correctly on geocaching.com. What you may be referring to is the fact that azgeocaching.com can't list the find under the team's individual list of logged caches on their team stats page. I exchanged emails with Brian on this, and it's because their crawler is not a member, so it can't see the MOCs either. Just like they can't list out-of-state caches there, either. But both MOCs and out-of-state caches get counted properly in azgeocaching.com, too. So, if that's what the issue is, it's a minor inconvenience. Brian and Jason are looking in to how to deal with it. Steve Team Tierra Buena "There are 10 kinds of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't." -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Gordon L. Flatt Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 8:15 PM To: AzGeo Listserve Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Members Only caches... I've been told that "Members Only" caches do not count as a find. Is this true? I made my "FREE" Ammo Can Cache (GC760A )a members only cache, but have since changed it. I have only had two visits to the cache so far, and they just happen to be the 1st and 2nd highest cache finders in Arizona! Sorry about that guys :-( Team Coyote1022 just placed another cache today, just finished posting it now and awaiting clearance from geocaching.com. We wanted to get out of the heat today and headed to Libby's 188 cache. On the way back we got West Fork Sycamore and was going to let Jibeho30 nab Snow on the Highway, but found it fenced off with Keep Out signs posted. We place our new cache up near Bushnell Tanks. To be more exact, 320 feet from the stone water tank! Just a short hike from your "Jeep" :-) Hope someone out there can give me the scoop on Member's Only caches. Gordon Team Coyote1022 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C23BF5.A673D2F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

Gordon,

They=20 count. I haven't done yours yet, but I did "American Flag" Members Only = Cache=20 (MOC) down in Tucson, and it's counted correctly on=20 geocaching.com.

What=20 you may be referring to is the fact that azgeocaching.com can't list the = find=20 under the team's individual list of logged caches on their team stats = page. I=20 exchanged emails with Brian on this, and it's because their crawler is = not a=20 member, so it can't see the MOCs either. Just like they can't list = out-of-state=20 caches there, either. But both MOCs and out-of-state caches get counted = properly=20 in azgeocaching.com, too. So, if that's what the issue is, it's a minor=20 inconvenience. Brian and Jason are looking in to how to deal with it.

Steve
Team=20 Tierra Buena
"There are=20 10 kinds of people in the world...
those who understand binary and = those who=20 don't."

-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of=20 Gordon L. Flatt
Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 8:15=20 PM
To: AzGeo Listserve
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] = Members Only=20 caches...

I've = been told=20 that "Members Only" caches do not count as a find. Is this = true? I=20 made my "FREE" Ammo Can Cache (GC760A = )a members only cache, but have since changed it. I = have only=20 had two visits to the cache so far, and they just happen to be the 1st = and 2nd=20 highest cache finders in Arizona! Sorry about that guys = :-( =20

Team = Coyote1022=20 just placed another cache today, just finished posting it now and = awaiting=20 clearance from geocaching.com. We wanted to get out of the heat = today=20 and headed to Libby's 188 cache. On the way back we got West = Fork=20 Sycamore and was going to let Jibeho30 nab Snow on the Highway, but = found it=20 fenced off with Keep Out signs posted. We place our new cache up = near=20 Bushnell Tanks. To be more exact, 320 feet from the stone water=20 tank! Just a short hike from your "Jeep" :-)

Hope = someone out=20 there can give me the scoop on Member's Only caches. =20

Gordon

Team = Coyote1022

------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C23BF5.A673D2F0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 5 03:44:12 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gordon L. Flatt) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:44:12 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Members Only caches... In-Reply-To: <000c01c23c30$52d2aaf0$026fa8c0@OUR> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C23BF7.B0C0EE30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MessageThanks Steve, It's the azgeocaching that I was referring to. Thanks for clearing that up for me. In the mean time, I will keep it open to all geocachers. Gordon :-) -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Team Tierra Buena Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 8:30 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Members Only caches... Gordon, They count. I haven't done yours yet, but I did "American Flag" Members Only Cache (MOC) down in Tucson, and it's counted correctly on geocaching.com. What you may be referring to is the fact that azgeocaching.com can't list the find under the team's individual list of logged caches on their team stats page. I exchanged emails with Brian on this, and it's because their crawler is not a member, so it can't see the MOCs either. Just like they can't list out-of-state caches there, either. But both MOCs and out-of-state caches get counted properly in azgeocaching.com, too. So, if that's what the issue is, it's a minor inconvenience. Brian and Jason are looking in to how to deal with it. Steve Team Tierra Buena "There are 10 kinds of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't." -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Gordon L. Flatt Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 8:15 PM To: AzGeo Listserve Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Members Only caches... I've been told that "Members Only" caches do not count as a find. Is this true? I made my "FREE" Ammo Can Cache (GC760A )a members only cache, but have since changed it. I have only had two visits to the cache so far, and they just happen to be the 1st and 2nd highest cache finders in Arizona! Sorry about that guys :-( Team Coyote1022 just placed another cache today, just finished posting it now and awaiting clearance from geocaching.com. We wanted to get out of the heat today and headed to Libby's 188 cache. On the way back we got West Fork Sycamore and was going to let Jibeho30 nab Snow on the Highway, but found it fenced off with Keep Out signs posted. We place our new cache up near Bushnell Tanks. To be more exact, 320 feet from the stone water tank! Just a short hike from your "Jeep" :-) Hope someone out there can give me the scoop on Member's Only caches. Gordon Team Coyote1022 ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C23BF7.B0C0EE30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

Thanks=20 Steve,

It's the azgeocaching that I was referring = to. Thanks=20 for clearing that up for me. In the mean time, I will keep it open = to all=20 geocachers.

Gordon=20 :-)

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of = Team=20 Tierra Buena
Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 8:30 = PM
To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] = Members Only=20 caches...

Gordon,

They count. I haven't done yours yet, but I did = "American Flag"=20 Members Only Cache (MOC) down in Tucson, and it's counted correctly on = geocaching.com.

What you may be referring to is the fact that = azgeocaching.com=20 can't list the find under the team's individual list of logged caches = on their=20 team stats page. I exchanged emails with Brian on this, and it's = because their=20 crawler is not a member, so it can't see the MOCs either. Just like = they can't=20 list out-of-state caches there, either. But both MOCs and out-of-state = caches=20 get counted properly in azgeocaching.com, too. So, if that's what the = issue=20 is, it's a minor inconvenience. Brian and Jason are looking in to how = to deal=20 with it.=20
Steve
Team Tierra = Buena
"There are 10 kinds of people in the=20 world...
those who understand binary and those who=20 don't."

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: = az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = Gordon L. Flatt
Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 8:15=20 PM
To: AzGeo Listserve
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] = Members=20 Only caches...

I've been told=20 that "Members Only" caches do not count as a find. Is this = true? =20 I made my "FREE" Ammo Can Cache (GC760A = )a members only cache, but have since changed it. = I have=20 only had two visits to the cache so far, and they just happen to be = the 1st=20 and 2nd highest cache finders in Arizona! Sorry about that = guys=20 :-(

Team Coyote1022=20 just placed another cache today, just finished posting it now and = awaiting=20 clearance from geocaching.com. We wanted to get out of the = heat today=20 and headed to Libby's 188 cache. On the way back we got West = Fork=20 Sycamore and was going to let Jibeho30 nab Snow on the Highway, but = found it=20 fenced off with Keep Out signs posted. We place our new cache = up near=20 Bushnell Tanks. To be more exact, 320 feet from the stone = water=20 tank! Just a short hike from your "Jeep" = :-)

Hope someone out=20 there can give me the scoop on Member's Only caches. =20

Gordon

Team=20 = Coyote1022

------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C23BF7.B0C0EE30-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 5 04:46:33 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: 04 Aug 2002 21:46:33 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Members Only caches... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1028522793.9332.4.camel@snaptop.snaptek.com> I was thinking it was kinda a weird cache. On one hand I could see why you would want to make a reward of an amo can to someone someone that is dedicated enough to geocaching that they bought a membership, but on the other hand, if they are that dedicated, they probably have a pile of containers already. ...but don't do anything special on our account. There is still only one "official" site, and we are just a VAR for the info :) Brian Cluff Team Snaptek On Sun, 2002-08-04 at 20:44, Gordon L. Flatt wrote: > MessageThanks Steve, > > It's the azgeocaching that I was referring to. Thanks for clearing that > up for me. In the mean time, I will keep it open to all geocachers. > > Gordon :-) > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Team > Tierra Buena > Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 8:30 PM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Members Only caches... > > > Gordon, > > They count. I haven't done yours yet, but I did "American Flag" Members > Only Cache (MOC) down in Tucson, and it's counted correctly on > geocaching.com. > > What you may be referring to is the fact that azgeocaching.com can't list > the find under the team's individual list of logged caches on their team > stats page. I exchanged emails with Brian on this, and it's because their > crawler is not a member, so it can't see the MOCs either. Just like they > can't list out-of-state caches there, either. But both MOCs and out-of-state > caches get counted properly in azgeocaching.com, too. So, if that's what the > issue is, it's a minor inconvenience. Brian and Jason are looking in to how > to deal with it. > Steve > Team Tierra Buena > "There are 10 kinds of people in the world... > those who understand binary and those who don't." > > > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Gordon > L. Flatt > Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 8:15 PM > To: AzGeo Listserve > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Members Only caches... > > > I've been told that "Members Only" caches do not count as a find. Is > this true? I made my "FREE" Ammo Can Cache (GC760A )a members only cache, > but have since changed it. I have only had two visits to the cache so far, > and they just happen to be the 1st and 2nd highest cache finders in Arizona! > Sorry about that guys :-( > > Team Coyote1022 just placed another cache today, just finished posting > it now and awaiting clearance from geocaching.com. We wanted to get out of > the heat today and headed to Libby's 188 cache. On the way back we got West > Fork Sycamore and was going to let Jibeho30 nab Snow on the Highway, but > found it fenced off with Keep Out signs posted. We place our new cache up > near Bushnell Tanks. To be more exact, 320 feet from the stone water tank! > Just a short hike from your "Jeep" :-) > > Hope someone out there can give me the scoop on Member's Only caches. > > Gordon > Team Coyote1022 From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 5 05:07:43 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (loran @cox) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 22:07:43 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] 500 cache finds in a single state Message-ID: <001b01c23c3e$0823d480$0400a8c0@one> Another congratulation is in order for a new milestone in Geocaching. Team "Wyle E" has become the first team to reach 500 caches in a single state. Team Sand Dollar From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 5 05:08:26 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 22:08:26 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] 500 cache finds in a single state In-Reply-To: <001b01c23c3e$0823d480$0400a8c0@one> Message-ID: <001801c23c3e$21d17810$026fa8c0@OUR> > Another congratulation is in order for a new milestone in > Geocaching. Team "Wyle E" has become the first team to reach > 500 caches in a single state. Congratulations, Team "Wyle E"! Steve Team Tierra Buena "There are 10 kinds of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't." From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 5 05:32:51 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (loran @cox) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 22:32:51 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Did it just get approved. Message-ID: <002501c23c41$8aa4eb80$0400a8c0@one> Was looking at nearby caches and came across this one: Camelback Cache by Lasivian [profile] N 34� 30.778 W 111� 57.474 (WGS-84) convert to NAD27 or UTM State: Arizona [state map] Hidden on: 6/3/2001 Use Waypoint: GC79E5 (what's this?) *** Coords look to be wrong as I believe it should be N 33� plus there are no finds. What also strange is that it was hidden over a year ago. Makes we wonder if there is another cache up on Camelback that has been sitting around for a long time that no one knows about. Or is there some weird glitch at geocaching.com. Team Sand Dollar From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 5 05:40:42 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (WOLFB8) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 22:40:42 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Did it just get approved. References: <002501c23c41$8aa4eb80$0400a8c0@one> Message-ID: <03b301c23c43$6464d3c0$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_03B0_01C23C07.F6BCC840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable it been around for a while....... he the guys that does the yellow and = black quart paint cans....... libby We will be known by the tracks we leave behind ----- Original Message -----=20 From: loran @cox=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 10:32 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Did it just get approved. Was looking at nearby caches and came across this one: Camelback Cache by Lasivian [profile] N 34=B0 30.778 W 111=B0 57.474 (WGS-84) convert to NAD27 or UTM State: Arizona [state map] Hidden on: 6/3/2001 Use Waypoint: GC79E5 (what's this?) *** Coords look to be wrong as I believe it should be N 33=B0 plus there = are no finds. What also strange is that it was hidden over a year ago. Makes = we wonder if there is another cache up on Camelback that has been sitting around for a long time that no one knows about. Or is there some weird glitch at geocaching.com. Team Sand Dollar _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com ------=_NextPart_000_03B0_01C23C07.F6BCC840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

it been around for a while....... = he the guys=20 that does the yellow and black quart paint cans.......

libby

We will be known by the tracks we leave behind

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 loran @cox=20

To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 = 10:32=20 PM

Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Did it = just get=20 approved.

Was looking at nearby caches and came across this=20 one:

Camelback Cache by Lasivian [profile]

N 34=B0 = 30.778 W 111=B0=20 57.474 (WGS-84)
convert to NAD27 or UTM

State: Arizona = [state=20 map]
Hidden on: 6/3/2001
Use Waypoint: GC79E5 (what's=20 this?)

***

Coords look to be wrong as I believe it = should be N=20 33=B0 plus there are no
finds. What also strange is that it was = hidden over a=20 year ago. Makes we
wonder if there is another cache up on Camelback = that=20 has been sitting
around for a long time that no one knows about. Or = is=20 there some weird
glitch at geocaching.com.

Team Sand=20 = Dollar

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<= /BLOCKQUOTE> ------=_NextPart_000_03B0_01C23C07.F6BCC840-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 5 05:44:08 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 22:44:08 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Did it just get approved. In-Reply-To: <002501c23c41$8aa4eb80$0400a8c0@one> Message-ID: <001901c23c43$1e6fbd30$026fa8c0@OUR> > Was looking at nearby caches and came across this one: > > Camelback Cache by Lasivian [profile] > > N 34� 30.778 W 111� 57.474 (WGS-84) > convert to NAD27 or UTM > > State: Arizona [state map] > Hidden on: 6/3/2001 > Use Waypoint: GC79E5 (what's this?) > > > Coords look to be wrong as I believe it should be N 33� plus > there are no finds. What also strange is that it was hidden > over a year ago. Makes we wonder if there is another cache up > on Camelback that has been sitting around for a long time > that no one knows about. Or is there some weird glitch at > geocaching.com. > My guess is more likely Lasivian was tired from the summer hike up Camelback. He probably hid it on 8/3 and typed 6/3 by mistake, just like he typed N34 instead of N33. Correcting the latitude would put it about 1500 feet from Place Tup Top. (I've never been up there. Is there that much room on the summit?). The newest cache placed anywhere (as of about 30 seconds ago) had a waypoint of 7A6D, so that would put this one as being posted very recently, not last year. When they get up to 8000, they'll be halfway through all the currently available waypoint IDs. Do you want to drop him an email? I'm sure he'll fix it as soon as he's made aware of it. Steve Team Tierra Buena "There are 10 kinds of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't." From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 5 14:18:48 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ford, Denny) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:18:48 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] 500 cache finds in a single state Message-ID: Yes add my congratulations to Larry and Connie Well done addicts. -----Original Message----- From: Team Tierra Buena [mailto:teamtierrabuena@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 10:08 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] 500 cache finds in a single state > Another congratulation is in order for a new milestone in > Geocaching. Team "Wyle E" has become the first team to reach > 500 caches in a single state. Congratulations, Team "Wyle E"! Steve Team Tierra Buena "There are 10 kinds of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't." _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 5 14:22:53 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Justin Sever) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:22:53 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] 500 cache finds in a single state In-Reply-To: <001b01c23c3e$0823d480$0400a8c0@one> Message-ID: <009101c23c8b$96343600$0200a8c0@laptop7500> Congradulations Larry! You are The Man! -Frobro Goose -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of loran @cox Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 10:08 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] 500 cache finds in a single state Another congratulation is in order for a new milestone in Geocaching. Team "Wyle E" has become the first team to reach 500 caches in a single state. Team Sand Dollar _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 5 14:35:24 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Justin Sever) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:35:24 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re-activating an archived cache? Message-ID: <009301c23c8d$559a0e10$0200a8c0@laptop7500> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0094_01C23C52.A93B3610 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had to archive Frobro-5 today because it is missing. I'm planning on going out and replacing it, however, I can't figure out how to reactivate an archived cache. Does anyone have any suggestions? -Frobro Goose ------=_NextPart_000_0094_01C23C52.A93B3610 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

I had = to archive=20 Frobro-5 today because it is missing. I'm planning on going = out and=20 replacing it, however, I can't figure out how to reactivate an archived=20 cache.

Does = anyone have any=20 suggestions?

-Frobro=20 Goose

------=_NextPart_000_0094_01C23C52.A93B3610-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 5 14:51:16 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Tim Giron) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:51:16 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Did it just get approved. In-Reply-To: <001901c23c43$1e6fbd30$026fa8c0@OUR> References: <001901c23c43$1e6fbd30$026fa8c0@OUR> Message-ID: I emailed Lasivian yesterday about the apparent coordinate glitch and the date. He indicated that the coords were indeed 33 N, but the the date was correct. He placed it a while ago and delayed activating it. Tim Team AZFastFeet > > Was looking at nearby caches and came across this one: >> >> Camelback Cache by Lasivian [profile] >> >> N 34� 30.778 W 111� 57.474 (WGS-84) >> convert to NAD27 or UTM >> >> State: Arizona [state map] >> Hidden on: 6/3/2001 >> Use Waypoint: GC79E5 (what's this?) >> >> >> Coords look to be wrong as I believe it should be N 33� plus >> there are no finds. What also strange is that it was hidden >> over a year ago. Makes we wonder if there is another cache up >> on Camelback that has been sitting around for a long time >> that no one knows about. Or is there some weird glitch at >> geocaching.com. >> > >My guess is more likely Lasivian was tired from the summer hike up >Camelback. He probably hid it on 8/3 and typed 6/3 by mistake, just like >he typed N34 instead of N33. Correcting the latitude would put it about >1500 feet from Place Tup Top. (I've never been up there. Is there that >much room on the summit?). > >The newest cache placed anywhere (as of about 30 seconds ago) had a >waypoint of 7A6D, so that would put this one as being posted very >recently, not last year. When they get up to 8000, they'll be halfway >through all the currently available waypoint IDs. > >Do you want to drop him an email? I'm sure he'll fix it as soon as he's >made aware of it. > >Steve >Team Tierra Buena >"There are 10 kinds of people in the world... >those who understand binary and those who don't." From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 5 14:56:53 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Tim Giron) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:56:53 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re-activating an archived cache? In-Reply-To: <009301c23c8d$559a0e10$0200a8c0@laptop7500> References: <009301c23c8d$559a0e10$0200a8c0@laptop7500> Message-ID: --============_-1183563077==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I hear that it is next to impossible to re-activate an archived cache (a geocaching.com admin has to do it, probably). If you haven't done the archiving yet, just temporarily disable it (the not very attention-getting link is over by the cache coordinates rather than in the block of links on the right side of the page). If you already archived it and you will be bringing it back as a new cache, you might want to consider moving it a couple hundred feet, if possible, since everybody that found the old one is going to see the new placement in their list of caches not yet found (a la Fire Closure 2a) Tim Team AZFastFeet >I had to archive Frobro-5 today because it is missing. I'm >planning on going out and replacing it, however, I can't figure out >how to reactivate an archived cache. > >Does anyone have any suggestions? > >-Frobro Goose --============_-1183563077==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re-activating an archived cache?

I hear that it is next to impossible to re-activate an archived cache (a geocaching.com admin has to do it, probably). If you haven't done the archiving yet, just temporarily disable it (the not very attention-getting link is over by the cache coordinates rather than in the block of links on the right side of the page).

If you already archived it and you will be bringing it back as a new cache, you might want to consider moving it a couple hundred feet, if possible, since everybody that found the old one is going to see the new placement in their list of caches not yet found (a la Fire Closure 2a)

Tim

Team AZFastFeet

I had to archive Frobro-5 today because it is missing. I'm planning on going out and replacing it, however, I can't figure out how to reactivate an archived cache.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

-Frobro Goose

--============_-1183563077==_ma============-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 5 14:58:25 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken Henson) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:58:25 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re-activating an archived cache? In-Reply-To: <009301c23c8d$559a0e10$0200a8c0@laptop7500> Message-ID: --Apple-Mail-1-860181467 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On Monday, August 5, 2002, at 07:35 AM, Justin Sever wrote: > I had to archive Frobro-5 today because it is missing.=A0=A0 I'm = planning=20 > on going out and replacing it, however, I can't figure out how to=20 > reactivate an archived cache. > =A0 > Does anyone have any suggestions? > =A0 > -Frobro Goose I did it by writing to Geocaching and asking to reactivate caches I had=20= archived. - Ken (Lincoln) --Apple-Mail-1-860181467 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Monday, August 5, 2002, at 07:35 AM, Justin Sever wrote: ArialI had to archive Frobro-5 today because it is missing.=A0=A0 I'm planning on going out = and replacing it, however, I can't figure out how to reactivate an archived cache. =A0 ArialDoes anyone have any suggestions? =A0 Arial-Frobro Goose = Arial= I did it by writing to Geocaching and asking to reactivate caches I had archived. - Ken (Lincoln) = --Apple-Mail-1-860181467-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 5 15:07:13 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (loran @cox) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:07:13 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Did it just get approved. References: <001901c23c43$1e6fbd30$026fa8c0@OUR> Message-ID: <001301c23c91$c7d450e0$0400a8c0@one> I emailed him also. I also found another cache that looks like he also just activated. It was just with what appeared to be old caches with no finds I wanted to be sure they where there before I went after them. Loran ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Giron To: Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 7:51 AM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Did it just get approved. > I emailed Lasivian yesterday about the apparent coordinate glitch and the date. He indicated that the coords were indeed 33 N, but the the date was correct. He placed it a while ago and delayed activating it. > > Tim > Team AZFastFeet > > > > Was looking at nearby caches and came across this one: > >> > >> Camelback Cache by Lasivian [profile] > >> > >> N 34� 30.778 W 111� 57.474 (WGS-84) > >> convert to NAD27 or UTM > >> > >> State: Arizona [state map] > >> Hidden on: 6/3/2001 > >> Use Waypoint: GC79E5 (what's this?) > >> > >> > >> Coords look to be wrong as I believe it should be N 33� plus > >> there are no finds. What also strange is that it was hidden > >> over a year ago. Makes we wonder if there is another cache up > >> on Camelback that has been sitting around for a long time > >> that no one knows about. Or is there some weird glitch at > >> geocaching.com. > >> > > > >My guess is more likely Lasivian was tired from the summer hike up > >Camelback. He probably hid it on 8/3 and typed 6/3 by mistake, just like > >he typed N34 instead of N33. Correcting the latitude would put it about > >1500 feet from Place Tup Top. (I've never been up there. Is there that > >much room on the summit?). > > > >The newest cache placed anywhere (as of about 30 seconds ago) had a > >waypoint of 7A6D, so that would put this one as being posted very > >recently, not last year. When they get up to 8000, they'll be halfway > >through all the currently available waypoint IDs. > > > >Do you want to drop him an email? I'm sure he'll fix it as soon as he's > >made aware of it. > > > >Steve > >Team Tierra Buena > >"There are 10 kinds of people in the world... > >those who understand binary and those who don't." > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 5 15:59:10 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: 05 Aug 2002 08:59:10 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re-activating an archived cache? In-Reply-To: <009301c23c8d$559a0e10$0200a8c0@laptop7500> References: <009301c23c8d$559a0e10$0200a8c0@laptop7500> Message-ID: <1028563150.13829.3.camel@napita.snaptek.com> As far as I know there is no way to unarchive a cache other than asking someone though e-mail to do it by hand. But it appears that you night be able to set you archived cache to limbo mode, the temporary disable feature previously spoken about, and then unset the limbo mode and it should make it a live cache again. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek On Mon, 2002-08-05 at 07:35, Justin Sever wrote: > I had to archive Frobro-5 today because it is missing. I'm planning on > going out and replacing it, however, I can't figure out how to > reactivate an archived cache. > > Does anyone have any suggestions? > > -Frobro Goose From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 5 16:27:26 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 09:27:26 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re-activating an archived cache? In-Reply-To: <009301c23c8d$559a0e10$0200a8c0@laptop7500> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020805092648.00ab9970@mail.myblueheaven.com> --=====================_541919==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:35 AM 8/5/2002 -0700, you wrote: >I had to archive Frobro-5 today because it is missing. I'm planning on >going out and replacing it, however, I can't figure out how to reactivate >an archived cache. > >Does anyone have any suggestions? Just a question, why did you archive it? We now have the feature to temp. disable a cache. Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache --=====================_541919==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 07:35 AM 8/5/2002 -0700, you wrote:

I had to archive Frobro-5 today because it is missing. I'm planning on going out and replacing it, however, I can't figure out how to reactivate an archived cache.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

Just a question, why did you archive it? We now have the feature to temp. disable a cache.

Scott

Team My Blue Heaven

www.myblueheaven.com/geocache

--=====================_541919==_.ALT-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 5 16:31:39 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bell, Robert) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:31:39 -0700 Subject: FW: [Az-Geocaching] 500 cache finds in a single state Message-ID: I believe Larry, the proper saying would be... "Congratulations Team Wyle E on your QUINCENTENNIAL cache find !! " Team CHUMP tips his virtual cache hat to Wyle E. A fine ambassador to the Arizona Geocaching society. -Rob -----Original Message----- From: Justin Sever [mailto:justinsever@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 7:23 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] 500 cache finds in a single state Congradulations Larry! You are The Man! -Frobro Goose -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of loran @cox Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 10:08 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] 500 cache finds in a single state Another congratulation is in order for a new milestone in Geocaching. Team "Wyle E" has become the first team to reach 500 caches in a single state. Team Sand Dollar _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 5 16:50:39 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Nicol) Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 09:50:39 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] 500 cache finds Message-ID: Ok. That's it. I quit!!! :) LOL LOL LOL :) :) :) Just kiddin'! This is too much fun. I ain't goin' nowhere. But, out geocaching! Congrats Team Wyle E on 500 cache finds! That is a great accomplishment. To be able to look back on all those cache seeking adventures and to be able to picture all the wonderful and scenic places you have been. We here at Ropingthewind have just been caching in Arizona and have only logged AZ caches (that may change someday!). In our travels around the state on geocaching trips, we have visited places we only knew existed, but, likely would never have seen. A few locations I have flown over, but, never hiked into, providing a unique and new perspective. Geocaching has taken us to some beautiful locations around Arizona. Some which were only a short drive from my Mesa home! I only have 208 caches to go to reach 500! Congrats again Wyle E and may your next 500 be as safe and enjoyable as your first! 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Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 5 20:19:28 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jason Poulter) Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 13:19:28 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] GPS V update Message-ID: <3D4EDDD0.5080800@snaptek.com> here ther is a new upgrade for garmin gps V... looks like maybe a couple other units as well jason From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 5 22:00:33 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 15:00:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] 500 cache.....madness! LOL Message-ID: <20020805150037.10472.h015.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Congrats Larry and family for your milestone. Maybe somebody should erect a statue....you standing next to a yellow Jeep, ya know....ammo can held up in one hand. Hmm, cute. Anyway, I just finished reading your logs of the SWEEP of the Prescott area and I must say, A HUGE CONGRATS for being the first to bag Lincoln's *SEVEN OF SEVEN* (I know WHERE it is, basically, but haven't been able to get up there....) You ol' *Maverick*, Larry, you definately deserve to claim first rights on that one! cheers, Trisha (Lightning) temporarily semi-retired from caching "Bell, Robert" wrote: > > > I believe Larry, the proper saying would be... > "Congratulations Team Wyle E on your QUINCENTENNIAL cache find !! " > > > Team CHUMP tips his virtual cache hat to Wyle E. A fine > ambassador to the Arizona Geocaching society. > > -Rob > > -----Original Message----- > From: Justin Sever [mailto:justinsever@hotmail.com] > Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 7:23 > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] 500 cache finds in a single state > > > Congradulations Larry! You are The Man! > > -Frobro Goose > > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of > loran @cox > Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 10:08 PM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] 500 cache finds in a single state > > > Another congratulation is in order for a new milestone in Geocaching. > Team "Wyle E" has become the first team to reach 500 caches in a single > state. > > > Team Sand Dollar > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Although no one can go back and make a brand new start, Anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 5 22:22:16 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: 05 Aug 2002 15:22:16 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) Message-ID: <1028586136.30928.8.camel@fone.snaptek.com> I just got off the phone with a reporter from the Arizona Republic (which is currently subscribed to this list) who said they she got word of some geological site(s?) that had been ransacked and that a geocacher might have been involved. I myself don't think that it would have been a geocacher, and that it would probably be a conicidence that a geocache was near by. Does anyone else know anything about what she might be talking about? Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 5 22:35:08 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (patrick hopkins) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:35:08 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re-activating an archived cache? In-Reply-To: Ken Henson 's message of Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:58:25 -0700 Message-ID: <22111-3D4EFD9C-8044@storefull-2178.public.lawson.webtv.net> --WebTV-Mail-29682-4057 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit we had one turn up missing also. when we replaced it a short distance away, we just named it "the sequel", and made it a new cache. team lake havaasu, (wendy , patrick, and dog) --WebTV-Mail-29682-4057 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from smtpin-2108.public.lawson.webtv.net (209.240.213.118) by storefull-2171.public.lawson.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns2.sequoia.net (cpe-24-221-56-185.az.sprintbbd.net [24.221.56.185]) by smtpin-2108.public.lawson.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id EDFCCFE10 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:00:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns2.sequoia.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ns2.sequoia.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA19405; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:00:09 -0700 Received: from sequoia.net (SEQUOIA.NET [207.246.52.5]) by ns2.sequoia.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA19379 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:59:53 -0700 Received: from scanmail3.cableone.net (scanmail3.cableone.net [24.116.0.123]) by sequoia.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8C6724A836 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:05:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from scanmail3.cableone.net ([10.116.0.123]) by scanmail3.cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:56:33 -0700 Received: from scanmail3.cableone.net [24.116.0.123] by scanmail3.cableone.net (SMTPD32-7.04) id A202C24F00B8; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 07:56:02 -0700 Received: from 65-155.precpe.cableone.net (65-155.precpe.cableone.net [24.116.65.155]) by mail.cableone.net with SMTP (MailShield v2.04 - WIN32 Jul 17 2001 17:12:42); Mon, 05 Aug 2002 07:56:02 -0600 Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re-activating an archived cache? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-860181467 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Ken Henson To: listserv@azgeocaching.com In-Reply-To: <009301c23c8d$559a0e10$0200a8c0@laptop7500> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) X-SMTP-HELO: 65-155.precpe.cableone.net X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: khenson@cableone.net X-SMTP-RCPT-TO: listserv@azgeocaching.com X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: 65-155.precpe.cableone.net [24.116.65.155] Sender: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com Errors-To: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com X-BeenThere: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.7 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List for discussing Geocaching in Arizona List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:58:25 -0700 --Apple-Mail-1-860181467 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On Monday, August 5, 2002, at 07:35 AM, Justin Sever wrote: > I had to archive Frobro-5 today because it is missing.=A0=A0 I'm = planning=20 > on going out and replacing it, however, I can't figure out how to=20 > reactivate an archived cache. > =A0 > Does anyone have any suggestions? > =A0 > -Frobro Goose I did it by writing to Geocaching and asking to reactivate caches I had=20= archived. - Ken (Lincoln) --Apple-Mail-1-860181467 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Monday, August 5, 2002, at 07:35 AM, Justin Sever wrote: ArialI had to archive Frobro-5 today because it is missing.=A0=A0 I'm planning on going out = and replacing it, however, I can't figure out how to reactivate an archived cache. =A0 ArialDoes anyone have any suggestions? =A0 Arial-Frobro Goose = Arial= I did it by writing to Geocaching and asking to reactivate caches I had archived. - Ken (Lincoln) = --Apple-Mail-1-860181467-- _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com --WebTV-Mail-29682-4057-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 5 22:40:07 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (patrick hopkins) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:40:07 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] 500 cache finds In-Reply-To: "Scott Nicol" 's message of Mon, 05 Aug 2002 09:50:39 -0700 Message-ID: <22113-3D4EFEC7-6438@storefull-2178.public.lawson.webtv.net> team lake havasu offers their congrats to wyle e as well. we bow our heads in awe. we only have about 498 to go !!! great job !! t. l. h. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 5 23:45:31 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Justin Sever) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:45:31 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re-activating an archived cache? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020805092648.00ab9970@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: <00d201c23cda$31e455a0$0200a8c0@laptop7500> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D3_01C23C9F.85857DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I ddin't know about the temp feature until after I did the unthinkable. Its all straightened out now and back up though, just diabled. -Goose -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Scott Wood Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 9:27 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re-activating an archived cache? At 07:35 AM 8/5/2002 -0700, you wrote: I had to archive Frobro-5 today because it is missing. I'm planning on going out and replacing it, however, I can't figure out how to reactivate an archived cache. Does anyone have any suggestions? Just a question, why did you archive it? We now have the feature to temp. disable a cache. Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache ------=_NextPart_000_00D3_01C23C9F.85857DA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

I=20 ddin't know about the temp feature until after I did the=20 unthinkable. Its all straightened out now and back up = though, just=20 diabled.

-Goose

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = Scott Wood
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 9:27 = AM
To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = Re-activating=20 an archived cache?

At 07:35 AM 8/5/2002 -0700, you = wrote:

I had to=20 archive Frobro-5 today because it is missing. I'm = planning on=20 going out and replacing it, however, I can't figure out how to = reactivate an=20 archived cache.

Does = anyone have=20 any suggestions?

Just a question, why did you = archive=20 it? We now have the feature to temp. disable a = cache.

Scott

Team My Blue Heaven

www.myblueheaven.com/geocache

------=_NextPart_000_00D3_01C23C9F.85857DA0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 5 23:48:34 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Cody Brown) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:48:34 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Arizona Geocaching Campout Message-ID: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=31456 From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 6 01:47:37 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 18:47:37 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] 500 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020805184701.00aa69e0@mail.myblueheaven.com> Let me add our congratulations to Larry and Connie for the 500 instate finds. Truly a remarkable feat. Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 6 03:13:00 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 23:13:00 EDT Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Our Hero! Message-ID: <7d.2b5cb3aa.2a8098bc@aol.com> --part1_7d.2b5cb3aa.2a8098bc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is probably out of character for us roadrunners, but a big congrats to Larry & Connie- Team Wyle E (our hero) on their 500 finds! Isn't the coyote supposed to be chasing the roadrunner? >From one addicted team to another - may you find many more caches at the end of your rainbow..... See you out there! Jean & Kelly- "roadrunners" --part1_7d.2b5cb3aa.2a8098bc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is probably out of character for us roadrunners, but a big congrats to Larry & Connie- Team Wyle E (our hero) on their 500 finds!
Isn't the coyote supposed to be chasing the roadrunner?

>From one addicted team to another - may you find many more caches at the end of your rainbow.....
See you out there!

Jean & Kelly- "roadrunners" --part1_7d.2b5cb3aa.2a8098bc_boundary-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 6 14:28:42 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ford, Denny) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:28:42 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial Message-ID: May I congratulate Roping the Wind on their 300 th find, and I met them when they were newbies, sniff sniff, good job . Now how many will you go without hiding a cache???? I think you have already beat Team Sand dollars record. -----Original Message----- From: Jeakell@aol.com [mailto:Jeakell@aol.com] Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 8:13 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Our Hero! This is probably out of character for us roadrunners, but a big congrats to Larry & Connie- Team Wyle E (our hero) on their 500 finds! Isn't the coyote supposed to be chasing the roadrunner? >From one addicted team to another - may you find many more caches at the end of your rainbow..... See you out there! Jean & Kelly- "roadrunners" From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 6 14:56:37 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (loran @cox) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:56:37 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial References: Message-ID: <000701c23d59$7709a660$0400a8c0@one> I add my congratulations to Scott of RopingtheWind for reaching 300. Loran (Team Sand Dollar) ----- Original Message ----- From: Ford, Denny To: Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 7:28 AM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial > May I congratulate Roping the Wind on their 300 th find, and I met them when they were newbies, sniff sniff, good job . > Now how many will you go without hiding a cache???? I think you have already beat Team Sand dollars record. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeakell@aol.com [mailto:Jeakell@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 8:13 PM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Our Hero! > > > This is probably out of character for us roadrunners, but a big congrats to Larry & Connie- Team Wyle E (our hero) on > their 500 finds! > Isn't the coyote supposed to be chasing the roadrunner? > > From one addicted team to another - may you find many more caches at the end of your rainbow..... > See you out there! > > Jean & Kelly- "roadrunners" > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 6 15:10:15 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Farquhar, Larry) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:10:15 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial Message-ID: <5EDEA14A2792394EA7D482E702C4C6DB0225402E@ipnismtp1.ipni.com> Congratulations RopingtheWind on your TERCENTENNIAL! Accomplished in 7 months. Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 6 15:15:00 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Farquhar, Larry) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:15:00 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Team A&M 200th?? Message-ID: <5EDEA14A2792394EA7D482E702C4C6DB02254031@ipnismtp1.ipni.com> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C23D5C.0876E390 Content-Type: text/plain A little late - but congratulations also go to Team A&M for the 200th cache find! May the remaining 30,000+ be as enjoyable. Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01C23D5C.0876E390 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Team A&M 200th??

A little late - but congratulations = also go to Team A&M for the 200th cache find! May the remaining = 30,000+ be as enjoyable.

Larry Farquhar
Team "Wyle E"
www.happy-wanderers.com

------_=_NextPart_001_01C23D5C.0876E390-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 6 16:25:16 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Justin Sever) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:25:16 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial In-Reply-To: <000701c23d59$7709a660$0400a8c0@one> Message-ID: <001901c23d65$d9c3bc30$0200a8c0@laptop7500> Way to go Scott! Great job on your 300th cache! I'm still waiting for your "commercial cache". GREAT JOB! -Frobro Goose From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 6 17:40:28 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Koch, Dan) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:40:28 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Who's got the Ferrari Message-ID: >From Frobro D-Dubs log on "AZ Railway Museum" cache: ...guy eventually came out and asked if we were on a scavenger hunt. We said yes. He says he's had people coming for a month already. He first thought something weird was going on when somebody drove up in a Ferrari and spent 30 minutes climbing around the train... Ok, I have to ask...Which one of you has such a caching vehicle? From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 6 17:49:30 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Tim Giron) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:49:30 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Who's got the Ferrari In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That's "The Lunch Club". I only know because we were out there at the "AZ Railway Museum" that same day when they arrived. I thought Thomas Magnum or perhaps Sonny Crockett was pulling up! Tim Team AZFastFeet >From Frobro D-Dubs log on "AZ Railway Museum" cache: > >...guy eventually came out and asked if we were on a scavenger hunt. We said >yes. He says he's had people coming for a month already. He first thought >something weird was going on when somebody drove up in a Ferrari and spent >30 minutes climbing around the train... > >Ok, I have to ask...Which one of you has such a caching vehicle? From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 6 18:03:47 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Farquhar, Larry) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:03:47 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Who's got the Ferrari Message-ID: <5EDEA14A2792394EA7D482E702C4C6DB02254074@ipnismtp1.ipni.com> My Jeep will still beat their Ferrari in a cache hunt - as long as I get to choose which cache. :) Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com -----Original Message----- From: Tim Giron [mailto:tgiron@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 10:50 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Who's got the Ferrari That's "The Lunch Club". I only know because we were out there at the "AZ Railway Museum" that same day when they arrived. I thought Thomas Magnum or perhaps Sonny Crockett was pulling up! Tim Team AZFastFeet From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 6 18:11:51 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ford, Denny) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:11:51 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Who's got the Ferrari Message-ID: Yea, let's see the Ferrari make it to RIP! or 7 of 7. Can you tell the jealousy in our tone. Yea you can. Tres Hombres Denny -----Original Message----- From: Farquhar, Larry [mailto:larry.farquhar@ipni.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 11:04 AM To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Who's got the Ferrari My Jeep will still beat their Ferrari in a cache hunt - as long as I get to choose which cache. :) Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com -----Original Message----- From: Tim Giron [mailto:tgiron@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 10:50 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Who's got the Ferrari That's "The Lunch Club". I only know because we were out there at the "AZ Railway Museum" that same day when they arrived. I thought Thomas Magnum or perhaps Sonny Crockett was pulling up! Tim Team AZFastFeet _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 6 20:36:01 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Cody Brown) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:36:01 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Who's got the Ferrari Message-ID: And my BUFPUT can beat a little white dodge pickup truck wannabe... |---------+---------------------------------------------> | | "Farquhar, Larry" | | | | | | Sent by: | | | az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeo| | | caching.com | | | | | | | | | 08/06/02 11:03 AM | | | Please respond to listserv | | | | |---------+---------------------------------------------> >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: "'listserv@azgeocaching.com'" | | cc: | | Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Who's got the Ferrari | >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| My Jeep will still beat their Ferrari in a cache hunt - as long as I get to choose which cache. :) Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com -----Original Message----- From: Tim Giron [mailto:tgiron@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 10:50 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Who's got the Ferrari That's "The Lunch Club". I only know because we were out there at the "AZ Railway Museum" that same day when they arrived. I thought Thomas Magnum or perhaps Sonny Crockett was pulling up! Tim Team AZFastFeet _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 6 21:56:57 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Nicol) Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 14:56:57 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial Message-ID: Thanks all and thanks Denny for reminding me that I havent hid a cache yet! :) LOL #300 was a fun cache find indeed! You can read my log entry on the Humboldt Mnt Cache to read more about it. Had a fun time. After setting a new record for the most finds with none hidden (is there such a record?!) :) LOL, we are ready to hide our first cache. I have an ammo box in my posession (I also have 2 Altoids cans!). We have 2 or 3 places in mind to put our first cache. We just have to figure out how to get to them! :) HAHHEHEHEAHHAHHEHHEEE LOL Rest assured that not even a Jeep will be able to go there! As far as the container goes: I have basically taken a 100' tall Ponderosa pine (the cache container) and gutted it out as to be able to hold the contents of the cache. We will place it somewhere on the Mogollon Rim. It is designed to blend in well with it's surroundings. LOL Just kidding! :) We plan to place our first cache sometime in September hopefully. We will be out of state on August 16th thru the 3rd of September to compete in the US National Balloon Championships as well as a couple other competitions (Albuquerque, NM * Houston, TX * Waco, TX). Once we return, we will be setting our sights on hiding our first cache! :) Of course, that will be after we get all cought up with all the new caches that will probably be placed while we are away from geocaching for 3 weeks! :) I am starting to get worried about the 500 waypoint limitation on my Garmin GPS! I have like 410 not found in AZ! Looking forward to my next 300! Scott Team Ropingthewind _________________________________________________________________ Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 6 22:35:22 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (teamcbx2) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:35:22 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] 500 cache finds in a single state In-Reply-To: <001b01c23c3e$0823d480$0400a8c0@one> Message-ID: We add our Congrat to the Wyle E. Way to go! Team CBx2 -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of loran @cox Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 10:08 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] 500 cache finds in a single state Another congratulation is in order for a new milestone in Geocaching. Team "Wyle E" has become the first team to reach 500 caches in a single state. Team Sand Dollar _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 6 22:43:34 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (teamcbx2) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:43:34 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial In-Reply-To: <001901c23d65$d9c3bc30$0200a8c0@laptop7500> Message-ID: Good Job on hitting 300!!! Team CBx2 -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Justin Sever Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 9:25 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial Way to go Scott! Great job on your 300th cache! I'm still waiting for your "commercial cache". GREAT JOB! -Frobro Goose _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 6 23:08:53 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bob Renner) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 16:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Who's got the Ferrari In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020806230853.90288.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com> In your dreams! --- Cody Brown wrote: > > And my BUFPUT can beat a little white dodge pickup > truck wannabe... > > > > > |---------+---------------------------------------------> > | | "Farquhar, Larry" > | > | | > | > | | Sent by: > | > | | > az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeo| > | | caching.com > | > | | > | > | | > | > | | 08/06/02 11:03 AM > | > | | Please respond to listserv > | > | | > | > |---------+---------------------------------------------> > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| > | > | > | To: "'listserv@azgeocaching.com'" > | > | cc: > | > | Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Who's got > the Ferrari | > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > > > > My Jeep will still beat their Ferrari in a cache > hunt - as long as I get to > choose which cache. :) > > Larry Farquhar > Team "Wyle E" > www.happy-wanderers.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Giron [mailto:tgiron@cox.net] > Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 10:50 AM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Who's got the Ferrari > > > That's "The Lunch Club". I only know because we > were out there at the "AZ > Railway Museum" that same day when they arrived. I > thought Thomas Magnum > or > perhaps Sonny Crockett was pulling up! > > Tim > Team AZFastFeet > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 00:09:48 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bell, Robert) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 17:09:48 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial Message-ID: I cleaned up some old papers last weekend, and found a Jan '02 printout of a cache and RTW had 33 finds in their log. You've come a long way baby!! 300 Caches!! Hip Hip, hooray! Congrats! Team CHUMP (P.S. I just passed you) Now Scott, (you deserve this)...don't you think you have enough experience yet to place a few caches too? You're not going for the high (-) cache karma are you?? (grin) -----Original Message----- From: Justin Sever [mailto:justinsever@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 9:25 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial Way to go Scott! Great job on your 300th cache! I'm still waiting for your "commercial cache". GREAT JOB! -Frobro Goose _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 04:14:34 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (skydad) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 21:14:34 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Ferrari References: <200208061905.MAA22019@ns2.sequoia.net> Message-ID: <002501c23dc8$ef96dbb0$51796244@cx288378c> The Lunch Club would like to take up Team Wyle and Tres Hombres on their challenge going for hard to get to caches. How about a double header - 1st one to The Observatory and The Observatory - Mine caches takes the prize? PS Never did find that darn railroad cache - death to urban and micro caches - lol. The Lunch Club ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 12:05 PM Subject: Az-Geocaching digest, Vol 1 #541 - 5 msgs > Send Az-Geocaching mailing list submissions to > az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > az-geocaching-request@listserv.azgeocaching.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Az-Geocaching digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: Tri Centennial (Justin Sever) > 2. Who's got the Ferrari (Koch, Dan) > 3. Re: Who's got the Ferrari (Tim Giron) > 4. RE: Who's got the Ferrari (Farquhar, Larry) > 5. RE: Who's got the Ferrari (Ford, Denny) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > From: "Justin Sever" > To: > Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial > Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:25:16 -0700 > Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > Way to go Scott! Great job on your 300th cache! I'm still waiting > for your "commercial cache". > > GREAT JOB! > > -Frobro Goose > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > From: "Koch, Dan" > To: "'listserv@azgeocaching.com'" > Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:40:28 -0700 > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Who's got the Ferrari > Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > From Frobro D-Dubs log on "AZ Railway Museum" cache: > > ...guy eventually came out and asked if we were on a scavenger hunt. We said > yes. He says he's had people coming for a month already. He first thought > something weird was going on when somebody drove up in a Ferrari and spent > 30 minutes climbing around the train... > > Ok, I have to ask...Which one of you has such a caching vehicle? > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:49:30 -0700 > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > From: Tim Giron > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Who's got the Ferrari > Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > That's "The Lunch Club". I only know because we were out there at the "AZ Railway Museum" that same day when they arrived. I thought Thomas Magnum or perhaps Sonny Crockett was pulling up! > > Tim > Team AZFastFeet > > >From Frobro D-Dubs log on "AZ Railway Museum" cache: > > > >...guy eventually came out and asked if we were on a scavenger hunt. We said > >yes. He says he's had people coming for a month already. He first thought > >something weird was going on when somebody drove up in a Ferrari and spent > >30 minutes climbing around the train... > > > >Ok, I have to ask...Which one of you has such a caching vehicle? > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > From: "Farquhar, Larry" > To: "'listserv@azgeocaching.com'" > Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Who's got the Ferrari > Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:03:47 -0700 > Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > My Jeep will still beat their Ferrari in a cache hunt - as long as I get to > choose which cache. :) > > Larry Farquhar > Team "Wyle E" > www.happy-wanderers.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Giron [mailto:tgiron@cox.net] > Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 10:50 AM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Who's got the Ferrari > > > That's "The Lunch Club". I only know because we were out there at the "AZ > Railway Museum" that same day when they arrived. I thought Thomas Magnum or > perhaps Sonny Crockett was pulling up! > > Tim > Team AZFastFeet > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 5 > From: "Ford, Denny" > To: "'listserv@azgeocaching.com'" > Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Who's got the Ferrari > Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:11:51 -0700 > Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > Yea, let's see the Ferrari make it to RIP! or 7 of 7. > Can you tell the jealousy in our tone. Yea you can. > > Tres Hombres > Denny > > -----Original Message----- > From: Farquhar, Larry [mailto:larry.farquhar@ipni.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 11:04 AM > To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' > Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Who's got the Ferrari > > > My Jeep will still beat their Ferrari in a cache hunt - as long as I get to > choose which cache. :) > > Larry Farquhar > Team "Wyle E" > www.happy-wanderers.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Giron [mailto:tgiron@cox.net] > Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 10:50 AM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Who's got the Ferrari > > > That's "The Lunch Club". I only know because we were out there at the "AZ > Railway Museum" that same day when they arrived. I thought Thomas Magnum or > perhaps Sonny Crockett was pulling up! > > Tim > Team AZFastFeet > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > End of Az-Geocaching Digest From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 04:21:00 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 00:21:00 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial Message-ID: Congrats from Team Evil Fish, Sorry for taking the place near your house... OK not really and good luck From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 04:57:42 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (B. Inskeep) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 21:57:42 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Congrats! In-Reply-To: <5EDEA14A2792394EA7D482E702C4C6DB0225402E@ipnismtp1.ipni.com> Message-ID: <000901c23dce$f830cbe0$71cdfea9@mpsaz.org> Congratulations to A&M, RopingtheWind, and Wyle E on your recent milestones! All we can say is WOW! We look to you in awe! Team BinsKeep -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Farquhar, Larry Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 8:10 AM To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial Congratulations RopingtheWind on your TERCENTENNIAL! Accomplished in 7 months. Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 05:48:48 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 22:48:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial Message-ID: <20020806224851.882.h006.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Congrats Scott! Also hiding any for others to find?? LOL Trisha "Lightning" "loran @cox" wrote: > > I add my congratulations to Scott of RopingtheWind for reaching 300. > > Loran (Team Sand Dollar) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ford, Denny <denny.ford6@honeywell.com> > To: <listserv@azgeocaching.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 7:28 AM > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial > > > > May I congratulate Roping the Wind on their 300 th find, and I met > them > when they were newbies, sniff sniff, good job . > > Now how many will you go without hiding a cache???? I think you have > already beat Team Sand dollars record. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jeakell@aol.com [mailto:Jeakell@aol.com] > > Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 8:13 PM > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Our Hero! > > > > > > This is probably out of character for us roadrunners, but a big > congrats > to Larry & Connie- Team Wyle E (our hero) on > > their 500 finds! > > Isn't the coyote supposed to be chasing the roadrunner? > > > > From one addicted team to another - may you find many more caches at > the > end of your rainbow..... > > See you out there! > > > > Jean & Kelly- "roadrunners" > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list > > listserv@azgeocaching.com > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Although no one can go back and make a brand new start, Anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 05:58:07 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 22:58:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial Message-ID: <20020806225810.16369.h003.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Dear Scott, we appreciate your TALKING about putting out a cache....and TALKING about all the details and ideas.....and I have a NewsFlash.....it's not that HARD! Just pick a good spot and do it! LOL Trisha "Lightning" On Tue, 06 August 2002, "Scott Nicol" wrote: > > > > > Thanks all and thanks Denny for reminding me that I havent hid a cache > yet! > :) LOL > > #300 was a fun cache find indeed! You can read my log entry on the > Humboldt > Mnt Cache to read more about it. Had a fun time. > > After setting a new record for the most finds with none hidden (is > there > such a record?!) :) LOL, we are ready to hide our first cache. I have > an > ammo box in my posession (I also have 2 Altoids cans!). We have 2 or 3 > places in mind to put our first cache. We just have to figure out how > to get > to them! :) HAHHEHEHEAHHAHHEHHEEE LOL Rest assured that not even a > Jeep will > be able to go there! > > As far as the container goes: I have basically taken a 100' tall > Ponderosa > pine (the cache container) and gutted it out as to be able to hold the > contents of the cache. We will place it somewhere on the Mogollon Rim. > It is > designed to blend in well with it's surroundings. LOL Just kidding! :) > > We plan to place our first cache sometime in September hopefully. We > will be > out of state on August 16th thru the 3rd of September to compete in > the US > National Balloon Championships as well as a couple other competitions > (Albuquerque, NM * Houston, TX * Waco, TX). Once we return, we will be > setting our sights on hiding our first cache! :) Of course, that will > be > after we get all cought up with all the new caches that will probably > be > placed while we are away from geocaching for 3 weeks! :) > > I am starting to get worried about the 500 waypoint limitation on my > Garmin > GPS! I have like 410 not found in AZ! > > Looking forward to my next 300! > > Scott > Team Ropingthewind > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Although no one can go back and make a brand new start, Anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 06:05:19 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 23:05:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Who's got the Ferrari Message-ID: <20020806230520.1445.h009.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> I drove a red Ferrari around for awhile...oh, about 20 years ago, while dating a doctor! Fun car, impractical for some applications. Trisha "Lightning" Prescott Valley "Koch, Dan" wrote: > > From Frobro D-Dubs log on "AZ Railway Museum" cache: > > ...guy eventually came out and asked if we were on a scavenger hunt. > We said > yes. He says he's had people coming for a month already. He first > thought > something weird was going on when somebody drove up in a Ferrari and > spent > 30 minutes climbing around the train... > > Ok, I have to ask...Which one of you has such a caching vehicle? > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Although no one can go back and make a brand new start, Anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 12:09:29 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Farquhar, Larry) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 05:09:29 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial Message-ID: <5EDEA14A2792394EA7D482E702C4C6DB022540D9@ipnismtp1.ipni.com> Way to go Team CHUMP! - Another TERCENTENNIAL plateau reached! Congratulations! Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 13:14:15 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (WOLFB8) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 06:14:15 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial References: <5EDEA14A2792394EA7D482E702C4C6DB022540D9@ipnismtp1.ipni.com> Message-ID: <006c01c23e15$9b44ae00$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C23DD9.A8020F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable my congrad to all the new mile stone reached.............=20 We will be known by the tracks we leave behind ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Farquhar, Larry=20 To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com'=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 5:09 AM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial Way to go Team CHUMP! - Another TERCENTENNIAL plateau reached! Congratulations! Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C23DD9.A8020F20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

my congrad to all the new mile = stone=20 reached.............

We will be known by the tracks we leave behind

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Farquhar, Larry

To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com'=20

Sent: Wednesday, August 07, = 2002 5:09=20 AM

Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] = Tri=20 Centennial

Way to go Team CHUMP! - Another TERCENTENNIAL plateau=20 reached!
Congratulations!

Larry Farquhar
Team "Wyle = E"
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http://www.azgeocaching.com ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C23DD9.A8020F20-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 13:17:20 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Eric Quinn) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 06:17:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) In-Reply-To: <1028586136.30928.8.camel@fone.snaptek.com> Message-ID: <20020807131720.49021.qmail@web13106.mail.yahoo.com> Front page news on the Arizona Republic. You can read it on the web at http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0807cache07.html Lake Pleasant and the White Tanks are the areas named. The article seemed short on proof that geocachers were responsible. I think that we're about to see a number of government agencies pull caches that they didn't know exists or knew about but didn't care about. I also think that the addage "there's no such thing as bad publicity" is going to generate a ton of geocaching activity this weekend and next from new cachers. Eric TD __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 14:14:05 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (WOLFB8) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:14:05 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) References: <20020807131720.49021.qmail@web13106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007f01c23e1c$b7b516e0$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007A_01C23DE2.03A45600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Interesting ....... I do agree with some point that they made....I am in = to archaeology ...and know of some really kewl places that I wanted to = share with other geocacher...not sure how they would respect the area I = hide a cache about .1 mile from the site and in the log book told cacher = how to get to the site ....if they wanted to explore it..... for what I = can tell from the logs only 3 people took the time to look around.... = most were into the cache and go bit..... now I know that everyone of = them would have gone and seen the site if the got score for it.... I = do believe that we have a right to visit all the archaeological site = that are on public lands.....but I also think that virtual caches should = be used at them to help prevent damage..... lets face it if each one of = us turned over just one rock when looking for a cache.....after 20 = people the landscape would look totally different..... From reading the = article we all know what caches they are talking about.... just my 2 cents We will be known by the tracks we leave behind ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Eric Quinn=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 6:17 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) Front page news on the Arizona Republic. You can read it on the web at http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0807cache07.html Lake Pleasant and the White Tanks are the areas named. The article seemed short on proof that geocachers were responsible.=20 I think that we're about to see a number of government agencies pull caches that they didn't know exists or knew about but didn't care about. I also think that the addage "there's no such thing as bad publicity" is going to generate a ton of geocaching activity this weekend and next from new cachers. Eric TD __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com ------=_NextPart_000_007A_01C23DE2.03A45600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Interesting ....... I do agree with = some point that=20 they made....I am in to archaeology ...and=20 know of some really kewl places that I wanted to share with other=20 geocacher...not sure how they would respect the area I hide a cache = about .1=20 mile from the site and in the log book told cacher how to get to the=20 site ....if they wanted to explore it..... for what I can tell from = the=20 logs only 3 people took the time to look around.... most were into the = cache and=20 go bit..... now I know that everyone of them would have gone and seen = the site=20 if the got score for it.... I do believe that we have = a right=20 to visit all the archaeological site that are on public lands.....but I = also=20 think that virtual caches should be used at them to help prevent = damage.....=20 lets face it if each one of us turned over just one rock when looking = for a=20 cache.....after 20 people the landscape would look totally = different..... From=20 reading the article we all know what caches they are talking=20 about....

just my 2 cents

We will be known by the tracks we leave behind

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Eric = Quinn=20

To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Wednesday, August 07, = 2002 6:17=20 AM

Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = Destruction=20 of geological site(s?)

Front page news on = the Arizona=20 Republic. You can read
it on the web at
http://w= ww.azcentral.com/news/articles/0807cache07.html

Lake=20 Pleasant and the White Tanks are the areas named.
The article = seemed short=20 on proof that geocachers were
responsible.

I think that = we're about=20 to see a number of government
agencies pull caches that they didn't = know=20 exists or
knew about but didn't care about. I also think = that
the addage=20 "there's no such thing as bad publicity" is
going to generate a ton = of=20 geocaching activity this
weekend and next from new=20 = cachers.

Eric
TD

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http://www.azgeocaching.com ------=_NextPart_000_007A_01C23DE2.03A45600-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 14:28:33 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Farquhar, Larry) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:28:33 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) Message-ID: <5EDEA14A2792394EA7D482E702C4C6DB022540E6@ipnismtp1.ipni.com> I'm sure this reporter wanted to talk to a few of us, like she did with Brian. I received two Emails from her asking that I call her. I don't trust reporters, as they often have a hidden agenda. After reading the article, I don't think anything I would have said would have changed the article. Part of me agrees with the article, in that geocaches shouldn't be hidden "at" an archeological sites. However, I really appreciate being taken to these sites. I find them interesting. If a cache is going to be located near a sensitive area, I would prefer to have a cache hidden nearby, with a mention of "check out the petroglyphs 400' to the SW" (or something along these lines). We've seen this on a few caches. A virtual cache would be my second choice. I hate to say it, but we also can't 100% say that a geocacher wouldn't vandalize an archeological site. Being an open, un-regulated game, any person can seek a cache. I seriously doubt any of the cacher's I've met would ever destroy our lands, but I've only met a couple dozen caching teams in Arizona. What's stopping someone from getting the coordinates to a location, going out there, throwing beer cans all over the trail, driving off the trail, and shooting up a ruin? No - I don't like it one bit either. But it could happen. It's the old adage - "One rotten apple can ruin the whole bunch". However, this problem isn't unique to geocaching. Many good, legal 4WD trails get closed because some "rotten apples" throw trash all over and don't stay on the trails. Many ghost town's are mentioned in numerous books telling people where they are and "rotten apples" have gone out and destroyed them. I have mixed feelings on public land issues. I feel public lands should remain open for access by the public. However, the public needs to respect the land (which can't be enforced without closing access). I constantly wonder how anyone who enjoys the outdoors would trash it. But we all see it, all the time. Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 14:38:04 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Farquhar, Larry) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:38:04 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) Message-ID: <5EDEA14A2792394EA7D482E702C4C6DB022540E7@ipnismtp1.ipni.com> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C23E20.0A24BA90 Content-Type: text/plain Anyone care to share which cache is being referred to in the White Tanks? There's a few caches there I haven't done. The ones that I have done in the White Tanks - I can't think of any of them being an archeological site. You can Email me privately. Libby - I know one of your caches that I wanted to visit the nearby archeological site, but it was late in the day. We looked at it with binoculars and still plan to visit it someday. Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com -----Original Message----- From: WOLFB8 [mailto:Wolfb8@cox.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 7:14 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) Interesting ....... I do agree with some point that they made....I am in to archaeology ...and know of some really kewl places that I wanted to share with other geocacher...not sure how they would respect the area I hide a cache about .1 mile from the site and in the log book told cacher how to get to the site ....if they wanted to explore it..... for what I can tell from the logs only 3 people took the time to look around.... most were into the cache and go bit..... now I know that everyone of them would have gone and seen the site if the got score for it.... I do believe that we have a right to visit all the archaeological site that are on public lands.....but I also think that virtual caches should be used at them to help prevent damage..... lets face it if each one of us turned over just one rock when looking for a cache.....after 20 people the landscape would look totally different..... From reading the article we all know what caches they are talking about.... just my 2 cents We will be known by the tracks we leave behin ------_=_NextPart_001_01C23E20.0A24BA90 Content-Type: text/html Message

Anyone care to share which cache is being referred to in the White Tanks? There's a few caches there I haven't done. The ones that I have done in the White Tanks - I can't think of any of them being an archeological site. You can Email me privately.

Libby - I know one of your caches that I wanted to visit the nearby archeological site, but it was late in the day. We looked at it with binoculars and still plan to visit it someday.

Larry Farquhar
Team "Wyle E"
www.happy-wanderers.com

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Interesting ....... I do agree with some point that they made....I am in to archaeology ...and know of some really kewl places that I wanted to share with other geocacher...not sure how they would respect the area I hide a cache about .1 mile from the site and in the log book told cacher how to get to the site ....if they wanted to explore it..... for what I can tell from the logs only 3 people took the time to look around.... most were into the cache and go bit..... now I know that everyone of them would have gone and seen the site if the got score for it.... I do believe that we have a right to visit all the archaeological site that are on public lands.....but I also think that virtual caches should be used at them to help prevent damage..... lets face it if each one of us turned over just one rock when looking for a cache.....after 20 people the landscape would look totally different..... From reading the article we all know what caches they are talking about....

just my 2 cents

We will be known by the tracks we leave behin

------_=_NextPart_001_01C23E20.0A24BA90-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 14:50:15 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:50:15 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) Message-ID: <20020807145015.DCZG26656.fed1mtao04.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Ok.. so the mistery of who stole the cache from A Sign From The Past III has been solved. From the description of this article there is no doubt that Truman Peters is the one that took it. I take offense at the article and believe he is lying about the theft of articles and damaging trails. A very few senior AZ geocachers have visited this site and I am confident that they did not damage the site. There is nothing to damage or “steal” at this site as he claims in his statement to the press. The site is mearly a set of LARGE boulders (very hard to steal) that have petroglyphs on them. I saw no signs of pottery shards or any signs of nearby ruins or artifacts. There are no trails to the site and therefore it would have it is impossible for someone to have “damaged” them. When we placed this cache we parked on a 4x4 road and walked to the site. While at this site we never saw ANY no trespassing signs, permits required, vehicle restrictions, or any other indications that the area was restricted. As for Truman Peters saying he made a note I have “never” received any notification from him even though the cache contained the standard geocache letter about requesting the cache be removed. How did he leave this note? At the site? there were several geocachers that visited the site and could not find it after it was removed. Did he nail it to a tree? Etch it into the Rocks? Leave it in the container that he took? I think any of the very few that visited this site will verify that it was not “trashed” as he claims to the newspaper. This whole artical seems to be a slam on our hobby and an attempt to make geocachers the scapegoat. I take offense at his arrogant attitude of “stay away from our archaeological sites” since when did he take ownership of these sites? I found this site by looking at a topgraphical map and it was clearly marked on the map as containing petroglyphs! This site is public and I believe that everyone has a right to visit these areas to view them. What good are they if they keep them secret and no one has an opportunity to enjoy their history and beauty? I have a great respect for these ancient sites and when we visit them we only take “photographs”. When I find these site in the future I will no longer place an actual cache but will post them as a Virtual so that everyone can enjoy them. WhereRWee? Ken > > From: Eric Quinn > Date: 2002/08/07 Wed AM 09:17:20 EDT > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) > > Front page news on the Arizona Republic. You can read > it on the web at > http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0807cache07.html > > Lake Pleasant and the White Tanks are the areas named. > The article seemed short on proof that geocachers were > responsible. > > I think that we're about to see a number of government > agencies pull caches that they didn't know exists or > knew about but didn't care about. I also think that > the addage "there's no such thing as bad publicity" is > going to generate a ton of geocaching activity this > weekend and next from new cachers. > > > Eric > TD > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > http://health.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 14:59:07 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (loran @cox) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:59:07 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) References: <20020807131720.49021.qmail@web13106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002801c23e22$fafd2720$0400a8c0@one> One problem I have noticed in geocaching is that we tend to try and drive as close to a site as we can. To keep this game intact we must take care to not hide the cache in a sensitive area and to inform cacher when it is inappropriate to drive, 4WD, or ATV into an area. This will cut down on wear and tear of an area. We need to keep the rangers happy if we don't want to lose our game. Libby's cache is a good example of how to place a cache near a site without actually disturbing the site. With the reference a cacher finds out about the site nearby and it is there decision whether or not to visit. Since all cache site show wear over time this method removes the chance of a hidden cache disturbing the actual site. I too can not think of which site in the White Tanks they are referring. I have figured out which site in the Lake Pleasant area and believe the ranger is more concerned with wear and tear to the area and not vandalizing. Just my thoughts Team Sand Dollar ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Quinn To: Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 6:17 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) > Front page news on the Arizona Republic. You can read > it on the web at > http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0807cache07.html > > Lake Pleasant and the White Tanks are the areas named. > The article seemed short on proof that geocachers were > responsible. > > I think that we're about to see a number of government > agencies pull caches that they didn't know exists or > knew about but didn't care about. I also think that > the addage "there's no such thing as bad publicity" is > going to generate a ton of geocaching activity this > weekend and next from new cachers. > > > Eric > TD > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > http://health.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 14:53:21 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ford, Denny) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:53:21 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) Message-ID: If you will notice, there is a email link to the writer of this article. I think as a group we should express our concern of her true lack of evidence. We all know that we attempt to minimize the effects of the environment, and if we do not speak up, she will believe she was correct. Denny From Tres Hombres -----Original Message----- From: WOLFB8 [mailto:Wolfb8@cox.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 7:14 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) Interesting ....... I do agree with some point that they made....I am in to archaeology ...and know of some really kewl places that I wanted to share with other geocacher...not sure how they would respect the area I hide a cache about .1 mile from the site and in the log book told cacher how to get to the site ....if they wanted to explore it..... for what I can tell from the logs only 3 people took the time to look around.... most were into the cache and go bit..... now I know that everyone of them would have gone and seen the site if the got score for it.... I do believe that we have a right to visit all the archaeological site that are on public lands.....but I also think that virtual caches should be used at them to help prevent damage..... lets face it if each one of us turned over just one rock when looking for a cache.....after 20 people the landscape would look totally different..... From reading the article we all know what caches they are talking about.... just my 2 cents We will be known by the tracks we leave behind ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Quinn To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 6:17 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) Front page news on the Arizona Republic. You can read it on the web at http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0807cache07.html Lake Pleasant and the White Tanks are the areas named. The article seemed short on proof that geocachers were responsible. I think that we're about to see a number of government agencies pull caches that they didn't know exists or knew about but didn't care about. I also think that the addage "there's no such thing as bad publicity" is going to generate a ton of geocaching activity this weekend and next from new cachers. Eric TD __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 14:53:48 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bob Renner) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:53:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Who's got the Ferrari In-Reply-To: <20020806230520.1445.h009.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: <20020807145348.16639.qmail@web9009.mail.yahoo.com> Trisha, Twenty years ago! Were you old enough to drive then? Bob --- trisha@brasher.com wrote: > I drove a red Ferrari around for awhile...oh, about > 20 years ago, > while dating a doctor! Fun car, impractical for some > applications. > Trisha "Lightning" > Prescott Valley __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 15:04:40 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Sara Buchmann) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 08:04:40 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) Message-ID: It surprises me that someone would take something from an archeological site or leave garbage behind. The concept of geocaching is to locate a cache, sign the log, and "look" at new surroundings. There are a few new cache spots I would like to create but I'm not sure if they meet regulations. I figure that the spots wouldn't be approved if they present a problem. I am new to geocaching but have already found some interesting spots that I wouldn't have seen otherwise. I really hope the few bad apples don't ruin the opportunity for us to create new caches in other interesting places. Sweepea >From: "Farquhar, Larry" >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >To: "'listserv@azgeocaching.com'" >Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) >Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:28:33 -0700 > >I'm sure this reporter wanted to talk to a few of us, like she did with >Brian. I received two Emails from her asking that I call her. I don't trust >reporters, as they often have a hidden agenda. After reading the article, I >don't think anything I would have said would have changed the article. > >Part of me agrees with the article, in that geocaches shouldn't be hidden >"at" an archeological sites. However, I really appreciate being taken to >these sites. I find them interesting. If a cache is going to be located >near >a sensitive area, I would prefer to have a cache hidden nearby, with a >mention of "check out the petroglyphs 400' to the SW" (or something along >these lines). We've seen this on a few caches. A virtual cache would be my >second choice. > >I hate to say it, but we also can't 100% say that a geocacher wouldn't >vandalize an archeological site. Being an open, un-regulated game, any >person can seek a cache. I seriously doubt any of the cacher's I've met >would ever destroy our lands, but I've only met a couple dozen caching >teams >in Arizona. What's stopping someone from getting the coordinates to a >location, going out there, throwing beer cans all over the trail, driving >off the trail, and shooting up a ruin? No - I don't like it one bit either. >But it could happen. > >It's the old adage - "One rotten apple can ruin the whole bunch". > >However, this problem isn't unique to geocaching. Many good, legal 4WD >trails get closed because some "rotten apples" throw trash all over and >don't stay on the trails. Many ghost town's are mentioned in numerous books >telling people where they are and "rotten apples" have gone out and >destroyed them. > >I have mixed feelings on public land issues. I feel public lands should >remain open for access by the public. However, the public needs to respect >the land (which can't be enforced without closing access). I constantly >wonder how anyone who enjoys the outdoors would trash it. But we all see >it, >all the time. > >Larry Farquhar >Team "Wyle E" >www.happy-wanderers.com > >_______________________________________________ >Az-Geocaching mailing list >listserv@azgeocaching.com >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > >Arizona's Geocaching Resource >http://www.azgeocaching.com _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 15:20:58 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Farquhar, Larry) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:20:58 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) Message-ID: <5EDEA14A2792394EA7D482E702C4C6DB022540EE@ipnismtp1.ipni.com> Welcome Sweepea! Don't let this political thread discourage you. As you've discovered, geocaching does present us with many interesting, scenic and historical places to visit. Then we go looking for a little box. :) I'm having a difficult time deciding what new area to go explore this weekend! So many places to visit - so little time. Hope to see you on the trails sometime! Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 15:28:37 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Farquhar, Larry) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:28:37 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Ferrari Message-ID: <5EDEA14A2792394EA7D482E702C4C6DB022540F2@ipnismtp1.ipni.com> Aha Lunch Club! My challenge was to "beat a Ferrari" in a cache hunt. I see you already took an ATV up to 'The Observatory' and 'The Observatory - Mine caches'. Let's see a picture of the Ferrari by the mine and the observatory. :) However, I never looked at those cache pages. They look like great cache hunts. Hmmm... sounds like a possible fun double-header this Saturday. Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com -----Original Message----- From: skydad [mailto:skydad@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 9:15 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Ferrari The Lunch Club would like to take up Team Wyle and Tres Hombres on their challenge going for hard to get to caches. How about a double header - 1st one to The Observatory and The Observatory - Mine caches takes the prize? PS Never did find that darn railroad cache - death to urban and micro caches - lol. The Lunch Club From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 16:10:30 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bob Renner) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:10:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) In-Reply-To: <5EDEA14A2792394EA7D482E702C4C6DB022540EE@ipnismtp1.ipni.com> Message-ID: <20020807161030.61014.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com> I found the newspaper article very one sided and blown way out of proportion. I think it was written with the intent of grabbing attention and selling papers and not with the intent of providing true and accurate information. It did not mention if any of the archeologic sites were open to the public such as Libby's Casa Grande Ruins cache or Ken's A Sign From The Past IV cache at Sears-Kay ruins near Seven Springs. If those are any of the 18 caches at or near archeologic sites, then the article is blatently misleading. There was no mention of the Cache-In, Trash-Out program and the good it has done at many cache sites. One other thing that wasn't mentioned is the fact that there are numerous other sources of information about archeological sites that can be used by those intent on plundering. A quick search found the following books available at Amazon.com that most likely mention remote sites. 1. Ancient Treasures of the Southwest: A Guide to Archeological Sites and Museums in Arizona, Southern Colorado, New Mexico, and Utah, by Franklin Folsom, Mary Elting Folsom (Contributor), Rachel Folsom (Illustrator) 2. Ancient Ruins of the Southwest: An Archaeological Guide by David Grant Noble (Photographer), Brad Melton (Editor) 3. The Archaeology of Ancient Arizona by James Jefferson Reid, Stephanie Whittlesey, Jefferson Reid And finally, there are companies that provide tours of Arizona's backcountry and point out such sites. http://www.pinkjeep.com/ "History enthusiasts will be awed by the opportunity to visit Authentic Native American Ruin sites, a very unique Sedona tour." http://www.archaeologicadventures.com/ "We offer our guests the unique opportunity to probe the mysteries of the past, to touch history and feel it come alive while participating in a hands-on working field program to map and record unexplored archaeological sites." Bob Renner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 16:21:10 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jason Poulter) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 09:21:10 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) References: <20020807131720.49021.qmail@web13106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D5148F6.3060100@snaptek.com> if the sites are so important and sensitive and secret why are they not fenced off with no trespassing signs. i always obey posted signs in an area... and have the proper permits to go on the land if need be. i always respect the environment an have my whole life, i even pack out other peoples trash... jason Eric Quinn wrote: > Front page news on the Arizona Republic. You can read > it on the web at > http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0807cache07.html > > Lake Pleasant and the White Tanks are the areas named. > The article seemed short on proof that geocachers were > responsible. > > I think that we're about to see a number of government > agencies pull caches that they didn't know exists or > knew about but didn't care about. I also think that > the addage "there's no such thing as bad publicity" is > going to generate a ton of geocaching activity this > weekend and next from new cachers. > > > Eric > TD > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > http://health.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 16:56:35 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bob Renner) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:56:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Speaking of challenges... In-Reply-To: <5EDEA14A2792394EA7D482E702C4C6DB022540F2@ipnismtp1.ipni.com> Message-ID: <20020807165635.29181.qmail@web9010.mail.yahoo.com> Forget the Ferraris, forget the Jeeps, forget the BUFPUTs. Whichever Arizona cacher is first to my "GCNP Little Colorado River Confluence" cache by way of hiking/backpacking and not a rafting trip, will get a free lunch on me. http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=29171 Any takers? Bob Renner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 16:41:57 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 09:41:57 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) In-Reply-To: <20020807131720.49021.qmail@web13106.mail.yahoo.com> References: <1028586136.30928.8.camel@fone.snaptek.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020807093936.00a81060@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 06:17 AM 8/7/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Lake Pleasant and the White Tanks are the areas named. >The article seemed short on proof that geocachers were >responsible. A very interesting article. Did any one else get the impression that the people quoted in the article were more upset that "normal" people were going to places that until now only they knew about? I get so tired of the elitism associated with a lot of land stewardship. I don't know anyone in the geocaching community that would intentionally destroy anything that was mentioned in the article, and the article seems to declare guilt my mere association. Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 16:43:43 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 09:43:43 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) In-Reply-To: <007f01c23e1c$b7b516e0$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> References: <20020807131720.49021.qmail@web13106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020807094257.00a80470@mail.myblueheaven.com> --=====================_2783854==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:14 AM 8/7/2002 -0700, you wrote: >the got score for it.... I do believe that we have a right to visit all >the archaeological site that are on public lands.....but I also think that >virtual caches should be used at them to help prevent damage..... lets >face it if From the article it sounds like they don't want you to have the right to visit those areas, and they would also object to any virtual caches. Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache --=====================_2783854==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 07:14 AM 8/7/2002 -0700, you wrote:

the got score for it.... I do believe that we have a right to visit all the archaeological site that are on public lands.....but I also think that virtual caches should be used at them to help prevent damage..... lets face it if

From the article it sounds like they don't want you to have the right to visit those areas, and they would also object to any virtual caches.

Scott

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--=====================_2783854==_.ALT-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 16:52:30 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 09:52:30 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Ferrari In-Reply-To: <5EDEA14A2792394EA7D482E702C4C6DB022540F2@ipnismtp1.ipni.co m> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020807095127.00a834d0@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 08:28 AM 8/7/2002 -0700, you wrote: >My challenge was to "beat a Ferrari" in a cache hunt. I see you already took >an ATV up to 'The Observatory' and 'The Observatory - Mine caches'. Let's >see a picture of the Ferrari by the mine and the observatory. :) > >However, I never looked at those cache pages. They look like great cache >hunts. Hmmm... sounds like a possible fun double-header this Saturday. I have had those caches on my watch list since I first discovered them. The area looks fascinating. I plan making the trip north in the land cruiser this fall to go and find them. Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 17:58:01 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:58:01 EDT Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) Message-ID: <7f.2a490204.2a82b9a9@aol.com> --part1_7f.2a490204.2a82b9a9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perhaps the article should have been written about ATVs and 4x4s. We have noticed that there is a definite correlation in the amount of trash and the vehicle access. When you are in areas where you must travel by foot, there is a very small amount of trash. But when you are in areas where vehicles can go, there are always bud light cans by the case and a bunch of other crap one can only wonder why someone took the trouble to haul it way out there, unless it was to use it for target practice and leave it behind. We say TRASHY PEOPLE HAVE TRASHY WAYS. These are the same idiots who throw fast food wrappers out the window on I-17 thinking "someone" else will pick it up. I offer the following rewrite of the article: An off road vehicle rampage has caused a panic among authorites who say the offroaders are destroying archaelogical sites around the state. Using jeeps and ATVs the slobs can literally drive right to more than 600 sites throughout arizona and vandalize artifacts and throw trash out the window.... Just another case of a few ruining it for the many. Maybe we have finally stumbled upon who leaves those AOL cds in the caches? LOL Jean roadrunners --part1_7f.2a490204.2a82b9a9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perhaps the article should have been written about ATVs and 4x4s. We have noticed that there is a definite correlation in the amount of trash and the vehicle access. When you are in areas where you must travel by foot, there is a very small amount of trash. But when you are in areas where vehicles can go, there are always bud light cans by the case and a bunch of other crap one can only wonder why someone took the trouble to haul it way out there, unless it was to use it for target practice and leave it behind. We say TRASHY PEOPLE HAVE TRASHY WAYS. These are the same idiots who throw fast food wrappers out the window on I-17 thinking "someone" else will pick it up. I offer the following rewrite of the article:

An off road vehicle rampage has caused a panic among authorites who say the offroaders are destroying archaelogical sites around the state. Using jeeps and ATVs the slobs can literally drive right to more than 600 sites throughout arizona and vandalize artifacts and throw trash out the window....

Just another case of a few ruining it for the many. Maybe we have finally stumbled upon who leaves those AOL cds in the caches? LOL

Jean
roadrunners --part1_7f.2a490204.2a82b9a9_boundary-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 17:59:56 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Justin Sever) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:59:56 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020807093936.00a81060@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: <001d01c23e3c$3fff96f0$0200a8c0@laptop7500> I sent this to the reporter and BCC'd the listserv, but it didn't make to through to the listserv, so here is a copy: Ms. Leonard, I read your article today, and to be honest was quite disturbed with some of the items that you had written about. I don't want to criticize your article without knowing all of the facts, and that is why I am writing you. In your article you mentioned that several archaeological sites throughout the state have been vandalized by geocachers. You also mentioned that trash was left behind, at several of the geocaching sites. My question to you is, what is the proof that you have that vandalism was performed by geocachers and that geocachers were responsible for trash being left? Is this strictly based on the words of the stewards, or is there evidence that geocaching is responsible? I would appreciate your response, so that I might be better informed as to what facts you received for this article, as opposed to opinions so that I can better understand the validity of your accusations. Thanks you, Justin Sever -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Scott Wood Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 9:42 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) At 06:17 AM 8/7/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Lake Pleasant and the White Tanks are the areas named. >The article seemed short on proof that geocachers were responsible. A very interesting article. Did any one else get the impression that the people quoted in the article were more upset that "normal" people were going to places that until now only they knew about? I get so tired of the elitism associated with a lot of land stewardship. I don't know anyone in the geocaching community that would intentionally destroy anything that was mentioned in the article, and the article seems to declare guilt my mere association. Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 18:00:36 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bell, Robert) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:00:36 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] FW: Archeaological Damage Message-ID: I sent the following email in response to the misleading story in the Republic today. I don't expect to hear anything back, but if I do, I'll foward along. Rob Team CHUMP > -----Original Message----- > From: Bell, Robert > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 10:46 > To: 'christina.leonard@arizonarepublic.com' > Subject: Archeaological Damage > > > Ms. Leonard, > As an avid geocacher, I read with interest your article this morning > regarding damage to the Lake Pleasant area. Geocachers are > typically responsible outdoor enthusiasts, with a great > respect for the environment. One of the fundamental rules of the > game is to place containers in areas that are public and will not > damage the area in any way. The fact that vandalism occurred in > an area where a geocache was located seems to be circumstantial, > There are hundreds of geocaches all over the state. One > could make the claim that any vandalism may be near a geocache, > however obviously most if not all other geocaches have not had any > vandalism in those areas, as evidenced by the lack of any other agency > reporting a similiar problem. If the steward feels the cache is making > people aware of a site they don't want people to visit, they should > contact the person via the website with their concerns and the cache > would be removed. > > By reading your article, is appears the site is not marked in any way > to indicate the area is not open for public use. If the area is to be > restricted, it seems reasonable to expect that the area have a fence > or no trespassing signs indicating such. Since most outdoor > recreationists > are not geocachers, the presence or not of a geocache will not effect > vandalism, which as your article suggests, has always occurred. > > The motto of geocaching is "cache in, trash out". Far from destroying > areas, geocachers will often clean up areas where we go. We aware > that our activity could cause damage to areas and use existing trails > and roads. Most of our members are well educated responsible people > and we enjoy our beautiful country and strive to maintain it. Geocaching > is a wonderful educational game that has taken me and my son to areas > in my state and country I had never seen, and taught me things I hadn't > known. > I know my peers feel the same way. > > > I would also like to submit this letter for editorial page consideration. > > Regards, > Robert Bell > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 18:13:05 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Justin Sever) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:13:05 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) In-Reply-To: <7f.2a490204.2a82b9a9@aol.com> Message-ID: <002101c23e3e$136f2220$0200a8c0@laptop7500> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C23E03.67104A20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know what you are talking about in reference to the AOL CD's??? http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=30537 ;) -Frobro Goose -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Jeakell@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 10:58 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) Perhaps the article should have been written about ATVs and 4x4s. We have noticed that there is a definite correlation in the amount of trash and the vehicle access. When you are in areas where you must travel by foot, there is a very small amount of trash. But when you are in areas where vehicles can go, there are always bud light cans by the case and a bunch of other crap one can only wonder why someone took the trouble to haul it way out there, unless it was to use it for target practice and leave it behind. We say TRASHY PEOPLE HAVE TRASHY WAYS. These are the same idiots who throw fast food wrappers out the window on I-17 thinking "someone" else will pick it up. I offer the following rewrite of the article: An off road vehicle rampage has caused a panic among authorites who say the offroaders are destroying archaelogical sites around the state. Using jeeps and ATVs the slobs can literally drive right to more than 600 sites throughout arizona and vandalize artifacts and throw trash out the window.... Just another case of a few ruining it for the many. Maybe we have finally stumbled upon who leaves those AOL cds in the caches? LOL Jean roadrunners ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C23E03.67104A20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

I=20 don't know what you are talking about in reference to the AOL=20 CD's???

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-Frobro Goose

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Perhaps=20 the article should have been written about ATVs and 4x4s. We have = noticed that=20 there is a definite correlation in the amount of trash and the vehicle = access.=20 When you are in areas where you must travel by foot, there is a very = small=20 amount of trash. But when you are in areas where vehicles can go, = there are=20 always bud light cans by the case and a bunch of other crap one can = only=20 wonder why someone took the trouble to haul it way out there, unless = it was to=20 use it for target practice and leave it behind. We say TRASHY PEOPLE = HAVE=20 TRASHY WAYS. These are the same idiots who throw fast food wrappers = out the=20 window on I-17 thinking "someone" else will pick it up. I offer the = following=20 rewrite of the article:

An off road vehicle rampage has caused = a panic=20 among authorites who say the offroaders are destroying archaelogical = sites=20 around the state. Using jeeps and ATVs the slobs can literally drive = right to=20 more than 600 sites throughout arizona and vandalize artifacts and = throw trash=20 out the window....

Just another case of a few ruining it for = the many.=20 Maybe we have finally stumbled upon who leaves those AOL cds in the = caches?=20 LOL

Jean
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------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C23E03.67104A20-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 18:21:20 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 11:21:20 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] FW: Archeaological Damage In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020807111925.00a83050@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 11:00 AM 8/7/2002 -0700, you wrote: >I sent the following email in response to the misleading story >in the Republic today. I don't expect to hear anything back, >but if I do, I'll foward along. The following is what I sent this morning: ----------- I just read your article about geocaching. As an active geocacher in the Tucson area, and feel that your article was very misleading and one sided. You never presented any evidence that geocaching was the cause of the vandalism of the sites mentioned. The hobby was just declared guilty by mere association. While it is possible that people out geocaching could have caused the damage, there was never any evidence to indicate that it was. I also have a problem with the elitist attitudes of those interviewed for your article. The article mentions that they hike the area regularly, but they seem to have a problem with us "normal" people hiking the same areas that they visit regularly. These are public lands, not their personal play grounds. As an avid geocacher and 4 wheel drive enthusiast, I make great efforts to leave no trace of my visiting an area. I enjoyed the outdoors long before the advent of geocaching, and will continue to enjoy the outdoors long after I quit geocaching, but I take great offense at the notion that all geocachers should be lumped into the same group. While there might be irresponsible geocachers out there, they are also going to be irresponsible regardless of what their outdoor activity is. I am not a high tech vandal. ------------ The following was the response that I received, in it's entirety. ----------- Thanks for the note. It sounds like you respect the environment, so I don't think that the damage sources spoke about in the story was aimed at you. ------------- In liberty, Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 18:15:39 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 11:15:39 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) In-Reply-To: <001d01c23e3c$3fff96f0$0200a8c0@laptop7500> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020807093936.00a81060@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020807111439.00a853e0@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 10:59 AM 8/7/2002 -0700, you wrote: >I sent this to the reporter and BCC'd the listserv, but it didn't make >to through to the listserv, so here is a copy: I sent her an e-mail that is actually very close to what you wrote. I got a very short reply back from her, she simply said that most likely the article was not aimed at me since I seem to respect the environment. She answered none of my questions. Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 18:56:54 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brent Milner) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:56:54 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) In-Reply-To: <20020807161030.61014.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bob, I hope you are planning on forwarding that e-mail to the author of that article, Christina Leonard. Her address is christina.leonard@arizonarepublic.com Your e-mail mentioned a lot of good points that she either failed to consider, or refused to consider for the sake of adding drama and eliciting emotional responses from her readers. Thanks, FroBro Q-Tip -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Bob Renner Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 9:11 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) I found the newspaper article very one sided and blown way out of proportion. I think it was written with the intent of grabbing attention and selling papers and not with the intent of providing true and accurate information. It did not mention if any of the archeologic sites were open to the public such as Libby's Casa Grande Ruins cache or Ken's A Sign From The Past IV cache at Sears-Kay ruins near Seven Springs. If those are any of the 18 caches at or near archeologic sites, then the article is blatently misleading. There was no mention of the Cache-In, Trash-Out program and the good it has done at many cache sites. One other thing that wasn't mentioned is the fact that there are numerous other sources of information about archeological sites that can be used by those intent on plundering. A quick search found the following books available at Amazon.com that most likely mention remote sites. 1. Ancient Treasures of the Southwest: A Guide to Archeological Sites and Museums in Arizona, Southern Colorado, New Mexico, and Utah, by Franklin Folsom, Mary Elting Folsom (Contributor), Rachel Folsom (Illustrator) 2. Ancient Ruins of the Southwest: An Archaeological Guide by David Grant Noble (Photographer), Brad Melton (Editor) 3. The Archaeology of Ancient Arizona by James Jefferson Reid, Stephanie Whittlesey, Jefferson Reid And finally, there are companies that provide tours of Arizona's backcountry and point out such sites. http://www.pinkjeep.com/ "History enthusiasts will be awed by the opportunity to visit Authentic Native American Ruin sites, a very unique Sedona tour." http://www.archaeologicadventures.com/ "We offer our guests the unique opportunity to probe the mysteries of the past, to touch history and feel it come alive while participating in a hands-on working field program to map and record unexplored archaeological sites." Bob Renner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 19:01:41 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Dennis Wodarz) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:01:41 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] GCNP LIttle Colorado Message-ID: <000601c23e44$ddb74930$02ff3841@woodlaptop> I've been to that site via a rafting trip a couple years back. I'll see if I can dig up the pictures to post just to give folks an idea of what is in store for them there. The water color is amazing. It's really a very memorable place. Another thing to note about this site is that it marks the beginning of the Grand Canyon. The Colorado flows through Marble Canyon before this point. FroBro D-Dubs From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 19:03:52 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 15:03:52 EDT Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) Message-ID: <3f.f959542.2a82c918@aol.com> --part1_3f.f959542.2a82c918_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I too sent an email to the reporter voicing my displeasure. Perhaps if enough of us write to complain, she will either present more evidence or offer a retraction. Remember the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Jean roadrunners --part1_3f.f959542.2a82c918_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I too sent an email to the reporter voicing my displeasure. Perhaps if enough of us write to complain, she will either present more evidence or offer a retraction. Remember the squeaky wheel gets the grease.
Jean
roadrunners --part1_3f.f959542.2a82c918_boundary-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 19:09:50 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ford, Denny) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:09:50 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] FW: High Tech Scavenger Hunt Message-ID: I too sent an email to the author of the article, at the bottom was my original letter, then in the middle her entire response, and then my rebuttal to her comments of intent to inform. Denny Tres Hombres -----Original Message----- From: Ford, Denny Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 11:01 AM To: 'christina.leonard@arizonarepublic.com' Subject: RE: High Tech Scavenger Hunt I understand that it was written to inform, but you really did not portray the geocacher as who we are. You took the word of a park ranger, and without facts on who actually did do this vandalism, and pointed the blame at the entire Geocaching group. It would be the same if you blamed the hunters for leaving trash in the desert, just because some of them have been used for target practice when the trash was thrown out by someone else. If something is not factually based, please do not slant it that way. That is how the article came across as fact not an opinion. The desert and wilderness are wonderful places, I have been an avid outdoorsman, and I teach my sons to respect nature, but at the same time enjoy it. I have had the pleasure of meeting a large number of the truly dedicated geocachers, and all are very responsible, and when we see something that is harmful we police ourselves. All we ask is to portray us as who we are, not a bunch of uncaring vandals. sincerely Denny Ford -----Original Message----- From: christina.leonard@arizonarepublic.com [mailto:christina.leonard@arizonarepublic.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 10:08 AM To: Ford, Denny Subject: Re: High Tech Scavenger Hunt I certainly wasn't attacking geocachers. The article was written to inform, that's it. I hope you understand that. "Ford, Denny" cc: Composed Subject: High Tech Scavenger Hunt Date:08/07/2002 07:33 AM Ms. Leonard I read your article and my concern is your lack of evidence. In the past year that I have been Geocaching, as a group we are very aware of laws that impact our sport. The allegation that geocacher's use ATV's to get to the cache site is somewhat absurd. If you would have investigated it more completely, and gone to the websites and read some of the logs, you would realize most is done with hiking or on four wheel drive trails. GeoCachers are not the only people that use the wilderness. The comment of leaving trash is also absurd, one of the statements commonly used is "cache in and trash out". If you studied the demographics of this sport you would find that a majority of it is middle aged men, with there families that work in technical jobs. We are not a bunch of teenagers out just romping in the desert. I will grant you that there might have been some caches placed near archeological sites, but can you tell me a place that clearly defines where they are located. Most of the caches that I have visited will point out where some interesting locations might be in the area, so they can be visited. I have never seen one hidden directly in the area of any archeological sites, and I have personally found nearly 300 caches. I think before you put accusations in print, you should have all the facts. In closing the sites that are used to place a cache are known from previous visits, either by camping, hunting or hiking in the area. This sport introduces people to new parts of the state, and the goal is always to maintain the environment. You noticed I said maintain and not preserve, if you have lived in Arizona all of your life you will understand that the desert in constantly changing and fluctuating with the climate. Yes I agree that people do visit, but as a group we always try to minimize our presence in an area. >From a concerned Geocacher and Arizona Native. Denny Ford From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 19:41:04 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brent Milner) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:41:04 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I wrote my response to the paper. I hope I wasn't too wordy, but once I get on a roll, it's tough to stop. I also tried not to be too bitter, but sometimes I can't help it. :) -FroBro Q-Tip Hi Ms. Leonard, I read your article titled "High-tech scavenger hunt threatens archaeological sites" this morning. I am shocked by the story. I am an Arizona native, and a brand new "Geocacher" as of last month. Most of my experiences have been in urban areas, not out on state parkland. I imagine you will probably get a lot of alarmed responses regarding your story (as is the nature of your business), because there are a few things written as fact. For example, you wrote that although geocaching is fun and enjoyable, "...it's also having disturbing effects: People are creating new trails, leaving trash behind and vandalizing some of the state's most valuable archaeological assets, places that had remained hidden for centuries." I think without solid proof, you cannot blame geocachers for this destruction. How do you know that geocaching is causing this? You simply don't know, unless someone confesses to it, or you catch it on camera or something. To be honest, I wish you did have some concrete evidence. This way, the guilty people can be dealt with, and geocaching can avoid the black eye you've given it with irresponsible presumptions. I do not claim that all geocachers are clean and respectful of the land. I cannot state that, because it would be impossible to know the thousands of people worldwide who enjoy this hobby. However, I also cannot say that there are no reporters who embellish truths in their stories so that they might create emotional responses within their readership. I don't know all reporters, either. But you've certainly selected your words with thought, saying that geocachers "stumble upon Indian ruins, artifacts and petroglyphs..." as if we're a clumsy crew of pirates looking to loot the treasures of undiscovered lands. It's simply unfair that you let one or two people completely slant your story against the geocaching community. Who's to say they didn't take the artifacts for themselves, and point the blame on the geocachers? I know that sounds ridiculous, but then again, isn't it ridiculous that a park ranger would start a forest fire (referring to the Colorado fire earlier this summer). This email is already too long. I'm sure you have plenty of other things to do. All I ask is that you get both sides of the story in future articles, before you let one group's opinions materialize themselves as fact within the pages of your publication. Thank You, Brent Milner milner@unicon.net From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 19:53:51 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bell, Robert) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:53:51 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial Message-ID: Larry, you just couldn't wait to use that big word again, could you?? (grin) Thanks!! First one to 1000 wins a Ferrari! Team CHUMP -----Original Message----- From: Farquhar, Larry [mailto:larry.farquhar@ipni.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 5:09 To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial Way to go Team CHUMP! - Another TERCENTENNIAL plateau reached! Congratulations! Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 20:05:18 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bell, Robert) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:05:18 -0700 Subject: FW: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) Message-ID: I agree. This is the front page of the AZ Republic today, and I was told geocaching was also a topic on NPR this morning, although I can't find any reference on their website. I am considering archiving or making some of my caches members only until some of this blows over. I would, as always welcome new members, but unlike the Tribune article, am not sure that is what will occur with this negative portrayl in the Republic. Rob Team CHUMP -----Original Message----- From: Eric Quinn [mailto:halthron@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 6:17 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) Front page news on the Arizona Republic. You can read it on the web at http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0807cache07.html Lake Pleasant and the White Tanks are the areas named. The article seemed short on proof that geocachers were responsible. I think that we're about to see a number of government agencies pull caches that they didn't know exists or knew about but didn't care about. I also think that the addage "there's no such thing as bad publicity" is going to generate a ton of geocaching activity this weekend and next from new cachers. Eric TD __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 20:06:19 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Koch, Dan) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:06:19 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial Message-ID: Rob, are you buying it for the winner? -----Original Message----- From: Bell, Robert [mailto:Robert.Bell@eclipsys.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 12:54 PM To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial Larry, you just couldn't wait to use that big word again, could you?? (grin) Thanks!! First one to 1000 wins a Ferrari! Team CHUMP -----Original Message----- From: Farquhar, Larry [mailto:larry.farquhar@ipni.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 5:09 To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial Way to go Team CHUMP! - Another TERCENTENNIAL plateau reached! Congratulations! Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 20:07:29 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Farquhar, Larry) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:07:29 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial Message-ID: <5EDEA14A2792394EA7D482E702C4C6DB0225411D@ipnismtp1.ipni.com> Yep. You just need to get going, so I can use the word QUADCENTENNIAL! Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com -----Original Message----- From: Bell, Robert [mailto:Robert.Bell@eclipsys.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 12:54 PM To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial Larry, you just couldn't wait to use that big word again, could you?? (grin) Thanks!! First one to 1000 wins a Ferrari! Team CHUMP From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 20:13:44 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ford, Denny) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:13:44 -0700 Subject: [AZ-Geocaching] Tri Centennial Message-ID: If that is the case, I might need to take some time off work and try to hit that 1000 mark, but unless Rob is hiding a pile of money, I am not sure he could afford one, unless it is the matchbox type. -----Original Message----- From: Koch, Dan [mailto:Dan.Koch@eclipsys.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 1:06 PM To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial Rob, are you buying it for the winner? -----Original Message----- From: Bell, Robert [mailto:Robert.Bell@eclipsys.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 12:54 PM To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial Larry, you just couldn't wait to use that big word again, could you?? (grin) Thanks!! First one to 1000 wins a Ferrari! Team CHUMP -----Original Message----- From: Farquhar, Larry [mailto:larry.farquhar@ipni.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 5:09 To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial Way to go Team CHUMP! - Another TERCENTENNIAL plateau reached! Congratulations! Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 20:28:26 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bell, Robert) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:28:26 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial Message-ID: Sure! They can even choose the color!! (it has to fit in a cache, right?) -----Original Message----- From: Koch, Dan [mailto:Dan.Koch@eclipsys.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 13:06 To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial Rob, are you buying it for the winner? -----Original Message----- From: Bell, Robert [mailto:Robert.Bell@eclipsys.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 12:54 PM To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial Larry, you just couldn't wait to use that big word again, could you?? (grin) Thanks!! First one to 1000 wins a Ferrari! Team CHUMP -----Original Message----- From: Farquhar, Larry [mailto:larry.farquhar@ipni.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 5:09 To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial Way to go Team CHUMP! - Another TERCENTENNIAL plateau reached! Congratulations! Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 20:38:19 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ford, Denny) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:38:19 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial Message-ID: Hey could a storage unit be a cache, it is metal, and with enough rocks and bushes, we could hide it. -----Original Message----- From: Bell, Robert [mailto:Robert.Bell@eclipsys.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 1:28 PM To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial Sure! They can even choose the color!! (it has to fit in a cache, right?) -----Original Message----- From: Koch, Dan [mailto:Dan.Koch@eclipsys.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 13:06 To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial Rob, are you buying it for the winner? -----Original Message----- From: Bell, Robert [mailto:Robert.Bell@eclipsys.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 12:54 PM To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial Larry, you just couldn't wait to use that big word again, could you?? (grin) Thanks!! First one to 1000 wins a Ferrari! Team CHUMP -----Original Message----- From: Farquhar, Larry [mailto:larry.farquhar@ipni.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 5:09 To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial Way to go Team CHUMP! - Another TERCENTENNIAL plateau reached! Congratulations! Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 20:43:52 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Koch, Dan) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:43:52 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial Message-ID: So for my next cache container, I'll be using a garage... -----Original Message----- From: Bell, Robert [mailto:Robert.Bell@eclipsys.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 1:28 PM To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial Sure! They can even choose the color!! (it has to fit in a cache, right?) -----Original Message----- From: Koch, Dan [mailto:Dan.Koch@eclipsys.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 13:06 To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial Rob, are you buying it for the winner? -----Original Message----- From: Bell, Robert [mailto:Robert.Bell@eclipsys.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 12:54 PM To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial Larry, you just couldn't wait to use that big word again, could you?? (grin) Thanks!! First one to 1000 wins a Ferrari! Team CHUMP -----Original Message----- From: Farquhar, Larry [mailto:larry.farquhar@ipni.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 5:09 To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial Way to go Team CHUMP! - Another TERCENTENNIAL plateau reached! Congratulations! Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 20:52:36 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bell, Robert) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:52:36 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial Message-ID: Sorry guys. I buy the car, I choose the cache container. Do they even make yellow ferraris? Just making a prediction here.... -----Original Message----- From: Koch, Dan [mailto:Dan.Koch@eclipsys.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 13:44 To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial So for my next cache container, I'll be using a garage... -----Original Message----- From: Bell, Robert [mailto:Robert.Bell@eclipsys.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 1:28 PM To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial Sure! They can even choose the color!! (it has to fit in a cache, right?) -----Original Message----- From: Koch, Dan [mailto:Dan.Koch@eclipsys.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 13:06 To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial Rob, are you buying it for the winner? -----Original Message----- From: Bell, Robert [mailto:Robert.Bell@eclipsys.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 12:54 PM To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial Larry, you just couldn't wait to use that big word again, could you?? (grin) Thanks!! First one to 1000 wins a Ferrari! Team CHUMP -----Original Message----- From: Farquhar, Larry [mailto:larry.farquhar@ipni.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 5:09 To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial Way to go Team CHUMP! - Another TERCENTENNIAL plateau reached! Congratulations! Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 21:03:15 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Eric Quinn) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:03:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Ferrari In-Reply-To: <5EDEA14A2792394EA7D482E702C4C6DB022540F2@ipnismtp1.ipni.com> Message-ID: <20020807210315.51296.qmail@web13106.mail.yahoo.com> Careful Larry, anyone who can afford a Ferarri can also afford a chopper rental to carry the car to a cache. ;) Eric TD --- "Farquhar, Larry" wrote: > Aha Lunch Club! > > My challenge was to "beat a Ferrari" in a cache > hunt. I see you already took > an ATV up to 'The Observatory' and 'The Observatory > - Mine caches'. Let's > see a picture of the Ferrari by the mine and the > observatory. :) > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 21:05:03 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Cody Brown) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:05:03 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial Message-ID: Yellow Ferraris?? I sure hope not. On the Yellow Jeep subject, Wyle's "Yellow Jeep Fever" collection album will be on display at the campout. Only a couple more states to finish it. What to do then?? Hmmmm? Cody Team CBX2 |---------+---------------------------------------------> | | "Bell, Robert" | | | | | | Sent by: | | | az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeo| | | caching.com | | | | | | | | | 08/07/02 01:52 PM | | | Please respond to listserv | | | | |---------+---------------------------------------------> >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: "'listserv@azgeocaching.com'" | | cc: | | Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial | >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| Sorry guys. I buy the car, I choose the cache container. Do they even make yellow ferraris? Just making a prediction here.... -----Original Message----- From: Koch, Dan [mailto:Dan.Koch@eclipsys.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 13:44 To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial So for my next cache container, I'll be using a garage... -----Original Message----- From: Bell, Robert [mailto:Robert.Bell@eclipsys.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 1:28 PM To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial Sure! They can even choose the color!! (it has to fit in a cache, right?) -----Original Message----- From: Koch, Dan [mailto:Dan.Koch@eclipsys.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 13:06 To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial Rob, are you buying it for the winner? -----Original Message----- From: Bell, Robert [mailto:Robert.Bell@eclipsys.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 12:54 PM To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial Larry, you just couldn't wait to use that big word again, could you?? (grin) Thanks!! First one to 1000 wins a Ferrari! Team CHUMP -----Original Message----- From: Farquhar, Larry [mailto:larry.farquhar@ipni.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 5:09 To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Tri Centennial Way to go Team CHUMP! - Another TERCENTENNIAL plateau reached! Congratulations! Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 21:44:45 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 17:44:45 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) Message-ID: Just a question, How many Caches have been closed due to vandalism?? Team Evil Fish From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 21:51:55 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Sara Buchmann) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:51:55 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] FW: Archeaological Damage Message-ID: In the spirit of being a squeaky wheel I sent our friend Ms. Leonard a response to the article also: Dear Ms. Leonard, I am a member of the gocaching community you wrote of in your article today. I read it and was disturbed by the bad publicity you have given us. Many other members in the geocaching community were disturbed and sent responses to the article. Through our "hi-tech" communication I read some of the responses you gave. The gist of the response is that you are just trying to "inform" the public. Some of the poeple I work with know that I'm a Goecacher. One of them walked up and asked if I read the article. He proceded to say, "You and your friends are ruining archaeological sites." This person is not a geocacher, he is not a park ranger, he simply read the article and received what you were trying to "inform" him of. The members of our geocaching community are now worried about what will come from this bad publicity. I ask that you retract the article and write another article to include include our "Cache in, Trash Out" plan. This plan allows members to post pictures of the clean up they do when visiting sites. This will "inform" the public that we are making an effort to keep our cache sites clean and counteract the accusation that we are threatening archaeological sites.. Sweepea _________________________________________________________________ Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 22:10:05 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:10:05 EDT Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) Message-ID: <6e.20b87b1a.2a82f4bd@aol.com> --part1_6e.20b87b1a.2a82f4bd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My letter to the author of the article and her reply: I was disturbed after reading your article "A high-tech scavenger hunt" in today's paper. I am an avid geocacher and am wondering how you arrived at the conclusion that a cacher was responsible for the damage? I have logged nearly 400 finds and have not seen any evidence of damage, vandalism, or trash at any of the sites I have visited. I am wondering why you directed your criticism at geocaching and not toward ATV riders? It seems the damage is directly linked to ATV riders, not geocachers. All the cachers I know really love the outdoors and try to leave the area as good or even better than it was when they arrived. We all support a "cache in-trash out" policy. More information would be appreciated, because if geocaching is truly responsible for vandalism, we would like to do our part to help eliminate the problem. the reply: Thanks for your note. I'd be happy to discuss the issue with you, but would prefer to do it over the phone (602) 444-4845. Thanks. Guess a phone call is in order. Jean roadrunners --part1_6e.20b87b1a.2a82f4bd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My letter to the author of the article and her reply:

I was disturbed after reading your article "A high-tech scavenger hunt" in today's paper. I am an avid geocacher and am wondering how you arrived at the conclusion that a cacher was responsible for the damage? I have logged nearly 400 finds and have not seen any evidence of damage, vandalism, or trash at any of the sites I have visited. I am wondering why you directed your criticism at geocaching and not toward ATV riders? It seems the damage is directly linked to ATV riders, not geocachers. All the cachers I know really love the outdoors and try to leave the area as good or even better than it was when they arrived. We all support a "cache in-trash out" policy. More information would be appreciated, because if geocaching is truly responsible for vandalism, we would like to do our part to help eliminate the problem.

the reply:

Thanks for your note. I'd be happy to discuss the issue with you, but would
prefer to do it over the phone (602) 444-4845. Thanks.

Guess a phone call is in order.
Jean
roadrunners --part1_6e.20b87b1a.2a82f4bd_boundary-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 22:33:48 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 15:33:48 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) In-Reply-To: <6e.20b87b1a.2a82f4bd@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020807153246.00a7c570@mail.myblueheaven.com> --=====================_9155631==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:10 PM 8/7/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Thanks for your note. I'd be happy to discuss the issue with you, but would >prefer to do it over the phone (602) 444-4845. Thanks. > >Guess a phone call is in order. I just got my second message from her, the second mentions that she saw my message on this listserv. I plan on calling her, but I am a little short handed at work this afternoon so most likely won't be able to until tomorrow morning. Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache --=====================_9155631==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 06:10 PM 8/7/2002 -0400, you wrote:

Thanks for your note. I'd be happy to discuss the issue with you, but would
prefer to do it over the phone (602) 444-4845. Thanks.

Guess a phone call is in order.

I just got my second message from her, the second mentions that she saw my message on this listserv. I plan on calling her, but I am a little short handed at work this afternoon so most likely won't be able to until tomorrow morning.

Scott

Team My Blue Heaven

www.myblueheaven.com/geocache

--=====================_9155631==_.ALT-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 23:01:21 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bob Renner) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 16:01:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] GCNP LIttle Colorado In-Reply-To: <000601c23e44$ddb74930$02ff3841@woodlaptop> Message-ID: <20020807230121.74132.qmail@web9010.mail.yahoo.com> Dennis, If you can find the pictures that would be great. The only ones I have from when I was there are 35mm slides and I don't have the means to scan them like I could if they were prints. Bob --- Dennis Wodarz wrote: > I've been to that site via a rafting trip a couple > years back. I'll see > if I can dig up the pictures to post just to give > folks an idea of what > is in store for them there. The water color is > amazing. It's really a > very memorable place. Another thing to note about > this site is that it > marks the beginning of the Grand Canyon. The > Colorado flows through > Marble Canyon before this point. > > FroBro D-Dubs > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 23:11:18 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Fleg .) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 17:11:18 -0600 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) Message-ID: Wow this post is almost as bad as the article writen about geocachers. 4X4's and ATV's do this, Jeeps and ATV's destroy that.... Once again a select few give the rest of us a black eye. Now you know how it feels. Michael Team TJ ----Original Message Follows---- Perhaps the article should have been written about ATVs and 4x4s. We have noticed that there is a definite correlation in the amount of trash and the vehicle access. When you are in areas where you must travel by foot, there is a very small amount of trash. But when you are in areas where vehicles can go, there are always bud light cans by the case and a bunch of other crap one can only wonder why someone took the trouble to haul it way out there, unless it was to use it for target practice and leave it behind. We say TRASHY PEOPLE HAVE TRASHY WAYS. These are the same idiots who throw fast food wrappers out the window on I-17 thinking "someone" else will pick it up. I offer the following rewrite of the article: An off road vehicle rampage has caused a panic among authorites who say the offroaders are destroying archaelogical sites around the state. Using jeeps and ATVs the slobs can literally drive right to more than 600 sites throughout arizona and vandalize artifacts and throw trash out the window.... Just another case of a few ruining it for the many. Maybe we have finally stumbled upon who leaves those AOL cds in the caches? LOL Jean roadrunners _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 23:23:18 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 19:23:18 EDT Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) Message-ID: <83.1ec6491d.2a8305e6@aol.com> geeeeeze slamed from both sides and ive done neither.....as a responsable Geocacher and offroder I resent both acusations....sure there are some in any group...Ive even seen irresponable backpackers....how dare they hike in the wilderness! From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 23:30:07 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jason Poulter) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 16:30:07 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] GCNP LIttle Colorado References: <20020807230121.74132.qmail@web9010.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D51AD7F.8020308@snaptek.com> i can scan slides!! if ya wanna hook up sometime we can scan them puppies up jason Bob Renner wrote: > Dennis, > > If you can find the pictures that would be great. The > only ones I have from when I was there are 35mm slides > and I don't have the means to scan them like I could > if they were prints. > > Bob > > --- Dennis Wodarz wrote: > >>I've been to that site via a rafting trip a couple >>years back. I'll see >>if I can dig up the pictures to post just to give >>folks an idea of what >>is in store for them there. The water color is >>amazing. It's really a >>very memorable place. Another thing to note about >>this site is that it >>marks the beginning of the Grand Canyon. The >>Colorado flows through >>Marble Canyon before this point. >> >>FroBro D-Dubs >>_______________________________________________ >>Az-Geocaching mailing list >>listserv@azgeocaching.com >> > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > >>Arizona's Geocaching Resource >>http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > http://health.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 23:36:00 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 16:36:00 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) In-Reply-To: <83.1ec6491d.2a8305e6@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020807163422.00a87ec0@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 07:23 PM 8/7/2002 -0400, you wrote: >geeeeeze slamed from both sides and >ive done neither.....as a responsable Geocacher and offroder I resent both >acusations....sure there are some in any group...Ive even seen irresponable >backpackers....how dare they hike in the wilderness! At the rate I am going, I might as well just park the land cruiser in the garage and forget about driving it off road. Not only am I bad person because I geocache, but i'm a bad person because I like to 4 wheel. Oh yeah, I like to target shoot also and we know how evil gun owners are. Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 7 23:56:25 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 19:56:25 EDT Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) Message-ID: <175.c9be88c.2a830da9@aol.com> --part1_175.c9be88c.2a830da9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/7/2002 4:13:44 PM US Mountain Standard Time, fleigle@hotmail.com writes: > Wow this post is almost as bad as the article writen about geocachers. > 4X4's and ATV's do this, Jeeps and ATV's destroy that.... Once again a > select few give the rest of us a black eye. Now you know how it feels. > > Michael > Team TJ > > That was my point exactly. I happen to enjoy 4x4ing, dirt bike riding, and yes, even target practice. No offense was intended and I apologize if any was taken. I was simply trying to point out how the few can ruin it for the many. Jean roadrunners --part1_175.c9be88c.2a830da9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/7/2002 4:13:44 PM US Mountain Standard Time, fleigle@hotmail.com writes:

Wow this post is almost as bad as the article writen about geocachers.
4X4's and ATV's do this, Jeeps and ATV's destroy that.... Once again a
select few give the rest of us a black eye. Now you know how it feels.

Michael
Team TJ

That was my point exactly. I happen to enjoy 4x4ing, dirt bike riding, and yes, even target practice. No offense was intended and I apologize if any was taken. I was simply trying to point out how the few can ruin it for the many.

Jean
roadrunners --part1_175.c9be88c.2a830da9_boundary-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 00:17:47 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (loran @cox) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:17:47 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) References: <20020807131720.49021.qmail@web13106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00a701c23e71$067d59a0$0400a8c0@one> At least it's going to be easy to figure out which geocachers are doing all the damage according to the article. Only 5 teams have been to the site near Lake Pleasant and 3 teams have been to the site in the White Tanks. OK now confess up. Loran (Team Sand Dollar) ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Quinn To: Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 6:17 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) > Front page news on the Arizona Republic. You can read > it on the web at > http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0807cache07.html > > Lake Pleasant and the White Tanks are the areas named. > The article seemed short on proof that geocachers were > responsible. > > I think that we're about to see a number of government > agencies pull caches that they didn't know exists or > knew about but didn't care about. I also think that > the addage "there's no such thing as bad publicity" is > going to generate a ton of geocaching activity this > weekend and next from new cachers. > > > Eric > TD > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > http://health.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 00:40:46 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Fleg .) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 18:40:46 -0600 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) Message-ID: Sorry, I totally missed your point!! Its funny that the 4X4 community has been fighting this type of one sided bad press for years and now my newest hobby comes under the same kind of one biased attacks. Michael Team TJ ----Original Message Follows---- That was my point exactly. I happen to enjoy 4x4ing, dirt bike riding, and yes, even target practice. No offense was intended and I apologize if any was taken. I was simply trying to point out how the few can ruin it for the many. Jean roadrunners _________________________________________________________________ Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 00:58:09 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:58:09 EDT Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) Message-ID: <53.1aa37603.2a831c21@aol.com> --part1_53.1aa37603.2a831c21_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The first time I've heard of your organization was when I read the article in this morning's edition of the Arizona Republic. I promptly came home from breakfast and located your website for more information. What you do for kicks seems to be a complete waste of time and a clear sign of a bunch of people who don't have enough to do. However, it also appears to be perfectly legal so if that happens to flip your switch, - - have at it. BUT, - - DON'T DO IT IN MY BACKYARD. Now having passed the intro, I'll give you a few things to ponder. We happen to have a remote parcel of land not too far from the Phoenix metro area. It sits at the end of a primitive road that crosses a wide swath of public land. The property is an isolated parcel, the entry gate is locked and posted and, depending on how you count, it is surrounded by at least 60,000 acres of public land. Now, perhaps you clean living folk can tell me why it is that instead of recreating on land that is owned by every citizen, a vast number of uninvited trespassers find the need to walk, ride, climb, go around or crawl under our gate to look, play, trash, steal and vandalize. They shoot holes in our signs, trees, rocks, and fences and let their dogs and horses shit on every available flat spot. The leave their Frito bags, pop cans and tracks; - - hiking boot or ATV, - - it's still a track. They avail themselves of the green grass as a mating ground and used condom depository. Now save your breath if you're getting ready to tell me that you don't do that sort of thing. As a preamble to telling hundreds of intrusive bastards to get the hell out and stay out, I patiently explain why they are not welcome. So far, I've heard the same indignant retort from almost every damned one of them. It goes something like this: "I've been coming here for more than ___________ years and I've never left so much as a cigarette butt of gum wrapper". "I always carry out my own trash and pick up the other guy's litter when I leave". In order for me to believe that, I've got to also believe some raving idiot in an aerial tanker is kicking out a dumpster full of crap at least monthly. (Considering the number of beer cans and vodka bottles, I suppose it could be an America West crew). To make bad matters worse the property is home to some very significant archeological sites and petroglyphs. Those people who never disturb anything have also used them for small arms and pistol targets and have chiseled away at some of the ancient artwork. They climb around on them like they're the Jungle Gym of the ancients. With whatever instrument they have the dexterity to master they have etched their names on every thing within reach. To provide more detail is to give directions to the place which will only invite more trouble, so let me try to sum it up for you: 1. When you enter private property, do it as I would do if I entered your home. Wait 'til you're invited. 2. If you are possessed with the overwhelming urge to screw up property, either do it at home or on public land where you at least hold some smattering of an ownership interest. 3. If you see a locked gate and a sign that clearly tells you to stay out, then STAY THE HELL OUT! 4. If you happen to be among the illiterate minority, just study and memorize the shape of the letters, N-O - - T-R-E-S-P-A-S-S-I-N-G. Thanks, and Good Geocaching, Ed --part1_53.1aa37603.2a831c21_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The first time I've heard of your organization was when I read the article in this morning's edition of the Arizona Republic. I promptly came home from breakfast and located your website for more information. What you do for kicks seems to be a complete waste of time and a clear sign of a bunch of people who don't have enough to do. However, it also appears to be perfectly legal so if that happens to flip your switch, - - have at it.

BUT, - - DON'T DO IT IN MY BACKYARD.

Now having passed the intro, I'll give you a few things to ponder.

We happen to have a remote parcel of land not too far from the Phoenix metro area. It sits at the end of a primitive road that crosses a wide swath of public land. The property is an isolated parcel, the entry gate is locked and posted and, depending on how you count, it is surrounded by at least 60,000 acres of public land.

Now, perhaps you clean living folk can tell me why it is that instead of recreating on land that is owned by every citizen, a vast number of uninvited trespassers find the need to walk, ride, climb, go around or crawl under our gate to look, play, trash, steal and vandalize. They shoot holes in our signs, trees, rocks, and fences and let their dogs and horses shit on every available flat spot. The leave their Frito bags, pop cans and tracks; - - hiking boot or ATV, - - it's still a track. They avail themselves of the green grass as a mating ground and used condom depository.

Now save your breath if you're getting ready to tell me that you don't do that sort of thing. As a preamble to telling hundreds of intrusive bastards to get the hell out and stay out, I patiently explain why they are not welcome. So far, I've heard the same indignant retort from almost every damned one of them. It goes something like this:
"I've been coming here for more than ___________ years and I've never left so much as a cigarette butt of gum wrapper". "I always carry out my own trash and pick up the other guy's litter when I leave".

In order for me to believe that, I've got to also believe some raving idiot in an aerial tanker is kicking out a dumpster full of crap at least monthly. (Considering the number of beer cans and vodka bottles, I suppose it could be an America West crew).

To make bad matters worse the property is home to some very significant archeological sites and petroglyphs. Those people who never disturb anything have also used them for small arms and pistol targets and have chiseled away at some of the ancient artwork. They climb around on them like they're the Jungle Gym of the ancients. With whatever instrument they have the dexterity to master they have etched their names on every thing within reach.

To provide more detail is to give directions to the place which will only invite more trouble, so let me try to sum it up for you:

1. When you enter private property, do it as I would do if I entered your home. Wait 'til you're invited.

2. If you are possessed with the overwhelming urge to screw up property, either do it at home or on public land where you at least hold some smattering of an ownership interest.

3. If you see a locked gate and a sign that clearly tells you to stay out, then STAY THE HELL OUT!

4. If you happen to be among the illiterate minority, just study and memorize the shape of the letters, N-O - - T-R-E-S-P-A-S-S-I-N-G.

Thanks, and Good Geocaching,

Ed

--part1_53.1aa37603.2a831c21_boundary-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 01:02:31 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Justin Sever) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:02:31 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] FW: Response to "A high-tech scavenger hunt" Message-ID: <005201c23e77$460cf5c0$0200a8c0@laptop7500> This was the response that I got from the reporter in reguards to the e-mail that I sent her this morning. It looks like she had built a canned response after all of the e-mails that she has been getting this morning. I wonder how the editor would feel about all of the e-mail from the concerned citizens regarding this article? -------------------------------- Thanks for your note. I'd be happy to discuss the issue with you, but would prefer to do it over the phone. I'm at (602) 444-4845 if you would like to talk about it. Thanks. -------------------------------- Ms. Leonard, I read your article today, and to be honest was quite disturbed with some of the items that you had written about. I don't want to criticize your article without knowing all of the facts, and that is why I am writing you. In your article you mentioned that several archaeological sites throughout the state have been vandalized by geocachers. You also mentioned that trash was left behind, at several of the geocaching sites. My question to you is, what is the proof that you have that vandalism was performed by geocachers and that geocachers were responsible for trash being left? Is this strictly based on the words of the stewards, or is there evidence that geocaching is responsible? I would appreciate your response, so that I might be better informed as to what facts you received for this article, as opposed to opinions so that I can better understand the validity of your accusations. Thanks you, Justin Sever From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 01:14:17 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (James Brill) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:14:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) In-Reply-To: <53.1aa37603.2a831c21@aol.com> Message-ID: <20020808011417.41100.qmail@web9204.mail.yahoo.com> --0-560846043-1028769257=:40931 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii And to think that all of this started BEFORE geocaching. Atlas Edchil38@aol.com wrote:The first time I've heard of your organization was when I read the article in this morning's edition of the Arizona Republic. I promptly came home from breakfast and located your website for more information. What you do for kicks seems to be a complete waste of time and a clear sign of a bunch of people who don't have enough to do. However, it also appears to be perfectly legal so if that happens to flip your switch, - - have at it. BUT, - - DON'T DO IT IN MY BACKYARD. Now having passed the intro, I'll give you a few things to ponder. We happen to have a remote parcel of land not too far from the Phoenix metro area. It sits at the end of a primitive road that crosses a wide swath of public land. The property is an isolated parcel, the entry gate is locked and posted and, depending on how you count, it is surrounded by at least 60,000 acres of public land. Now, perhaps you clean living folk can tell me why it is that instead of recreating on land that is owned by every citizen, a vast number of uninvited trespassers find the need to walk, ride, climb, go around or crawl under our gate to look, play, trash, steal and vandalize. They shoot holes in our signs, trees, rocks, and fences and let their dogs and horses shit on every available flat spot. The leave their Frito bags, pop cans and tracks; - - hiking boot or ATV, - - it's still a track. They avail themselves of the green grass as a mating ground and used condom depository. Now save your breath if you're getting ready to tell me that you don't do that sort of thing. As a preamble to telling hundreds of intrusive bastards to get the hell out and stay out, I patiently explain why they are not welcome. So far, I've heard the same indignant retort from almost every damned one of them. It goes something like this: "I've been coming here for more than ___________ years and I've never left so much as a cigarette butt of gum wrapper". "I always carry out my own trash and pick up the other guy's litter when I leave". In order for me to believe that, I've got to also believe some raving idiot in an aerial tanker is kicking out a dumpster full of crap at least monthly. (Considering the number of beer cans and vodka bottles, I suppose it could be an America West crew). To make bad matters worse the property is home to some very significant archeological sites and petroglyphs. Those people who never disturb anything have also used them for small arms and pistol targets and have chiseled away at some of the ancient artwork. They climb around on them like they're the Jungle Gym of the ancients. With whatever instrument they have the dexterity to master they have etched their names on every thing within reach. To provide more detail is to give directions to the place which will only invite more trouble, so let me try to sum it up for you: 1. When you enter private property, do it as I would do if I entered your home. Wait 'til you're invited. 2. If you are possessed with the overwhelming urge to screw up property, either do it at home or on public land where you at least hold some smattering of an ownership interest. 3. If you see a locked gate and a sign that clearly tells you to stay out, then STAY THE HELL OUT! 4. If you happen to be among the illiterate minority, just study and memorize the shape of the letters, N-O - - T-R-E-S-P-A-S-S-I-N-G. Thanks, and Good Geocaching, Ed --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better --0-560846043-1028769257=:40931 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

And to think that all of this started BEFORE geocaching.

Atlas

Edchil38@aol.com wrote:

The first time I've heard of your organization was when I read the article in this morning's edition of the Arizona Republic. I promptly came home from breakfast and located your website for more information. What you do for kicks seems to be a complete waste of time and a clear sign of a bunch of people who don't have enough to do. However, it also appears to be perfectly legal so if that happens to flip your switch, - - have at it.

BUT, - - DON'T DO IT IN MY BACKYARD.

Now having passed the intro, I'll give you a few things to ponder.

We happen to have a remote parcel of land not too far from the Phoenix metro area. It sits at the end of a primitive road that crosses a wide swath of public land. The property is an isolated parcel, the entry gate is locked and posted and, depending on how you count, it is surrounded by at least 60,000 acres of public land.

Now, perhaps you clean living folk can tell me why it is that instead of recreating on land that is owned by every citizen, a vast number of uninvited trespassers find the need to walk, ride, climb, go around or crawl under our gate to look, play, trash, steal and vandalize. They shoot holes in our signs, trees, rocks, and fences and let their dogs and horses shit on every available flat spot. The leave their Frito bags, pop cans and tracks; - - hiking boot or ATV, - - it's still a track. They avail themselves of the green grass as a mating ground and used condom depository.

Now save your breath if you're getting ready to tell me that you don't do that sort of thing. As a preamble to telling hundreds of intrusive bastards to get the hell out and stay out, I patiently explain why they are not welcome. So far, I've heard the same indignant retort from almost every damned one of them. It goes something like this:
"I've been coming here for more than ___________ years and I've never left so much as a cigarette butt of gum wrapper". "I always carry out my own trash and pick up the other guy's litter when I leave".

In order for me to believe that, I've got to also believe some raving idiot in an aerial tanker is kicking out a dumpster full of crap at least monthly. (Considering the number of beer cans and vodka bottles, I suppose it could be an America West crew).

To make bad matters worse the property is home to some very significant archeological sites and petroglyphs. Those people who never disturb anything have also used them for small arms and pistol targets and have chiseled away at some of the ancient artwork. They climb around on them like they're the Jungle Gym of the ancients. With whatever instrument they have the dexterity to master they have etched their names on every thing within reach.

To provide more detail is to give directions to the place which will only invite more trouble, so let me try to sum it up for you:

1. When you enter private property, do it as I would do if I entered your home. Wait 'til you're invited.

2. If you are possessed with the overwhelming urge to screw up property, either do it at home or on public land where you at least hold some smattering of an ownership interest.

3. If you see a locked gate and a sign that clearly tells you to stay out, then STAY THE HELL OUT!

4. If you happen to be among the illiterate minority, just study and memorize the shape of the letters, N-O - - T-R-E-S-P-A-S-S-I-N-G.

Thanks, and Good Geocaching,

Ed

Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better --0-560846043-1028769257=:40931-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 01:18:41 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Justin Sever) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:18:41 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] FW: Response to "A high-tech scavenger hunt" Message-ID: <005301c23e79$8808acb0$0200a8c0@laptop7500> I just received this second response back from the reporter in reguards to the story and e-mail that I sent her earlier. -Frobro Goose -----Original Message----- From: christina.leonard@arizonarepublic.com [mailto:christina.leonard@arizonarepublic.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 6:13 PM To: Justin Sever Subject: RE: Response to "A high-tech scavenger hunt" You're more than welcome to write to my editor. His name is Tom Spratt. His phone is (602) 8699. He's on vacation for the next few days, however. If you can't wait, go ahead and call our metro editor. His name is Paul Maryniak, and can be reached at (602) 444-4810. It would be great if wrote a letter to the editor. I believe you can send it straight to ken.western@arizonarepublic.com P.S. It was a canned response, and I do apologize. But I have gotten a lot of e-mails today. And then I started watching the replies on the list serv. I much prefer a discussion. People have been asking a lot of questions - about locations, proof, etc. - and it would take me all day to respond to each one. THanks. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 01:18:54 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Arvin) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:18:54 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] archeaological sites Message-ID: <008a01c23e79$9038c640$220c2aa2@ArvinEvans> I have finally found a cache Yea! I also had to write the reporter. She can really push the emotional buttons. I will share you letter here. The main point is about the tupperware bowl and I didn't even think about it till a ps! adub I share your concern about the damage to the archeaological sites. Wish I could bring to justice the fools that damaged them. As well as litterers and for that matter child abusers! Unfortunately, I doubt that any geochachers were involved in the damage or of driving atv's to a geochache site. Why? I have only found one of them and it was an easy one. Took me 10 mins. of searching to locate it even though my gps unit said I was standing on top of it. Everyone that goes looking for these caches trys to leave them as well hidden as they found them. Well, of course, not everyone. Fools are involved in all human activities. A cache that is easy to find is usually stolen by the same people that leave the litter and do the damage to our forests. I can't even call myself a geocacher yet and I still had to speak my piece. I will be looking for more caches though. Sincerely Arvin Evans ps. The tupperware bowl that had a geocaching sticker in it will also have a log book with all the people's names that have visited the site and the name of the person that placed the cache there and on geocaching.com... Attack them not the whole sport. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 01:41:54 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (WOLFB8) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:41:54 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) References: <20020807161030.61014.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00e401c23e7c$c7e16720$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DF_01C23E42.19CE2860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just so you are not taken by surprise tomorrow when you look at your = stats.. I have made a lot of my caches member only today..... so if you = have some on your to-do list do not delete the waypoint since they will = not be there=20 I will make them public again when this blows over Libby We will be known by the tracks we leave behind ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob Renner=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 9:10 AM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) I found the newspaper article very one sided and blown way out of proportion. I think it was written with the intent of grabbing attention and selling papers and not with the intent of providing true and accurate information. It did not mention if any of the archeologic sites were open to the public such as Libby's Casa Grande Ruins cache or Ken's A Sign From The Past IV cache at Sears-Kay ruins near Seven Springs. If those are any of the 18 caches at or near archeologic sites, then the article is blatently misleading.=20 There was no mention of the Cache-In, Trash-Out program and the good it has done at many cache sites. One other thing that wasn't mentioned is the fact that there are numerous other sources of information about archeological sites that can be used by those intent on plundering. A quick search found the following books available at Amazon.com that most likely mention remote sites. 1. Ancient Treasures of the Southwest: A Guide to Archeological Sites and Museums in Arizona, Southern Colorado, New Mexico, and Utah, by Franklin Folsom, Mary Elting Folsom (Contributor), Rachel Folsom (Illustrator) 2. Ancient Ruins of the Southwest: An Archaeological Guide by David Grant Noble (Photographer), Brad Melton (Editor) 3. The Archaeology of Ancient Arizona by James Jefferson Reid, Stephanie Whittlesey, Jefferson Reid And finally, there are companies that provide tours of Arizona's backcountry and point out such sites. =20 http://www.pinkjeep.com/ "History enthusiasts will be awed by the opportunity to visit Authentic Native American Ruin sites, a very unique Sedona tour." http://www.archaeologicadventures.com/=20 "We offer our guests the unique opportunity to probe the mysteries of the past, to touch history and feel it come alive while participating in a hands-on working field program to map and record unexplored archaeological sites." Bob Renner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com ------=_NextPart_000_00DF_01C23E42.19CE2860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Just so you are not taken = by surprise=20 tomorrow when you look at your stats.. I have made a lot of my caches = member=20 only today..... so if you have some on your to-do list do not delete the = waypoint since they will not be there

I will make them public again when this = blows=20 over

Libby

We will be known by the tracks we leave behind

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Bob = Renner=20

To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Wednesday, August 07, = 2002 9:10=20 AM

Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] = Destruction=20 of geological site(s?)

I found the newspaper article very one sided and = blown
way=20 out of proportion. I think it was written with
the intent of = grabbing=20 attention and selling papers
and not with the intent of providing = true and=20 accurate
information.

It did not mention if any of the = archeologic=20 sites
were open to the public such as Libby's Casa Grande
Ruins = cache or=20 Ken's A Sign From The Past IV cache at
Sears-Kay ruins near Seven=20 Springs. If those are any
of the 18 caches at or near = archeologic=20 sites, then
the article is blatently misleading.

There was = no=20 mention of the Cache-In, Trash-Out
program and the good it has done = at many=20 cache sites.

One other thing that wasn't mentioned is the fact=20 that
there are numerous other sources of information = about
archeological=20 sites that can be used by those intent
on plundering. A quick = search=20 found the following
books available at Amazon.com that most likely=20 mention
remote sites.

1. Ancient Treasures of the Southwest: = A Guide=20 to
Archeological Sites and Museums in Arizona, = Southern
Colorado, New=20 Mexico, and Utah, by Franklin Folsom,
Mary Elting Folsom = (Contributor),=20 Rachel Folsom
(Illustrator)

2. Ancient Ruins of the = Southwest: An=20 Archaeological
Guide by David Grant Noble (Photographer), Brad=20 Melton
(Editor)

3. The Archaeology of Ancient Arizona by=20 James
Jefferson Reid, Stephanie Whittlesey, Jefferson = Reid

And=20 finally, there are companies that provide tours of
Arizona's = backcountry=20 and point out such sites.

http://www.pinkjeep.com/
"Histor= y=20 enthusiasts will be awed by the opportunity
to visit Authentic = Native=20 American Ruin sites, a very
unique Sedona tour."

http://www.archaeologicad= ventures.com/=20
"We offer our guests the unique opportunity to probe
the = mysteries of=20 the past, to touch history and feel
it come alive while = participating in a=20 hands-on
working field program to map and record=20 unexplored
archaeological sites."

Bob=20 Renner

__________________________________________________
Do = You=20 Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better
http://health.yahoo.com
_________= ______________________________________
Az-Geocaching=20 mailing list
listserv@azgeocaching.com= http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching
Arizona's=20 Geocaching Resource
http://www.azgeocaching.com ------=_NextPart_000_00DF_01C23E42.19CE2860-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 01:27:20 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 21:27:20 EDT Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) Message-ID: <8.2a8262b4.2a8322f8@aol.com> is there a geocache there? and if so would you like it removed? From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 01:45:47 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (WOLFB8) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:45:47 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) References: <20020807161030.61014.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00f201c23e7d$5e4f88e0$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00ED_01C23E42.A4C78CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just so you are not taken by surprise tomorrow when you look at your = stats.. I have made a lot of my caches member only today..... so if you = have some on your to-do list do not delete the waypoint since they will = not be there=20 I will make them public again when this blows over Libby We will be known by the tracks we leave behind ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob Renner=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 9:10 AM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) I found the newspaper article very one sided and blown way out of proportion. I think it was written with the intent of grabbing attention and selling papers and not with the intent of providing true and accurate information. It did not mention if any of the archeologic sites were open to the public such as Libby's Casa Grande Ruins cache or Ken's A Sign From The Past IV cache at Sears-Kay ruins near Seven Springs. If those are any of the 18 caches at or near archeologic sites, then the article is blatently misleading.=20 There was no mention of the Cache-In, Trash-Out program and the good it has done at many cache sites. One other thing that wasn't mentioned is the fact that there are numerous other sources of information about archeological sites that can be used by those intent on plundering. A quick search found the following books available at Amazon.com that most likely mention remote sites. 1. Ancient Treasures of the Southwest: A Guide to Archeological Sites and Museums in Arizona, Southern Colorado, New Mexico, and Utah, by Franklin Folsom, Mary Elting Folsom (Contributor), Rachel Folsom (Illustrator) 2. Ancient Ruins of the Southwest: An Archaeological Guide by David Grant Noble (Photographer), Brad Melton (Editor) 3. The Archaeology of Ancient Arizona by James Jefferson Reid, Stephanie Whittlesey, Jefferson Reid And finally, there are companies that provide tours of Arizona's backcountry and point out such sites. =20 http://www.pinkjeep.com/ "History enthusiasts will be awed by the opportunity to visit Authentic Native American Ruin sites, a very unique Sedona tour." http://www.archaeologicadventures.com/=20 "We offer our guests the unique opportunity to probe the mysteries of the past, to touch history and feel it come alive while participating in a hands-on working field program to map and record unexplored archaeological sites." Bob Renner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com ------=_NextPart_000_00ED_01C23E42.A4C78CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Just so you are not taken by = surprise=20 tomorrow when you look at your stats.. I have made a lot of my caches = member=20 only today..... so if you have some on your to-do list do not delete the = waypoint since they will not be there

I will make them public again when this = blows=20 over

Libby

We will be known by the tracks we leave behind

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Bob = Renner=20

To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Wednesday, August 07, = 2002 9:10=20 AM

Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] = Destruction=20 of geological site(s?)

I found the newspaper article very one sided and = blown
way=20 out of proportion. I think it was written with
the intent of = grabbing=20 attention and selling papers
and not with the intent of providing = true and=20 accurate
information.

It did not mention if any of the = archeologic=20 sites
were open to the public such as Libby's Casa Grande
Ruins = cache or=20 Ken's A Sign From The Past IV cache at
Sears-Kay ruins near Seven=20 Springs. If those are any
of the 18 caches at or near = archeologic=20 sites, then
the article is blatently misleading.

There was = no=20 mention of the Cache-In, Trash-Out
program and the good it has done = at many=20 cache sites.

One other thing that wasn't mentioned is the fact=20 that
there are numerous other sources of information = about
archeological=20 sites that can be used by those intent
on plundering. A quick = search=20 found the following
books available at Amazon.com that most likely=20 mention
remote sites.

1. Ancient Treasures of the Southwest: = A Guide=20 to
Archeological Sites and Museums in Arizona, = Southern
Colorado, New=20 Mexico, and Utah, by Franklin Folsom,
Mary Elting Folsom = (Contributor),=20 Rachel Folsom
(Illustrator)

2. Ancient Ruins of the = Southwest: An=20 Archaeological
Guide by David Grant Noble (Photographer), Brad=20 Melton
(Editor)

3. The Archaeology of Ancient Arizona by=20 James
Jefferson Reid, Stephanie Whittlesey, Jefferson = Reid

And=20 finally, there are companies that provide tours of
Arizona's = backcountry=20 and point out such sites.

http://www.pinkjeep.com/
"Histor= y=20 enthusiasts will be awed by the opportunity
to visit Authentic = Native=20 American Ruin sites, a very
unique Sedona tour."

http://www.archaeologicad= ventures.com/=20
"We offer our guests the unique opportunity to probe
the = mysteries of=20 the past, to touch history and feel
it come alive while = participating in a=20 hands-on
working field program to map and record=20 unexplored
archaeological sites."

Bob=20 Renner

__________________________________________________
Do = You=20 Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better
http://health.yahoo.com
_________= ______________________________________
Az-Geocaching=20 mailing list
listserv@azgeocaching.com= http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching
Arizona's=20 Geocaching Resource
http://www.azgeocaching.com ------=_NextPart_000_00ED_01C23E42.A4C78CE0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 01:30:39 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 21:30:39 EDT Subject: [Az-Geocaching] FW: Response to "A high-tech scavenger hunt" Message-ID: Rathe bad grammer for a pro From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 01:34:38 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:34:38 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) Message-ID: <002b01c23e7b$c27f0900$91f50244@cx301817d> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C23E41.15FE7830 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0028_01C23E41.15FE7830" ------=_NextPart_001_0028_01C23E41.15FE7830 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm not sure that my 1st posting came out very well on the server so I = am posting it again, with a few additions. Ok.. so the mystery of who stole the cache from A Sign From The Past III = has been solved. From the description of his article there is no doubt = that Truman Peters is the one that took it. I take offense at the = article and believe he is exaggerating about the theft of articles and = damaging to trails. A very few veteran AZ geocachers have visited this = site and I am confident that they did not damage anything. There is = nothing to damage or steal at this site as he claims in his statement to = the press. The site is merely a set of LARGE boulders (very hard to = steal) that have petroglyphs on them. I saw no signs of pottery shards = or any signs of nearby ruins or artifacts. There are no trails to the = site and therefore it would have it is impossible for someone to have = damaged something that does not exist. When we placed this cache we = parked on a 4x4 road and walked to the site. While there we never saw = ANY no trespassing signs, permits required, vehicle restrictions, or any = other indications that the area was restricted. This site was so remote = that when the cache was placed it was in a very obvious location with = only a rock or two on top and really not much of a search was needed to = find it. That was why Truman Peters found it so easily and I doubt that = there would have been any impact at the site. When I find these sites in = the future I will no longer leave an actual cache but will post them as = a Virtual so that everyone can enjoy them. As for Truman Peters saying he made a note I have never received a = notification from him even though the cache contained the standard = geocache letter explaining how to have the cache removed. How did he = leave this note? At the site? there were several geocachers that visited = it and never mentioned his "note". Did he nail the note to a tree? Etch = it into the Rocks? Leave it in the container that he took? I believe the = few geocachers that visited this site will verify that it was not = trashed as he claims to the newspaper. This whole article seems to be a = slam on our hobby and an attempt to make geocachers scapegoats for = others lack of consideration or respect for the environment. I take offense at his comment of "stay away from our archaeological = sites". Since when did he take ownership of these sites? I found this = site by looking at a topographical map and it was clearly marked on the = map as containing petroglyphs! This site is public land and I believe = that everyone has a right to visit these areas to view them. What good = are they if they keep them secret and no one has an opportunity to enjoy = their history and beauty? I have a great respect for these ancient sites = and use our visits to teach my children to respect the land. While at = these sites we only take photographs.=20 I also find it ironic that sites are destroyed frequently by the = government though mismanagement, or building projects. If a new road or = other project is build and an archeological site is discovered they = study it and they pave or build right over the top! A recent example is = of a site that is located near the Deer Valley Airport. There is a site = located on a hill that is just east of the airport that contains what = some archeologists believe is a solar observatory. The land has been = sold to a gravel company that is going to grid up the site to make = concrete. As the owner of one of the sites mentioned in the paper I apologize to = the geocaching community for the bad press but believe it is an unfair = article. The reason that we selected the site was to share a bit of the = beauty and history of our state with our geocaching friends. Below is = the evil WhereRWee? trashing the environment by picking up approximately = #30 pounds of the stuff at " A grand undertaking" geocache. As a result = of geocaching my son enjoys picking up trash as much as hunting for the = cache. Just yesterday when we met the evil geocaching team AZSALUKI he = picked up a paint can that was leaking all over the ground. My wife = wanted to put it in the truck but I had to draw the line at a leaking = can of paint :) WhereRWee?=20 ------=_NextPart_001_0028_01C23E41.15FE7830 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm not sure that my 1st posting came out very well on the server = so I am=20 posting it again, with a few additions.

Ok.. so the mystery of who stole the cache from A Sign From The = Past III=20 has been solved. From the description of his article there is no doubt = that=20 Truman Peters is the one that took it. I take offense at the article and = believe=20 he is exaggerating about the theft of articles and damaging to = trails. A=20 very few veteran AZ geocachers have visited this site and I am confident = that=20 they did not damage anything. There is nothing to damage or steal = at this=20 site as he claims in his statement to the press. The site is merely a = set of=20 LARGE boulders (very hard to steal) that have petroglyphs on them. I saw = no=20 signs of pottery shards or any signs of nearby ruins or artifacts. There = are no=20 trails to the site and therefore it would have it is impossible for = someone to=20 have damaged something that does not exist. When we placed this cache we = parked=20 on a 4x4 road and walked to the site. While there we never saw ANY no=20 trespassing signs, permits required, vehicle restrictions, or any other=20 indications that the area was restricted. This site was so remote that = when the=20 cache was placed it was in a very obvious location with only a = rock or=20 two on top and really not much of a search was needed to find it. That = was why=20 Truman Peters found it so easily and I doubt that there would have = been any=20 impact at the site. When I find these sites in the future I will no = longer=20 leave an actual cache but will post them as a Virtual so that everyone = can enjoy=20 them.

As for Truman Peters saying he made a note I have never received a=20 notification from him even though the cache contained the standard = geocache=20 letter explaining how to have the cache removed. How did he leave this = note? At=20 the site? there were several geocachers that visited it and never = mentioned=20 his "note". Did he nail the note to a tree? Etch it into the Rocks? = Leave it in=20 the container that he took? I believe the few geocachers that visited = this site=20 will verify that it was not trashed as he claims to the newspaper. This = whole=20 article seems to be a slam on our hobby and an attempt to make=20 geocachers scapegoats for others lack of consideration or respect = for the=20 environment.

I take offense at his comment of "stay away from our archaeological = sites".=20 Since when did he take ownership of these sites? I found this site by = looking at=20 a topographical map and it was clearly marked on the map as containing=20 petroglyphs! This site is public land and I believe that everyone has a = right to=20 visit these areas to view them. What good are they if they keep them = secret and=20 no one has an opportunity to enjoy their history and beauty? I have a = great=20 respect for these ancient sites and use our visits to teach my children = to=20 respect the land. While at these sites we only take photographs. =

I also find it ironic that sites are destroyed frequently by the = government=20 though mismanagement, or building projects. If a new road or other = project is=20 build and an archeological site is discovered they study it and = they pave=20 or build right over the top! A recent example is of a site that is = located near=20 the Deer Valley Airport. There is a site located on a hill that is=20 just east of the airport that contains what some archeologists=20 believe is a solar observatory. The land has been sold to a = gravel=20 company that is going to grid up the site to make concrete.

As the owner of one of the sites mentioned in the paper I = apologize to=20 the geocaching community for the bad press but believe it is an = unfair=20 article. The reason that we selected the site was to share a bit of = the=20 beauty and history of our state with our geocaching friends. Below is = the evil=20 WhereRWee? trashing the environment by picking up approximately #30 = pounds of=20 the stuff at " A grand undertaking" geocache. As a result of geocaching = my son=20 enjoys picking up trash as much as hunting for the cache. Just yesterday = when we=20 met the evil geocaching team AZSALUKI he picked up a paint can that was = leaking=20 all over the ground. My wife wanted to put it in the truck but I had to = draw the=20 line at a leaking can of paint :)

WhereRWee?

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In-Reply-To: <53.1aa37603.2a831c21@aol.com> Message-ID: <20020808013754.8874.qmail@web13103.mail.yahoo.com> Well Ed, is there or has a cache been placed on your land? If so, then pick it up. It's your land. If you haven't had a cache placed on your land then what do you want us to do about your problems? I fail to see the point of the rant. Eric Team Dragon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 01:38:18 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 21:38:18 EDT Subject: [Az-Geocaching] FW: Response to "A high-tech scavenger hunt" Message-ID: <8c.1c461543.2a83258a@aol.com> make that rather...hey im not a pro From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 01:39:56 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Eric Quinn) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:39:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] FW: Response to "A high-tech scavenger hunt" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020808013956.48239.qmail@web13107.mail.yahoo.com> Be nice. I'm a published author but when I'm not writing carefully, my spelling and grammar can really stink the place up. Keeping the lines of communication up is the important thing. Eric TD --- JeepNAz@aol.com wrote: > Rathe bad grammer for a pro __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 02:24:22 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (loran @cox) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 19:24:22 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) References: <20020807161030.61014.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com> <00f201c23e7d$5e4f88e0$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <00e101c23e82$b5966c40$0400a8c0@one> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DE_01C23E48.090539A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Libby you just did that so Wyle can get credit for reaching 500 Arizona = Finds again. Team Sand Dollar ----- Original Message -----=20 From: WOLFB8=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) Just so you are not taken by surprise tomorrow when you look at your = stats.. I have made a lot of my caches member only today..... so if you = have some on your to-do list do not delete the waypoint since they will = not be there=20 I will make them public again when this blows over Libby We will be known by the tracks we leave behind ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob Renner=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 9:10 AM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) I found the newspaper article very one sided and blown way out of proportion. I think it was written with the intent of grabbing attention and selling papers and not with the intent of providing true and accurate information. It did not mention if any of the archeologic sites were open to the public such as Libby's Casa Grande Ruins cache or Ken's A Sign From The Past IV cache at Sears-Kay ruins near Seven Springs. If those are any of the 18 caches at or near archeologic sites, then the article is blatently misleading.=20 There was no mention of the Cache-In, Trash-Out program and the good it has done at many cache sites. One other thing that wasn't mentioned is the fact that there are numerous other sources of information about archeological sites that can be used by those intent on plundering. A quick search found the following books available at Amazon.com that most likely mention remote sites. 1. Ancient Treasures of the Southwest: A Guide to Archeological Sites and Museums in Arizona, Southern Colorado, New Mexico, and Utah, by Franklin Folsom, Mary Elting Folsom (Contributor), Rachel Folsom (Illustrator) 2. Ancient Ruins of the Southwest: An Archaeological Guide by David Grant Noble (Photographer), Brad Melton (Editor) 3. The Archaeology of Ancient Arizona by James Jefferson Reid, Stephanie Whittlesey, Jefferson Reid And finally, there are companies that provide tours of Arizona's backcountry and point out such sites. =20 http://www.pinkjeep.com/ "History enthusiasts will be awed by the opportunity to visit Authentic Native American Ruin sites, a very unique Sedona tour." http://www.archaeologicadventures.com/=20 "We offer our guests the unique opportunity to probe the mysteries of the past, to touch history and feel it come alive while participating in a hands-on working field program to map and record unexplored archaeological sites." Bob Renner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com ------=_NextPart_000_00DE_01C23E48.090539A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Libby you just did that so Wyle can get = credit for=20 reaching 500 Arizona Finds again.

Team Sand Dollar

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 WOLFB8 =
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Wednesday, August 07, = 2002 6:45=20 PM

Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = Destruction=20 of geological site(s?)

Just so you are not taken by = surprise=20 tomorrow when you look at your stats.. I have made a lot of my caches = member=20 only today..... so if you have some on your to-do list do not delete = the=20 waypoint since they will not be there

I will make them public again when = this blows=20 over

Libby

We will be known by the tracks we leave behind

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bob=20 Renner
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Wednesday, August 07, = 2002 9:10=20 AM

Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching]=20 Destruction of geological site(s?)

I found the newspaper article very one sided and = blown
way=20 out of proportion. I think it was written with
the intent = of=20 grabbing attention and selling papers
and not with the intent of=20 providing true and accurate
information.

It did not = mention if any=20 of the archeologic sites
were open to the public such as Libby's = Casa=20 Grande
Ruins cache or Ken's A Sign From The Past IV cache = at
Sears-Kay=20 ruins near Seven Springs. If those are any
of the 18 caches = at or=20 near archeologic sites, then
the article is blatently misleading. =

There was no mention of the Cache-In, Trash-Out
program = and the=20 good it has done at many cache sites.

One other thing that = wasn't=20 mentioned is the fact that
there are numerous other sources of=20 information about
archeological sites that can be used by those=20 intent
on plundering. A quick search found the = following
books=20 available at Amazon.com that most likely mention
remote = sites.

1.=20 Ancient Treasures of the Southwest: A Guide to
Archeological = Sites and=20 Museums in Arizona, Southern
Colorado, New Mexico, and Utah, by = Franklin=20 Folsom,
Mary Elting Folsom (Contributor), Rachel=20 Folsom
(Illustrator)

2. Ancient Ruins of the Southwest: An = Archaeological
Guide by David Grant Noble (Photographer), Brad=20 Melton
(Editor)

3. The Archaeology of Ancient Arizona by=20 James
Jefferson Reid, Stephanie Whittlesey, Jefferson = Reid

And=20 finally, there are companies that provide tours of
Arizona's = backcountry=20 and point out such sites.

http://www.pinkjeep.com/
"Histor= y=20 enthusiasts will be awed by the opportunity
to visit Authentic = Native=20 American Ruin sites, a very
unique Sedona tour."

http://www.archaeologicad= ventures.com/=20
"We offer our guests the unique opportunity to probe
the = mysteries of=20 the past, to touch history and feel
it come alive while = participating in=20 a hands-on
working field program to map and record=20 unexplored
archaeological sites."

Bob=20 = Renner

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------=_NextPart_000_00DE_01C23E48.090539A0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 03:08:58 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (teamcbx2) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:08:58 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Article Message-ID: This TeamCBx2 letter of responce. I first heard of your article Scavenger hunt threatens archaeological sites from a co-worker that knows that I "play the game". She stated "its not good." I know that you have had numerous emails and to rehash what they said would be redundant. We TeamCBx2 have been cachers for 11/2 years and have found over 200 caches in AZ. It has lead us to places we would have never have taken the time to see, or even knew existed. It has lead us to enjoy and respect the nature we are hiking through. I have a hard time with geocaching taking the blame for years of people trashing area, being irresponsible with nature and having no respect for sacred archaeological sites, but then I guess everyone who is feed up needs a scape-goat. If you would like a true picture of what geochaching is about and to see the faces that go with this sport, maybe you should hold a meeting where we as a group could defend our selves. I know that you have responded with "Call me" to other emails. So this is my call to you. Thank you, Team CBx2 From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 03:24:01 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (WOLFB8) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:24:01 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) References: <20020807161030.61014.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com> <00f201c23e7d$5e4f88e0$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> <00e101c23e82$b5966c40$0400a8c0@one> Message-ID: <014901c23e8b$11d76420$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0146_01C23E50.5E454920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hmmm did not think about that...but guess that would be true ...hell it = will move up in the ranking and everyone one else down....aren't stats = just so subjective.... but that not why....I just do not want the influx of people this = weekend trashing my caches..just hope I got them hidden in time Libby We will be known by the tracks we leave behind ----- Original Message -----=20 From: loran @cox=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) Libby you just did that so Wyle can get credit for reaching 500 = Arizona Finds again. Team Sand Dollar ----- Original Message -----=20 From: WOLFB8=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) Just so you are not taken by surprise tomorrow when you look at = your stats.. I have made a lot of my caches member only today..... so if = you have some on your to-do list do not delete the waypoint since they = will not be there=20 I will make them public again when this blows over Libby We will be known by the tracks we leave behind ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob Renner=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 9:10 AM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) I found the newspaper article very one sided and blown way out of proportion. I think it was written with the intent of grabbing attention and selling papers and not with the intent of providing true and accurate information. It did not mention if any of the archeologic sites were open to the public such as Libby's Casa Grande Ruins cache or Ken's A Sign From The Past IV cache at Sears-Kay ruins near Seven Springs. If those are any of the 18 caches at or near archeologic sites, then the article is blatently misleading.=20 There was no mention of the Cache-In, Trash-Out program and the good it has done at many cache sites. One other thing that wasn't mentioned is the fact that there are numerous other sources of information about archeological sites that can be used by those intent on plundering. A quick search found the following books available at Amazon.com that most likely mention remote sites. 1. Ancient Treasures of the Southwest: A Guide to Archeological Sites and Museums in Arizona, Southern Colorado, New Mexico, and Utah, by Franklin Folsom, Mary Elting Folsom (Contributor), Rachel Folsom (Illustrator) 2. Ancient Ruins of the Southwest: An Archaeological Guide by David Grant Noble (Photographer), Brad Melton (Editor) 3. The Archaeology of Ancient Arizona by James Jefferson Reid, Stephanie Whittlesey, Jefferson Reid And finally, there are companies that provide tours of Arizona's backcountry and point out such sites. =20 http://www.pinkjeep.com/ "History enthusiasts will be awed by the opportunity to visit Authentic Native American Ruin sites, a very unique Sedona tour." http://www.archaeologicadventures.com/=20 "We offer our guests the unique opportunity to probe the mysteries of the past, to touch history and feel it come alive while participating in a hands-on working field program to map and record unexplored archaeological sites." Bob Renner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com ------=_NextPart_000_0146_01C23E50.5E454920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

hmmm did not think about = that...but guess=20 that would be true ...hell it will move up in the ranking and everyone = one else=20 down....aren't stats just so subjective....

but that not why....I just do not = want the=20 influx of people this weekend trashing my caches..just hope I got them = hidden in=20 time

Libby

We will be known by the tracks we leave behind

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 loran @cox=20
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Wednesday, August 07, = 2002 7:24=20 PM

Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = Destruction=20 of geological site(s?)

Libby you just did that so Wyle can = get credit=20 for reaching 500 Arizona Finds again.

Team Sand Dollar

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 WOLFB8 =
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Wednesday, August 07, = 2002 6:45=20 PM

Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching]=20 Destruction of geological site(s?)

Just so you are not taken by = surprise=20 tomorrow when you look at your stats.. I have made a lot of my = caches member=20 only today..... so if you have some on your to-do list do not delete = the=20 waypoint since they will not be there

I will make them public again when = this blows=20 over

Libby

We will be known by the tracks we leave behind

----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Bob=20 Renner
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20

Sent: Wednesday, August 07, = 2002 9:10=20 AM

Subject: RE: = [Az-Geocaching]=20 Destruction of geological site(s?)

I found the newspaper article very one sided and=20 blown
way out of proportion. I think it was written = with
the=20 intent of grabbing attention and selling papers
and not with = the intent=20 of providing true and accurate
information.

It did not = mention=20 if any of the archeologic sites
were open to the public such as = Libby's=20 Casa Grande
Ruins cache or Ken's A Sign From The Past IV cache=20 at
Sears-Kay ruins near Seven Springs. If those are = any
of the=20 18 caches at or near archeologic sites, then
the article is = blatently=20 misleading.

There was no mention of the Cache-In,=20 Trash-Out
program and the good it has done at many cache=20 sites.

One other thing that wasn't mentioned is the fact=20 that
there are numerous other sources of information=20 about
archeological sites that can be used by those = intent
on=20 plundering. A quick search found the following
books = available at=20 Amazon.com that most likely mention
remote sites.

1. = Ancient=20 Treasures of the Southwest: A Guide to
Archeological Sites and = Museums=20 in Arizona, Southern
Colorado, New Mexico, and Utah, by = Franklin=20 Folsom,
Mary Elting Folsom (Contributor), Rachel=20 Folsom
(Illustrator)

2. Ancient Ruins of the Southwest: = An=20 Archaeological
Guide by David Grant Noble (Photographer), Brad=20 Melton
(Editor)

3. The Archaeology of Ancient Arizona by = James
Jefferson Reid, Stephanie Whittlesey, Jefferson = Reid

And=20 finally, there are companies that provide tours of
Arizona's=20 backcountry and point out such sites.

http://www.pinkjeep.com/
"Histor= y=20 enthusiasts will be awed by the opportunity
to visit Authentic = Native=20 American Ruin sites, a very
unique Sedona tour."

http://www.archaeologicad= ventures.com/=20
"We offer our guests the unique opportunity to probe
the = mysteries=20 of the past, to touch history and feel
it come alive while=20 participating in a hands-on
working field program to map and = record=20 unexplored
archaeological sites."

Bob=20 = Renner

__________________________________________________
Do = You=20 Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better
http://health.yahoo.com
_________= ______________________________________
Az-Geocaching=20 mailing list
listserv@azgeocaching.com= http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching
Arizona's=20 Geocaching Resource
http://www.azgeocaching.com

------=_NextPart_000_0146_01C23E50.5E454920-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 03:13:07 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (patrick hopkins) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:13:07 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) In-Reply-To: "WOLFB8" 's message of Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:41:54 -0700 Message-ID: <15976-3D51E1C3-1039@storefull-2177.public.lawson.webtv.net> is there any way that we can forward all of these responses to todays article in the az republic to the author?? or to the paper itself?? dont know if it would help any, but who knows ?? team lake havasu From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 03:17:41 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Kyle Hagan) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:17:41 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Fw: [az_vjc] High Tech scavenger hunt article. Message-ID: <012701c23e8a$28390670$6400a8c0@VAIO> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0124_01C23E4F.7B8C3580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable While I think I understand what Jean (roadrunners?) may be trying to = say, she does, IMHO, need to be careful about how she states her = complaint. While I am certainly an off-road enthusiast, I am not a geocacher. As = such, if people are driving quads and 4x4s to geoache locations and = causing problems, then it is the geocachers that are doing it..not the = off-road enthusiast. (DUH!) Now.the above statement is about as stupid as the one that Jean = (roadrunners?) wrote, IMO. She is, in my opinion, a dangerous element = when it comes to these types of discussions. Finger pointing is NOT the = way to solve the problem. Off-road enthusiasts AND geocachers BOTH = depend on public access to public land. Without it, we are both without = a place to recreate (unless you want to geocache or ramp ricers in the = city). So..my advice to dear Jean (roadrunners?) would be to chill out a bit = and stop trying to alienate those that may very well be her best ally in = this fight to keep our public lands open and accessible. =20 Yes..both off-road enthusiasts and geocachers share a common = element..the moron that drives around on public land with complete = disregard for the land or the laws...and as she said.the ones that toss = fast food wrappers out the window on I-17 (at least she got one thing = correct). Once Jean (roadrunners?) figures that out, she will, IMO, not = come off as the finger-pointing idiot she appears to be now. She has yet to figure out that what she is doing is exactly what the = greenie folks want..divide the opposition into small in-fighting = fractured segments and then pick them off, one at a time. As the old = saying goes, "United we stand, divided we fall". I wish someone would = explain this to Jean (roadrunners?) before she helps us all to death. Timber Chucker! p.s. Kyle, if you want to filter this back towards the source of your = original post, please feel free to do so. It will take a ton of talking = to convince me that I am wrong on this subject. Stu Olson www.stu-offroad.com -----Original Message----- From: Kyle Hagan [mailto:Kyle@spiderfirewall.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 3:38 PM To: 'AzVJC Website' Subject: [az_vjc] High Tech scavenger hunt article. I thought the list might be interested in what some of the people on = AzGeocaching.com is responding about this article: Perhaps the article should have been written about ATVs and 4x4s. We = have noticed that there is a definite correlation in the amount of trash = and the vehicle access. When you are in areas where you must travel by = foot, there is a very small amount of trash. But when you are in areas = where vehicles can go, there are always bud light cans by the case and a = bunch of other crap one can only wonder why someone took the trouble to = haul it way out there, unless it was to use it for target practice and = leave it behind. We say TRASHY PEOPLE HAVE TRASHY WAYS. These are the = same idiots who throw fast food wrappers out the window on I-17 thinking = "someone" else will pick it up. I offer the following rewrite of the = article: An off road vehicle rampage has caused a panic among authorites who say = the offroaders are destroying archaelogical sites around the state. = Using jeeps and ATVs the slobs can literally drive right to more than = 600 sites throughout arizona and vandalize artifacts and throw trash out = the window.... Jean roadrunners=20 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0124_01C23E4F.7B8C3580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

While I think = I=20 understand what Jean (roadrunners?) may be trying to say, she does, = IMHO, need=20 to be careful about how she states her complaint.

While I am = certainly an=20 off-road enthusiast, I am not a geocacher. As such, if people are = driving=20 quads and 4x4s to geoache locations and causing problems, then it is the = geocachers that are doing it=85.not the off-road enthusiast. =20 (DUH!)

Now=85the = above statement=20 is about as stupid as the one that Jean (roadrunners?) wrote, IMO. = She is,=20 in my opinion, a dangerous element when it comes to these types of=20 discussions. Finger pointing is NOT the way to solve the = problem. =20 Off-road enthusiasts AND geocachers BOTH depend on public access to = public=20 land. Without it, we are both without a place to recreate (unless = you want=20 to geocache or ramp ricers in the city).

So=85.my = advice to dear=20 Jean (roadrunners?) would be to chill out a bit and stop trying to = alienate=20 those that may very well be her best ally in this fight to keep our = public lands=20 open and accessible.

Yes=85.both = off-road=20 enthusiasts and geocachers share a common element=85.the moron that = drives around=20 on public land with complete disregard for the land or the laws=85..and = as she=20 said=85the ones that toss fast food wrappers out the window on I-17 (at = least she=20 got one thing correct). Once Jean (roadrunners?) figures that out, = she=20 will, IMO, not come off as the finger-pointing idiot she appears to be=20 now.

She has yet = to figure=20 out that what she is doing is exactly what the greenie folks = want=85.divide the=20 opposition into small in-fighting fractured segments and then pick them = off, one=20 at a time. As the old saying goes, =93United we stand, divided we=20 fall=94. I wish someone would explain this to Jean (roadrunners?) = before she=20 helps us all to death.

Timber=20 Chucker!

p.s. = Kyle, if you=20 want to filter this back towards the source of your original post, = please feel=20 free to do so. It will take a ton of talking to convince me that I = am=20 wrong on this subject.

Stu Olson

www.stu-offroad.com

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: = Kyle Hagan=20 [mailto:Kyle@spiderfirewall.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 = 3:38=20 PM
To: 'AzVJC=20 Website'
Subject: = [az_vjc] High=20 Tech scavenger hunt article.

I thought the list = might be=20 interested in what some of the people on AzGeocaching.com is responding = about=20 this article:

Perhaps the article should = have been=20 written about ATVs and 4x4s. We have noticed that there is a definite=20 correlation in the amount of trash and the vehicle access. When you are = in areas=20 where you must travel by foot, there is a very small amount of trash. = But when=20 you are in areas where vehicles can go, there are always bud light cans = by the=20 case and a bunch of other crap one can only wonder why someone took the = trouble=20 to haul it way out there, unless it was to use it for target practice = and leave=20 it behind. We say TRASHY PEOPLE HAVE TRASHY WAYS. These are the same = idiots who=20 throw fast food wrappers out the window on I-17 thinking "someone" else = will=20 pick it up. I offer the following rewrite of the article:

An off = road=20 vehicle rampage has caused a panic among authorites who say the = offroaders are=20 destroying archaelogical sites around the state. Using jeeps and ATVs = the slobs=20 can literally drive right to more than 600 sites throughout arizona and=20 vandalize artifacts and throw trash out the=20 window....

Jean
roadrunners =

Your use = of Yahoo!=20 Groups is subject to the Yahoo!=20 Terms of Service.

------=_NextPart_000_0124_01C23E4F.7B8C3580-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 03:25:25 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Larry Farquhar) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:25:25 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) In-Reply-To: <014901c23e8b$11d76420$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <002101c23e8b$3c8a0650$3701a8c0@LARRY> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C23E50.902B2E50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm confused. I thought member caches count as a "find" just like a regular cache. So how can it be different? What am I missing? Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of WOLFB8 Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 8:24 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) hmmm did not think about that...but guess that would be true ...hell it will move up in the ranking and everyone one else down....aren't stats just so subjective.... but that not why....I just do not want the influx of people this weekend trashing my caches..just hope I got them hidden in time Libby We will be known by the tracks we leave behind ----- Original Message ----- From: loran @cox To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) Libby you just did that so Wyle can get credit for reaching 500 Arizona Finds again. Team Sand Dollar ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C23E50.902B2E50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

I'm=20 confused. I thought member caches count as a "find" just like a regular = cache.=20 So how can it be different? What am I missing?

Larry = Farquhar

Team "Wyle E"

www.happy-wanderers.com

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = WOLFB8
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 8:24 = PM
To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = Destruction=20 of geological site(s?)

hmmm did not think about = that...but guess=20 that would be true ...hell it will move up in the ranking and everyone = one=20 else down....aren't stats just so subjective....

but that not why....I just do = not want the=20 influx of people this weekend trashing my caches..just hope I got them = hidden=20 in time

Libby

We will be known by the tracks we leave behind

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 loran=20 @cox

To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Wednesday, August 07, = 2002 7:24=20 PM

Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching]=20 Destruction of geological site(s?)

Libby you just did that so Wyle can = get credit=20 for reaching 500 Arizona Finds again.

Team Sand=20 Dollar

------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C23E50.902B2E50-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 03:25:28 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ed Philpott) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:25:28 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] 500 cache finds in a single state In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Now that I'm back in the land of the living and caught up at work I need to add my congrats to all who have achieved levels of recognition. Vacations can be so much work. Ed & Mimi Philpott Trail Gypsy -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of teamcbx2 Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 3:35 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] 500 cache finds in a single state We add our Congrat to the Wyle E. Way to go! Team CBx2 -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of loran @cox Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 10:08 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] 500 cache finds in a single state Another congratulation is in order for a new milestone in Geocaching. Team "Wyle E" has become the first team to reach 500 caches in a single state. Team Sand Dollar _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 03:35:29 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Tim Giron) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:35:29 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Stats anomalies In-Reply-To: <00f201c23e7d$5e4f88e0$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> References: <20020807161030.61014.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com> <00f201c23e7d$5e4f88e0$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: --============_-1183344756==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Perhaps Brian or Jason could verify this, but I think the stats will stay the same, since the waypoints are already in the azgeocaching database. What would be missing would be any new logs on the caches that are changed to "Members Only". Tim Team AZFastFeet > Just so you are not taken by surprise tomorrow when you look at >your stats.. I have made a lot of my caches member only today..... >so if you have some on your to-do list do not delete the waypoint >since they will not be there > >I will make them public again when this blows over > > >Libby > >We will be known by the tracks we leave behind --============_-1183344756==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Stats anomalies

Perhaps Brian or Jason could verify this, but I think the stats will stay the same, since the waypoints are already in the azgeocaching database. What would be missing would be any new logs on the caches that are changed to "Members Only".

Tim

Team AZFastFeet

Just so you are not taken by surprise tomorrow when you look at your stats.. I have made a lot of my caches member only today..... so if you have some on your to-do list do not delete the waypoint since they will not be there

I will make them public again when this blows over

Libby

We will be known by the tracks we leave behind

--============_-1183344756==_ma============-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 03:55:50 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (WOLFB8) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:55:50 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) References: <002101c23e8b$3c8a0650$3701a8c0@LARRY> Message-ID: <017e01c23e8f$932c61c0$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0176_01C23E54.CF9022E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message from what I read the other day they are counted as out of state = finds...and since the web page ranks off of az fines it will restructure = the ranking.... your total number of finds will not change as they = count....just the number of az finds will change a bit..... don't worry = I will put them back in a few.... Libby We will be known by the tracks we leave behind ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Larry Farquhar=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 8:25 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) I'm confused. I thought member caches count as a "find" just like a = regular cache. So how can it be different? What am I missing? Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com = [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = WOLFB8 Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 8:24 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) hmmm did not think about that...but guess that would be true = ...hell it will move up in the ranking and everyone one else = down....aren't stats just so subjective.... but that not why....I just do not want the influx of people this = weekend trashing my caches..just hope I got them hidden in time Libby We will be known by the tracks we leave behind ----- Original Message -----=20 From: loran @cox=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) Libby you just did that so Wyle can get credit for reaching 500 = Arizona Finds again. Team Sand Dollar ------=_NextPart_000_0176_01C23E54.CF9022E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

from what I read the other day = they are=20 counted as out of state finds...and since the web page ranks off of = az=20 fines it will restructure the ranking.... your total number of finds = will not=20 change as they count....just the number of az finds will change a = bit..... don't=20 worry I will put them back in a few....

Libby

We will be known by the tracks we leave behind

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Larry = Farquhar
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Wednesday, August 07, = 2002 8:25=20 PM

Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] = Destruction=20 of geological site(s?)

I'm=20 confused. I thought member caches count as a "find" just like a = regular cache.=20 So how can it be different? What am I missing?

Larry = Farquhar

Team "Wyle = E"

www.happy-wanderers.com

-----Original Message-----
From: az-geocachi= ng-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf = Of=20 WOLFB8
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 8:24 = PM
To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = Destruction=20 of geological site(s?)

hmmm did not think about = that...but guess=20 that would be true ...hell it will move up in the ranking and = everyone one=20 else down....aren't stats just so subjective....

but that not why....I just do = not want=20 the influx of people this weekend trashing my caches..just hope I = got them=20 hidden in time

Libby

We will be known by the tracks we leave behind

----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 loran=20 @cox
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20

Sent: Wednesday, August 07, = 2002 7:24=20 PM

Subject: Re: = [Az-Geocaching]=20 Destruction of geological site(s?)

Libby you just did that so Wyle = can get=20 credit for reaching 500 Arizona Finds again.

Team Sand=20 = Dollar

------=_NextPart_000_0176_01C23E54.CF9022E0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 03:38:07 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jason Poulter) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 20:38:07 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) References: <53.1aa37603.2a831c21@aol.com> Message-ID: <3D51E79F.90204@snaptek.com> has anyone heard of a new invention called... WIND!!! Edchil38@aol.com wrote: > The first time I've heard of your organization was when I read the > article in this morning's edition of the /Arizona Republic/. I promptly > came home from breakfast and located your website for more information. > What you do for kicks seems to be a complete waste of time and a clear > sign of a bunch of people who don't have enough to do. However, it also > appears to be perfectly legal so if that happens to flip your switch, - > - have at it. > > BUT, - - DON'T DO IT IN MY BACKYARD. > > > Now having passed the intro, I'll give you a few things to ponder. > > We happen to have a remote parcel of land not too far from the Phoenix > metro area. It sits at the end of a primitive road that crosses a wide > swath of public land. The property is an isolated parcel, the entry > gate is locked and posted and, depending on how you count, it is > surrounded by at least 60,000 acres of public land. > > Now, perhaps you clean living folk can tell me why it is that instead of > recreating on land that is owned by every citizen, a vast number of > uninvited trespassers find the need to walk, ride, climb, go around or > crawl under our gate to look, play, trash, steal and vandalize. They > shoot holes in our signs, trees, rocks, and fences and let their dogs > and horses shit on every available flat spot. The leave their Frito > bags, pop cans and tracks; - - hiking boot or ATV, - - it's still a > track. They avail themselves of the green grass as a mating ground and > used condom depository. > > Now save your breath if you're getting ready to tell me that you don't > do that sort of thing. As a preamble to telling hundreds of intrusive > bastards to get the hell out and stay out, I patiently explain why they > are not welcome. So far, I've heard the same indignant retort from > almost every damned one of them. It goes something like this: > "I've been coming here for more than ___________ years and I've never > left so much as a cigarette butt of gum wrapper". "I always carry out > my own trash and pick up the other guy's litter when I leave". > > In order for me to believe that, I've got to also believe some raving > idiot in an aerial tanker is kicking out a dumpster full of crap at > least monthly. (Considering the number of beer cans and vodka bottles, > I suppose it could be an America West crew). > > To make bad matters worse the property is home to some very significant > archeological sites and petroglyphs. Those people who never disturb > anything have also used them for small arms and pistol targets and have > chiseled away at some of the ancient artwork. They climb around on them > like they're the Jungle Gym of the ancients. With whatever instrument > they have the dexterity to master they have etched their names on every > thing within reach. > > To provide more detail is to give directions to the place which will > only invite more trouble, so let me try to sum it up for you: > > 1. When you enter private property, do it as I would do if I entered > your home. Wait 'til you're invited. > > 2. If you are possessed with the overwhelming urge to screw up > property, either do it at home or on public land where you at least hold > some smattering of an ownership interest. > > 3. If you see a locked gate and a sign that clearly tells you to stay > out, then STAY THE HELL OUT! > > 4. If you happen to be among the illiterate minority, just study and > memorize the shape of the letters, N-O - - T-R-E-S-P-A-S-S-I-N-G. > > Thanks, and Good Geocaching, > > Ed > > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 03:48:53 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (loran @cox) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:48:53 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] cache stats (not that anyone is counting) References: <002101c23e8b$3c8a0650$3701a8c0@LARRY> Message-ID: <00f901c23e8e$8412d4e0$0400a8c0@one> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F6_01C23E53.D7787A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageMember only caches are counted as out of state caches by = azgeocaching.com. Their server is not a member so does not count member = only caches when counting AZ caches. Your total will be correct but your = AZ count will go down. Don't know how Dan Miller counts member only caches but the state stats = have been down for a while.=20 Loran (Team Sand Dollar)=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Larry Farquhar=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 8:25 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) I'm confused. I thought member caches count as a "find" just like a = regular cache. So how can it be different? What am I missing? Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com = [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = WOLFB8 Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 8:24 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) hmmm did not think about that...but guess that would be true = ...hell it will move up in the ranking and everyone one else = down....aren't stats just so subjective.... but that not why....I just do not want the influx of people this = weekend trashing my caches..just hope I got them hidden in time Libby We will be known by the tracks we leave behind ----- Original Message -----=20 From: loran @cox=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) Libby you just did that so Wyle can get credit for reaching 500 = Arizona Finds again. 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Member only caches are counted as out = of state=20 caches by azgeocaching.com. Their server is not a member so does = not count=20 member only caches when counting AZ caches. Your total will be correct = but your=20 AZ count will go down.

Don't know how Dan Miller counts member = only caches=20 but the state stats have been down for a while.

Loran (Team Sand = Dollar)

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Larry = Farquhar
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Wednesday, August 07, = 2002 8:25=20 PM

Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] = Destruction=20 of geological site(s?)

I'm=20 confused. I thought member caches count as a "find" just like a = regular cache.=20 So how can it be different? What am I missing?

Larry = Farquhar

Team "Wyle = E"

www.happy-wanderers.com

-----Original Message-----
From: az-geocachi= ng-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf = Of=20 WOLFB8
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 8:24 = PM
To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = Destruction=20 of geological site(s?)

hmmm did not think about = that...but guess=20 that would be true ...hell it will move up in the ranking and = everyone one=20 else down....aren't stats just so subjective....

but that not why....I just do = not want=20 the influx of people this weekend trashing my caches..just hope I = got them=20 hidden in time

Libby

We will be known by the tracks we leave behind

----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 loran=20 @cox
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20

Sent: Wednesday, August 07, = 2002 7:24=20 PM

Subject: Re: = [Az-Geocaching]=20 Destruction of geological site(s?)

Libby you just did that so Wyle = can get=20 credit for reaching 500 Arizona Finds again.

Team Sand=20 = Dollar

------=_NextPart_000_00F6_01C23E53.D7787A80-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 03:43:03 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jason Poulter) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 20:43:03 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) References: <15976-3D51E1C3-1039@storefull-2177.public.lawson.webtv.net> Message-ID: <3D51E8C7.8040108@snaptek.com> the author of the story is subscribed to this list so she has been seeing every response there is plus in duplicate if you count the ones that people emailed her directly patrick hopkins wrote: > is there any way that we can forward all of these responses to todays > article in the az republic to the author?? > > or to the paper itself?? > > > dont know if it would help any, but who knows ?? > > team lake havasu > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 04:07:21 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jason Poulter) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 21:07:21 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Archeaological Sites - Maybe They Caused the Problem Themselves? Message-ID: <3D51EE79.8080303@snaptek.com> Maybe Rand Hubbell, (one of the preople interviewed), of the Maricopa County Parks and Recreation Department has himself and his employer to blam for the increase of traffic in the White Tank Area.... check out his article... http://www.azod.com/Camp-Hiking/Archive/2002/New%20Trail%20to%20a%20Great%20Destination.htm From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 04:17:22 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jason Poulter) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 21:17:22 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Archeaological Sites - Maybe They Caused the Problem Themselves? References: <3D51EE79.8080303@snaptek.com> Message-ID: <3D51F0D2.8040408@snaptek.com> yes i know i can' spell... here are the corrected words people, blame, etc... if you find any other mispelled words im sorry about those too... ;) Jason Poulter wrote: > Maybe Rand Hubbell, (one of the preople interviewed), of the Maricopa > County Parks and Recreation Department has himself and his employer to > blam for the increase of traffic in the White Tank Area.... > > check out his article... > > http://www.azod.com/Camp-Hiking/Archive/2002/New%20Trail%20to%20a%20Great%20Destination.htm > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 04:20:34 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jason Poulter) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 21:20:34 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Archeaological Sites - Maybe They Caused the Problem Themselves? References: <3D51EE79.8080303@snaptek.com> <3D51F0D2.8040408@snaptek.com> Message-ID: <3D51F192.300@snaptek.com> damn can't even apologize without mispelling something.... Jason Poulter wrote: > yes i know i can' spell... here are the corrected words > > people, blame, etc... if you find any other mispelled words im sorry > about those too... ;) > > > > Jason Poulter wrote: > >> Maybe Rand Hubbell, (one of the preople interviewed), of the Maricopa >> County Parks and Recreation Department has himself and his employer to >> blam for the increase of traffic in the White Tank Area.... >> >> check out his article... >> >> http://www.azod.com/Camp-Hiking/Archive/2002/New%20Trail%20to%20a%20Great%20Destination.htm >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Az-Geocaching mailing list >> listserv@azgeocaching.com >> http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching >> >> Arizona's Geocaching Resource >> http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 04:29:38 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (patrick hopkins) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 21:29:38 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) In-Reply-To: Jason Poulter 's message of Wed, 07 Aug 2002 20:38:07 -0700 Message-ID: <25353-3D51F3B2-940@storefull-2174.public.lawson.webtv.net> --WebTV-Mail-18297-454 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit ed, im sure ALL of your complaints and problems are very REAL. !! and we can only hope that the general public can someday realize how much more beautiful "private" land, as well as "public" land looks when it is litter free. please take heart, (as we have) and HOPE for the best to come out of all of this in regards to this matter. team lake havasu (wendy, patrick, and dog) --WebTV-Mail-18297-454 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from smtpin-2205.public.lawson.webtv.net (209.240.213.135) by storefull-2172.public.lawson.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:45:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns2.sequoia.net (cpe-24-221-56-185.az.sprintbbd.net [24.221.56.185]) by smtpin-2205.public.lawson.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id A03B0FE10 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:45:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns2.sequoia.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ns2.sequoia.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA26184; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:45:23 -0700 Received: from sequoia.net (SEQUOIA.NET [207.246.52.5]) by ns2.sequoia.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA26132 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:40:09 -0700 Received: from fed1mtao02.cox.net (fed1mtao02.cox.net [68.6.19.243]) by sequoia.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A347A24A836 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:45:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from snaptek.com ([68.99.139.213]) by fed1mtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020808033811.BZFS14593.fed1mtao02.cox.net@snaptek.com> for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 23:38:11 -0400 Message-ID: <3D51E79F.90204@snaptek.com> From: Jason Poulter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.1b) Gecko/20020721 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) References: <53.1aa37603.2a831c21@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com Errors-To: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com X-BeenThere: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.7 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List for discussing Geocaching in Arizona List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 20:38:07 -0700 has anyone heard of a new invention called... WIND!!! Edchil38@aol.com wrote: > The first time I've heard of your organization was when I read the > article in this morning's edition of the /Arizona Republic/. I promptly > came home from breakfast and located your website for more information. > What you do for kicks seems to be a complete waste of time and a clear > sign of a bunch of people who don't have enough to do. However, it also > appears to be perfectly legal so if that happens to flip your switch, - > - have at it. > > BUT, - - DON'T DO IT IN MY BACKYARD. > > > Now having passed the intro, I'll give you a few things to ponder. > > We happen to have a remote parcel of land not too far from the Phoenix > metro area. It sits at the end of a primitive road that crosses a wide > swath of public land. The property is an isolated parcel, the entry > gate is locked and posted and, depending on how you count, it is > surrounded by at least 60,000 acres of public land. > > Now, perhaps you clean living folk can tell me why it is that instead of > recreating on land that is owned by every citizen, a vast number of > uninvited trespassers find the need to walk, ride, climb, go around or > crawl under our gate to look, play, trash, steal and vandalize. They > shoot holes in our signs, trees, rocks, and fences and let their dogs > and horses shit on every available flat spot. The leave their Frito > bags, pop cans and tracks; - - hiking boot or ATV, - - it's still a > track. They avail themselves of the green grass as a mating ground and > used condom depository. > > Now save your breath if you're getting ready to tell me that you don't > do that sort of thing. As a preamble to telling hundreds of intrusive > bastards to get the hell out and stay out, I patiently explain why they > are not welcome. So far, I've heard the same indignant retort from > almost every damned one of them. It goes something like this: > "I've been coming here for more than ___________ years and I've never > left so much as a cigarette butt of gum wrapper". "I always carry out > my own trash and pick up the other guy's litter when I leave". > > In order for me to believe that, I've got to also believe some raving > idiot in an aerial tanker is kicking out a dumpster full of crap at > least monthly. (Considering the number of beer cans and vodka bottles, > I suppose it could be an America West crew). > > To make bad matters worse the property is home to some very significant > archeological sites and petroglyphs. Those people who never disturb > anything have also used them for small arms and pistol targets and have > chiseled away at some of the ancient artwork. They climb around on them > like they're the Jungle Gym of the ancients. With whatever instrument > they have the dexterity to master they have etched their names on every > thing within reach. > > To provide more detail is to give directions to the place which will > only invite more trouble, so let me try to sum it up for you: > > 1. When you enter private property, do it as I would do if I entered > your home. Wait 'til you're invited. > > 2. If you are possessed with the overwhelming urge to screw up > property, either do it at home or on public land where you at least hold > some smattering of an ownership interest. > > 3. If you see a locked gate and a sign that clearly tells you to stay > out, then STAY THE HELL OUT! > > 4. If you happen to be among the illiterate minority, just study and > memorize the shape of the letters, N-O - - T-R-E-S-P-A-S-S-I-N-G. > > Thanks, and Good Geocaching, > > Ed > > _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com --WebTV-Mail-18297-454-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 05:01:37 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 01:01:37 EDT Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Damage to Archaeological sites Message-ID: <1a0.68d295e.2a835531@aol.com> --part1_1a0.68d295e.2a835531_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wanted to share the e-mail I sent to Christina Leonard with the entire Arizona geocaching community. Forgive me but I got a little wordy. (I think I have been reading too many RopingtheWind logs lol) Before reading my venting I would like to congratulate all of the teams who have recently reached the 500, 300, 200 and 100 find milestones. Ms. Leonard: I am writing to you in response to your "A high-tech scavenger hunt" article in today's Arizona Republic. I understand that you have received responses from several of my fellow "Geocachers" so forgive me if this is repetitive. First off let me say that I am strongly against those that disrespect our land. The opportunity to be involved in outdoor activities and enjoy the beautiful Arizona landscape are part of the reason I moved to this state from Chicago. I would feel outraged if the accusations that have been made regarding the destruction and theft at area archaeological sites is found to be true. That being said, I do not feel these public lands or historical sites should be closed because of the irresponsible actions of a few. On my way home from work tonight I witnessed somebody throw a wrapper out of their car window. While I was appalIed by this, I certainly do not feel we should shut down our highways because of this action. I was very disappointed to see that you have linked geocaching to this alleged destruction. As a geocacher who has posted over 300 finds, I make it a point to leave nothing but footprints and take nothing but pictures when I am out enjoying the oudoors. I cannot speak for all geocachers but the few teams that I have met in my travels have been kind, courteous, intelligent, responsible human beings who would not seem capable of committing the acts described in your article . I am proud to be associated with these people. The trait we all share together is the love and respect of nature. In reading your article I had a hard time finding any hard evidence that linked this to geocaching. From what I can see, your entire article was based on the opinions of a few potentially slanted individuals who would like to make these public sites off limits to all but a select few. These types of opinions/accusations would seem to be more appropriate for an editorial column rather than posted on the front page of the newspaper. I found the statements made by Truman Peters to be a personal attack against myself and two fellow geocachers. Mr. Peters has accused geocachers of damaging the trail and stealing artifacts such as grinding tools and broken pottery. These statements appear to be based on his visit to a site near Lake Pleasant on March 7, 2002. On March 3, 2002, two other unnamed individuals and I got together to search for this particular geocache. We were the only teams to find this cache prior to its removal on March 7. Using the logic that geocachers damaged the area and the fact that we were the only geocachers to find this site, Mr. Peters and yourself are accusing us/me of damaging this site. I take great offense to this allegation. Let me give you the facts of our March 3rd trip - assuming you are interested in facts. Following clearly marked 4x4 roads on a topographic map, I drove my Toyota Tacoma to within .31 miles of the cache. We parked our vehicles at the end of the road and hiked to the cache site. At no time while driving on these roads did we see any signs stating the area was off limits. There were no gates or fences or any other obstacles along the way that would indicate it was "illegal" as Mr. Peters put it to be in this area. Along our hike to the cache site, we did not see any evidence of any vehicle being driven off of the main trail. We found the geocache and signed the log book. We then took a few moments to enjoy the petroglyphs that were found on the large boulders in the area. At no time did we see, let alone take/destroy, any artifacts. We then headed back to our vehicles and followed the road out to Lake Pleasant. On our way out, we must have passed at least 4 quads within 1 mile of the area. I guess it would have been impossible for them to have damaged this site. Let me ask you something, if we went out there and destroyed this area, why would we sign our names in the logbook and come back and file a full report on the Internet for everybody to see? It is very unfortunate that there are a few individuals out there that do not respect our lands. It seems that this type of damage is becoming more and more common in society today. There are many variables that may have led to these instances. The population of Arizona and the West Valley in particular have increased dramatically in recent years. Many of the areas that were previously used for activities such as hiking and 4-wheel driving have been closed or purchased by developers. If you drive around the Lake Pleasant area on any given weekend you will see numerous individuals driving their ATV's or 4x4 vehicles, riding on horseback, hiking, and yes even geocaching. The math is pretty simple, more people and less land available is bound to cause some problems. To make the allegation without any hard evidence that geocaching is the reason for this damage seems to be a leap of faith and in my opinion irresponsible. I would be very interested in hearing about any real evidence that substantiates your article. Presenting this evidence through a forum such as the Listserve found at Azgeocaching.com would seem to be a reasonable request. Thank you for your time. Jim Ward (AZSaluki) --part1_1a0.68d295e.2a835531_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wanted to share the e-mail I sent to Christina Leonard with the entire Arizona geocaching community. Forgive me but I got a little wordy. (I think I have been reading too many RopingtheWind logs lol)

Before reading my venting I would like to congratulate all of the teams who have recently reached the 500, 300, 200 and 100 find milestones.

Ms. Leonard:

I am writing to you in response to your "A high-tech scavenger hunt" article in today's Arizona Republic. I understand that you have received responses from several of my fellow "Geocachers" so forgive me if this is repetitive.

First off let me say that I am strongly against those that disrespect our land. The opportunity to be involved in outdoor activities and enjoy the beautiful Arizona landscape are part of the reason I moved to this state from Chicago. I would feel outraged if the accusations that have been made regarding the destruction and theft at area archaeological sites is found to be true. That being said, I do not feel these public lands or historical sites should be closed because of the irresponsible actions of a few. On my way home from work tonight I witnessed somebody throw a wrapper out of their car window. While I was appalIed by this, I certainly do not feel we should shut down our highways because of this action.

I was very disappointed to see that you have linked geocaching to this alleged destruction. As a geocacher who has posted over 300 finds, I make it a point to leave nothing but footprints and take nothing but pictures when I am out enjoying the oudoors. I cannot speak for all geocachers but the few teams that I have met in my travels have been kind, courteous, intelligent, responsible human beings who would not seem capable of committing the acts described in your article . I am proud to be associated with these people. The trait we all share together is the love and respect of nature.

In reading your article I had a hard time finding any hard evidence that linked this to geocaching. From what I can see, your entire article was based on the opinions of a few potentially slanted individuals who would like to make these public sites off limits to all but a select few. These types of opinions/accusations would seem to be more appropriate for an editorial column rather than posted on the front page of the newspaper.

I found the statements made by Truman Peters to be a personal attack against myself and two fellow geocachers. Mr. Peters has accused geocachers of damaging the trail and stealing artifacts such as grinding tools and broken pottery. These statements appear to be based on his visit to a site near Lake Pleasant on March 7, 2002. On March 3, 2002, two other unnamed individuals and I got together to search for this particular geocache. We were the only teams to find this cache prior to its removal on March 7. Using the logic that geocachers damaged the area and the fact that we were the only geocachers to find this site, Mr. Peters and yourself are accusing us/me of damaging this site. I take great offense to this allegation. Let me give you the facts of our March 3rd trip - assuming you are interested in facts. Following clearly marked 4x4 roads on a topographic map, I drove my Toyota Tacoma to within .31 miles of the cache. We parked our vehicles at the end of the road and hiked to the cache site. At no time while driving on these roads did we see any signs stating the area was off limits. There were no gates or fences or any other obstacles along the way that would indicate it was "illegal" as Mr. Peters put it to be in this area. Along our hike to the cache site, we did not see any evidence of any vehicle being driven off of the main trail. We found the geocache and signed the log book. We then took a few moments to enjoy the petroglyphs that were found on the large boulders in the area. At no time did we see, let alone take/destroy, any artifacts. We then headed back to our vehicles and followed the road out to Lake Pleasant. On our way out, we must have passed at least 4 quads within 1 mile of the area. I guess it would have been impossible for them to have damaged this site. Let me ask you something, if we went out there and destroyed this area, why would we sign our names in the logbook and come back and file a full report on the Internet for everybody to see?

It is very unfortunate that there are a few individuals out there that do not respect our lands. It seems that this type of damage is becoming more and more common in society today. There are many variables that may have led to these instances. The population of Arizona and the West Valley in particular have increased dramatically in recent years. Many of the areas that were previously used for activities such as hiking and 4-wheel driving have been closed or purchased by developers. If you drive around the Lake Pleasant area on any given weekend you will see numerous individuals driving their ATV's or 4x4 vehicles, riding on horseback, hiking, and yes even geocaching. The math is pretty simple, more people and less land available is bound to cause some problems. To make the allegation without any hard evidence that geocaching is the reason for this damage seems to be a leap of faith and in my opinion irresponsible. I would be very interested in hearing about any real evidence that substantiates your article. Presenting this evidence through a forum such as the Listserve found at Azgeocaching.com would seem to be a reasonable request.

Thank you for your time.

Jim Ward (AZSaluki)

--part1_1a0.68d295e.2a835531_boundary-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 05:46:28 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Kyle Hagan) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 22:46:28 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Geo sites. (long but please read) References: <20020807131720.49021.qmail@web13106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01a001c23e9e$f12e6660$6400a8c0@VAIO> Ok, How about instead of fingerpointing and bashing. Why dont we schedule a meeting and trip to meet with the accusers and the media to view the trash they say is caused by geocaching. And I would volunteer to help with a cleanup of the areas affected. I a Member of the Jeep club and I also enjoy Geocaching. I personally would hate for either group to be blamed for causing this kind of damage. I just moved to the Phoenix area in April and have yet to go Caching. My twins love to go out and 'Treasure Hunt' as they call it. We have hit several sites where we moved from in Central Florida. We always took garbage bag with us to clean up the mess in the area. While in Florida I placed a cache in an area that looked like a small garbage dump. When I placed the cache I took out several bags of garbage., and put a note on the web site that the area had alot of trash. Every time I went back to check on the cache the trash was quickly being cleaned up. When I left Florida I checked the cache area and It was almost like there had never been trash there at all. One reason I put the cache in that place was to help clean out the area. And it worked very well. It not only provided a good time for poeple searching it also cleaned up the area dramatically. I think we could better our image if we were to meet with the officials in the area and help clean up the area. It would NOT be a sign that we were guilty of the mess but a sign that we really care about this problem and dont want to have a bad picture of our Hobby. I am not fimiliar with indian ruins, artifacts and petroglyphs area. I probabally wouldnt know one if I was standing in one. I would love to visit one and I definatelly would not want to destroy and areas of this type, and I think most others feel the same. I could be a good idea to know for our group to know what to look form so we stay away from them. We could schedule this tripand have a BBQ to promote the Hobby and help Maricopa County Parks and Recreation Department to educate others about these types of areas. Kyle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Quinn" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 6:17 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) > Front page news on the Arizona Republic. You can read > it on the web at > http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0807cache07.html > > Lake Pleasant and the White Tanks are the areas named. > The article seemed short on proof that geocachers were > responsible. > > I think that we're about to see a number of government > agencies pull caches that they didn't know exists or > knew about but didn't care about. I also think that > the addage "there's no such thing as bad publicity" is > going to generate a ton of geocaching activity this > weekend and next from new cachers. > > > Eric > TD > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > http://health.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 05:50:27 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 22:50:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Who's got the Ferrari Message-ID: <20020807225029.11662.h011.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Awww.....**blush** thanks Bob! (unfortuneately, I AM old enuff by quite a bit....um....20 years ago I was, uh, in my 20's. *grin* Trisha Bob Renner wrote: > > Trisha, > > Twenty years ago! Were you old enough to drive then? > > Bob > > --- trisha@brasher.com wrote: > > I drove a red Ferrari around for awhile...oh, about > > 20 years ago, > > while dating a doctor! Fun car, impractical for some > > applications. > > Trisha "Lightning" > > Prescott Valley > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > http://health.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Although no one can go back and make a brand new start, Anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 06:01:39 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 02:01:39 EDT Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Fw: [az_vjc] High Tech scavenger hunt article. Message-ID: <192.b243097.2a836343@aol.com> --part1_192.b243097.2a836343_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kyle, apparently you missed my second message where I apologized for my perhaps poorly written sarcasm. I certainly was not blaming the ATV community for the damage either. I was only trying to show how the few can ruin it for the many, regardless of the activity. I agree that finger pointing and name calling will get us nowhere. Therefore I will not over react to your rather pointed email at me. We all must take responsibity for ourselves, as well as for those who act with disregard to laws and respect of public lands. I always try to leave an area as clean or better than when I arrived, whether hiking, 4x4ing, biking, backpacking, whatever. I apologize again for any offense caused. Please have the decency to forward this to your list serve as well. Jean roadrunners --part1_192.b243097.2a836343_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kyle,
apparently you missed my second message where I apologized for my perhaps poorly written sarcasm. I certainly was not blaming the ATV community for the damage either. I was only trying to show how the few can ruin it for the many, regardless of the activity. I agree that finger pointing and name calling will get us nowhere. Therefore I will not over react to your rather pointed email at me. We all must take responsibity for ourselves, as well as for those who act with disregard to laws and respect of public lands. I always try to leave an area as clean or better than when I arrived, whether hiking, 4x4ing, biking, backpacking, whatever. I apologize again for any offense caused. Please have the decency to forward this to your list serve as well.
Jean
roadrunners --part1_192.b243097.2a836343_boundary-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 06:16:15 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Kyle Hagan) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 23:16:15 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Fw: [az_vjc] High Tech scavenger hunt article. References: <192.b243097.2a836343@aol.com> Message-ID: <000e01c23ea3$1a865dc0$6400a8c0@VAIO> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C23E68.6DD06510 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable just FYI... That message was from the other list and not directly from = me. I will forward the message to the other list... Kyle ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jeakell@aol.com=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Fw: [az_vjc] High Tech scavenger hunt = article. Kyle, apparently you missed my second message where I apologized for my = perhaps poorly written sarcasm. I certainly was not blaming the ATV = community for the damage either. I was only trying to show how the few = can ruin it for the many, regardless of the activity. I agree that = finger pointing and name calling will get us nowhere. Therefore I will = not over react to your rather pointed email at me. We all must take = responsibity for ourselves, as well as for those who act with disregard = to laws and respect of public lands. I always try to leave an area as = clean or better than when I arrived, whether hiking, 4x4ing, biking, = backpacking, whatever. I apologize again for any offense caused. Please = have the decency to forward this to your list serve as well. Jean roadrunners ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C23E68.6DD06510 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

just FYI... That message was from the = other list=20 and not directly from me. I will forward the message to the other=20 list...

Kyle

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Jeakell@aol.com=20

To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Wednesday, August 07, = 2002 11:01=20 PM

Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = Fw: [az_vjc]=20 High Tech scavenger hunt article.

Kyle,
apparently you = missed my=20 second message where I apologized for my perhaps poorly written = sarcasm. I=20 certainly was not blaming the ATV community for the damage either. I = was only=20 trying to show how the few can ruin it for the many, regardless of the = activity. I agree that finger pointing and name calling will get us = nowhere.=20 Therefore I will not over react to your rather pointed email at = me. We=20 all must take responsibity for ourselves, as well as for those who act = with=20 disregard to laws and respect of public lands. I always try to leave = an area=20 as clean or better than when I arrived, whether hiking, 4x4ing, = biking,=20 backpacking, whatever. I apologize again for any offense caused. = Please have=20 the decency to forward this to your list serve as=20 well.
Jean
roadrunners ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C23E68.6DD06510-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 09:06:23 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Nicol) Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 02:06:23 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) Message-ID: Howdy All, First off, I am VERY disturbed by the article in the AZ Republic. I always seemed to be a newspaper dedicated to keeping us Arizonans informed with the latest news, etc. I never thought it would become an editorial newpaper. I felt like I was reading the National Enquirer when I read that article. We have cancelled our subscription to the AZ Republic. We want to read about the news, not one persons views and thoughts (on the front page no less). I think it is disgusting that the paper would even allow such a report be written up without more evidence. The article is totally one sided and only speaks of a couple of people's views. I don't think I have EVER read an article in a newspaper that literally slammed a certain hobby/sport/subject, etc like that one did without the facts and evidence to back up such claims. I will not go into expressing my views and thoughts on the subject anymore as it would be very repetitious. I got into and enjoying geocaching for many of the same reasons most others do- to get outdoors more and enjoy nature and visit new places, meet new people, and the hobby also provides a great way for me to 'keep in shape' and provides me plenty of excercise with all the hiking I have been doing these days. Mr. Peters beleives that geocaching is responsible for the damage to the archaeological site he watches over. He has come to that conclusion because he has seen an increase in activity around the area since a geocache was placed there. Therefore, he feels that geocaching is the culprit. It is very possible the damage was indeed caused since after the cache was hidden there. I do not in any way beleive that geocachers caused that damage. However... A question to ponder: is it possible that a non-geocacher(s) happened upon the Geocaching.com web site (there have been articles on geocaching before in the newspaper and there are plenty of people outside our hobby that know about it) and saw the listing for that cache (and other caches) and therefore went out and visited the site? There may have been several new visitors to that site by way of the web site. Unfortunately, there are people and will always be people who have nothing better to do than spoil someone else's fun. Someone will see the geocaching.com web site and find a cache listed, go out there and remove it or destroy it... just to make it hard on those trying to find it. Don't think there aren't people out there like that... there are. (I once had a write up on my business in the Mesa Tribune and that day and soon after I had several crank calls from kids just screwing around). I personally fear that this kind of thing will begin to happen since the article was published. How many caches will suddenly dissapear in the coming weeks? I can understand why Libby has suddenly made several of her caches 'members only' caches. I am kinda bummed to hear that she has done that though, since I am not a dues paying member of geocaching.com and I cannot go seek out her members only caches. I have always enjoyed Libby's caches. I for one sure do not want to go hiking up to the top of some mountain on a 105 degree afternoon only to not be able to find a cache because someone took it. Now, I know there are some who will not agree with me on this: but, the reasons above are just another good reason to make the Geocaching.com web site access available to members only. Anyone could bring up the site and learn more about geocaching, but, only members would be able to read the pages containing information about caches and the logs. I am not saying that it should be a 'pay to access' site. I myself am not a dues paying member of geocaching.com. What I am saying is that maybe the cache pages should be available ONLY to those who have an 'account'. Much like we already have now. This may not stop everyone, but, it would be a deterant to those who don't want to waste their time setting up an account and for those that fear for putting any personal information on the net. This way, only geocachers (those active in the hobby) would be viewing details, coordinates, etc about each cache. This really would not change a thing to all of us who already log into geocaching.com. However, those looking at the web site for the first time, would only be able to see the home page and pages that detail what the hobby is about and how to get involved, etc. They would need an account to be able to view the cache pages. This isnt THE answer, but, it is a thought and I think a valid one. I would be curious to hear other's thoughts on this. Scott Team Ropingthewind _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 11:24:30 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Charlie Ferrell) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 04:24:30 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] newbie to the scene Message-ID: <009501c23ece$2a1acde0$af060344@cx1217841a> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0092_01C23E93.7D8C8170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I picked up this web site from the article in the Republic that you all = seemed to enjoy so much. I had never heard of geocaching before but it = sounds fun and will give me some direction in my aimless wanderings = through the state when I am not bow hunting. Happy and safe hunting to = all. Charlie Ferrell II (AKA crazyarcher) P.S. I would have started geocaching long ago but I had never heard of = it, so please don't shoot me for the way I got into the game. ------=_NextPart_000_0092_01C23E93.7D8C8170 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I picked up this web site from the = article in=20 the Republic that you all seemed to enjoy so much. I had never heard of=20 geocaching before but it sounds fun and will give me some direction in = my=20 aimless wanderings through the state when I am not bow hunting. Happy = and safe=20 hunting to all.

Charlie Ferrell II (AKA = crazyarcher)

P.S. I would have started = geocaching long ago=20 but I had never heard of it, so please don't shoot me for the way I got = into the=20 game.

------=_NextPart_000_0092_01C23E93.7D8C8170-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 12:45:50 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Farquhar, Larry) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 05:45:50 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] cache stats (not that anyone is counting) Message-ID: <5EDEA14A2792394EA7D482E702C4C6DB02254150@ipnismtp1.ipni.com> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C23ED9.86430640 Content-Type: text/plain Aha! Thanks Loran and Libby - that does explain it. But who follows the stats anyways. :) Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com -----Original Message----- From: loran @cox [mailto:loranwilcox@cox.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 8:49 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] cache stats (not that anyone is counting) Member only caches are counted as out of state caches by azgeocaching.com. Their server is not a member so does not count member only caches when counting AZ caches. Your total will be correct but your AZ count will go down. Don't know how Dan Miller counts member only caches but the state stats have been down for a while. Loran (Team Sand Dollar) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C23ED9.86430640 Content-Type: text/html Message

Aha! Thanks Loran and Libby - that does explain it. But who follows the stats anyways. :)

Larry Farquhar
Team "Wyle E"
www.happy-wanderers.com

-----Original Message-----
From: loran @cox [mailto:loranwilcox@cox.net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 8:49 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] cache stats (not that anyone is counting)

Member only caches are counted as out of state caches by azgeocaching.com. Their server is not a member so does not count member only caches when counting AZ caches. Your total will be correct but your AZ count will go down.

Don't know how Dan Miller counts member only caches but the state stats have been down for a while.

Loran (Team Sand Dollar)

------_=_NextPart_001_01C23ED9.86430640-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 13:00:08 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Farquhar, Larry) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 06:00:08 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] newbie to the scene Message-ID: <5EDEA14A2792394EA7D482E702C4C6DB02254154@ipnismtp1.ipni.com> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C23EDB.85DCB870 Content-Type: text/plain Welcome Charlie (crazyarcher)! Once you get out and find a few geocaches, you'll be hooked. It's one of those games that sounds weird, until you've done it. Hope to see you on the trails sometime! Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com -----Original Message----- From: Charlie Ferrell [mailto:eyebeme@cox.net] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 4:25 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] newbie to the scene I picked up this web site from the article in the Republic that you all seemed to enjoy so much. I had never heard of geocaching before but it sounds fun and will give me some direction in my aimless wanderings through the state when I am not bow hunting. Happy and safe hunting to all. Charlie Ferrell II (AKA crazyarcher) P.S. I would have started geocaching long ago but I had never heard of it, so please don't shoot me for the way I got into the game. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C23EDB.85DCB870 Content-Type: text/html Message

Welcome Charlie (crazyarcher)!

Once you get out and find a few geocaches, you'll be hooked. It's one of those games that sounds weird, until you've done it.

Hope to see you on the trails sometime!

Larry Farquhar
Team "Wyle E"
www.happy-wanderers.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlie Ferrell [mailto:eyebeme@cox.net]
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 4:25 AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] newbie to the scene

I picked up this web site from the article in the Republic that you all seemed to enjoy so much. I had never heard of geocaching before but it sounds fun and will give me some direction in my aimless wanderings through the state when I am not bow hunting. Happy and safe hunting to all.

Charlie Ferrell II (AKA crazyarcher)

P.S. I would have started geocaching long ago but I had never heard of it, so please don't shoot me for the way I got into the game.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C23EDB.85DCB870-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 13:05:21 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Eric Quinn) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 06:05:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] newbie to the scene In-Reply-To: <009501c23ece$2a1acde0$af060344@cx1217841a> Message-ID: <20020808130521.79163.qmail@web13113.mail.yahoo.com> Welcome to our sport! Eric Team Dragon --- Charlie Ferrell wrote: > I picked up this web site from the article in the > Republic that you all seemed to enjoy so much. I had > never heard of geocaching before but it sounds fun > and will give me some direction in my aimless > wanderings through the state when I am not bow > hunting. Happy and safe hunting to all. > > Charlie Ferrell II (AKA crazyarcher) > > P.S. I would have started geocaching long ago but I > had never heard of it, so please don't shoot me for > the way I got into the game. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 13:29:10 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Farquhar, Larry) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 06:29:10 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Roadrunner's slam on 4-wheeling Message-ID: <5EDEA14A2792394EA7D482E702C4C6DB02254158@ipnismtp1.ipni.com> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C23EDF.94375AC0 Content-Type: text/plain All; You may have read the Email from Stu Olson to the list, responding to Roadrunner's original slam on ATV and 4-Wheelers. Stu's a a very active member of the Arizona Virtual Jeep Club (AZVJC), and is VERY active in fighting to keep our public lands open for the public (us). After reading Roadrunner's original Email, I also was very upset. But I knew the intent wasn't to slam 4-wheeling in general, but those few "rotten apples" who give 4-wheeling a bad name. I'm also a member of the AZVJC. However, geocaching has made me fairly inactive with the AZVJC. I know there's other AZVJC members who are geocachers. Before Stu knew about Roadrunner's Email to this list, Stu had already Emailed a letter to the AZ Republic. Stu, and the entire AZVJC, are friends fighting to keep lands open to geocaching and responsible 4-wheeling. The following is Stu's Email to Ms. Leonard: Ms. Leonard, I read your "A high-tech scavenger hunt" article in today's newspaper. Although I am not a "geocacher", I am aware of the popularity it has gained over the past years. With the improvements in GPS receivers and their drop in price, it is certainly easy to be the proud owner of one of these little beauties. One item was incorrectly reported in your article. You stated (on page A2) that "Geocaching began in May 2000 when the Clinton administration unscrambled the electronic signals of the government-owned global positioning sytem, allowing civilians to use devices to steer cars or find missing hikers with pinpoint accuracy." While it is true that geocaching may very well have started in May, 2000, it was not because of any actions taken by the Clinton Administration. On or about May 1, 2002, then President Clinton lifted the requirement that caused the intentional degradation in the accuracy of the GPS signal. Neither he nor his administration can be given any kind of credit for making the GPS technology available to the civilian population and its subsequent use for steering cars or finding lost hikers. I was using a consumer grade GPS receiver long before May 1, 2000. As to your comment about it being able to steer a car....no...no...no! Would you feel confident in a car with a "steering system" that could guide your vehicle to within an accuracy of 6 to 20 feet? (those are your numbers, not mine) Thank you but no....I prefer to "steer" my vehicle with more precision than that. I am afraid that a 6 to 20 foot error would very well put me into the path of dangerous oncoming traffic. But, enough about the basics of GPS reception. I need to get to the point of this correspondence. As an environmentalist that fully enjoys virtually everything our public lands have to offer, I am saddened to hear that some irresponsible people are leaving their trash behind, making new trails, and even picking up native artifacts they find in a geocache area. I wonder how many of these people are familiar with the laws concerning removing an item from an archaeological site? I can tell you, from first hand experience, that many people have no idea that driving across the desert or up a big hill, where there is no trail, is unlawful in most of Arizona. I can speak to people leaving their trash behind....any road trip down I-10 or I-17 will yield supporting evidence that people certainly do litter. The main point I found quite interesting is the apparent blame that your article places on those people that are participating in the geocaching sport (I guess we can call it a sport?) Let's first look at the facts you stated in the article: 1. There are at least 18 known Arizona caches listed on the Internet that are on or near archaeological sites. (you didn't mention how many were actually on a site) 2. There are more than 10,900 known archaeological sites in Maricopa County. 3. There are more than 50,400 archaeological sites in Arizona, not including those on Tribal lands. 4. You stated that most of the archaeological locations have been kept secret for years, and officials have even required a new site steward to sign a confidentiality agreement. So...let me see if I understand what you are really saying. 1. 0.0357143% of the geocache sites are located on or near an archaeological site in this state. 2. Virtually no one, except the trusted site stewards and specific land management officials, no where the archaeological sites are.....and we have one or two site stewards (that you interviewed) that are upset because three and one half hundreths of just one percent of the total geocache sites in Arizona happen to be put on these secret archaeological sites. It is sad that the geocachers are being held up as those that are ruining our archaeological sites but yet we won't tell them where the sites are so they wouldn't accidentally put their cache "at or near" an archaeological site. I realize this might very well be a damned if you do, damned if you don't kind of situation, but please apply some common sense here. Your article indicates that many of the Arizona geocaches are in remote locations....places that are difficult to get to. So, we then say shame on the geocachers for picking a challenging location to hide their cache.....and when it just happens to be on a secret archaeological site that no one told them about.....and it is their fault? You've got to be kidding, right? Maybe it is not quite as bad as I am led to believe? Perhaps another way to look at it is: 1. Wouldn't it be great if only 0.0357143% of our teenage population didn't complete high school? 2. Wouldn't it be great if only 0.0357143% of the people driving through a Phoenix intersection ran the red light? I do commend you for reporting that Mr. Brian Cluff, a person who helps run AZgeocaching.com, has not been contacted or notified about the apparent problem that is occuring at or near the secret archaeological sites. However, it is sad that the amount of text you devoted to Mr. Cluff is approximately 0.0357143% of your article. None the less....I am certain that all reading it will in no way be biased by this. Now that you have identified this problem, what are the paper's plans to help correct it? From what was written, it appears that a strong push towards educating those that enjoy geocaching would certainly go a long way in correcting this problem. Perhaps some public awareness commercials on the local TV stations (maybe even radio too) would make more aware of their inapropriate actions. Remeber, we have people randomly hiding little tuperware containers of goodies on secret archaeological sites that they have no knowledge of. I look forward to your next article that outlines the plans that will be implemented to help curb this problem. King Regards, Stu Olson Phoenix ------_=_NextPart_001_01C23EDF.94375AC0 Content-Type: text/html Message

All;

You may have read the Email from Stu Olson to the list, responding to Roadrunner's original slam on ATV and 4-Wheelers. Stu's a a very active member of the Arizona Virtual Jeep Club (AZVJC), and is VERY active in fighting to keep our public lands open for the public (us). After reading Roadrunner's original Email, I also was very upset. But I knew the intent wasn't to slam 4-wheeling in general, but those few "rotten apples" who give 4-wheeling a bad name. I'm also a member of the AZVJC. However, geocaching has made me fairly inactive with the AZVJC. I know there's other AZVJC members who are geocachers.

Before Stu knew about Roadrunner's Email to this list, Stu had already Emailed a letter to the AZ Republic. Stu, and the entire AZVJC, are friends fighting to keep lands open to geocaching and responsible 4-wheeling. The following is Stu's Email to Ms. Leonard:

Ms. Leonard,

I read your "A high-tech scavenger hunt" article in today's newspaper. Although I am not a "geocacher", I am aware of the popularity it has gained over the past years. With the improvements in GPS receivers and their drop in price, it is certainly easy to be the proud owner of one of these little beauties.

One item was incorrectly reported in your article. You stated (on page A2) that "Geocaching began in May 2000 when the Clinton administration unscrambled the electronic signals of the government-owned global positioning sytem, allowing civilians to use devices to steer cars or find missing hikers with pinpoint accuracy." While it is true that geocaching may very well have started in May, 2000, it was not because of any actions taken by the Clinton Administration. On or about May 1, 2002, then President Clinton lifted the requirement that caused the intentional degradation in the accuracy of the GPS signal. Neither he nor his administration can be given any kind of credit for making the GPS technology available to the civilian population and its subsequent use for steering cars or finding lost hikers. I was using a consumer grade GPS receiver long before May 1, 2000. As to your comment about it being able to steer a car....no...no...no! Would you feel confident in a car with a "steering system" that could guide your vehicle to within an accuracy of 6 to 20 feet? (those are your numbers, not mine) Thank you but no....I prefer to "steer" my vehicle with more precision than that. I am afraid that a 6 to 20 foot error would very well put me into the path of dangerous oncoming traffic.

But, enough about the basics of GPS reception. I need to get to the point of this correspondence. As an environmentalist that fully enjoys virtually everything our public lands have to offer, I am saddened to hear that some irresponsible people are leaving their trash behind, making new trails, and even picking up native artifacts they find in a geocache area. I wonder how many of these people are familiar with the laws concerning removing an item from an archaeological site? I can tell you, from first hand experience, that many people have no idea that driving across the desert or up a big hill, where there is no trail, is unlawful in most of Arizona. I can speak to people leaving their trash behind....any road trip down I-10 or I-17 will yield supporting evidence that people certainly do litter.

The main point I found quite interesting is the apparent blame that your article places on those people that are participating in the geocaching sport (I guess we can call it a sport?) Let's first look at the facts you stated in the article:

1. There are at least 18 known Arizona caches listed on the Internet that are on or near archaeological sites. (you didn't mention how many were actually on a site)

2. There are more than 10,900 known archaeological sites in Maricopa County.

3. There are more than 50,400 archaeological sites in Arizona, not including those on Tribal lands.

4. You stated that most of the archaeological locations have been kept secret for years, and officials have even required a new site steward to sign a confidentiality agreement.

So...let me see if I understand what you are really saying.

1. 0.0357143% of the geocache sites are located on or near an archaeological site in this state.

2. Virtually no one, except the trusted site stewards and specific land management officials, no where the archaeological sites are.....and we have one or two site stewards (that you interviewed) that are upset because three and one half hundreths of just one percent of the total geocache sites in Arizona happen to be put on these secret archaeological sites.

It is sad that the geocachers are being held up as those that are ruining our archaeological sites but yet we won't tell them where the sites are so they wouldn't accidentally put their cache "at or near" an archaeological site. I realize this might very well be a damned if you do, damned if you don't kind of situation, but please apply some common sense here. Your article indicates that many of the Arizona geocaches are in remote locations....places that are difficult to get to. So, we then say shame on the geocachers for picking a challenging location to hide their cache.....and when it just happens to be on a secret archaeological site that no one told them about.....and it is their fault? You've got to be kidding, right?

Maybe it is not quite as bad as I am led to believe? Perhaps another way to look at it is:

1. Wouldn't it be great if only 0.0357143% of our teenage population didn't complete high school?

2. Wouldn't it be great if only 0.0357143% of the people driving through a Phoenix intersection ran the red light?

I do commend you for reporting that Mr. Brian Cluff, a person who helps run AZgeocaching.com, has not been contacted or notified about the apparent problem that is occuring at or near the secret archaeological sites. However, it is sad that the amount of text you devoted to Mr. Cluff is approximately 0.0357143% of your article. None the less....I am certain that all reading it will in no way be biased by this.

Now that you have identified this problem, what are the paper's plans to help correct it? From what was written, it appears that a strong push towards educating those that enjoy geocaching would certainly go a long way in correcting this problem. Perhaps some public awareness commercials on the local TV stations (maybe even radio too) would make more aware of their inapropriate actions. Remeber, we have people randomly hiding little tuperware containers of goodies on secret archaeological sites that they have no knowledge of.

I look forward to your next article that outlines the plans that will be implemented to help curb this problem.

King Regards,

Stu Olson

Phoenix

------_=_NextPart_001_01C23EDF.94375AC0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 13:41:38 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (loran @cox) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 06:41:38 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) References: Message-ID: <001501c23ee1$52729580$0400a8c0@one> The site that Mr. Peters says has all the damage is the one in the White Tanks. What is interesting is that site has had only 3 visits. Mr. Peters only know that there is a cache nearby but does not know where it is located. I myself have been to the site and although it is a bit offtrail (approx .1 miles) it is in an area that gets a lot of visitors. I saw no evidence of any archeological site near the cache or on my way to it. Loran (Team Sand Dollar) ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Nicol To: Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:06 AM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) > Howdy All, > > First off, I am VERY disturbed by the article in the AZ Republic. I always > seemed to be a newspaper dedicated to keeping us Arizonans informed with the > latest news, etc. I never thought it would become an editorial newpaper. I > felt like I was reading the National Enquirer when I read that article. We > have cancelled our subscription to the AZ Republic. We want to read about > the news, not one persons views and thoughts (on the front page no less). > > I think it is disgusting that the paper would even allow such a report be > written up without more evidence. The article is totally one sided and only > speaks of a couple of people's views. I don't think I have EVER read an > article in a newspaper that literally slammed a certain hobby/sport/subject, > etc like that one did without the facts and evidence to back up such claims. > > I will not go into expressing my views and thoughts on the subject anymore > as it would be very repetitious. I got into and enjoying geocaching for many > of the same reasons most others do- to get outdoors more and enjoy nature > and visit new places, meet new people, and the hobby also provides a great > way for me to 'keep in shape' and provides me plenty of excercise with all > the hiking I have been doing these days. > > Mr. Peters beleives that geocaching is responsible for the damage to the > archaeological site he watches over. He has come to that conclusion because > he has seen an increase in activity around the area since a geocache was > placed there. Therefore, he feels that geocaching is the culprit. It is very > possible the damage was indeed caused since after the cache was hidden > there. I do not in any way beleive that geocachers caused that damage. > However... > > A question to ponder: is it possible that a non-geocacher(s) happened upon > the Geocaching.com web site (there have been articles on geocaching before > in the newspaper and there are plenty of people outside our hobby that know > about it) and saw the listing for that cache (and other caches) and > therefore went out and visited the site? There may have been several new > visitors to that site by way of the web site. Unfortunately, there are > people and will always be people who have nothing better to do than spoil > someone else's fun. Someone will see the geocaching.com web site and find a > cache listed, go out there and remove it or destroy it... just to make it > hard on those trying to find it. Don't think there aren't people out there > like that... there are. (I once had a write up on my business in the Mesa > Tribune and that day and soon after I had several crank calls from kids just > screwing around). I personally fear that this kind of thing will begin to > happen since the article was published. How many caches will suddenly > dissapear in the coming weeks? I can understand why Libby has suddenly made > several of her caches 'members only' caches. I am kinda bummed to hear that > she has done that though, since I am not a dues paying member of > geocaching.com and I cannot go seek out her members only caches. I have > always enjoyed Libby's caches. I for one sure do not want to go hiking up to > the top of some mountain on a 105 degree afternoon only to not be able to > find a cache because someone took it. > > Now, I know there are some who will not agree with me on this: but, the > reasons above are just another good reason to make the Geocaching.com web > site access available to members only. Anyone could bring up the site and > learn more about geocaching, but, only members would be able to read the > pages containing information about caches and the logs. I am not saying that > it should be a 'pay to access' site. I myself am not a dues paying member of > geocaching.com. What I am saying is that maybe the cache pages should be > available ONLY to those who have an 'account'. Much like we already have > now. This may not stop everyone, but, it would be a deterant to those who > don't want to waste their time setting up an account and for those that fear > for putting any personal information on the net. This way, only geocachers > (those active in the hobby) would be viewing details, coordinates, etc about > each cache. This really would not change a thing to all of us who already > log into geocaching.com. However, those looking at the web site for the > first time, would only be able to see the home page and pages that detail > what the hobby is about and how to get involved, etc. They would need an > account to be able to view the cache pages. This isnt THE answer, but, it is > a thought and I think a valid one. > > I would be curious to hear other's thoughts on this. > > Scott > Team Ropingthewind > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 13:48:50 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (WOLFB8) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 06:48:50 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] camp out References: Message-ID: <021d01c23ee2$8d1fd5c0$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_021A_01C23EA7.A73C4280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable was just looking at the advent caches and from the calendar it looks = like the campout has already happened... not sure what is wrong but some = may want to have a look Libby We will be known by the tracks we leave behind ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Scott Nicol=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:06 AM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Destruction of geological site(s?) Howdy All, First off, I am VERY disturbed by the article in the AZ Republic. I = always=20 seemed to be a newspaper dedicated to keeping us Arizonans informed = with the=20 latest news, etc. I never thought it would become an editorial = newpaper. I=20 felt like I was reading the National Enquirer when I read that = article. We=20 have cancelled our subscription to the AZ Republic. We want to read = about=20 the news, not one persons views and thoughts (on the front page no = less). I think it is disgusting that the paper would even allow such a report = be=20 written up without more evidence. The article is totally one sided and = only=20 speaks of a couple of people's views. I don't think I have EVER read = an=20 article in a newspaper that literally slammed a certain = hobby/sport/subject,=20 etc like that one did without the facts and evidence to back up such = claims. I will not go into expressing my views and thoughts on the subject = anymore=20 as it would be very repetitious. I got into and enjoying geocaching = for many=20 of the same reasons most others do- to get outdoors more and enjoy = nature=20 and visit new places, meet new people, and the hobby also provides a = great=20 way for me to 'keep in shape' and provides me plenty of excercise with = all=20 the hiking I have been doing these days. Mr. Peters beleives that geocaching is responsible for the damage to = the=20 archaeological site he watches over. He has come to that conclusion = because=20 he has seen an increase in activity around the area since a geocache = was=20 placed there. Therefore, he feels that geocaching is the culprit. It = is very=20 possible the damage was indeed caused since after the cache was hidden = there. I do not in any way beleive that geocachers caused that damage. = However... A question to ponder: is it possible that a non-geocacher(s) happened = upon=20 the Geocaching.com web site (there have been articles on geocaching = before=20 in the newspaper and there are plenty of people outside our hobby that = know=20 about it) and saw the listing for that cache (and other caches) and=20 therefore went out and visited the site? There may have been several = new=20 visitors to that site by way of the web site. Unfortunately, there are = people and will always be people who have nothing better to do than = spoil=20 someone else's fun. Someone will see the geocaching.com web site and = find a=20 cache listed, go out there and remove it or destroy it... just to make = it=20 hard on those trying to find it. Don't think there aren't people out = there=20 like that... there are. (I once had a write up on my business in the = Mesa=20 Tribune and that day and soon after I had several crank calls from = kids just=20 screwing around). I personally fear that this kind of thing will begin = to=20 happen since the article was published. How many caches will suddenly=20 dissapear in the coming weeks? I can understand why Libby has suddenly = made=20 several of her caches 'members only' caches. I am kinda bummed to hear = that=20 she has done that though, since I am not a dues paying member of=20 geocaching.com and I cannot go seek out her members only caches. I = have=20 always enjoyed Libby's caches. I for one sure do not want to go hiking = up to=20 the top of some mountain on a 105 degree afternoon only to not be able = to=20 find a cache because someone took it. Now, I know there are some who will not agree with me on this: but, = the=20 reasons above are just another good reason to make the Geocaching.com = web=20 site access available to members only. Anyone could bring up the site = and=20 learn more about geocaching, but, only members would be able to read = the=20 pages containing information about caches and the logs. I am not = saying that=20 it should be a 'pay to access' site. I myself am not a dues paying = member of=20 geocaching.com. What I am saying is that maybe the cache pages should = be=20 available ONLY to those who have an 'account'. Much like we already = have=20 now. This may not stop everyone, but, it would be a deterant to those = who=20 don't want to waste their time setting up an account and for those = that fear=20 for putting any personal information on the net. This way, only = geocachers=20 (those active in the hobby) would be viewing details, coordinates, etc = about=20 each cache. This really would not change a thing to all of us who = already=20 log into geocaching.com. However, those looking at the web site for = the=20 first time, would only be able to see the home page and pages that = detail=20 what the hobby is about and how to get involved, etc. They would need = an=20 account to be able to view the cache pages. This isnt THE answer, but, = it is=20 a thought and I think a valid one. I would be curious to hear other's thoughts on this. Scott Team Ropingthewind _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos:=20 http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com ------=_NextPart_000_021A_01C23EA7.A73C4280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

was just looking at the advent caches = and =20 from the calendar it looks like the campout has already happened... not = sure=20 what is wrong but some may want to have a look

Libby

We will be known by the tracks we leave behind

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Scott=20 Nicol

To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 = 2:06=20 AM

Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] = Destruction=20 of geological site(s?)

Howdy All,

First off, I am VERY disturbed by the = article=20 in the AZ Republic. I always
seemed to be a newspaper dedicated to = keeping=20 us Arizonans informed with the
latest news, etc. I never thought = it would=20 become an editorial newpaper. I
felt like I was reading the = National=20 Enquirer when I read that article. We
have cancelled our = subscription to=20 the AZ Republic. We want to read about
the news, not one persons = views and=20 thoughts (on the front page no less).

I think it is disgusting = that the=20 paper would even allow such a report be
written up without more = evidence.=20 The article is totally one sided and only
speaks of a couple of = people's=20 views. I don't think I have EVER read an
article in a newspaper = that=20 literally slammed a certain hobby/sport/subject,
etc like that one = did=20 without the facts and evidence to back up such claims.

I will = not go=20 into expressing my views and thoughts on the subject anymore
as it = would=20 be very repetitious. I got into and enjoying geocaching for many =
of the=20 same reasons most others do- to get outdoors more and enjoy nature =
and=20 visit new places, meet new people, and the hobby also provides a great =
way=20 for me to 'keep in shape' and provides me plenty of excercise with all =
the=20 hiking I have been doing these days.

Mr. Peters beleives that=20 geocaching is responsible for the damage to the
archaeological = site he=20 watches over. He has come to that conclusion because
he has seen = an=20 increase in activity around the area since a geocache was
placed = there.=20 Therefore, he feels that geocaching is the culprit. It is very =
possible=20 the damage was indeed caused since after the cache was hidden =
there. I do=20 not in any way beleive that geocachers caused that damage.=20
However...

A question to ponder: is it possible that a=20 non-geocacher(s) happened upon
the Geocaching.com web site (there = have=20 been articles on geocaching before
in the newspaper and there are = plenty=20 of people outside our hobby that know
about it) and saw the = listing for=20 that cache (and other caches) and
therefore went out and visited = the site?=20 There may have been several new
visitors to that site by way of = the web=20 site. Unfortunately, there are
people and will always be people = who have=20 nothing better to do than spoil
someone else's fun. Someone will = see the=20 geocaching.com web site and find a
cache listed, go out there and = remove=20 it or destroy it... just to make it
hard on those trying to find = it. Don't=20 think there aren't people out there
like that... there are. (I = once had a=20 write up on my business in the Mesa
Tribune and that day and soon = after I=20 had several crank calls from kids just
screwing around). I = personally fear=20 that this kind of thing will begin to
happen since the article was = published. How many caches will suddenly
dissapear in the coming = weeks? I=20 can understand why Libby has suddenly made
several of her caches = 'members=20 only' caches. I am kinda bummed to hear that
she has done that = though,=20 since I am not a dues paying member of
geocaching.com and I cannot = go seek=20 out her members only caches. I have
always enjoyed Libby's caches. = I for=20 one sure do not want to go hiking up to
the top of some mountain = on a 105=20 degree afternoon only to not be able to
find a cache because = someone took=20 it.

Now, I know there are some who will not agree with me on = this: but,=20 the
reasons above are just another good reason to make the=20 Geocaching.com web
site access available to members only. = Anyone=20 could bring up the site and
learn more about geocaching, but, only = members=20 would be able to read the
pages containing information about = caches and=20 the logs. I am not saying that
it should be a 'pay to access' = site. I=20 myself am not a dues paying member of
geocaching.com. What I am = saying is=20 that maybe the cache pages should be
available ONLY to those who = have an=20 'account'. Much like we already have
now. This may not stop = everyone, but,=20 it would be a deterant to those who
don't want to waste their time = setting=20 up an account and for those that fear
for putting any personal = information=20 on the net. This way, only geocachers
(those active in the hobby) = would be=20 viewing details, coordinates, etc about
each cache. This really = would not=20 change a thing to all of us who already
log into geocaching.com. = However,=20 those looking at the web site for the
first time, would only be = able to=20 see the home page and pages that detail
what the hobby is about = and how to=20 get involved, etc. They would need an
account to be able to view = the cache=20 pages. This isnt THE answer, but, it is
a thought and I think a = valid=20 one.

I would be curious to hear other's thoughts on=20 this.

Scott
Team=20 = Ropingthewind

____________________________________________= _____________________
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http://photos.msn.c= om/support/worldwide.aspx

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http://www.azgeocaching.com ------=_NextPart_000_021A_01C23EA7.A73C4280-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 13:43:55 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Farquhar, Larry) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 06:43:55 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Azgeocaching.com Message-ID: <5EDEA14A2792394EA7D482E702C4C6DB02254159@ipnismtp1.ipni.com> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C23EE1.A384FA80 Content-Type: text/plain It seems the azgeocaching web site missed doing it's updates from yesterday. I'm only seeing activity from August 6th. I'm sure Brian (snaptek) is fully aware of the issue and will have it updated for us by tomorrow. :) I haven't said it in awhile, as we've gotten used to expecting it. But a BIG THANK YOU to Team Snaptek for providing the wonderful azgeocaching.com web site. I still think they should remove the "unofficial" from their web site name. To me, it IS the "Official Arizona Geocaching Resource". Thanks Brian, Jason, and the rest of Team Snaptek! Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01C23EE1.A384FA80 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Azgeocaching.com

It seems the azgeocaching web site = missed doing it's updates from yesterday. I'm only seeing activity from = August 6th. I'm sure Brian (snaptek) is fully aware of the issue and = will have it updated for us by tomorrow. :)

I haven't said it in awhile, as we've = gotten used to expecting it. But a BIG THANK YOU to Team Snaptek for = providing the wonderful azgeocaching.com web site. I still think they = should remove the "unofficial" from their web site name. To = me, it IS the "Official Arizona Geocaching Resource". Thanks = Brian, Jason, and the rest of Team Snaptek!

Larry Farquhar
Team "Wyle E"
www.happy-wanderers.com

------_=_NextPart_001_01C23EE1.A384FA80-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 13:52:35 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Eric Quinn) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 06:52:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Roadrunner's slam on 4-wheeling In-Reply-To: <5EDEA14A2792394EA7D482E702C4C6DB02254158@ipnismtp1.ipni.com> Message-ID: <20020808135235.87684.qmail@web13103.mail.yahoo.com> I thought he wrote a good piece with the exception of refusing to acknowledge that the Clinton Administration had anything to do with Geocaching. Until Clinton authorized the removal of SA, there was no way this activity could be done, except in a letterbox fashion. Eric TD __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 14:54:21 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:54:21 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Roadrunner's slam on 4-wheeling Message-ID: <20020808145421.ZZEF28706.fed1mtao03.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=____1028818461915_.h'XLQ(9r4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Larry, That was a great letter that Stu wrote. Thanks for posting it. WhereRWee? Ken > From: "Farquhar, Larry" > Date: 2002/08/08 Thu AM 09:29:10 EDT > To: "'listserv@azgeocaching.com'" > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Roadrunner's slam on 4-wheeling > > All; > > You may have read the Email from Stu Olson to the list, responding to > Roadrunner's original slam on ATV and 4-Wheelers. Stu's a a very active > member of the Arizona Virtual Jeep Club (AZVJC), and is VERY active in > fighting to keep our public lands open for the public (us). After reading > Roadrunner's original Email, I also was very upset. But I knew the intent > wasn't to slam 4-wheeling in general, but those few "rotten apples" who give > 4-wheeling a bad name. I'm also a member of the AZVJC. However, geocaching > has made me fairly inactive with the AZVJC. I know there's other AZVJC > members who are geocachers. > > Before Stu knew about Roadrunner's Email to this list, Stu had already > Emailed a letter to the AZ Republic. Stu, and the entire AZVJC, are friends > fighting to keep lands open to geocaching and responsible 4-wheeling. The > following is Stu's Email to Ms. Leonard: > > > Ms. Leonard, > > I read your "A high-tech scavenger hunt" article in today's newspaper. > Although I am not a "geocacher", I am aware of the popularity it has gained > over the past years. With the improvements in GPS receivers and their drop > in price, it is certainly easy to be the proud owner of one of these little > beauties. > > One item was incorrectly reported in your article. You stated (on page A2) > that "Geocaching began in May 2000 when the Clinton administration > unscrambled the electronic signals of the government-owned global > positioning sytem, allowing civilians to use devices to steer cars or find > missing hikers with pinpoint accuracy." While it is true that geocaching may > very well have started in May, 2000, it was not because of any actions taken > by the Clinton Administration. On or about May 1, 2002, then President > Clinton lifted the requirement that caused the intentional degradation in > the accuracy of the GPS signal. Neither he nor his administration can be > given any kind of credit for making the GPS technology available to the > civilian population and its subsequent use for steering cars or finding lost > hikers. I was using a consumer grade GPS receiver long before May 1, 2000. > As to your comment about it being able to steer a car....no...no...no! Would > you feel confident in a car with a "steering system" that could guide your > vehicle to within an accuracy of 6 to 20 feet? (those are your numbers, not > mine) Thank you but no....I prefer to "steer" my vehicle with more precision > than that. I am afraid that a 6 to 20 foot error would very well put me into > the path of dangerous oncoming traffic. > > But, enough about the basics of GPS reception. I need to get to the point of > this correspondence. As an environmentalist that fully enjoys virtually > everything our public lands have to offer, I am saddened to hear that some > irresponsible people are leaving their trash behind, making new trails, and > even picking up native artifacts they find in a geocache area. I wonder how > many of these people are familiar with the laws concerning removing an item > from an archaeological site? I can tell you, from first hand experience, > that many people have no idea that driving across the desert or up a big > hill, where there is no trail, is unlawful in most of Arizona. I can speak > to people leaving their trash behind....any road trip down I-10 or I-17 will > yield supporting evidence that people certainly do litter. > > The main point I found quite interesting is the apparent blame that your > article places on those people that are participating in the geocaching > sport (I guess we can call it a sport?) Let's first look at the facts you > stated in the article: > > 1. There are at least 18 known Arizona caches listed on the Internet that > are on or near archaeological sites. (you didn't mention how many were > actually on a site) > > 2. There are more than 10,900 known archaeological sites in Maricopa County. > > 3. There are more than 50,400 archaeological sites in Arizona, not including > those on Tribal lands. > > 4. You stated that most of the archaeological locations have been kept > secret for years, and officials have even required a new site steward to > sign a confidentiality agreement. > > So...let me see if I understand what you are really saying. > > 1. 0.0357143% of the geocache sites are located on or near an archaeological > site in this state. > > 2. Virtually no one, except the trusted site stewards and specific land > management officials, no where the archaeological sites are.....and we have > one or two site stewards (that you interviewed) that are upset because three > and one half hundreths of just one percent of the total geocache sites in > Arizona happen to be put on these secret archaeological sites. > > It is sad that the geocachers are being held up as those that are ruining > our archaeological sites but yet we won't tell them where the sites are so > they wouldn't accidentally put their cache "at or near" an archaeological > site. I realize this might very well be a damned if you do, damned if you > don't kind of situation, but please apply some common sense here. Your > article indicates that many of the Arizona geocaches are in remote > locations....places that are difficult to get to. So, we then say shame on > the geocachers for picking a challenging location to hide their > cache.....and when it just happens to be on a secret archaeological site > that no one told them about.....and it is their fault? You've got to be > kidding, right? > > Maybe it is not quite as bad as I am led to believe? Perhaps another way to > look at it is: > > 1. Wouldn't it be great if only 0.0357143% of our teenage population didn't > complete high school? > > 2. Wouldn't it be great if only 0.0357143% of the people driving through a > Phoenix intersection ran the red light? > > I do commend you for reporting that Mr. Brian Cluff, a person who helps run > AZgeocaching.com, has not been contacted or notified about the apparent > problem that is occuring at or near the secret archaeological sites. > However, it is sad that the amount of text you devoted to Mr. Cluff is > approximately 0.0357143% of your article. None the less....I am certain that > all reading it will in no way be biased by this. > > Now that you have identified this problem, what are the paper's plans to > help correct it? From what was written, it appears that a strong push > towards educating those that enjoy geocaching would certainly go a long way > in correcting this problem. Perhaps some public awareness commercials on the > local TV stations (maybe even radio too) would make more aware of their > inapropriate actions. Remeber, we have people randomly hiding little > tuperware containers of goodies on secret archaeological sites that they > have no knowledge of. > > I look forward to your next article that outlines the plans that will be > implemented to help curb this problem. > > King Regards, > > Stu Olson > > Phoenix > > > > > > > ------=____1028818461915_.h'XLQ(9r4 Content-Type: text/html; name="reply" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="reply" Message

All;

Ms. Leonard,

1. There are at least 18 known Arizona caches listed on the Internet that are on or near archaeological sites. (you didn't mention how many were actually on a site)

2. There are more than 10,900 known archaeological sites in Maricopa County.

3. There are more than 50,400 archaeological sites in Arizona, not including those on Tribal lands.

4. You stated that most of the archaeological locations have been kept secret for years, and officials have even required a new site steward to sign a confidentiality agreement.

So...let me see if I understand what you are really saying.

1. 0.0357143% of the geocache sites are located on or near an archaeological site in this state.

Maybe it is not quite as bad as I am led to believe? Perhaps another way to look at it is:

1. Wouldn't it be great if only 0.0357143% of our teenage population didn't complete high school?

2. Wouldn't it be great if only 0.0357143% of the people driving through a Phoenix intersection ran the red light?

I look forward to your next article that outlines the plans that will be implemented to help curb this problem.

King Regards,

Stu Olson

Phoenix

------=____1028818461915_.h'XLQ(9r4-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 16:07:36 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:07:36 EDT Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Mr Ed Message-ID: <31.2b239eba.2a83f148@aol.com> Howdy All, I just wrote to the 'Mr ED'. The one that said we were illiterate, sign shooting, animal pooping, outdoor mating, trespassers on his property. I think he was just angry at the way his property is being vandalized, and the article points the finger at us, so he assumes that we are responsible. So Im trying to contact him to discuss this further. What I want to do is show him there are no caches on his property. That would show geocachers aren't resonsible for his problems. BUT, If there HAS been a cache placed on his property, then that only means that someone obviously placed a cache without his permission. If that is the case what I am recommending is along the lines of what Kyle was saying: We have a Geocaching Rally on his property to clean up the 'mess' and invite the so called 'reporter' as well. Here is my response to him via email: Mr. Ed, I just read your response posted to the Geocaching LISTSERV. I can understand that you may be upset at the disregard and disrespect of your land, I would be as well, I do think you are directing your anger in the wrong direction. I and another team geocacher (among a few others) are in the Law Enforcement field. Most of the geocachers I have met are in the tech, medical, military, and a few other fields that consist of primarily middle to upper class folks that I would guess are about the same age as yourself. I cant speak for every cacher out there, so I will speak about the ones I have met, as well as myself. I / we will not trespass on posted property. I / we do not litter and on most occasions will pick up litter following the 'cache in trash out' motto of geocaching. I although do carry a firearm in the course of my duties, DO NOT shoot up signs. I / we have homes as well as the money to afford appropriate mating grounds. The list can go on, but you said you have heard it all, like I have. What seems to be the problem is: Your property was littered and vandalized. You see a story in the paper that seems familiar. Most of what was written in that story was not true. One reference was Lake Pleasant, where a cache was removed. At the time the cache was removed, only 3 visits were made to that cache. The amount of vandalism that was reported at that area could not have been made in 3 visits. I believe the reporter did not investigate that article appropriately. If I did that type of work I would be out of a job or involved in a lawsuit. I will make you an offer. I would like to meet with you and show you two things: 1) We will look to see if there ever was a geocache placed on your property, which will prove whether geocachers could be responsible. If there has been one placed on your property, I have something in mind that might satisfy you in that area, respond for details. 2) Go on a geocaching find with us to see what its about before you make an opinion. You say its a waste of time. Would you also say hiking, camping, fishing, ect. is a waste of time? I have placed a few caches in different states, in my home town, at my childhood fishing spot and campground, and at my favorite park. Also I have placed a few in parks here in AZ, so more people could visit and have the pleasure as well. This letter is getting longer that I had planned. I feel like my integrity has been challenged, as well as some fine people that have chosen to geocache as recreation. I believe in all fairness as a reasonable person, you will feel compelled to investigate this matter a little more than believing everything you see in print. If you would like to take my offer or respond, feel free, I welcome you to do so. Thank you for you time, and Im looking forward to hearing from you. J Hall, T Angel Team Spring I need feed back on this, is it a good idea, and would anyone be willing to try and clear our sullied reputation by a good deed/s? Thanks, J&T& Harry - Team Spring From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 16:48:00 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bell, Robert) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:48:00 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] cache stats (not that anyone is counting) Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C23EFB.5B31D0E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" BTW, if you've done any of Team CHUMP caches, all but our 1 virtual caches have been temporarily made members only. There's nothing wrong with them as far as private property or anything, but sometimes a good map or terraserver can lead you to a cache even without a GPS. I just want to protect them until the unsubstantiated negative publicity we've received has blown over. I'll move them back out at a future date (hopefully soon). Rob Team CHUMP -----Original Message----- From: Farquhar, Larry [mailto:larry.farquhar@ipni.com] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 5:46 To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] cache stats (not that anyone is counting) Aha! Thanks Loran and Libby - that does explain it. But who follows the stats anyways. :) Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com -----Original Message----- From: loran @cox [mailto:loranwilcox@cox.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 8:49 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] cache stats (not that anyone is counting) Member only caches are counted as out of state caches by azgeocaching.com. Their server is not a member so does not count member only caches when counting AZ caches. Your total will be correct but your AZ count will go down. Don't know how Dan Miller counts member only caches but the state stats have been down for a while. Loran (Team Sand Dollar) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C23EFB.5B31D0E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Message

BTW, if you've done any of Team CHUMP caches, all but our 1 virtual

caches have been temporarily made members only. There's nothing wrong

with them as far as private property or anything, but sometimes a good

map or terraserver can lead you to a cache even without a GPS. I

just want to protect them until the unsubstantiated negative publicity

we've received has blown over.

I'll move them back out at a future date (hopefully soon).

Rob

Team CHUMP

-----Original Message-----
From: Farquhar, Larry [mailto:larry.farquhar@ipni.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 5:46
To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com'
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] cache stats (not that anyone is counting)

Aha! Thanks Loran and Libby - that does explain it. But who follows the stats anyways. :)

Larry Farquhar
Team "Wyle E"
www.happy-wanderers.com

-----Original Message-----
From: loran @cox [mailto:loranwilcox@cox.net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 8:49 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] cache stats (not that anyone is counting)

Member only caches are counted as out of state caches by azgeocaching.com. Their server is not a member so does not count member only caches when counting AZ caches. Your total will be correct but your AZ count will go down.

Don't know how Dan Miller counts member only caches but the state stats have been down for a while.

Loran (Team Sand Dollar)

------_=_NextPart_001_01C23EFB.5B31D0E0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 17:05:44 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:05:44 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Over reaction In-Reply-To: <31.2b239eba.2a83f148@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020808095027.00a837d0@mail.myblueheaven.com> I have read a number of messages both here and over on the geocaching.com about the press that Arizona geocaching received yesterday, and people turning their caches into member's only caches. One of the comments, made by a member of this list, over on the forums, stated that the caches were made member's only because there were going to be a lot of new people geocaching because of the article. At least that is how I read the message. Am I the only one that thinks this is a bad idea? Don't we want to welcome new geocachers to our community? Making some of the best caches in Arizona member's only really seems to be as elitist as the comments made by those interviewed in the Republic article. I adopted a member's only cache when Team Rayzor had to move away, and I will keep it a member's only cache since he asked me to, but I would never consider turning any of my existing caches into member's only. Just my $0.02. Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 17:36:30 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:36:30 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] archeaological sites Message-ID: I forgot to mention this ... but please don't post the e-mail response I sent to you on the list serv. It was meant as a personal e-mail and not for general publication. I'd appreciate it. And if you want to chat about it, please call me at (602) 444-4845. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 17:46:22 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Eric Quinn) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:46:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Over reaction In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020808095027.00a837d0@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: <20020808174622.64206.qmail@web13115.mail.yahoo.com> In some ways I agree with the sentiment Scott has expressed and in some ways I don't. I can see where someone would worry about caches going missing with a large number of new people either trying out the sport or a large number of land managers looking for any on public property property. At the same time, I believe that there are enough caches that will remain non-MO to satisfy new cachers for the next couple of weeks. I have no intention on making Picnic Leftovers a MO cache and we plan on hiding our fifth AZ cache this weekend, celebrating our one year caching anniversary (don't ask me when my wedding anniversary is). Overall, it's just a personal decision everyone has to make. I do hope that this is just a temporary phenominon because, as Scott said, it would be a shame for new hunters not to be able to find some great caches. Eric TD --- Scott Wood wrote: > I have read a number of messages both here and over > on the geocaching.com about the press that > Arizona geocaching received yesterday, and people > turning their caches into member's only caches. > > One of the comments, made by a member of this list, > over on the forums, stated that the caches were > made member's only because there were going to > be a lot of new people geocaching because of the > article. At least that is how I read the message. > > Am I the only one that thinks this is a bad idea? > Don't we want to welcome new geocachers to our > community? Making some of the best caches in Arizona > member's only really seems to be as elitist as the > comments made by those interviewed in the Republic > article. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 18:00:30 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jim Scotti) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:00:30 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Over reaction In-Reply-To: <20020808174622.64206.qmail@web13115.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I agree completely with Scott's sentiment and won't be making any of my geocaches members only. If any of my geocaches are a problem with managers of the land I have placed them on, I would hope they would contact me (as one actually did when he found one of my caches near a trail that he wanted to close - he was happy to have a cache in the area, but just not at that location and the cache was subsequently replaced about a quarter mile away from the original site as a new cache). It looks like the article has generated at least one new member to this list already (welcome aboard!) as well as an "anti-member". I was also thinking of placing an "anniversary cache" soon. My first cache find was made on August 18 of last year. I just haven't figured out where it will go yet. Of course, I did not place a cache on my wedding anniversary a couple months back.... It's really too bad that the Republic article was so poorly researched and so obviously negligent in its accusations. It was good to hear from one of the few visitors to the geocache in question and supports what I think is a common feeling amoungst our group that it was not a geocacher who trashed the area and destroyed the site. I haven't met a bad geocacher yet, though of course, there must be the occasional bad apple in such a large and diverse group. Jim. On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, Eric Quinn wrote: > In some ways I agree with the sentiment Scott has > expressed and in some ways I don't. I can see where > someone would worry about caches going missing with a > large number of new people either trying out the sport > or a large number of land managers looking for any on > public property property. > > At the same time, I believe that there are enough > caches that will remain non-MO to satisfy new cachers > for the next couple of weeks. I have no intention on > making Picnic Leftovers a MO cache and we plan on > hiding our fifth AZ cache this weekend, celebrating > our one year caching anniversary (don't ask me when my > wedding anniversary is). > > Overall, it's just a personal decision everyone has to > make. I do hope that this is just a temporary > phenominon because, as Scott said, it would be a shame > for new hunters not to be able to find some great > caches. > > > Eric > TD Jim Scotti Lunar & Planetary Laboratory jscotti@pirl.lpl.arizona.edu University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 USA http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 18:43:03 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Farquhar, Larry) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:43:03 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Over reaction Message-ID: <5EDEA14A2792394EA7D482E702C4C6DB02254195@ipnismtp1.ipni.com> I was one of the visitors to the Lake Pleasant cache after the physical cache was removed. It was a virtual cache when I visited it. While not specifically looking, I didn't notice any ATV tracks, trash, or destruction of the area. It was just another normal desert setting, among a cholla forest. I parked around .35 (?) miles away on an established 4WD trail (not a narrow ATV trail). I did see a narrow foot trail going in the direction of the cache, but ended up following game trails. This petroglyph is shown on the Topo maps. I even met an ATV rider nearby who had visited the site before. He told me of a better location nearby. I don't know what the place looked like before my visit. But it didn't look "trashed" or destroyed to me. Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com -----Original Message----- From: Jim Scotti [mailto:jscotti@jupiter.lpl.Arizona.EDU] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 11:01 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Over reaction I agree completely with Scott's sentiment and won't be making any of my geocaches members only. If any of my geocaches are a problem with managers of the land I have placed them on, I would hope they would contact me (as one actually did when he found one of my caches near a trail that he wanted to close - he was happy to have a cache in the area, but just not at that location and the cache was subsequently replaced about a quarter mile away from the original site as a new cache). It looks like the article has generated at least one new member to this list already (welcome aboard!) as well as an "anti-member". I was also thinking of placing an "anniversary cache" soon. My first cache find was made on August 18 of last year. I just haven't figured out where it will go yet. Of course, I did not place a cache on my wedding anniversary a couple months back.... It's really too bad that the Republic article was so poorly researched and so obviously negligent in its accusations. It was good to hear from one of the few visitors to the geocache in question and supports what I think is a common feeling amoungst our group that it was not a geocacher who trashed the area and destroyed the site. I haven't met a bad geocacher yet, though of course, there must be the occasional bad apple in such a large and diverse group. Jim. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 18:43:28 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 11:43:28 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Over reaction In-Reply-To: <20020808174622.64206.qmail@web13115.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020808095027.00a837d0@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020808113759.00a82ab0@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 10:46 AM 8/8/2002 -0700, you wrote: >In some ways I agree with the sentiment Scott has >expressed and in some ways I don't. I can see where >someone would worry about caches going missing with a >large number of new people either trying out the sport I worry about my caches going missing, but the fact is that I hid my cache so that people could find it. If that means that it is there for a large number of new cachers that is great. All of us were new geocachers at one time or another, and if I was just starting and people were changing their caches over to caches that I couldn't find until I decided that I wanted to support the sport, just because I happened to join at the same time as a large group of others, I suspect that it would really give me a sour taste as far as geocaching goes. >or a large number of land managers looking for any on >public property property. That is another matter all together. If we are turning caches into member's only in an effort to "hide" them from land managers, aren't we somewhat guilty of breaking the rules and good spirit of geocaching? >phenominon because, as Scott said, it would be a shame >for new hunters not to be able to find some great >caches. Many of those great caches are what got us hooked on this sport in the first place. Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 20:04:26 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Kyle Hagan) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:04:26 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] archeaological sites References: Message-ID: <00d001c23f16$cc642220$6400a8c0@VAIO> This is a message from a member of the AZVJC.com to the Reporter. I finished my phone conversation with Christina Leonard about an hour ago. I am happy to say that it went much better than I thought it might. I do believe that she understands the problem that the geocachers and off-roaders share.....a percentage of the population that shows no respect for the land they recreate on. While somewhat off topic from her article, we spoke about the cleanups that AZVJC has done at the Coves, WhiteTank Mountains, etc. and the fact that we (the club members) really do worry about loosing access to public lands because of some irresponsible individuals that are NOT representative of the off-road (or geocaching) community. We also spoke about the site stewards and the fact that there are 18 geoaches located on or near the archaeological sites. Christina said she too asked the stewards how it was that the geocachers, who have no knowledge of where the 50,400 arachaeological sites are located, are suppose to avoid accidentally placing a cache on a piece of land that is a site. She also stated that until one actually knows what signs to look for, you have no idea you are on a site. She was shown a pottery shard at a archaeological site and didn't recognize that it was a shard. When she commented that the 18 sites is a very small number compared to the 50,400 in the state, they told her "One is too many". In my opinion, this zero tolerance thing is going to grow into a bigger issue as time goes on. I fully believe Christina was attempting to explain the Catch-22 situation that the geoachers are caught in (don't put your stuff on an archaeological site...but we won't tell you where that may be) and the fact that these site stewards are just becoming aware of the increased traffic (and trash) that their once secret sites are now accidentally getting. While the article came across to me as being biased against the geocachers, I do not believe it was intended to be that way. My assumption is that the site stewards, being all to much like the greenies we see at land use meetings, made it seem a hundred times worse than it actually was (their quotes dripping with sympathy, IMO). Although I did not mention it to her, I wish Christina would have hooked up with a local geocacher (perhaps Mr. Cluff from the article?) and experienced the sport the way it was meant to be done. For me, that would have gone a LONG way to show she was neutral on this issue. From my personal expereince, until one has a chance to ride in a built up Jeep that is tackling a tough trail, that person doesn't have any idea about our off-road sport. I would imagine that geocaching must be very much the same way. Stu Stu Olson www.stu-offroad.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 21:40:00 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 14:40:00 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Milestones Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020808143659.00a7de30@mail.myblueheaven.com> With all the milestones that the Phoenix teams have been reaching, I just noticed that Team Scotti now has 50 finds. This might not seem like a lot, but given the lack of cache density down here in Tucson, and the fact that Jim has hidden more caches down here than anyone else, I find this quite an accomplishment. Congratulations Jim! Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 21:47:44 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Justin Sever) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:47:44 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Milestones In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020808143659.00a7de30@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: <003901c23f25$3a872370$0200a8c0@laptop7500> Congratulations Jim! I went down to Tuscon for a weekend, and I know exactly what you are talking about. There weren't as many caches down there and you have to work quite a bit harder than you do up here in Phoenix. Good job on your 50 finds! -Frobro Goose -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Scott Wood Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:40 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Milestones With all the milestones that the Phoenix teams have been reaching, I just noticed that Team Scotti now has 50 finds. This might not seem like a lot, but given the lack of cache density down here in Tucson, and the fact that Jim has hidden more caches down here than anyone else, I find this quite an accomplishment. Congratulations Jim! Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 8 22:17:09 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Eric Quinn) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:17:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Over reaction In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020808113759.00a82ab0@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: <20020808221709.55090.qmail@web13101.mail.yahoo.com> --- Scott Wood wrote: > At 10:46 AM 8/8/2002 -0700, Eric wrote: > >or a large number of land managers looking > >for any on public property property. > That is another matter all together. If we > are turning caches into member's only in an > effort to "hide" them from land managers, > aren't we somewhat guilty of breaking the > rules and good spirit of geocaching? The problem is one of communication. There are good land managers and there are bad ones. The good ones will find out if permission has been given for a cache and if so, they will leave the cache alone. A bad land manager is one who will check the web site, see a cache on "his land" and pull it, even though permission was given by another steward. I think we agree that a cache should not be converted to MO simply to stop someone from removing it if it shouldn't be there in the first place. Hiding though is a good way to avoid the "act first, think later" breed. Eric TD __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 00:54:53 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Larry Farquhar) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:54:53 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Milestones In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020808143659.00a7de30@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: <000701c23f3f$5f80a0b0$3701a8c0@LARRY> Congratulations Team Scotti on your HALFCENTENNIAL! (?) :) Actually, with a little planning, any non-Phoenix area geocacher could spend a weekend in the Phoenix area and easily grab 30 - 40+ caches in a weekend. I know this costs money, and isn't for everyone. Connie and I do this often to other parts of Arizona, and we enjoy the weekend away. Sometimes we spend the weekend eating out and in hotels, sometimes we camp or RV. So come on up or down all you out of Phoenix cachers (you might wait until it's cooler, though)! Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Scott Wood Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:40 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Milestones With all the milestones that the Phoenix teams have been reaching, I just noticed that Team Scotti now has 50 finds. This might not seem like a lot, but given the lack of cache density down here in Tucson, and the fact that Jim has hidden more caches down here than anyone else, I find this quite an accomplishment. Congratulations Jim! Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache _ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 01:52:13 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (WOLFB8) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:52:13 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] newbie to the scene References: <20020808130521.79163.qmail@web13113.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <02dc01c23f48$97626b40$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02D4_01C23F0C.B514EC80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would also like to welcome the newbie to the sport and the list... be = assured that I will be changing my caches back so all can access them in = the near future.... happy caching Libby We will be known by the tracks we leave behind ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Eric Quinn=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 6:05 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] newbie to the scene Welcome to our sport! Eric Team Dragon --- Charlie Ferrell wrote: > I picked up this web site from the article in the > Republic that you all seemed to enjoy so much. I had > never heard of geocaching before but it sounds fun > and will give me some direction in my aimless > wanderings through the state when I am not bow > hunting. Happy and safe hunting to all. >=20 > Charlie Ferrell II (AKA crazyarcher) >=20 > P.S. I would have started geocaching long ago but I > had never heard of it, so please don't shoot me for > the way I got into the game. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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I would also like to welcome the = newbie to=20 the sport and the list... be assured that I will be changing my caches = back so=20 all can access them in the near future.... happy=20 caching

Libby

We will be known by the tracks we leave behind

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From:=20 Eric = Quinn=20

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Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 = 6:05=20 AM

Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = newbie to=20 the scene

Welcome to our sport!

Eric
Team = Dragon

---=20 Charlie Ferrell <eyebeme@cox.net>=20 wrote:
> I picked up this web site from the article in = the
>=20 Republic that you all seemed to enjoy so much. I had
> never = heard of=20 geocaching before but it sounds fun
> and will give me some = direction in=20 my aimless
> wanderings through the state when I am not = bow
>=20 hunting. Happy and safe hunting to all.
>
> Charlie = Ferrell II=20 (AKA crazyarcher)
>
> P.S. I would have started = geocaching long=20 ago but I
> had never heard of it, so please don't shoot me = for
>=20 the way I got into the=20 = game.

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http://www.azgeocaching.com ------=_NextPart_000_02D4_01C23F0C.B514EC80-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 02:31:32 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jim Scotti) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:31:32 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Milestones In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020808143659.00a7de30@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: Thanks Scott (and I also see Justin & Larry piped in too - thanks to you as well! I'm only at about 10% of Team Wyle!). You may notice that I found 19 caches during my recent trip to Las Vegas, S. Utah and California (though I didn't have time to do any caching in CA, only on the way back home). Only 3 of those 19 were in AZ. To tell the truth, I enjoy hiding caches almost as much as finding them. Of course, I've been waiting for you to crack the century mark, Scott (while caching in the same target free environment I am....). I've definitely been thinking about a caching trip up to Phoenix. Picking the right caches, one could definitely rake 'em in like ducks in a shooting gallery. Jim. On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, Scott Wood wrote: > With all the milestones that the Phoenix teams have been reaching, I just > noticed that Team Scotti now has 50 finds. This might not seem like a lot, > but given the lack of cache density down here in Tucson, and the fact that > Jim has hidden more caches down here than anyone else, I find this quite an > accomplishment. > > Congratulations Jim! > > Scott > Team My Blue Heaven > www.myblueheaven.com/geocache > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > Jim Scotti Lunar & Planetary Laboratory jscotti@pirl.lpl.arizona.edu University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 USA http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 03:44:20 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 20:44:20 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Milestones In-Reply-To: <000701c23f3f$5f80a0b0$3701a8c0@LARRY> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020808143659.00a7de30@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020808204348.02957d00@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 05:54 PM 8/8/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Actually, with a little planning, any non-Phoenix area geocacher could >spend a weekend in the Phoenix area and easily grab 30 - 40+ caches in a >weekend. I know this costs money, and isn't for everyone. Connie and I Ann and I did that almost 2 months ago. We had a great time and found some really interesting urban caches. In liberty, Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 03:57:26 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 20:57:26 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Milestones In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020808143659.00a7de30@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020808205628.0294cb20@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 07:31 PM 8/8/2002 -0700, you wrote: >much as finding them. Of course, I've been waiting for you to crack the >century mark, Scott (while caching in the same target free environment I >am....). We are getting closer. One good trip to Phoenix, as well as tieing a few loose ends up down here it we might just make it before our anniversary in October. Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 04:39:46 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 00:39:46 EDT Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Congrats & Invitation to Phoenix Message-ID: <90.2a2140b4.2a84a192@aol.com> --part1_90.2a2140b4.2a84a192_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Congratulations to Team Scotti! Just wanted to invite you to come up north for all the caching you could handle on a weekend. We went to Tucson in March for my birthday weekend. Camped and cached all weekend. Really enjoyed your hides there. Check out some of our caches if you are in the East Valley. We plan to return to Tucson this fall. Kelly- roadrunners --part1_90.2a2140b4.2a84a192_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Congratulations to Team Scotti! Just wanted to invite you to come up north for all the caching you could handle on a weekend. We went to Tucson in March for my birthday weekend. Camped and cached all weekend. Really enjoyed your hides there. Check out some of our caches if you are in the East Valley. We plan to return to Tucson this fall.
Kelly- roadrunners --part1_90.2a2140b4.2a84a192_boundary-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 05:44:28 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken Akerman) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 22:44:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Diamondbacks game update: Let's get more ticket sales In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020503130304.00a72920@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: <20020809054428.70727.qmail@web21110.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1836321061-1028871868=:70061 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello Geocachers, Here is an update for our proposed Geocaching event to attend a Diamondbacks game at Bank One Ballpark on Tuesday, Aug. 20. So far I have received payment for 16 tickets, from the following geocachers: Justin Sever: 3 Denny Ford: 3 Brent Milner: 3 Stephen Gross: 1 Gordon L. Flatt: 2 Jean Baker: 2 Edward & Marisa Philpott: 3 This is 17 tickets sales committed to the game. However, we need to purchase a minimum of 30 tickets in order to get the group rate. I would like to get at least 24 tickets (80% of the 30 ticket minimum) committed and paid for to me by Tuesday, Aug. 13, so we can get the $14.00 tickets at $7.00 each. Therefore, if you would like to go but haven't paid for tickets yet, please send me $7.00 for each ticket you want to: Ken Akerman 1633 West Village Way Tempe, AZ 85282-4444 Or, you can send me the money via PayPal.com to Ken@Highpointer.com. Please send cash - I do not have the ability to accept credit card payments. It would be best to go as a group of 30 or more, so we can get better tickets at half-price, and get Geocachers listed on the scoreboard. However, if we go as a smaller group, then I will purchase $6.00 tickets for each person (refunding one dollar per person), but these tickets will be a lot farther from home plate. Ken --0-1836321061-1028871868=:70061 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Hello Geocachers,

Here is an update for our proposed Geocaching event to attend a Diamondbacks game at Bank One Ballpark on Tuesday, Aug. 20. So far I have received payment for 16 tickets, from the following geocachers:

Justin Sever: 3 Denny Ford: 3

Brent Milner: 3 Stephen Gross: 1

Gordon L. Flatt: 2 Jean Baker: 2

Edward & Marisa Philpott: 3

This is 17 tickets sales committed to the game. However, we need to purchase a minimum of 30 tickets in order to get the group rate.

I would like to get at least 24 tickets (80% of the 30 ticket minimum) committed and paid for to me by Tuesday, Aug. 13, so we can get the $14.00 tickets at $7.00 each. Therefore, if you would like to go but haven't paid for tickets yet, please send me $7.00 for each ticket you want to:

Ken Akerman

1633 West Village Way

Tempe, AZ 85282-4444

Or, you can send me the money via PayPal.com to Ken@Highpointer.com. Please send cash - I do not have the ability to accept credit card payments.

It would be best to go as a group of 30 or more, so we can get better tickets at half-price, and get Geocachers listed on the scoreboard. However, if we go as a smaller group, then I will purchase $6.00 tickets for each person (refunding one dollar per person), but these tickets will be a lot farther from home plate.

Ken

--0-1836321061-1028871868=:70061-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 06:01:54 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jamie & Rosemary Berry) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:01:54 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New to the list Message-ID: <002101c23f6a$43e416e0$d253530c@berryjhome> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C23F2F.96C4FC20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We just wanted to drop a note and say hello to everyone on the list. We = are team BerrydTreasures and have been thoroughly enjoying Geocaching = since March of this year. Libby told us about this list back when we = started, but we never took the time to sign up. We finally decided to = get around to it and now look forward to becoming even more involved in = this great pastime. Thanks, Jamie, Rosemary, Jameson and Tanyon - Team BerrydTreasures. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C23F2F.96C4FC20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

We just wanted to drop a note and = say hello to=20 everyone on the list. We are team BerrydTreasures and have been = thoroughly=20 enjoying Geocaching since March of this year. Libby told us about this = list back=20 when we started, but we never took the time to sign up. We finally = decided to=20 get around to it and now look forward to becoming even more involved in = this=20 great pastime.

Thanks,

Jamie, Rosemary, Jameson and Tanyon - = Team=20 BerrydTreasures.

------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C23F2F.96C4FC20-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 06:35:20 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Nicol) Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 23:35:20 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Diamondbacks game update: Let's get more ticket sales Message-ID: What a bummer! Two Geocaching get-togethers that I am going to miss. I am not much of a fan of baseball, but, I am sure I could get into the game (GO SUNS!). I did enjoy watching the World Series games on TV last season. But, it would be a great opportunity to meet some cachers and also get a cache! Team CHUMP has a cache hidden in BOB. Of course, while yall are watching the game... I will be seeking out that cache! It will probably take me the whole night to find it! Those Team CHUMP caches always seem to elude me (usually end up costing me money too)! Actually, I could have gotten that one the other day when I was doing a radio station job there. Wasnt thinking, I guess! Not usually one to miss a cache opportunity! I was also hoping to attend the Geocache campout/rally. But, I will be out of town for that too. Team RTW will be out of town from August 16th thru Sept. 3rd. Not sure I can go that long without geocaching! Guess my numbers aren't gonna look too pretty this month! I have met alot of nice folks geocaching and always enjoy the opportunity to meet new teams! Anyways, enough ramblin'.... see ya' out on the trail! :) :) :) Scott Team Ropingthewind _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 12:24:12 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Farquhar, Larry) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 05:24:12 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New to the list Message-ID: <5EDEA14A2792394EA7D482E702C4C6DB022541C5@ipnismtp1.ipni.com> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C23F9F.AB37DC70 Content-Type: text/plain Welcome to the list! We've seen your logs at various caches. Some days this list is busy, some days it's slow. But the additional communication helps join the Arizona Geocaching community together. Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com -----Original Message----- From: Jamie & Rosemary Berry [mailto:jay-n-rose@att.net] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 11:02 PM To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New to the list We just wanted to drop a note and say hello to everyone on the list. We are team BerrydTreasures and have been thoroughly enjoying Geocaching since March of this year. Libby told us about this list back when we started, but we never took the time to sign up. We finally decided to get around to it and now look forward to becoming even more involved in this great pastime. Thanks, Jamie, Rosemary, Jameson and Tanyon - Team BerrydTreasures. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C23F9F.AB37DC70 Content-Type: text/html Message

Welcome to the list! We've seen your logs at various caches. Some days this list is busy, some days it's slow. But the additional communication helps join the Arizona Geocaching community together.

Larry Farquhar
Team "Wyle E"
www.happy-wanderers.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Jamie & Rosemary Berry [mailto:jay-n-rose@att.net]
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 11:02 PM
To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New to the list

We just wanted to drop a note and say hello to everyone on the list. We are team BerrydTreasures and have been thoroughly enjoying Geocaching since March of this year. Libby told us about this list back when we started, but we never took the time to sign up. We finally decided to get around to it and now look forward to becoming even more involved in this great pastime.

Thanks,

Jamie, Rosemary, Jameson and Tanyon - Team BerrydTreasures.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C23F9F.AB37DC70-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 12:43:37 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (WOLFB8) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 05:43:37 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New to the list References: <002101c23f6a$43e416e0$d253530c@berryjhome> Message-ID: <037001c23fa3$81206c00$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0328_01C23F67.B58B93C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable welcome Team BerrydTreasures We will be known by the tracks we leave behind ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jamie & Rosemary Berry=20 To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 11:01 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New to the list We just wanted to drop a note and say hello to everyone on the list. = We are team BerrydTreasures and have been thoroughly enjoying Geocaching = since March of this year. Libby told us about this list back when we = started, but we never took the time to sign up. We finally decided to = get around to it and now look forward to becoming even more involved in = this great pastime. Thanks, Jamie, Rosemary, Jameson and Tanyon - Team BerrydTreasures. ------=_NextPart_000_0328_01C23F67.B58B93C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

welcome Team = BerrydTreasures

We will be known by the tracks we leave behind

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jamie = &=20 Rosemary Berry
To: az-geocaching@lis= tserv.azgeocaching.com=20

Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 = 11:01=20 PM

Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New to = the=20 list

We just wanted to drop a note = and say hello=20 to everyone on the list. We are team BerrydTreasures and have been = thoroughly=20 enjoying Geocaching since March of this year. Libby told us about this = list=20 back when we started, but we never took the time to sign up. We = finally=20 decided to get around to it and now look forward to becoming even more = involved in this great pastime.

Thanks,

Jamie, Rosemary, Jameson and Tanyon - = Team=20 BerrydTreasures.

------=_NextPart_000_0328_01C23F67.B58B93C0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 13:54:33 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:54:33 EDT Subject: [Az-Geocaching] A Sign From the Past III Message-ID: --part1_a2.29e30f12.2a852399_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just a thought. Since we now know who took the actual cache for A Sign From the Past III, is there any way Ken (WhereRWee) could ask for it to be returned to him. This container and its contents could become an important part of AZGeocaching history. Or maybe he could just put it back out into circulation. I don't want to give Mr. Peters telephone number or address out over the listserve but I will say that a quick look in my Greater Northwest Valley telephone directory clearly shows the listing of one Truman D Peters living in Peoria. Jim --part1_a2.29e30f12.2a852399_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just a thought. Since we now know who took the actual cache for A Sign From the Past III, is there any way Ken (WhereRWee) could ask for it to be returned to him. This container and its contents could become an important part of AZGeocaching history. Or maybe he could just put it back out into circulation.

I don't want to give Mr. Peters telephone number or address out over the listserve but I will say that a quick look in my Greater Northwest Valley telephone directory clearly shows the listing of one Truman D Peters living in Peoria.

Jim --part1_a2.29e30f12.2a852399_boundary-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 14:01:43 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:01:43 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Comments on GC7C65 Message-ID: <20020809140143.IIYK26656.fed1mtao04.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=____1028901703067_FsTCNpyz_? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would like opinions on this cache that was turned down. WhereRWee? Ken ------=____1028901703067_FsTCNpyz_? Content-Type: text/html; name="reply" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="reply" Just a thought. Since we now know who took the actual cache for A Sign From the Past III, is there any way Ken (WhereRWee) could ask for it to be returned to him. This container and its contents could become an important part of AZGeocaching history. Or maybe he could just put it back out into circulation.

I don't want to give Mr. Peters telephone number or address out over the listserve but I will say that a quick look in my Greater Northwest Valley telephone directory clearly shows the listing of one Truman D Peters living in Peoria.

Jim ------=____1028901703067_FsTCNpyz_?-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 14:40:44 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (WOLFB8) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 07:40:44 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Comments on GC7C65 References: <20020809140143.IIYK26656.fed1mtao04.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <038f01c23fb2$f605d0a0$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_038C_01C23F78.11FFD700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable pot it to the list for a poll I think it will be approved that way .... = I have had problems with Erick approving some of my cache also..... = sounds like a really good idea to me We will be known by the tracks we leave behind ----- Original Message -----=20 From: kenh199@cox.net=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 7:01 AM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Comments on GC7C65 I would like opinions on this cache that was turned down. WhereRWee? Ken -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Just a thought. Since we now know who took the actual cache for A = Sign From the Past III, is there any way Ken (WhereRWee) could ask for = it to be returned to him. This container and its contents could become = an important part of AZGeocaching history. Or maybe he could just put = it back out into circulation. I don't want to give Mr. Peters telephone number or address out over = the listserve but I will say that a quick look in my Greater Northwest = Valley telephone directory clearly shows the listing of one Truman D = Peters living in Peoria. =20 Jim=20 ------=_NextPart_000_038C_01C23F78.11FFD700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

pot it to the list for a poll I think = it will be=20 approved that way .... I have had problems with Erick approving some of = my cache=20 also..... sounds like a really good idea to me

We will be known by the tracks we leave behind

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 kenh199@cox.net=20

To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 = 7:01=20 AM

Subject: [Az-Geocaching] = Comments on=20 GC7C65

I would like opinions on this cache that was turned=20 down.

WhereRWee?
Ken

Just a thought. Since we now know who took = the actual=20 cache for A Sign From the Past III, is there any way Ken (WhereRWee) = could ask=20 for it to be returned to him. This container and its contents = could=20 become an important part of AZGeocaching history. Or maybe he = could just=20 put it back out into circulation.

I don't want to give Mr. = Peters=20 telephone number or address out over the listserve but I will say that = a quick=20 look in my Greater Northwest Valley telephone directory clearly shows = the=20 listing of one Truman D Peters living in Peoria. =20

Jim ------=_NextPart_000_038C_01C23F78.11FFD700-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 15:44:15 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bob Renner) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:44:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Comments on GC7C65 In-Reply-To: <20020809140143.IIYK26656.fed1mtao04.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <20020809154415.5723.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com> Here's a copy of the email I sent to Erik who disapproved this cache. ------------ Erik, I would like your comments on a cache you recently disaproved here in Arizona. The cache is GC7C65. In particular, I'm interested in why this cache was disapproved and GC38E3, which is very similar, was approved. It seems like the new cache is an improvement on the old one in that it requires documentation to support a find, and the documentation itself will help improve the image of geocaching. I'm looking forward to your response. Sincerely, Bob Renner ------------- --- kenh199@cox.net wrote: > I would like opinions on this cache that was turned > down. > > WhereRWee? > Ken __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 15:52:56 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Mark Heitowit) Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 08:52:56 -0700 Subject: [[Az-Geocaching] Comments on GC7C65] Message-ID: <20020809155256.3944.qmail@uadvg137.cms.usa.net> If you change the cache to limit a finder to only be able to log an individual cache location only once, then I believe it should meet the criteria for a "Locationless" cache. Mark Magical Memories kenh199@cox.net wrote: > I would like opinions on this cache that was turned down. > > WhereRWee? > Ken > > > --------------------------------------------- > Attachment:�reply > MIME Type:�text/html > --------------------------------------------- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 16:02:42 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brent Milner) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:02:42 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Congrats & Invitation to Phoenix In-Reply-To: <90.2a2140b4.2a84a192@aol.com> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C23F83.8525AE20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Team roadrunners, Will you all let me know when your caches are no longer "members-only" caches? You have placed four or five caches within 5 miles of my house, and I'm looking forward to the hunt! I printed a couple of them before the AZ Republic story, but I still won't be able to log my visit. Thanks, -FroBro Q-Tip -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Jeakell@aol.com Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 9:40 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Congrats & Invitation to Phoenix Congratulations to Team Scotti! Just wanted to invite you to come up north for all the caching you could handle on a weekend. We went to Tucson in March for my birthday weekend. Camped and cached all weekend. Really enjoyed your hides there. Check out some of our caches if you are in the East Valley. We plan to return to Tucson this fall. Kelly- roadrunners ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C23F83.8525AE20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Team=20 roadrunners,

Will you all let me know when=20 your caches are no longer "members-only" caches? You have = placed four or five caches within 5 miles of my house, and I'm = looking=20 forward to the hunt! I printed a couple of them before the AZ Republic = story,=20 but I still won't be able to log my visit.

Thanks,

-FroBro Q-Tip

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of=20 Jeakell@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 9:40=20 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: = [Az-Geocaching]=20 Congrats & Invitation to Phoenix

Congratulations to Team Scotti! Just wanted to invite you = to come=20 up north for all the caching you could handle on a weekend. = We went=20 to Tucson in March for my birthday weekend. Camped and cached all=20 weekend. Really enjoyed your hides there. Check out some of = our=20 caches if you are in the East Valley. We plan to return to Tucson = this=20 fall.
Kelly- roadrunners ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C23F83.8525AE20-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 16:13:06 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brent Milner) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:13:06 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New to the list In-Reply-To: <002101c23f6a$43e416e0$d253530c@berryjhome> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C23F84.F93A5DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Welcome, Team BerrydTreasures! I am also new to this list, and have found it to be chock-full of friendly folks. I started Geocaching last month. FroBro Goose and I got each other hooked on the fun, although he has found 12 times as many caches as I. In fact, I'm still in last place among all five FroBros. Gotta get a move on! :) -FroBro Q-Tip -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Jamie & Rosemary Berry Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 11:02 PM To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New to the list We just wanted to drop a note and say hello to everyone on the list. We are team BerrydTreasures and have been thoroughly enjoying Geocaching since March of this year. Libby told us about this list back when we started, but we never took the time to sign up. We finally decided to get around to it and now look forward to becoming even more involved in this great pastime. Thanks, Jamie, Rosemary, Jameson and Tanyon - Team BerrydTreasures. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C23F84.F93A5DA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Welcome, Team BerrydTreasures! I am also new to this list, and = have found=20 it to be chock-full of friendly folks. I started Geocaching last month. = FroBro=20 Goose and I got each other hooked on the fun, although he has found 12 = times as=20 many caches as I.

In=20 fact, I'm still in last place among all five FroBros. Gotta get a move = on!=20 :)

-FroBro Q-Tip

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of = Jamie=20 & Rosemary Berry
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 11:02=20 PM
To: = az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com
Subject:=20 [Az-Geocaching] New to the list

Thanks,

Jamie, Rosemary, Jameson and Tanyon - = Team=20 BerrydTreasures.

------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C23F84.F93A5DA0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 16:32:05 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:32:05 EDT Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Congrats & Invitation to Phoenix Message-ID: --part1_d1.1c9afad0.2a854885_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/9/2002 9:08:53 AM US Mountain Standard Time, milner@unicon.net writes: > Team roadrunners, > > Will you all let me know when your caches are no longer "members-only" > caches? You have placed four or five caches within 5 miles of my house, and > I'm looking forward to the hunt! I printed a couple of them before the AZ > Republic story, but I still won't be able to log my visit. > > Thanks, > -FroBro Q-Tip > > We will be changing our caches back to normal after the weekend. With all the bad publicity, we thought it best to make them members only as a temporary basis. Some of our caches are very delicate or specialized and would be hard to replace if someone chose to destroy or remove them. Hope this isn't too great of an inconvenience. roadrunners --part1_d1.1c9afad0.2a854885_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/9/2002 9:08:53 AM US Mountain Standard Time, milner@unicon.net writes:

Team roadrunners,

Will you all let me know when your caches are no longer "members-only" caches? You have placed four or five caches within 5 miles of my house, and I'm looking forward to the hunt! I printed a couple of them before the AZ Republic story, but I still won't be able to log my visit.

Thanks,
-FroBro Q-Tip

We will be changing our caches back to normal after the weekend. With all the bad publicity, we thought it best to make them members only as a temporary basis. Some of our caches are very delicate or specialized and would be hard to replace if someone chose to destroy or remove them. Hope this isn't too great of an inconvenience.
roadrunners --part1_d1.1c9afad0.2a854885_boundary-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 16:36:14 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Koch, Dan) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:36:14 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Congrats & Invitation to Phoenix Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C23FC2.E0AD8A30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Yeah, but they'd have to find them first. And that's no easy feat... :) Dan Team LazyK -----Original Message----- From: Jeakell@aol.com [mailto:Jeakell@aol.com] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 9:32 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Congrats & Invitation to Phoenix In a message dated 8/9/2002 9:08:53 AM US Mountain Standard Time, milner@unicon.net writes: Team roadrunners, Will you all let me know when your caches are no longer "members-only" caches? You have placed four or five caches within 5 miles of my house, and I'm looking forward to the hunt! I printed a couple of them before the AZ Republic story, but I still won't be able to log my visit. Thanks, -FroBro Q-Tip We will be changing our caches back to normal after the weekend. With all the bad publicity, we thought it best to make them members only as a temporary basis. Some of our caches are very delicate or specialized and would be hard to replace if someone chose to destroy or remove them. Hope this isn't too great of an inconvenience. roadrunners ------_=_NextPart_001_01C23FC2.E0AD8A30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"

Yeah, but they'd have to find them first. And that's no easy feat... :)

Dan

Team LazyK

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeakell@aol.com [mailto:Jeakell@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 9:32 AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Congrats & Invitation to Phoenix

In a message dated 8/9/2002 9:08:53 AM US Mountain Standard Time, milner@unicon.net writes:

Team roadrunners,

Will you all let me know when your caches are no longer "members-only" caches? You have placed four or five caches within 5 miles of my house, and I'm looking forward to the hunt! I printed a couple of them before the AZ Republic story, but I still won't be able to log my visit.

Thanks,
-FroBro Q-Tip

We will be changing our caches back to normal after the weekend. With all the bad publicity, we thought it best to make them members only as a temporary basis. Some of our caches are very delicate or specialized and would be hard to replace if someone chose to destroy or remove them. Hope this isn't too great of an inconvenience.
roadrunners

------_=_NextPart_001_01C23FC2.E0AD8A30-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 17:00:55 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 10:00:55 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Congrats & Invitation to Phoenix In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020809094312.00a65630@mail.myblueheaven.com> --=====================_2572665==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:32 PM 8/9/2002 -0400, you wrote: >We will be changing our caches back to normal after the weekend. With all >the bad publicity, we thought it best to make them members only as a >temporary basis. Some of our caches are very delicate or specialized and >would be hard to replace if someone chose to destroy or remove them. Hope >this isn't too great of an inconvenience. Let me ask a question. What exactly does this accomplish? If you are concerned that a horde on new geocachers will damage your cache, then what would be the difference if that same horde of new geocachers find it the second week after the bad article? If you are only planning on keeping them member's only for one weekend, aren't you just delaying what you must consider the inevitable? If you are concerned that a horde of land managers are going to be out this weekend and removing caches, what will prevent them from waiting a week and doing it after they have been moved back to being normal caches? Somehow I just see this as wrong. What is the goal of hiding a cache? Is it to provide something for others to find, or is it to help our own egos? If someone chooses to destroy or remove our caches, they are going to do it. If not this weekend, then perhaps next weekend, or the weekend after that, or... I posted a message about this yesterday and only received 2 replies, either people don't want to talk about this issue, or I am the only one that feels we are looking very snobbish to new geocachers by trying to hide our caches from them? We welcome the new folks who signed up to this list because of the Republic article, but we don't seem to want them to find our caches until after this weekend. I just don't get it. I will get off my soadbox now, but I really think that those teams that have made their caches member's only should really consider changing them back. If an item is so delicate or specialized that it can't be replaced, perhaps it shouldn't have been used as a geocache. Just $0.02 more. In liberty, Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com --=====================_2572665==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 12:32 PM 8/9/2002 -0400, you wrote:

We will be changing our caches back to normal after the weekend. With all the bad publicity, we thought it best to make them members only as a temporary basis. Some of our caches are very delicate or specialized and would be hard to replace if someone chose to destroy or remove them. Hope this isn't too great of an inconvenience.

Let me ask a question. What exactly does this accomplish?

If you are concerned that a horde on new geocachers will damage your cache, then what would be the difference if that same horde of new geocachers find it the second week after the bad article? If you are only planning on keeping them member's only for one weekend, aren't you just delaying what you must consider the inevitable? If you are concerned that a horde of land managers are going to be out this weekend and removing caches, what will prevent them from waiting a week and doing it after they have been moved back to being normal caches?

Somehow I just see this as wrong. What is the goal of hiding a cache? Is it to provide something for others to find, or is it to help our own egos? If someone chooses to destroy or remove our caches, they are going to do it. If not this weekend, then perhaps next weekend, or the weekend after that, or...

I posted a message about this yesterday and only received 2 replies, either people don't want to talk about this issue, or I am the only one that feels we are looking very snobbish to new geocachers by trying to hide our caches from them? We welcome the new folks who signed up to this list because of the Republic article, but we don't seem to want them to find our caches until after this weekend. I just don't get it.

I will get off my soadbox now, but I really think that those teams that have made their caches member's only should really consider changing them back. If an item is so delicate or specialized that it can't be replaced, perhaps it shouldn't have been used as a geocache.

Just $0.02 more.

In liberty,

Scott

wood@myblueheaven.com

www.myblueheaven.com

--=====================_2572665==_.ALT-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 17:12:21 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Andrew Ayre) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:12:21 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Congrats & Invitation to Phoenix In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020809094312.00a65630@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C23F8D.402E7400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott, I agree with you too. I don't understand it either. If they already have a GPS (which they almost certainly need) then they are already inclined towards doing things outdoors. They may set off with the idea of destroying a cache, but by the time they get there they may like Geocaching! Plus when you place a cache you have to accept that it may get removed/destroyed/etc. It is the risk of publically announcing where you put something. If it does vanish or get destroyed you have the option of archiving the cache, or replacing it. Until then it is there for other Geocachers to enjoy. Andy -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Scott Wood Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 10:01 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Congrats & Invitation to Phoenix At 12:32 PM 8/9/2002 -0400, you wrote: We will be changing our caches back to normal after the weekend. With all the bad publicity, we thought it best to make them members only as a temporary basis. Some of our caches are very delicate or specialized and would be hard to replace if someone chose to destroy or remove them. Hope this isn't too great of an inconvenience. Let me ask a question. What exactly does this accomplish? If you are concerned that a horde on new geocachers will damage your cache, then what would be the difference if that same horde of new geocachers find it the second week after the bad article? If you are only planning on keeping them member's only for one weekend, aren't you just delaying what you must consider the inevitable? If you are concerned that a horde of land managers are going to be out this weekend and removing caches, what will prevent them from waiting a week and doing it after they have been moved back to being normal caches? Somehow I just see this as wrong. What is the goal of hiding a cache? Is it to provide something for others to find, or is it to help our own egos? If someone chooses to destroy or remove our caches, they are going to do it. If not this weekend, then perhaps next weekend, or the weekend after that, or... I posted a message about this yesterday and only received 2 replies, either people don't want to talk about this issue, or I am the only one that feels we are looking very snobbish to new geocachers by trying to hide our caches from them? We welcome the new folks who signed up to this list because of the Republic article, but we don't seem to want them to find our caches until after this weekend. I just don't get it. I will get off my soadbox now, but I really think that those teams that have made their caches member's only should really consider changing them back. If an item is so delicate or specialized that it can't be replaced, perhaps it shouldn't have been used as a geocache. Just $0.02 more. In liberty, Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C23F8D.402E7400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Scott,

I=20 agree with you too. I don't understand it either.

If=20 they already have a GPS (which they almost certainly need) then they are = already=20 inclined towards doing things outdoors. They may set off with the idea = of=20 destroying a cache, but by the time they get there they may like = Geocaching!=20 Plus when you place a cache you have to accept that it may get=20 removed/destroyed/etc. It is the risk of publically announcing = where=20 you put something. If it does vanish or get destroyed you have the = option of=20 archiving the cache, or replacing it. Until then it is there for other=20 Geocachers to enjoy.

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of=20 Scott Wood
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 10:01 = AM
To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = Congrats=20 & Invitation to Phoenix

At 12:32 PM 8/9/2002 = -0400,=20 you wrote:

We = will be changing=20 our caches back to normal after the weekend. With all the bad = publicity, we=20 thought it best to make them members only as a temporary basis. Some = of our=20 caches are very delicate or specialized and would be hard to replace = if=20 someone chose to destroy or remove them. Hope this isn't too great = of an=20 inconvenience.

Let me ask a question. What = exactly does=20 this accomplish?

If you are concerned that a horde on new = geocachers=20 will damage your cache, then what would be the difference if that same = horde=20 of new geocachers find it the second week after the bad article? = If you=20 are only planning on keeping them member's only for one weekend, = aren't you=20 just delaying what you must consider the inevitable? If you are=20 concerned that a horde of land managers are going to be out this = weekend and=20 removing caches, what will prevent them from waiting a week and doing = it after=20 they have been moved back to being normal caches?

Somehow I = just see=20 this as wrong. What is the goal of hiding a cache? Is it = to=20 provide something for others to find, or is it to help our own = egos? If=20 someone chooses to destroy or remove our caches, they are going to do=20 it. If not this weekend, then perhaps next weekend, or the = weekend after=20 that, or...

I posted a message about this yesterday and only = received 2=20 replies, either people don't want to talk about this issue, or I am = the only=20 one that feels we are looking very snobbish to new geocachers by = trying to=20 hide our caches from them? We welcome the new folks who signed = up to=20 this list because of the Republic article, but we don't seem to want = them to=20 find our caches until after this weekend. I just don't get = it.

I=20 will get off my soadbox now, but I really think that those teams that = have=20 made their caches member's only should really consider changing them=20 back. If an item is so delicate or specialized that it can't be=20 replaced, perhaps it shouldn't have been used as a = geocache.

Just $0.02=20 more.

In liberty,

Scott

wood@myblueheaven.com

www.myblueheaven.com

------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C23F8D.402E7400-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 17:16:17 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:16:17 EDT Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Congrats & Invitation to Phoenix Message-ID: --part1_aa.fcc1e7b.2a8552e1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/9/2002 10:03:13 AM US Mountain Standard Time, wood@myblueheaven.com writes: > Let me ask a question. What exactly does this accomplish? > We are not trying to hide our caches from new cachers or land managers. We welcome new cachers to the sport and our caches are in public places accesible by all. The thought was that some people who read the article might think caching itself is a bad sport and there are people who would seek caches to destroy them just to be hateful. I think this is fresh in the minds of people right now and the time is more likely to be now rather than later for this to occur. As the article pointed out, there are vandals out there who seek to destroy and have no respect for others or historical artifacts. Perhaps we are being overly sensitive, but I think everyone is a little on edge this week and feeling defensive after being wrongly accused in a public forum. The caches are not so fragile that cachers cannot handle them, but some of them required some time consuming construction on our part and even ordering of some parts from an outside source. These could be replaced eventually, but not by just buying another tupperwear container. Now I will put in my 0.02 cents in as well, at the risk of offending someone: I encourage those of us who participate in the sport on a regular basis to support the geocache website by forking our a few bucks and joining as a member. This does not mean I think all or even any caches should be members only. I just get so much enjoyment from the sport that I want to do my part to make sure the website continues to exist, because without it, there would be no geocaching. Look for our caches to be reinstated as normal on monday. Jean roadrunners --part1_aa.fcc1e7b.2a8552e1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/9/2002 10:03:13 AM US Mountain Standard Time, wood@myblueheaven.com writes:

Let me ask a question. What exactly does this accomplish?

We are not trying to hide our caches from new cachers or land managers. We welcome new cachers to the sport and our caches are in public places accesible by all. The thought was that some people who read the article might think caching itself is a bad sport and there are people who would seek caches to destroy them just to be hateful. I think this is fresh in the minds of people right now and the time is more likely to be now rather than later for this to occur. As the article pointed out, there are vandals out there who seek to destroy and have no respect for others or historical artifacts. Perhaps we are being overly sensitive, but I think everyone is a little on edge this week and feeling defensive after being wrongly accused in a public forum.

The caches are not so fragile that cachers cannot handle them, but some of them required some time consuming construction on our part and even ordering of some parts from an outside source. These could be replaced eventually, but not by just buying another tupperwear container.

Now I will put in my 0.02 cents in as well, at the risk of offending someone: I encourage those of us who participate in the sport on a regular basis to support the geocache website by forking our a few bucks and joining as a member. This does not mean I think all or even any caches should be members only. I just get so much enjoyment from the sport that I want to do my part to make sure the website continues to exist, because without it, there would be no geocaching.

Look for our caches to be reinstated as normal on monday.
Jean
roadrunners --part1_aa.fcc1e7b.2a8552e1_boundary-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 17:30:40 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 10:30:40 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Congrats & Invitation to Phoenix In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020809094312.00a65630@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020809102946.00a98520@mail.myblueheaven.com> --=====================_4356939==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:12 AM 8/9/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Scott, > >I agree with you too. I don't understand it either. Thanks, at least I am not completely alone on this one. Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache --=====================_4356939==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 10:12 AM 8/9/2002 -0700, you wrote:

Scott,

I agree with you too. I don't understand it either.

Thanks, at least I am not completely alone on this one.

Scott

Team My Blue Heaven

www.myblueheaven.com/geocache

--=====================_4356939==_.ALT-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 17:29:30 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 10:29:30 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Congrats & Invitation to Phoenix In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020809102330.00a9ad40@mail.myblueheaven.com> --=====================_4356900==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:16 PM 8/9/2002 -0400, you wrote: the sport and our caches are in public places accesible by all. The thought was that some people who read the article might think caching itself is a bad sport and there are people who would seek caches to destroy them just to be hateful. I think this is fresh in the minds of people right now and the time is more likely to be now rather than later for this to occur. As the article pointed out, there are vandals out there who seek to destroy and have no respect for others or historical artifacts. Perhaps we are being overly sensitive, but I think everyone is a little on edge this week and feeling defensive after being wrongly accused in a public forum. ----------------- There has been no indication that there is going to be an army of people, or even a single person for that matter, who will be heading out with the sole purpose of destroying caches. The only negative that I have seen was the gentleman who posted the message to the list about his property, and even though I doubt that geocaching is the cause, he has every right to be upset about the trashing of his property. I also don't mean to offend, and if I do I apologize, but I see this as a knee-jerk reaction to a perceived problem that may or may not exist. I still contend that if there are those out there that are going to be anti-geocachers, one weekend will not stop them. If they are intent on destroying caches, they will start with the easy ones and then move on to the harder ones. If it gets to a point where there are only member's only caches left they will simply spend the $35 so that they can destroy them also. Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache --=====================_4356900==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 01:16 PM 8/9/2002 -0400, you wrote:
the sport and our caches are in public places accesible by all. The thought was that some people who read the article might think caching itself is a bad sport and there are people who would seek caches to destroy them just to be hateful. I think this is fresh in the minds of people right now and the time is more likely to be now rather than later for this to occur. As the article pointed out, there are vandals out there who seek to destroy and have no respect for others or historical artifacts. Perhaps we are being overly sensitive, but I think everyone is a little on edge this week and feeling defensive after being wrongly accused in a public forum.

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There has been no indication that there is going to be an army of people, or even a single person for that matter, who will be heading out with the sole purpose of destroying caches. The only negative that I have seen was the gentleman who posted the message to the list about his property, and even though I doubt that geocaching is the cause, he has every right to be upset about the trashing of his property.

I also don't mean to offend, and if I do I apologize, but I see this as a knee-jerk reaction to a perceived problem that may or may not exist. I still contend that if there are those out there that are going to be anti-geocachers, one weekend will not stop them. If they are intent on destroying caches, they will start with the easy ones and then move on to the harder ones. If it gets to a point where there are only member's only caches left they will simply spend the $35 so that they can destroy them also.

Scott

Team My Blue Heaven

www.myblueheaven.com/geocache

--=====================_4356900==_.ALT-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 17:42:05 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ford, Denny) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:42:05 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Archeaological Sites Message-ID: To all,(including Ms. Leonard) I just wanted to add one last comment on this very ugly situation. I understand that as a group we have tried to be as polite as possible, but this has made me mad, and time has come to take off the gloves. First of all as we all have been reading our own input, and most of us have been approached by our co-workers and friends, stating 'this sounds like geocachers are a bunch of vandals'. This is all because a certain yellow print journalist did not follow the ethics in her profession. If she would have only done her research to find the truth, but to make the matter worse, the tabloid that she works for has put this on the front page. They are all about money, and selling papers, this really makes me think of how many other reports that are in this so called NEWS PAPER are full of lies and mislead the public. We all know how this article was preposterous. Personally I will never buy that piece of garbage again. I implore all of our group do the same and pass the word, to our friends, families and coworkers. They claim to have power of the press, we have the power of the people. What really set me off is she did not want our conversations to talk about her, well sorry sister that is what is great about this country is freedom, and we have freedom of speech, but the only difference is we are speaking the truth, and not a bunch of lies. If she really cares about the truth or setting thing right, an apology is in order, from Ms. Leonard and the Arizona Republic. Denny Ford From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 18:02:58 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bell, Robert) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:02:58 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] More News Message-ID: Unfortunately the AP picks up trash like we do, except theirs was this unsubstantiated diatribe from the AZ Republic. The story has now also run in the AZ Daily Star paper in Tucson, and has been picked up by NPR, and has been discussed on that radio station at least twice. Who knows who else has seen or read about it. http://www.azstarnet.com/star/thu/20808RScavengerHunt.html When we got other news coverage, it was informative and in a positive vein. I was excited to have more people join and participate. This negative article is obviously making the rounds on the AP new wires now. My concern is people looking at the website and wondering if any of these "vandal magnets" are nearby, and possibly removing them to prevent a perceived threat. Over-reaction? Maybe, but I'd rather be safe than sorry. I suspect Mr Ed would fall into this category, and probably others who won't bother or know how to check the facts further. So I respectfully disagree on not temporary MO caches. Its not that big a deal really. I've gotten two finds on my caches today alone. If you're a serious cacher, you probably have already done them, or are a member. If you're not, waiting a week or so probably won't inconvenience you. Lets stick together on this to support and protect the game we so much enjoy. Rob Team CHUMP From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 18:10:24 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Joanna Strohn) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:10:24 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Clueless Newbie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <006a01c23fd0$082ed6b0$c58efea9@p550> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C23F95.5BCFFEB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The other night there was a quick news item on Tucson TV about "geocaching". I didn't really catch what the story was about but I was online and checked out the GeoCaching site. Inputted my zip code and a couple caches came up, and I'm pretty sure I know where a couple are as they're about a mile away from my home. Bought a GPS yesterday. Used the excuse I can always give it to my son. Trying to learn to use it! Will go cache hunting later today or over the weekend. Looks like I joined in the middle of a controversy. Is there an online link to that Republic story? -- Joanna, Clueless in Tucson, aka WingRider, not team anything since I don't know anyone (yet) ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C23F95.5BCFFEB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The = other night=20 there was a quick news item on Tucson TV about "geocaching". I didn't = really=20 catch what the story was about but I was online and checked out the = GeoCaching=20 site. Inputted my zip code and a couple caches came up, and I'm pretty = sure I=20 know where a couple are as they're about a mile away from my=20 home.

Bought = a GPS=20 yesterday. Used the excuse I can always give it to my son. Trying = to learn=20 to use it! Will go cache hunting later today or over the weekend.=20

Looks = like I joined=20 in the middle of a controversy. Is there an online link to that Republic = story?=20

= -- Joanna,=20 Clueless in Tucson, aka WingRider, not team anything since I don't know = anyone=20 (yet)

------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C23F95.5BCFFEB0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 18:30:23 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Farquhar, Larry) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:30:23 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Clueless Newbie Message-ID: <5EDEA14A2792394EA7D482E702C4C6DB02254209@ipnismtp1.ipni.com> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C23FD2.D3434B40 Content-Type: text/plain Welcome WingRider! Hope you have as much fun finding geocaches as we have! It's a great family game! Too bad about the false accusations geocaching has been getting in the press lately. You know what's funny - the reporter who wrote the original article has a GPS and is planning to go geocaching with her husband! Let us know if you need any help or advice. There's some good, very active geocacher's in the Tucson area, as well as some real scenic caches to locate. Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com -----Original Message----- From: Joanna Strohn [mailto:joanna@msn.com] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:10 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Clueless Newbie The other night there was a quick news item on Tucson TV about "geocaching". I didn't really catch what the story was about but I was online and checked out the GeoCaching site. Inputted my zip code and a couple caches came up, and I'm pretty sure I know where a couple are as they're about a mile away from my home. Bought a GPS yesterday. Used the excuse I can always give it to my son. Trying to learn to use it! Will go cache hunting later today or over the weekend. Looks like I joined in the middle of a controversy. Is there an online link to that Republic story? -- Joanna, Clueless in Tucson, aka WingRider, not team anything since I don't know anyone (yet) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C23FD2.D3434B40 Content-Type: text/html Message

Welcome WingRider!

Hope you have as much fun finding geocaches as we have! It's a great family game! Too bad about the false accusations geocaching has been getting in the press lately. You know what's funny - the reporter who wrote the original article has a GPS and is planning to go geocaching with her husband!

Let us know if you need any help or advice. There's some good, very active geocacher's in the Tucson area, as well as some real scenic caches to locate.

Larry Farquhar
Team "Wyle E"
www.happy-wanderers.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Joanna Strohn [mailto:joanna@msn.com]
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:10 AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Clueless Newbie

The other night there was a quick news item on Tucson TV about "geocaching". I didn't really catch what the story was about but I was online and checked out the GeoCaching site. Inputted my zip code and a couple caches came up, and I'm pretty sure I know where a couple are as they're about a mile away from my home.

Bought a GPS yesterday. Used the excuse I can always give it to my son. Trying to learn to use it! Will go cache hunting later today or over the weekend.

Looks like I joined in the middle of a controversy. Is there an online link to that Republic story?

-- Joanna, Clueless in Tucson, aka WingRider, not team anything since I don't know anyone (yet)

------_=_NextPart_001_01C23FD2.D3434B40-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 18:31:47 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Eric Quinn) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:31:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Clueless Newbie In-Reply-To: <006a01c23fd0$082ed6b0$c58efea9@p550> Message-ID: <20020809183147.11770.qmail@web13101.mail.yahoo.com> Welcome! The article can be found here: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0807cache07.html Make sure you understand the rating system before you hunt a particular cache, the more stars it has, the tougher it is in that category. We have some highly creative people in this state when it comes to hiding things so ones that are 1/1 to 2/2 would probably be best to try at first. WingRider is a fine name. The "team" moniker is rather popular in AZ but not so much elsewhere. Eric Team Dragon --- Joanna Strohn wrote: > The other night there was a quick news item on > Tucson TV about "geocaching". I didn't really catch > what the story was about but I was online and checked > out the GeoCaching site. Inputted my zip code and a > couple caches came up, and I'm pretty sure I know > where a couple are as they're about a mile away > from my home. > > Bought a GPS yesterday. Used the excuse I can always > give it to my son. Trying to learn to use it! > Will go cache hunting later today or over the > weekend. > > Looks like I joined in the middle of a controversy. > Is there an online link > to that Republic story? > > -- Joanna, Clueless in Tucson, aka WingRider, not > team anything since I > don't know anyone (yet) > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 18:36:09 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 11:36:09 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] More News In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020809113312.00a95e90@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 11:02 AM 8/9/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Lets stick together on this to support and protect the game we so much >enjoy. I agree that we should stick together, but I strongly disagree about it being a good idea to make caches MO. It doesn't really matter though, each person needs to make their own decision as how to manage their own caches. I choose to leave mine open, you don't. I made it a point to hide a new cache in Tucson last night. It was a cache that I had been planning for a few weeks, but just hadn't gotten around to placing. I decided that because of the negative publicity, I needed to do something positive, and hiding a new cache was what I chose to do. Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 18:39:33 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 11:39:33 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Clueless Newbie In-Reply-To: <006a01c23fd0$082ed6b0$c58efea9@p550> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020809113709.00a6a710@mail.myblueheaven.com> --=====================_10777705==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:10 AM 8/9/2002 -0700, you wrote: >The other night there was a quick news item on Tucson TV about >"geocaching". I didn't really catch what the story was about but I was >online and checked out the GeoCaching site. Inputted my zip code and a >couple caches came up, and I'm pretty sure I know where a couple are as >they're about a mile away from my home. Welcome aboard. We were one of the teams that was part of that story, if it is the one that I am thinking about. Tucson needs more geocachers. I hope that you enjoy some of the caches that are in the area. > >Looks like I joined in the middle of a controversy. Is there an online >link to that Republic story? It will pass. Here is the links to both the republic story and the edited version that the star ran. http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0807cache07.html http://www.azstarnet.com/star/thu/20808RScavengerHunt.html > > -- Joanna, Clueless in Tucson, aka WingRider, not team anything since I > don't know anyone (yet) > > Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache --=====================_10777705==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 11:10 AM 8/9/2002 -0700, you wrote:

The other night there was a quick news item on Tucson TV about "geocaching". I didn't really catch what the story was about but I was online and checked out the GeoCaching site. Inputted my zip code and a couple caches came up, and I'm pretty sure I know where a couple are as they're about a mile away from my home.

Welcome aboard. We were one of the teams that was part of that story, if it is the one that I am thinking about.

Tucson needs more geocachers. I hope that you enjoy some of the caches that are in the area.

Looks like I joined in the middle of a controversy. Is there an online link to that Republic story?

It will pass. Here is the links to both the republic story and the edited version that the star ran.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0807cache07.html

http://www.azstarnet.com/star/thu/20808RScavengerHunt.html

-- Joanna, Clueless in Tucson, aka WingRider, not team anything since I don't know anyone (yet)

Scott

Team My Blue Heaven

www.myblueheaven.com/geocache

--=====================_10777705==_.ALT-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 20:11:23 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ford, Denny) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:11:23 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Clueless Newbie Message-ID: Hey you can be a team of one. But it is more fun with someone, It is always better to go caching with other teams. Denny (Tres Hombres) -----Original Message----- From: Scott Wood [mailto:wood@myblueheaven.com] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:40 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Clueless Newbie At 11:10 AM 8/9/2002 -0700, you wrote: The other night there was a quick news item on Tucson TV about "geocaching". I didn't really catch what the story was about but I was online and checked out the GeoCaching site. Inputted my zip code and a couple caches came up, and I'm pretty sure I know where a couple are as they're about a mile away from my home. Welcome aboard. We were one of the teams that was part of that story, if it is the one that I am thinking about. Tucson needs more geocachers. I hope that you enjoy some of the caches that are in the area. Looks like I joined in the middle of a controversy. Is there an online link to that Republic story? It will pass. Here is the links to both the republic story and the edited version that the star ran. http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0807cache07.html http://www.azstarnet.com/star/thu/20808RScavengerHunt.html -- Joanna, Clueless in Tucson, aka WingRider, not team anything since I don't know anyone (yet) Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 20:45:51 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: 09 Aug 2002 13:45:51 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] More News In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1028925951.16381.27.camel@fone.snaptek.com> OUCH!, it's been re-edited so that we sound even worse! I really wish that I had just said "geocachers wouldn't do anything like that", so she could have quoted me saying that, but I tend to be a realist that although there is no doubt in my mind that geocachers had nothing to do with any of that damage, there is still that extremely remote possibility of a rotten apple in the bunch, so it came out as "I dont think any geocaches would do that" Funny enough, we have picked up way more people on the listserv though this article than in the past with the more positive articles. Hopefully they are people that want to make up thier own mind and not more of the Mr. Eds that obviously want someone to blame for problems in their life and can't find the real culprits. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek On Fri, 2002-08-09 at 11:02, Bell, Robert wrote: > > Unfortunately the AP picks up trash like we do, except theirs > was this unsubstantiated diatribe from the AZ Republic. The > story has now also run in the AZ Daily Star paper in Tucson, and > has been picked up by NPR, and has been discussed on that > radio station at least twice. Who knows who else has seen or > read about it. > > http://www.azstarnet.com/star/thu/20808RScavengerHunt.html From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 20:49:26 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Richard Pinnell) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:49:26 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] newbies and archeaological sites Message-ID: <000a01c23fe6$404f1df0$5c4fe99f@sc.co.pima.az.us> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C23FAB.939F18B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone, I read the article about geocaching on the AZ Republic website. I did = seem one sided to me. However, I had never heard of geocaching prior to = this article. I checked out the geocaching website and am purchasing a = GPS unit next week. Thanks to that article, the sport has 2 new members. = This sounds like so much fun to my wife and I. We will probably try to = do one of the easier ones in Tucson this weekend without the GPS. Let me assure you all that we will never destroy or vandalize. We are = both native Tucsonans and we very much value our natural resources. Team Gizmo ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C23FAB.939F18B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi everyone,

I read the article about geocaching on = the AZ=20 Republic website. I did seem one sided to me. However, I had = never=20 heard of geocaching prior to this article. I checked out the = geocaching=20 website and am purchasing a GPS unit next week. Thanks to that = article, the=20 sport has 2 new members. This sounds like so much fun to my wife and = I. We=20 will probably try to do one of the easier ones in Tucson this weekend = without=20 the GPS.

Let me assure you all that we will = never destroy or=20 vandalize. We are both native Tucsonans and we very much value our = natural=20 resources.

Team Gizmo

------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C23FAB.939F18B0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 21:06:23 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Larry Farquhar) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:06:23 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] newbies and archeaological sites In-Reply-To: <000a01c23fe6$404f1df0$5c4fe99f@sc.co.pima.az.us> Message-ID: <002301c23fe8$9e609ed0$3701a8c0@LARRY> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C23FAD.F201C6D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Welcome Team Gizmo! I'm sure you'll find geocaching is a lot of fun, and sometimes a little addicting! Tucson has some great caches! Glad you've kept an open mind about the article, because we believe it's full of false accusations. Let us know if you have any questions to help get you started. Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Richard Pinnell Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 1:49 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] newbies and archeaological sites Hi everyone, I read the article about geocaching on the AZ Republic website. I did seem one sided to me. However, I had never heard of geocaching prior to this article. I checked out the geocaching website and am purchasing a GPS unit next week. Thanks to that article, the sport has 2 new members. This sounds like so much fun to my wife and I. We will probably try to do one of the easier ones in Tucson this weekend without the GPS. Let me assure you all that we will never destroy or vandalize. We are both native Tucsonans and we very much value our natural resources. Team Gizmo ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C23FAD.F201C6D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

Welcome Team Gizmo!

I'm=20 sure you'll find geocaching is a lot of fun, and sometimes a little = addicting! Tucson has some great caches! Glad you've kept an open mind = about the=20 article, because we believe it's full of false = accusations.

Let us=20 know if you have any questions to help get you = started.

Larry = Farquhar

Team "Wyle E"

www.happy-wanderers.com

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = Richard Pinnell
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 1:49=20 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: = [Az-Geocaching]=20 newbies and archeaological sites

Hi everyone,

I read the article about geocaching = on the AZ=20 Republic website. I did seem one sided to me. However, I = had never=20 heard of geocaching prior to this article. I checked out the = geocaching=20 website and am purchasing a GPS unit next week. Thanks to that = article,=20 the sport has 2 new members. This sounds like so much fun to my wife = and=20 I. We will probably try to do one of the easier ones in Tucson = this=20 weekend without the GPS.

Let me assure you all that we will = never destroy=20 or vandalize. We are both native Tucsonans and we very much = value our=20 natural resources.

Team = Gizmo

------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C23FAD.F201C6D0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 21:11:59 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 14:11:59 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] newbies and archeaological sites In-Reply-To: <000a01c23fe6$404f1df0$5c4fe99f@sc.co.pima.az.us> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020809140822.00a82ec0@mail.myblueheaven.com> --=====================_17724083==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:49 PM 8/9/2002 -0700, you wrote: >so much fun to my wife and I. We will probably try to do one of the >easier ones in Tucson this weekend without the GPS. There are a few that can most likely be done that way, but I really do enjoy watching the feet click off on the GPS as I get close to the target. :-) You will find that there are a lot of mapping programs and websites out there that allow you to enter coordinates and will give you a fairly detailed map of the area. If you tie that into something like Terra Server, you can really narrow it down. > Let me assure you all that we will never destroy or vandalize. We are > both native Tucsonans and we very much value our natural resources. Welcome aboard, as a fellow Tucson cacher, I am glad to see that there has been positive from that article. Tucson needs more active cachers. Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache --=====================_17724083==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 01:49 PM 8/9/2002 -0700, you wrote:

so much fun to my wife and I. We will probably try to do one of the easier ones in Tucson this weekend without the GPS.

There are a few that can most likely be done that way, but I really do enjoy watching the feet click off on the GPS as I get close to the target. :-)

You will find that there are a lot of mapping programs and websites out there that allow you to enter coordinates and will give you a fairly detailed map of the area. If you tie that into something like Terra Server, you can really narrow it down.

Let me assure you all that we will never destroy or vandalize. We are both native Tucsonans and we very much value our natural resources.

Welcome aboard, as a fellow Tucson cacher, I am glad to see that there has been positive from that article. Tucson needs more active cachers.

Scott

Team My Blue Heaven

www.myblueheaven.com/geocache

--=====================_17724083==_.ALT-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 21:24:04 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bob Renner) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:24:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Take a moment to offer your thoughts Message-ID: <20020809212404.30477.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com> All, I just received the following email from Larry. Take a few moments to say a prayer, or whatever you do, for one of the nicest people I've met. Larry, I hope everything works out for the best. My thoughts and those of my family will be with you. Bob Renner and family. --- "Farquhar, Larry" wrote: > > Bob; > > My mother is terminally ill and I just got word they > expect less than 24 > hours for her. I won't make it today geocaching - > hope you get this soon. > We're immediately heading out of state. > > Larry > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 21:29:43 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bob Renner) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:29:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Response from erik88l-r about disapproved cache Message-ID: <20020809212943.30761.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com> This is the response I got from Erik about the archiving of the new cache Ken (WhereAreWee?) tried to create. It looks like the only way to get a cache like that "approved" is to use different wording in the original submission and then edit it and totally change it to what you really want once it has been "approved". Bob --- "Geocaching.com User Email BOT" wrote: > From: "Geocaching.com User Email BOT" > > To: renner001@yahoo.com > Subject: erik88l-r contacting you from > Geocaching.com > Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 09:35:26 -0700 > > THIS IS AN AUTOMATED EMAIL MESSAGE FROM > GEOCACHING.COM > If you wish to email this person, visit your "my > cache page" link on Geocaching.com and use the Email > a player link. Please send any abuse complaints to > contact@geocaching.com > --------------------------------------------------- > > User erik88l-r has contacted you with the following > message: > > Hi, > Got your e-mail and agree 100% with everything you > said. > However what was posted is not a geocache per the > definitions that are posted. There are other > wonderful ideas like blood drives and "caches" that > document charitable donations and events to > construct a Habitat for Humanity home that have been > submitted and archived for the same reason. Those > are all truly worthwhile causes too, but they are > not geocaches. We have the discussion forums to > promote those to geocachers and I can understand and > appreciate the fact that you want to go beyond that. > > However, I can't alter the posted guidelines. > I've read the forums re. the article in question and > personally think its a bunch of BS. However I'm not > sure if being reactive like this is the right way to > go. Some would see it as picking up trash just > because someone said we were bad people, when we > should be showing examples of the good things our > group has done PRIOR to this newspaper piece. > If you feel very strongly that the guidelines for > geocaches should be altered for this please contact > Jeremy. The cache you reference (folding bags) was > posted about the time the guidelines were. There > was discussion earlier this week among the admins on > whether to archive that one and the consensus was to > "grandfather it" and leave it be. Please remember, > though, that "precedent" applies in a court of law, > not here - the site changes constantly as the sport > evolves. > All the best, > erik - geocaching.com admin > > To reply to this user, visit the web page below or > use 'erik88l-r' for the username and email them > through your "my cache page." (You'll need to be > logged in) > > http://www.geocaching.com/email/default.asp?U=erik88l%2Dr __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 21:52:52 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 14:52:52 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Take a moment to offer your thoughts In-Reply-To: <20020809212404.30477.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020809145152.00a8b550@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 02:24 PM 8/9/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Larry, I hope everything works out for the best. My >thoughts and those of my family will be with you. We are really sorry to hear this. Larry and his family will remain in our thoughts. Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 22:15:45 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (loran @cox) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:15:45 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Take a moment to offer your thoughts References: <20020809212404.30477.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004701c23ff2$5099fde0$0400a8c0@one> Our thoughts and prayers will be with you Larry. Loran, Laura, Andrew, and Daniel Team Sand Dollar ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Renner To: Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 2:24 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Take a moment to offer your thoughts > All, > > I just received the following email from Larry. Take > a few moments to say a prayer, or whatever you do, for > one of the nicest people I've met. > > Larry, I hope everything works out for the best. My > thoughts and those of my family will be with you. > > Bob Renner and family. > > > --- "Farquhar, Larry" wrote: > > > > Bob; > > > > My mother is terminally ill and I just got word they > > expect less than 24 > > hours for her. I won't make it today geocaching - > > hope you get this soon. > > We're immediately heading out of state. > > > > Larry > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 22:21:18 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Justin Sever) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:21:18 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Clueless Newbie In-Reply-To: <006a01c23fd0$082ed6b0$c58efea9@p550> Message-ID: <000f01c23ff3$15aac0b0$0200a8c0@laptop7500> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C23FB8.694BE8B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Welcome WingRider! I guarantee that you are going to be hooked after finding a couple of your first geocaches. I bought my first GPS 2 months ago when I was forwarded the geocaching website. It looked like a lot of fun, and I thought I would give it a try. I went out and bought a GPS and went and found my first geocache. When I first started I couldn't enter any waypoints into my original GPS (eTrek) without the computer cable connection. I bought the connection and once I had the waypoints in, geocaching turned into a whole new ballgame! It was even better than before! Within 1 month of buying my original GPS, I returned it and upgraded to a more advanced model (eMap). Needless to say I'm hooked. It has been about 2 months for me now, and I have found over 120 caches throughout the state as well as several in California. I wish you the best of luck, and highly recommend inputting waypoints in your GPS or getting the cable to to do so from your computer if you can't do it manually. Again, welcome to the community. -Frobro Goose -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Joanna Strohn Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:10 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Clueless Newbie The other night there was a quick news item on Tucson TV about "geocaching". I didn't really catch what the story was about but I was online and checked out the GeoCaching site. Inputted my zip code and a couple caches came up, and I'm pretty sure I know where a couple are as they're about a mile away from my home. Bought a GPS yesterday. Used the excuse I can always give it to my son. Trying to learn to use it! Will go cache hunting later today or over the weekend. Looks like I joined in the middle of a controversy. Is there an online link to that Republic story? -- Joanna, Clueless in Tucson, aka WingRider, not team anything since I don't know anyone (yet) ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C23FB8.694BE8B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

Welcome WingRider! I guarantee that you are going = to be=20 hooked after finding a couple of your first geocaches. =20

I=20 bought my first GPS 2 months ago when I was forwarded the geocaching=20 website. It looked like a lot of fun, and I thought I would = give it=20 a try. I went out and bought a GPS and went and found my = first=20 geocache. When I first started I couldn't enter any = waypoints into my=20 original GPS (eTrek) without the computer cable connection. = I bought=20 the connection and once I had the waypoints in, geocaching turned into a = whole=20 new ballgame! It was even better than = before! =20 Within 1 month of buying my original GPS, I returned it and upgraded to = a more=20 advanced model (eMap). Needless to say I'm=20 hooked. It has been about 2 months for me now, and I = have=20 found over 120 caches throughout the state as well as several in=20 California. I wish you the best of luck, and highly = recommend=20 inputting waypoints in your GPS or getting the cable to to do so from = your=20 computer if you can't do it manually.

Again,=20 welcome to the community.

-Frobro Goose

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = Joanna Strohn
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:10=20 AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: = [Az-Geocaching]=20 Clueless Newbie

The = other night=20 there was a quick news item on Tucson TV about "geocaching". I didn't = really=20 catch what the story was about but I was online and checked out the = GeoCaching=20 site. Inputted my zip code and a couple caches came up, and I'm pretty = sure I=20 know where a couple are as they're about a mile away from my=20 home.

Bought a GPS=20 yesterday. Used the excuse I can always give it to my son. Trying = to=20 learn to use it! Will go cache hunting later today or over the = weekend.=20

Looks like I=20 joined in the middle of a controversy. Is there an online link to that = Republic story?

-- Joanna,=20 Clueless in Tucson, aka WingRider, not team anything since I don't = know anyone=20 (yet)

= ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C23FB8.694BE8B0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 22:23:22 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Mark Heitowit) Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 15:23:22 -0700 Subject: [[Az-Geocaching] Take a moment to offer your thoughts] Message-ID: <20020809222322.589.qmail@cmsweb26.cms.usa.net> Larry, Our thoughts and prayers are with you and your family. Mark, Jane, Shaun & Drew Magical Memories Bob Renner wrote: > All, > > I just received the following email from Larry. Take > a few moments to say a prayer, or whatever you do, for > one of the nicest people I've met. > > Larry, I hope everything works out for the best. My > thoughts and those of my family will be with you. > > Bob Renner and family. > > > --- "Farquhar, Larry" wrote: > > > > Bob; > > > > My mother is terminally ill and I just got word they > > expect less than 24 > > hours for her. I won't make it today geocaching - > > hope you get this soon. > > We're immediately heading out of state. > > > > Larry > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 22:25:16 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jim Scotti) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:25:16 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] newbies and archeaological site In-Reply-To: <000a01c23fe6$404f1df0$5c4fe99f@sc.co.pima.az.us> Message-ID: Hey, it looks like both our recent newcomers are from Tucson. We don't have as many caches down here as up in Phoenix, but there's sure enough and enough variety to get you addicted! Welcome aboard both Team Gizmo and WingRider! You can probably find a couple of my caches without a GPS if you're careful. The descriptions given in some of their pages could get you there - for example, my Bear Down NGS (Teddy Bear Cache, by FroBro Goose is another Tucson area cache that you could probably do without a GPS...). Watching the footage click down, as Scott says, is fun, though, and in most cases, having the GPS tell you that you are within 20 feet is almost necessary unless you are very good with a map and compass. See you on the trails! Jim (Team Scotti). On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Richard Pinnell wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I read the article about geocaching on the AZ Republic website. I did > seem one sided to me. However, I had never heard of geocaching prior to > this article. I checked out the geocaching website and am purchasing a > GPS unit next week. Thanks to that article, the sport has 2 new members. > This sounds like so much fun to my wife and I. We will probably try to > do one of the easier ones in Tucson this weekend without the GPS. > > Let me assure you all that we will never destroy or vandalize. We are > both native Tucsonans and we very much value our natural resources. > > Team Gizmo > Jim Scotti Lunar & Planetary Laboratory jscotti@pirl.lpl.arizona.edu University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 USA http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 22:29:33 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jim Scotti) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:29:33 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Clueless Newbie In-Reply-To: <000f01c23ff3$15aac0b0$0200a8c0@laptop7500> Message-ID: You know, a webpage with a tutorial on using the various mapping and GPS related programs would be a wonderful thing to have. Maybe I'm forgetting just such a page. I'm tempted to whip up a page of tips and tricks specifically for geocaching. Things like downloading waypoints and working with them..... Anyone know of just such a site before I invest some time of my own??? Jim. On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Justin Sever wrote: > I bought my first GPS 2 months ago when I was forwarded the geocaching > website. It looked like a lot of fun, and I thought I would give it a > try. I went out and bought a GPS and went and found my first geocache. > When I first started I couldn't enter any waypoints into my original GPS > (eTrek) without the computer cable connection. I bought the connection > and once I had the waypoints in, geocaching turned into a whole new > ballgame! It was even better than before! Within 1 month of buying > my original GPS, I returned it and upgraded to a more advanced model > (eMap). Needless to say I'm hooked. It has been about 2 months for > me now, and I have found over 120 caches throughout the state as well as > several in California. I wish you the best of luck, and highly > recommend inputting waypoints in your GPS or getting the cable to to do > so from your computer if you can't do it manually. Jim Scotti Lunar & Planetary Laboratory jscotti@pirl.lpl.arizona.edu University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 USA http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 22:59:48 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bob Renner) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:59:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Clueless Newbie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020809225948.70686.qmail@web9008.mail.yahoo.com> If this web site doesn't have what you're looking for, it doesnt exist http://joe.mehaffey.com/ Bob --- Jim Scotti wrote: > You know, a webpage with a tutorial on using the > various mapping and GPS > related programs would be a wonderful thing to have. > Maybe I'm forgetting > just such a page. I'm tempted to whip up a page of > tips and tricks > specifically for geocaching. Things like > downloading waypoints and working > with them..... Anyone know of just such a site > before I invest some time of > my own??? > > Jim. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 23:02:36 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bob Renner) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:02:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Clueless Newbie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020809230236.47298.qmail@web9009.mail.yahoo.com> Jim, If this web site doesn't have what you're looking for, it doesn't exist - http://joe.mehaffey.com/ Bob --- Jim Scotti wrote: > You know, a webpage with a tutorial on using the > various mapping and GPS > related programs would be a wonderful thing to have. > Maybe I'm forgetting > just such a page. I'm tempted to whip up a page of > tips and tricks > specifically for geocaching. Things like > downloading waypoints and working > with them..... Anyone know of just such a site > before I invest some time of > my own??? > > Jim. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 23:06:22 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gordon L. Flatt) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:06:22 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Congrats & Invitation to Phoenix In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020809094312.00a65630@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C23FBE.B44F57B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott, I'm replying because I agree with you! I put my caches out to be found by anyone that wishes to try and locate them. If one comes up missing, it certainly won't be the first cache to have been taken, let alone be the last! Guess this would be a good place to put a plug in for my "FREE" Ammo Can Cache! LOL Anyway, I did have that one as MO but have since changed it. By the way, no one has taken the first ammo can, so I guess everyone has all the cans they need! Gordon Team Coyote1022 -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Scott Wood Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 10:01 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Congrats & Invitation to Phoenix At 12:32 PM 8/9/2002 -0400, you wrote: We will be changing our caches back to normal after the weekend. With all the bad publicity, we thought it best to make them members only as a temporary basis. Some of our caches are very delicate or specialized and would be hard to replace if someone chose to destroy or remove them. Hope this isn't too great of an inconvenience. Let me ask a question. What exactly does this accomplish? If you are concerned that a horde on new geocachers will damage your cache, then what would be the difference if that same horde of new geocachers find it the second week after the bad article? If you are only planning on keeping them member's only for one weekend, aren't you just delaying what you must consider the inevitable? If you are concerned that a horde of land managers are going to be out this weekend and removing caches, what will prevent them from waiting a week and doing it after they have been moved back to being normal caches? Somehow I just see this as wrong. What is the goal of hiding a cache? Is it to provide something for others to find, or is it to help our own egos? If someone chooses to destroy or remove our caches, they are going to do it. If not this weekend, then perhaps next weekend, or the weekend after that, or... I posted a message about this yesterday and only received 2 replies, either people don't want to talk about this issue, or I am the only one that feels we are looking very snobbish to new geocachers by trying to hide our caches from them? We welcome the new folks who signed up to this list because of the Republic article, but we don't seem to want them to find our caches until after this weekend. I just don't get it. I will get off my soadbox now, but I really think that those teams that have made their caches member's only should really consider changing them back. If an item is so delicate or specialized that it can't be replaced, perhaps it shouldn't have been used as a geocache. Just $0.02 more. In liberty, Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C23FBE.B44F57B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Scott,

I'm replying because I agree with you! I = put my=20 caches out to be found by anyone that wishes to try and locate = them. If=20 one comes up missing, it certainly won't be the first cache to have been = taken,=20 let alone be the last! Guess this would be a good place to put a = plug in=20 for my "FREE" Ammo Can Cache! LOL

Anyway, I did have that one as MO but have = since=20 changed it. By the way, no one has taken the first ammo can, so I = guess=20 everyone has all the cans they need!

Gordon

Team=20 Coyote1022

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of=20 Scott Wood
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 10:01 = AM
To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = Congrats=20 & Invitation to Phoenix

At 12:32 PM 8/9/2002 = -0400,=20 you wrote:

We = will be changing=20 our caches back to normal after the weekend. With all the bad = publicity, we=20 thought it best to make them members only as a temporary basis. Some = of our=20 caches are very delicate or specialized and would be hard to replace = if=20 someone chose to destroy or remove them. Hope this isn't too great = of an=20 inconvenience.

Let me ask a question. What = exactly does=20 this accomplish?

If you are concerned that a horde on new = geocachers=20 will damage your cache, then what would be the difference if that same = horde=20 of new geocachers find it the second week after the bad article? = If you=20 are only planning on keeping them member's only for one weekend, = aren't you=20 just delaying what you must consider the inevitable? If you are=20 concerned that a horde of land managers are going to be out this = weekend and=20 removing caches, what will prevent them from waiting a week and doing = it after=20 they have been moved back to being normal caches?

Somehow I = just see=20 this as wrong. What is the goal of hiding a cache? Is it = to=20 provide something for others to find, or is it to help our own = egos? If=20 someone chooses to destroy or remove our caches, they are going to do=20 it. If not this weekend, then perhaps next weekend, or the = weekend after=20 that, or...

I posted a message about this yesterday and only = received 2=20 replies, either people don't want to talk about this issue, or I am = the only=20 one that feels we are looking very snobbish to new geocachers by = trying to=20 hide our caches from them? We welcome the new folks who signed = up to=20 this list because of the Republic article, but we don't seem to want = them to=20 find our caches until after this weekend. I just don't get = it.

I=20 will get off my soadbox now, but I really think that those teams that = have=20 made their caches member's only should really consider changing them=20 back. If an item is so delicate or specialized that it can't be=20 replaced, perhaps it shouldn't have been used as a = geocache.

Just $0.02=20 more.

In liberty,

Scott

wood@myblueheaven.com

www.myblueheaven.com

------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C23FBE.B44F57B0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 23:06:27 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jim Scotti) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:06:27 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Clueless Newbie In-Reply-To: <20020809225948.70686.qmail@web9008.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Bob, Yeah, I know Joe Mehaffey's website and it's outstanding, but I don't think he has a page devoted to some of the ins and outs of using a GPS for geocaching..... I agree, though, if he doesn't have it or a link to it, it probably doesn't exist. Jim. On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Bob Renner wrote: > If this web site doesn't have what you're looking for, > it doesnt exist http://joe.mehaffey.com/ > > Bob > > --- Jim Scotti > wrote: > > You know, a webpage with a tutorial on using the > > various mapping and GPS > > related programs would be a wonderful thing to have. > > Maybe I'm forgetting > > just such a page. I'm tempted to whip up a page of > > tips and tricks > > specifically for geocaching. Things like > > downloading waypoints and working > > with them..... Anyone know of just such a site > > before I invest some time of > > my own??? > > > > Jim. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > Jim Scotti Lunar & Planetary Laboratory jscotti@pirl.lpl.arizona.edu University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 USA http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 23:18:11 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Eric Quinn) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:18:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Take a moment to offer your thoughts In-Reply-To: <004701c23ff2$5099fde0$0400a8c0@one> Message-ID: <20020809231811.56449.qmail@web13103.mail.yahoo.com> I'm really sorry to hear that. Best wishes in this difficult time. Eric TD __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 23:21:43 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Eric Quinn) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:21:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Congrats & Invitation to Phoenix In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020809232143.46925.qmail@web13106.mail.yahoo.com> --- "Gordon L. Flatt" wrote: > so I guess everyone has all the cans they need! > > Gordon > Team Coyote1022 Is there such a thing has having enough ammo cans? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 23:27:52 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gordon L. Flatt) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:27:52 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Congrats & Invitation to Phoenix In-Reply-To: <20020809232143.46925.qmail@web13106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Apparently!! I hid this cache on 7/25 and it's only had two visits and neither Larry or Loran needed an ammo can. :-( Maybe I'll set of a stand on the corner and start selling them! LOL Gordon :-) -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Eric Quinn Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 4:22 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Congrats & Invitation to Phoenix --- "Gordon L. Flatt" wrote: > so I guess everyone has all the cans they need! > > Gordon > Team Coyote1022 Is there such a thing has having enough ammo cans? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 23:26:07 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 16:26:07 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Congrats & Invitation to Phoenix In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020809094312.00a65630@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020809162335.00a868a0@mail.myblueheaven.com> --=====================_25795236==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:06 PM 8/9/2002 -0700, you wrote: > Anyway, I did have that one as MO but have since changed it. By the > way, no one has taken the first ammo can, so I guess everyone has all the > cans they need! As I said in a previous message, I haven't hidden a MO cache, but I have adopted one. Infact, it was the first MO cache ever in Arizona. The only reason that I will keep it MO is that the original owner asked me to, and I will follow his wishes. I don't have any plans for other MO caches. As for the ammo cans, I just picked up 12 almost new cans a couple months ago. I use them a lot of different things, but thanks to the cache that I hid last night, I am down to only having 11 of them. :-) Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache --=====================_25795236==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 04:06 PM 8/9/2002 -0700, you wrote:

Anyway, I did have that one as MO but have since changed it. By the way, no one has taken the first ammo can, so I guess everyone has all the cans they need!

As I said in a previous message, I haven't hidden a MO cache, but I have adopted one. Infact, it was the first MO cache ever in Arizona. The only reason that I will keep it MO is that the original owner asked me to, and I will follow his wishes. I don't have any plans for other MO caches.

As for the ammo cans, I just picked up 12 almost new cans a couple months ago. I use them a lot of different things, but thanks to the cache that I hid last night, I am down to only having 11 of them. :-)

Scott

Team My Blue Heaven

www.myblueheaven.com/geocache

--=====================_25795236==_.ALT-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 23:53:46 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Joe Brekke) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:53:46 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another New List Member Message-ID: <005601c24000$008fd8c0$5a32a8c0@default> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C23FC5.53924FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone, please let me introduce ourselves, though we have met a few = of you out there...We are TeamBlunder...Joe, my son Brad who is 10, and = my other son Erik who is 18 months...he rides to most of the caches = that we have done on my back in a baby backpack. I've known of this site for some time, and have occasionally looked on = here at the stats, and come in to get info on Team Snaptek's = sites...however I didn't realize that this mailing list was on the site. I joined the list just after the article in the Republic, (Thank = goodness we get the East Valley Tribune here), and have watched the = posts for a few days just getting a feel for the site and "listening" to = all of the comments...most of which I agree with - a few that I don't. I am greatly impressed with the way all of you express your ideas and = beliefs, however. I too was very surprised and saddened by the content of the article and = the accusations that it made. I remain convinced that the damage was = not caused by Geocachers. I was convinced of this fact well before = reading the descriptions from those who hid and found the caches. =20 Anyway, the purpose of this post was not to re-hash much of what has = already been said, but was meant to introduce the members of TeamBlunder = to those on this list. =20 My boys and I have had such a good time searching for and finding the = caches that you have all hidden. This activity is family time that we = spend together. My wife is a Registered Nurse, and works 12 hour night = shifts every other weekend (that's our way of keeping our kids out of = daycare) and 1 - 12 hour night shift during the week. So the men of the = house get out and do our weekend Geocaching so our lovely Bride and = Mother can get some much needed rest. We are new to Arizona and the Valley and this activity has been great in = learning how to get around, finding out what the Valley has to offer, = learning historical things about the state, getting off the couch seeing = some marvelously beautiful country, and most important of all, spending = time with my two boys doing someting we all like...you should see Erik's = face light up when I bring the Baby Backpack out...he just loves it. I hope to run into more of the community out there in our travels, and = to learn from the discussions here. I hope you all have a great weekend = of caching. Joe TeamBlunder ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C23FC5.53924FC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi everyone, please let me introduce = ourselves,=20 though we have met a few of you out there...We are = TeamBlunder...Joe, my=20 son Brad who is 10, and my other son Erik who is 18 = months...he rides=20 to most of the caches that we have done on my back in a baby=20 backpack.

I've known of this site for some time, = and have=20 occasionally looked on here at the stats, and come in to get info on = Team=20 Snaptek's sites...however I didn't realize that this mailing list was on = the=20 site.

I joined the list just after the = article in the=20 Republic, (Thank goodness we get the East Valley Tribune here), and have = watched=20 the posts for a few days just getting a feel for the site and = "listening" to all=20 of the comments...most of which I agree with - a few that I = don't.

I am greatly impressed with the way all = of you=20 express your ideas and beliefs, however.

I too was very surprised and saddened = by the=20 content of the article and the accusations that it made. I=20 remain convinced that the damage was not caused by = Geocachers. I was=20 convinced of this fact well before reading the descriptions from those = who hid=20 and found the caches.

Anyway, the purpose of this post was = not to re-hash=20 much of what has already been said, but was meant to introduce the = members of=20 TeamBlunder to those on this list.

My boys and I have had such a good time = searching=20 for and finding the caches that you have all hidden. This activity = is=20 family time that we spend together. My wife is a Registered Nurse, = and=20 works 12 hour night shifts every other weekend (that's our way of = keeping our=20 kids out of daycare) and 1 - 12 hour night shift during the week. = So the=20 men of the house get out and do our weekend Geocaching so our lovely = Bride and=20 Mother can get some much needed rest.

We are new to Arizona and the Valley = and this=20 activity has been great in learning how to get around, finding out what = the=20 Valley has to offer, learning historical things about the state, getting = off the=20 couch seeing some marvelously beautiful country, and most important of = all,=20 spending time with my two boys doing someting we all like...you should = see=20 Erik's face light up when I bring the Baby Backpack out...he just loves=20 it.

I hope to run into more of the = community out there=20 in our travels, and to learn from the discussions here. I hope you = all=20 have a great weekend of caching.

Joe

TeamBlunder

------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C23FC5.53924FC0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 9 23:56:39 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Joe Brekke) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:56:39 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Take a moment to offer your thoughts References: <20020809212404.30477.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006201c24000$67a772c0$5a32a8c0@default> Larry, Our thoughts and prayers are with you and all lf your family. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Renner" To: Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 2:24 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Take a moment to offer your thoughts > All, > > I just received the following email from Larry. Take > a few moments to say a prayer, or whatever you do, for > one of the nicest people I've met. > > Larry, I hope everything works out for the best. My > thoughts and those of my family will be with you. > > Bob Renner and family. > > > --- "Farquhar, Larry" wrote: > > > > Bob; > > > > My mother is terminally ill and I just got word they > > expect less than 24 > > hours for her. I won't make it today geocaching - > > hope you get this soon. > > We're immediately heading out of state. > > > > Larry > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 10 00:02:09 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (howard campbell) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 17:02:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] PRAYERS Message-ID: <20020810000209.40408.qmail@web20420.mail.yahoo.com> --0-2097640541-1028937729=:39663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Team Arrowhead Are thoughts and prayers are with you at this time.I just lost my Dad in June. Howard & Gina --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs, a Yahoo! service - Search Thousands of New Jobs --0-2097640541-1028937729=:39663 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Team Arrowhead

Are thoughts and prayers are with you at this time.I just lost my Dad in June.

Howard & Gina

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HotJobs, a Yahoo! service - Search Thousands of New Jobs --0-2097640541-1028937729=:39663-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 10 00:14:33 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Joanna Strohn) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 17:14:33 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Clueless Newbie In-Reply-To: <20020809230236.47298.qmail@web9009.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00b701c24002$e72fffb0$c58efea9@p550> Many thanks for the warm welcome. With the thunderboomers hovering over the park that was going to be my first exploration, I think I'll have to put off my first search effort. I've been doing some looking around on the web, but there really isn't that much there for the completely clueless newbie. For example, what kind of goodies does one leave? I make hand-dyed scarves, for example. Would these be a good goodie? I haven't found anyplace that has photos of caches. I read about Tupperware, but I have no clue how they may be hidden. Or not hidden. Do I have to climb trees? Wade swamps? Do a dance and chant? Turn my dogs into retrievers? I got my GPS at Wal-Mart. I know they don't have any PC cables there (I looked). Any other place in Tucson that might have cables? Or does one have to order online for anything other than the basic units? What about paper maps? And what about mapping software? When I need a map I go to one of the online sites so I don't have anything that is new. Recommendations? -- Joanna, Clueless in Tucson, aka WingRider From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 10 00:36:25 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 17:36:25 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Clueless Newbie In-Reply-To: <00b701c24002$e72fffb0$c58efea9@p550> References: <20020809230236.47298.qmail@web9009.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020809172608.00a867f0@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 05:14 PM 8/9/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Many thanks for the warm welcome. With the thunderboomers hovering over the >park that was going to be my first exploration, I think I'll have to put off >my first search effort. Yeah, it is looking pretty dark out there this afternoon. >I've been doing some looking around on the web, but there really isn't that >much there for the completely clueless newbie. For example, what kind of >goodies does one leave? I make hand-dyed scarves, for example. Would these >be a good goodie? You can leave just about anything you want. I have left everything from hot wheel cars to baseball cards. Within a week, we should have our new "Team My Blue Heaven" custom signature items, but you don't have to do anything like that, and that is another story. Hand made things are really nice in caches. We found some small stained glass in a cache in California that we really liked. I really like finding "signature" items at a cache. I have one of Team Sand Dollars sand dollars on my desk at home. Just use your imagination, there is no really wrong answer. >I haven't found anyplace that has photos of caches. I read about Tupperware, >but I have no clue how they may be hidden. Or not hidden. Do I have to climb >trees? Wade swamps? Do a dance and chant? Turn my dogs into retrievers? There is no real answer to that. Caches can be just about anything from Altoid cans to ammo cans. We have found some that you have to look up for, some you have to look under things for, and one that you have to take an elevator to. I haven't had to dance or chant yet, and my dog is already a Golden Retriever. :-) At 14 years old though, he is a little too old to geocache with us. :-( >I got my GPS at Wal-Mart. I know they don't have any PC cables there (I >looked). Any other place in Tucson that might have cables? Or does one have >to order online for anything other than the basic units? What about paper >maps? And what about mapping software? When I need a map I go to one of the >online sites so I don't have anything that is new. Recommendations? Depends on what model you got. We found a good share of our caches long before I ever bought a data cable. I just entered them by hand. As for software, I am a big fan of a program called ExpertGPS. You can find it at www.expertgps.com. For road/street mapping I use Microsoft Mappoint. It seems to work very well. The online map sites also work very well, and have used them in the past with no trouble. Best suggestion I can make is get out and look for a cache or two. Once you have a few finds, you will start to get the feel for the game, and I suspect that you will have a lot of fun. In liberty, Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 10 01:38:07 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 21:38:07 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Clueless Newbie Message-ID: On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 17:14:33 -0700 Joanna Strohn wrote: > Many thanks for the warm welcome. With the > thunderboomers hovering over the > park that was going to be my first exploration, > I think I'll have to put off > my first search effort. > Don't worry there are cacher's in the rain > I've been doing some looking around on the web, > but there really isn't that > much there for the completely clueless newbie. > For example, what kind of > goodies does one leave? the best Item to leave is one equal to the value of what you take, my rule... most items can be bought at the dime store, then after a few caches just start moving the items around.. I make hand-dyed scarves, for example. Would these be a good goodie? YES > I haven't found anyplace that has photos of > caches. I read about Tupperware, > but I have no clue how they may be hidden. under rocks, under branches, under bushes most cache containers are placed in an area that fits them Urban caches are Altoids for the most part country caches are Ammo Cans or Tupperware like the site states not expensive... Do I have to climb trees? none that I am aware of but there are caches in trees Wade swamps? in ARIZONA Do a dance and chant? only when the bateries run low Turn my dogs into retrievers? no but can make good caching companions > > I got my GPS at Wal-Mart. I know they don't > have any PC cables there (I looked). Any other place in Tucson that might have cables? Any Maps n More store or REI What about paper maps? And what about mapping software? I use Delorme works well with my Magellan 315 from Target When I need a map I go to one of the online sites so I don't have anything that is new. Recommendations? > > -- Joanna, Clueless in Tucson, aka WingRider Don't worry about being Clueless there are caches that will make even the pro's feel like a deaf bat and an offer if you ever get to the Valley of the Sun I/We will go caching with ya.. Team Evil Fish From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 10 01:45:50 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Andrew Ayre) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:45:50 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Clueless Newbie In-Reply-To: <00b701c24002$e72fffb0$c58efea9@p550> Message-ID: Hi Joanna, If you bought a Garmin GPS then you can get cables at Tucson Map and Flag (or is it Tucson Flag and Map?). I don't think they sell Magellan cables. I also bought a copy of Maptech's Terrain Navigator there which is great! The whole of Arizona and New Mexico on around 22 CDs. You can go to www.maptech.com and download a demo. Have fun! Andy -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Joanna Strohn Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 5:15 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Clueless Newbie Many thanks for the warm welcome. With the thunderboomers hovering over the park that was going to be my first exploration, I think I'll have to put off my first search effort. I've been doing some looking around on the web, but there really isn't that much there for the completely clueless newbie. For example, what kind of goodies does one leave? I make hand-dyed scarves, for example. Would these be a good goodie? I haven't found anyplace that has photos of caches. I read about Tupperware, but I have no clue how they may be hidden. Or not hidden. Do I have to climb trees? Wade swamps? Do a dance and chant? Turn my dogs into retrievers? I got my GPS at Wal-Mart. I know they don't have any PC cables there (I looked). Any other place in Tucson that might have cables? Or does one have to order online for anything other than the basic units? What about paper maps? And what about mapping software? When I need a map I go to one of the online sites so I don't have anything that is new. Recommendations? -- Joanna, Clueless in Tucson, aka WingRider _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 10 02:00:34 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Eric Quinn) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 19:00:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another New List Member In-Reply-To: <005601c24000$008fd8c0$5a32a8c0@default> Message-ID: <20020810020034.4368.qmail@web13108.mail.yahoo.com> Welcome! You've chosen an appropriate name for what my family does when we are hunting. --- Joe Brekke wrote: > "listening" to all of the comments...most of which I > agree with - a few that I don't. Glad to hear. This would be a mighty boring list if we all agreed on everything. > We are new to Arizona and the Valley and this > activity has been great in learning how to get > around... Ah yes, you will soon be able to find any location in the valley as long as someone says which cache to start off at and gives directions from there. Eric Team Dragon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 10 02:33:01 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 22:33:01 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Members Only Caches Message-ID: Not that I am proud of this fact but this bothers me greatly... Why change a Cache MID-Game or even temporary??? Yes Roadrunners you make a good point about becoming a Charter Member Now I will put in my 0.02 cents in as well, at > the risk of offending someone: I encourage > those of us who participate in the sport on a > regular basis to support the geocache website > by forking our a few bucks and joining as a > member. This does not mean I think all or even > any caches should be members only. I just get > so much enjoyment from the sport that I want to > do my part to make sure the website continues > to exist, because without it, there would be no > geocaching. and if I had the means Team Evil Fish would sign in a heartbeat, but to change the status of a cache from open to Members only hurts like the bumper sticker I read Found the cheese Maze Changed These words sum up some feelings > Team My Blue Heaven > We are not trying to hide our caches from new > cachers or land managers. We welcome new > cachers to the sport and our caches are in > public places accesible by all. The thought was > that some people who read the article might > think caching itself is a bad sport and there > are people who would seek caches to destroy > them just to be hateful. I think this is fresh > in the minds of people right now and the time > is more likely to be now rather than later for > this to occur. As the article pointed out, > there are vandals out there who seek to destroy > and have no respect for others or historical > artifacts. Perhaps we are being overly > sensitive, but I think everyone is a little on > edge this week and feeling defensive after > being wrongly accused in a public forum. > > The caches are not so fragile that cachers > cannot handle them, but some of them required > some time consuming construction on our part > and even ordering of some parts from an outside > source. These could be replaced eventually, but > not by just buying another tupperwear > container. > Now some of the reasons I feel this way...not that I want to make them public, but I am Very under employed and after the loss of my Mother, Neice, Good Friend, and lastly a Great Job I was Very Depressed, Even with the Help of my Uncle left the country didn't help. Then I started GeoCaching a couple of months ago it was from reading about it on a Scuba website WWW.SCUBABOARD.COM, an expensive hobby that I can rarely now enloy. I have owned a GPS since 1994 and always wanted to do something more productive with it besides marking a great camping spot..Now I could do three things: spend productive time with my son get out of the house and use my newest GPS(Magellan 315 bought 1999). My feelings about Geocaching range from what a waste of gas to an almost spiritual one. Funds are very tight with me so I choose careful the Caches we find, then after the power surge from Sunday lost my Computer's main HD, have been unable to update my list until today. Yeah we have been to most of the caches that have been switched to Members Only, infact today went to two more, can't log em.. Would I have uploaded the waypoint for cache in the first place knowing that when we did find it we couldn't log it, or even drop off the Travel bugs in a cache that we couldn't then notify anyone else of its placement???? I have had the thought of driving back to the caches and removing our name and TB's, as this is a sad ending to a great caching day for my son. HOW can a great game remain so if the rules change MID WAY through??? Just like President Bush stated after Sept 11, Keep living your life the SAME WAY, but be alert...Changing your normal life is what the Terrorist want... Team Evil Fish The Fish half From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 10 03:15:01 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 20:15:01 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Members Only Caches In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020809201110.028394a0@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 10:33 PM 8/9/2002 -0400, you wrote: I am very sorry to hear that things have not been going well for you. >I have had the thought of driving back to the caches and removing our name and >TB's, as this is a sad ending to a great caching day for my son. While I am pretty much the person who started this whole mess about MO caches, I would never want to see anyone go back out and remove their log entries. It is a shame about the travel bugs, but with any luck the caches will be back to "normal" so that you can log them and drop off the bugs. Hopefully the bugs won't be grabbed and logged before you get a chance. Your logs are part of the history of the cache, and I feel that it is important to keep that history intact. Infact, the fact that a number of caches have been made MO are part of the history, and I hope that the cache owners are making info notes to the caches to reflect it, much as we did with our caches during the forest closures. >HOW can a great game remain so if the rules change MID WAY through??? Just >like President Bush stated after Sept 11, Keep living your life the SAME WAY, >but be alert...Changing your normal life is what the Terrorist want... I couldn't have said it better myself. Thanks. Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 10 03:33:34 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 20:33:34 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Random Notes Message-ID: <006d01c2401e$b51f2930$026fa8c0@OUR> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006E_01C23FE4.08C05130 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian says that more people have been visiting the azgeocaching web site and list server as a result of this most recent article than as a result of the more favorable stories we've had in the past. It shows, I guess, that there is no such thing as bad publicity. I'd like to extend my welcome to all the Neocachers, as well as those who have been around awhile but are new to the list. A special welcome to Joe of Team Blunder. Judi and I had the pleasure of meeting him and his sons at a cache a while back. In case some of the newcomers haven't seen it, there's a camping "event cache" over Labor Day weekend: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=31456. If you can make it, even for the day, it will be an opportunity to meet some of the "residents" here. Another forthcoming evening, not an event cache, is a group going to a D-backs game on August 20. Details here: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/pipermail/az-geocaching/2002-August/003 852.html. One post here mentioned caches in Tucson you could find without a GPS. Jim Scotti mentioned a couple, but he left out his own "Softball" cache: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=15874. On a Sunday morning, at least, you shouldn't need a GPS. One more thing for those just getting in to this: Next time you're on the geocaching.com web site, click on the button on the left that says, "Discuss Geocaching" and head for the forum labeled "Getting Started". You can search there for all the stuff you're reluctant to ask about, and if you can't find the answer you're looking for, feel free to post your question there. That's why it exists. Check out the other forums while you're in the neighborhood, too. I once referred to this list as an "electronic treehouse", and sometimes we play here as though that's exactly what it is. But treehouses often have "Keep Out" signs on them, and we don't do that here. In that sense, it's more like a radio station: you never know who's listening. You may be certain, though, that there are more people here than you know about. Try to remember that every time you're about to hit the "send" button. Lastly, to Larry, Connie, and your family, whether you see this or not, all our thoughts and prayers and wishes are with and for you all. Steve Team Tierra Buena ------=_NextPart_000_006E_01C23FE4.08C05130 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

Brian = says that=20 more people have been visiting the azgeocaching web site and list server = as a=20 result of this most recent article than as a result of the more = favorable=20 stories we've had in the past. It shows, I guess, that there is no such = thing as=20 bad publicity.

I'd = like to extend=20 my welcome to all the Neocachers, as well as those who have been around = awhile=20 but are new to the list. A special welcome to Joe of Team Blunder. Judi = and I=20 had the pleasure of meeting him and his sons at a cache a while=20 back.

In = case some of=20 the newcomers haven't seen it, there's a camping "event cache" over = Labor=20 Day weekend: http= ://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=3D31456.=20 If you can make it, even for the day, it will be an opportunity to meet = some of=20 the "residents" here. Another forthcoming evening, not an event = cache, is=20 a group going to a D-backs game on August 20. Details here: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/pipermail/az-geocaching= /2002-August/003852.html.

One = post here=20 mentioned caches in Tucson you could find without a GPS. Jim Scotti = mentioned a couple, but he left out his own "Softball" cache: = http= ://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=3D15874. =20 On a Sunday morning, at least, you shouldn't need a GPS.=20

One = more thing for=20 those just getting in to this: Next time you're on the geocaching.com = web site,=20 click on the button on the left that says, "Discuss Geocaching" and head = for the=20 forum labeled "Getting Started". You can search there for all the stuff = you're=20 reluctant to ask about, and if you can't find the answer you're looking = for,=20 feel free to post your question there. That's why it exists. Check out = the other=20 forums while you're in the neighborhood, too.

I once = referred to=20 this list as an "electronic treehouse", and sometimes we play here as = though=20 that's exactly what it is. But treehouses often have "Keep Out" signs on = them,=20 and we don't do that here. In that sense, it's more like a = radio=20 station: you never know who's listening. You may be certain, = though, that=20 there are more people here than you know about. Try to remember that = every time=20 you're about to hit the "send" button.

Lastly, to Larry,=20 Connie, and your family, whether you see this or not, all our thoughts = and=20 prayers and wishes are with and for you all.

Steve

Team = Tierra=20 Buena

------=_NextPart_000_006E_01C23FE4.08C05130-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 10 05:50:14 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jamie & Rosemary Berry) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 22:50:14 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Take a moment to offer your thoughts References: <20020809212404.30477.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000701c24031$cde04f40$3f51530c@berryjhome> Larry, So sorry to hear about your mother. Our thoughts and prayers are with you and your family. Jamie & Rosemary (Team BerrydTreasures) From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 10 05:42:58 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (teamcbx2) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 22:42:58 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Take a moment to offer your thoughts In-Reply-To: <006201c24000$67a772c0$5a32a8c0@default> Message-ID: Larry, Our prayers go with you and your family. We send our strenght with you. Cody & Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Joe Brekke Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 4:57 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Take a moment to offer your thoughts Larry, Our thoughts and prayers are with you and all lf your family. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Renner" To: Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 2:24 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Take a moment to offer your thoughts > All, > > I just received the following email from Larry. Take > a few moments to say a prayer, or whatever you do, for > one of the nicest people I've met. > > Larry, I hope everything works out for the best. My > thoughts and those of my family will be with you. > > Bob Renner and family. > > > --- "Farquhar, Larry" wrote: > > > > Bob; > > > > My mother is terminally ill and I just got word they > > expect less than 24 > > hours for her. I won't make it today geocaching - > > hope you get this soon. > > We're immediately heading out of state. > > > > Larry > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 10 07:07:30 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jim Scotti) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 00:07:30 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Clueless Newbie In-Reply-To: <00b701c24002$e72fffb0$c58efea9@p550> Message-ID: On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Joanna Strohn wrote: > Many thanks for the warm welcome. With the thunderboomers hovering over the > park that was going to be my first exploration, I think I'll have to put off > my first search effort. Yeah, it made lots of racket, but didn't drop much rain, at least on our part of town. > I've been doing some looking around on the web, but there really isn't that > much there for the completely clueless newbie. For example, what kind of > goodies does one leave? I make hand-dyed scarves, for example. Would these > be a good goodie? I've seen so many different types of items in geocaches, that I think you can use pretty much anything that will fit in a cache. I've used keychains (my favorite is a combo whistle, magnifier, compass, thermometer keychain), eyeglass repair kits, model rockets (I always loved the Estes Mosquito rockets), and golf balls amongst other things. I've seen all sorts of things in caches, from buttons and stickers to computer video cards. One thing I wouldn't recommend that I have seen are bic lighters. One of my caches even had a Playboy magazine dropped off by a team that will remain nameless in it before Team Wyle visited it and removed the rather inappropriate item (imagine if a 10 year old with his pop had been the visitor instead). Sounds like your hand-dyed scarves would be a great item to trade! As soon as you find a couple geocaches, you'll get a really good idea of what the common types of things you'll find are. > I haven't found anyplace that has photos of caches. I read about > Tupperware, but I have no clue how they may be hidden. Or not hidden. Do > I have to climb trees? Wade swamps? Do a dance and chant? Turn my dogs > into retrievers? Skim the cache logs and you'll run into some pictures soon enough that may include the cache itself. Most often, you'll find the container buried in some rocks or hidden in the base of a tree. Really, there is a lot of variety - almost as much as there are caches hidden! > I got my GPS at Wal-Mart. I know they don't have any PC cables there (I > looked). Any other place in Tucson that might have cables? Or does one > have to order online for anything other than the basic units? What about > paper maps? And what about mapping software? When I need a map I go to > one of the online sites so I don't have anything that is new. > Recommendations? You can find PC cables for most GPS units at Summit Hut, Popular or even at Best Buy. You can order them online if you can't find them locally. I've seen the Garmin cables and other accessories at all 3 places I just mentioned, though the first two I think are better stocked and can answer your questions a little better if need be. Check out the Arizona Geological Society bookstore downtown (URL: http://www.azgs.state.az.us/ and they are located at 416 W. Congress, Suite 100 - in the Arizona State gov't building. They have fre short term parking in the lot on the West side of the building and the bookstore has lots of geology books and a full stock of Arizona USGS maps and other maps - cheaper, I noticed, than Tucson Map and Flag!). I've been using Delorme Topo 3.0 and Street Atlas 9.0 for maps and routing, and with my Garmin Legend, the Mapsource programs for downloading maps into my unit is essential. EasyGPS works well with the Snaptek site for importing waypoints into my Garmin too. The links on the cache webpages to Topo Zone are a great start when trying to plan a route to a cache, but I've noticed that the map datums do not match reality perfectly (I think the topos use NAD27 and geocaching.com uses WGS-84). Jim. Jim Scotti Lunar & Planetary Laboratory jscotti@pirl.lpl.arizona.edu University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 USA http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 10 07:23:03 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jim Scotti) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 00:23:03 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Random Notes In-Reply-To: <006d01c2401e$b51f2930$026fa8c0@OUR> Message-ID: On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Team Tierra Buena wrote: > One post here mentioned caches in Tucson you could find without a GPS. > Jim Scotti mentioned a couple, but he left out his own "Softball" cache: > http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=15874. On a Sunday > morning, at least, you shouldn't need a GPS. Of course - I didn't think of that one of my own, but then I wasn't trying to make a comprehensive list of caches you can find without a GPS.... BTW, we're planning to be out there as usual this Sunday morning, so bring your gloves and cleats! BTW, the cache bag even has a travel bug in it for the next live visitor(s)! > Lastly, to Larry, Connie, and your family, whether you see this or not, > all our thoughts and prayers and wishes are with and for you all. Ditto! I hope everything works out as well as can be expected for our Yellow Jeep friends and their family.... Jim. Team Scotti Jim Scotti Lunar & Planetary Laboratory jscotti@pirl.lpl.arizona.edu University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 USA http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 10 14:25:13 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (WOLFB8) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 07:25:13 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Take a moment to offer your thoughts References: <20020809212404.30477.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <05b901c2407a$02d9a140$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0598_01C2403F.111B14E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Larry ............keeping you and your family in my thoughts.... Libby We will be known by the tracks we leave behind ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob Renner=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 2:24 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Take a moment to offer your thoughts All, I just received the following email from Larry. Take a few moments to say a prayer, or whatever you do, for one of the nicest people I've met. =20 Larry, I hope everything works out for the best. My thoughts and those of my family will be with you. Bob Renner and family. --- "Farquhar, Larry" wrote: >=20 > Bob; >=20 > My mother is terminally ill and I just got word they > expect less than 24 > hours for her. I won't make it today geocaching - > hope you get this soon. > We're immediately heading out of state. >=20 > Larry >=20 >=20 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Larry ............keeping you and your = family in my=20 thoughts....

Libby

We will be known by the tracks we leave behind

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From:=20 Bob = Renner=20

To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 = 2:24=20 PM

Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Take a = moment to=20 offer your thoughts

All,

I just received the following email from=20 Larry. Take
a few moments to say a prayer, or whatever you = do,=20 for
one of the nicest people I've met.

Larry, I hope=20 everything works out for the best. My
thoughts and those of = my family=20 will be with you.

Bob Renner and family.

--- = "Farquhar,=20 Larry" <larry.farquhar@ipni.com>=20 wrote:
>
> Bob;
>
> My mother is terminally = ill and=20 I just got word they
> expect less than 24
> hours for = her. I=20 won't make it today geocaching -
> hope you get this = soon.
> We're=20 immediately heading out of state.
>
> Larry
> =
>=20

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<= /BLOCKQUOTE> ------=_NextPart_000_0598_01C2403F.111B14E0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 10 15:25:21 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (WOLFB8) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 08:25:21 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Members Only Caches References: Message-ID: <05ec01c24082$95be5480$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_05E7_01C24047.7771D640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My feelings about Geocaching range from what a waste of gas to an almost spiritual one. Funds are very tight with me so I choose careful the = Caches we find, then after the power surge from Sunday lost my Computer's main HD, = have been unable to update my list until today. Yeah we have been to most of = the caches that have been switched to Members Only, infact today went to two = more, can't log em.. Would I have uploaded the waypoint for cache in the first = place knowing that when we did find it we couldn't log it, or even drop off = the Travel bugs in a cache that we couldn't then notify anyone else of its placement????=20 If the above has anything to do with one of my cache please let me know = and I will make arrangements with you to log the find..... I would also = like to add if some that is not a member would like to log one of my = cache ..just let me know and I will set it up so you can get the needed = information and are able to post the find.. I am sorry if my action have unconvinced anyone but I have a gut feeling = and have learned to trust it.... I know that I do have the time or the = money to go out and replace the 20 some cache that I made member only... = I did receive a few email that brought me to my decision..... NEW CACHE UPDATE........ on aug 18 I will posting my anviresty cache it = is Arizona first night time only cache.... It has taken me 5 trips to = the location but at night and during the day to set it up.... I am = pretty sure that you will NOT be able to find it in day light but will = be able to at night..... I hole you all enjoy it as much as I have = enjoyed putting it together... it is a 5-5 star rating.. We will be known by the tracks we leave behind Libby ------=_NextPart_000_05E7_01C24047.7771D640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

My feelings about Geocaching range from what a waste of gas to an=20 almost
spiritual one. Funds are very tight with me so I choose = careful the=20 Caches we
find, then after the power surge from Sunday lost my = Computer's=20 main HD, have
been unable to update my list until today. Yeah = we have=20 been to most of the
caches that have been switched to Members Only, = infact=20 today went to two more,
can't log em.. Would I have uploaded the = waypoint for=20 cache in the first place
knowing that when we did find it we couldn't = log it,=20 or even drop off the
Travel bugs in a cache that we couldn't then = notify=20 anyone else of its
placement????

If the above has anything to do with = one of my=20 cache please let me know and I will make arrangements with you to log = the=20 find..... I would also like to add if some that is not a member = would like=20 to log one of my cache ..just let me know and I will set it up so you = can get=20 the needed information and are able to post the find..

I am sorry if my action have = unconvinced anyone=20 but I have a gut feeling and have learned to trust it.... I know that I = do have=20 the time or the money to go out and replace the 20 some cache that I = made member=20 only... I did receive a few email that brought me to my=20 decision.....

NEW CACHE UPDATE........ on aug 18 I = will=20 posting my anviresty cache it is Arizona first night time only cache.... = It has=20 taken me 5 trips to the location but at night and during the day to set = it=20 up.... I am pretty sure that you will NOT be able to find it in day = light but=20 will be able to at night..... I hole you all enjoy it as = much as I=20 have enjoyed putting it together... it is a 5-5 star = rating..

We will be known by the tracks we = leave=20 behind

Libby ------=_NextPart_000_05E7_01C24047.7771D640-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 10 16:10:35 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Andrew Ayre) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 09:10:35 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Clueless Newbie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On a similar vein, does anyone know if there is anywhere in Tucson that sells RAM Mounts or can order them? Andy From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 10 16:10:37 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 09:10:37 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Take a moment to offer your thoughts References: <20020809212404.30477.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006301c24088$771acc10$91f50244@cx301817d> Larry, Sorry to hear this and our thoughts will be with you on this difficult time. WhereRWee? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Renner" To: Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 2:24 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Take a moment to offer your thoughts > All, > > I just received the following email from Larry. Take > a few moments to say a prayer, or whatever you do, for > one of the nicest people I've met. > > Larry, I hope everything works out for the best. My > thoughts and those of my family will be with you. > > Bob Renner and family. > > > --- "Farquhar, Larry" wrote: > > > > Bob; > > > > My mother is terminally ill and I just got word they > > expect less than 24 > > hours for her. I won't make it today geocaching - > > hope you get this soon. > > We're immediately heading out of state. > > > > Larry > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 10 16:25:55 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 09:25:55 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Clueless Newbie References: Message-ID: <00ba01c2408a$9a5a5130$91f50244@cx301817d> Andy, Check out GPS City http://www.gpscity.com/. I have bought my RAM mount and GPS units from them. They have very good prices and ship your order quickly. WhereRWee? Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Ayre" To: Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 9:10 AM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Clueless Newbie > On a similar vein, does anyone know if there is anywhere in Tucson that > sells RAM Mounts or can order them? > > Andy > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 10 17:57:56 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 10:57:56 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Clueless Newbie In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020810105727.00a9db40@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 09:10 AM 8/10/2002 -0700, you wrote: >On a similar vein, does anyone know if there is anywhere in Tucson that >sells RAM Mounts or can order them? No, I was never able to find them locally. I ended up ordering mine online. They are great mounts. Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 10 17:59:55 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 10:59:55 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Members Only Caches In-Reply-To: <05ec01c24082$95be5480$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020810105851.00a9e070@mail.myblueheaven.com> --=====================_58014639==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:25 AM 8/10/2002 -0700, you wrote: >I am sorry if my action have unconvinced anyone but I have a gut feeling >and have learned to trust it.... I know that I do have the time or the >money to go out and replace the 20 some cache that I made member only... I >did receive a few email that brought me to my decision..... If you have received e-mail that would indicate that caches in Arizona are in some sort of danger, why haven't you shared it with the list? Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache --=====================_58014639==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 08:25 AM 8/10/2002 -0700, you wrote:

I am sorry if my action have unconvinced anyone but I have a gut feeling and have learned to trust it.... I know that I do have the time or the money to go out and replace the 20 some cache that I made member only... I did receive a few email that brought me to my decision.....

If you have received e-mail that would indicate that caches in Arizona are in some sort of danger, why haven't you shared it with the list?

Scott

Team My Blue Heaven

www.myblueheaven.com/geocache

--=====================_58014639==_.ALT-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 10 22:13:30 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jerry Nelson) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 15:13:30 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Charter memberships Message-ID: <20020810.151332.-793415.2.peakbagger2@juno.com> OK, I've been guilted (is that a word?) into buying a Geocaching charter membership. Here's a question whose answer is probably in plain sight but since I'm lazy I'll ask here. There are two memberships shown, one that "renews annually" and one that "does not renew", both for $30. What's the difference between the two? I plan to continue to place any future caches as open to all. I've been in Iowa for over a month and will give a caching comparison of the this area and Arizona when I get home to Phoenix on Sept. 1. My best hopes and wishes also go to Larry and his family. Jerry-Offtrail From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 10 21:20:55 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Eric Quinn) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 14:20:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) Message-ID: <20020810212055.18935.qmail@web13114.mail.yahoo.com> Anyone who likes Thai money should go hunt Libby's cache: A Park with a History. I placed a 5 Baht coin in there this morning. Heh, maybe that'll draw Trisha into Phoenix. Eric TD __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 10 21:42:55 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jason Poulter) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 14:42:55 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Charter memberships References: <20020810.151332.-793415.2.peakbagger2@juno.com> Message-ID: <3D5588DF.60703@snaptek.com> simple one will renew in a year on the day you purchased it automatically charging you another 30 bucks the other will not jason Jerry Nelson wrote: > > OK, I've been guilted (is that a word?) into buying a Geocaching charter > membership. Here's a question whose answer is probably in plain sight > but since I'm lazy I'll ask here. There are two memberships shown, one > that "renews annually" and one that "does not renew", both for $30. > What's the difference between the two? I plan to continue to place any > future caches as open to all. > > I've been in Iowa for over a month and will give a caching comparison of > the this area and Arizona when I get home to Phoenix on Sept. 1. > > My best hopes and wishes also go to Larry and his family. > > Jerry-Offtrail > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 10 21:44:23 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 14:44:23 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Charter memberships In-Reply-To: <20020810.151332.-793415.2.peakbagger2@juno.com> Message-ID: <001c01c240b7$1786fab0$026fa8c0@OUR> Jerry, Good to see you back, even if only virtually. > OK, I've been guilted (is that a word?) As William Safire wrote, "There ain't no word that can't be verbed." > There are two memberships shown, one that "renews > annually" and one that "does not renew", both for $30. > What's the difference between the two? I don't remember that being there when we signed up, but it looks as though the first option will automatically bill you on an annual basis, while the second one puts the onus on the member to renew a year later. Steve Team Tierra Buena From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 10 21:47:55 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jason Poulter) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 14:47:55 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Stats... Message-ID: <3D558A0B.8000900@snaptek.com> this is to inform everyone, instead of answering a lot of individual emails that would probably float this way... yes the out of state counts are off on the team stats.... that is because the system does not count member caches ... so it simply subtracts the caches know arizona caches in the database from the total found that the geocaching.com site reports you have found. so everything should return to normal once all the memeber only caches are changed back... jason From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 10 22:35:23 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (WOLFB8) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 15:35:23 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Members Only Caches References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020810105851.00a9e070@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: <06b001c240bf$97159360$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_06A0_01C24083.8A9E0360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable because they were mailed to me.... and were not out right threating but = were shall I say disturbing enough that I want to play it safe right = now.....Scott you have not done any of my cache that I can remember but = some are shall I say very close to home..... and I like I said before I = want to play it safe sorry but it how I feel right now Libby We will be known by the tracks we leave behind At 08:25 AM 8/10/2002 -0700, you wrote: I am sorry if my action have unconvinced anyone but I have a gut = feeling and have learned to trust it.... I know that I do have the time = or the money to go out and replace the 20 some cache that I made member = only... I did receive a few email that brought me to my decision..... If you have received e-mail that would indicate that caches in Arizona = are in some sort of danger, why haven't you shared it with the list? Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache ------=_NextPart_000_06A0_01C24083.8A9E0360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

because they were mailed to me.... and = were not out=20 right threating but were shall I say disturbing enough that I want to = play it=20 safe right now.....Scott you have not done any of my cache that I can = remember=20 but some are shall I say very close to home..... and I like I said = before I want=20 to play it safe

sorry but it how I feel right = now

Libby

We will be known by the tracks we leave behind

At 08:25 AM 8/10/2002 = -0700, you=20 wrote:

I am=20 sorry if my action have unconvinced anyone but I have a gut feeling = and have=20 learned to trust it.... I know that I do have the time or the money = to go=20 out and replace the 20 some cache that I made member only... I did = receive a=20 few email that brought me to my = decision.....

If you=20 have received e-mail that would indicate that caches in Arizona are in = some=20 sort of danger, why haven't you shared it with the list?

Scott

Team My Blue Heaven

www.myblueheaven.com/geocache

------=_NextPart_000_06A0_01C24083.8A9E0360-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 10 23:21:51 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 16:21:51 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Members Only Caches In-Reply-To: <06b001c240bf$97159360$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020810105851.00a9e070@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020810161157.02827ec0@mail.myblueheaven.com> --=====================_77329717==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:35 PM 8/10/2002 -0700, you wrote: >because they were mailed to me.... and were not out right threating but >were shall I say disturbing enough that I want to play it safe right >now.....Scott you have not done any of my cache that I can remember but >some are shall I say very close to home..... and I like I said before I >want to play it safe Actually I have done some of your caches. A couple of the virtuals as well as the Sacaton North. Would you please share some of these "disturbing" messages with us? You don't have to provide any names or e-mail addresses. If there are actually people sending messages that are threatening caches, then I may change my mind about converting caches to MO, but until someone can show me that there is a threat out there, I just can't support the notion that a cache is somehow in danger just because there was some negative press. At least not in any more danger than a cache simply being plundered, as many have been. Another question that no one has answered yet is why does turning them to member's only protect them? It literally takes just a few minutes to send a paypal payment to groundspeak and then you are a charter member and have access to the cache coordinates. If a person, or group of people were intent on stealing or trashing a cache, they would have very little trouble doing so unless you went out and just removed them yourself. I promise everyone that this will be my last message on this subject, and I mean no offense, we tend to agree on many issues, but I feel that this is a knee jerk reaction to a perceived problem, and will just lead to further knee jerk reactions to other perceived problems. I don't think we can seriously believe that this is the last bad press that geocaching will ever get, and if we decide that we have to somehow try to hide our caches each and every time bad press happens, this will cease being a fun game in very quick order. Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache --=====================_77329717==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 03:35 PM 8/10/2002 -0700, you wrote:

because they were mailed to me.... and were not out right threating but were shall I say disturbing enough that I want to play it safe right now.....Scott you have not done any of my cache that I can remember but some are shall I say very close to home..... and I like I said before I want to play it safe

Actually I have done some of your caches. A couple of the virtuals as well as the Sacaton North.

Would you please share some of these "disturbing" messages with us? You don't have to provide any names or e-mail addresses. If there are actually people sending messages that are threatening caches, then I may change my mind about converting caches to MO, but until someone can show me that there is a threat out there, I just can't support the notion that a cache is somehow in danger just because there was some negative press. At least not in any more danger than a cache simply being plundered, as many have been.

Another question that no one has answered yet is why does turning them to member's only protect them? It literally takes just a few minutes to send a paypal payment to groundspeak and then you are a charter member and have access to the cache coordinates. If a person, or group of people were intent on stealing or trashing a cache, they would have very little trouble doing so unless you went out and just removed them yourself.

I promise everyone that this will be my last message on this subject, and I mean no offense, we tend to agree on many issues, but I feel that this is a knee jerk reaction to a perceived problem, and will just lead to further knee jerk reactions to other perceived problems. I don't think we can seriously believe that this is the last bad press that geocaching will ever get, and if we decide that we have to somehow try to hide our caches each and every time bad press happens, this will cease being a fun game in very quick order.

Scott

Team My Blue Heaven

www.myblueheaven.com/geocache

--=====================_77329717==_.ALT-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 10 16:26:21 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Mike Schwarz) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 16:26:21 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another congrats Message-ID: <3.0.5.16.20020810162621.0e578b62@pop.mindspring.com> Since it was on my cache, let me be the first to congratulate Zeeks2 for reaching 100 finds! I myself have only found 2 in the past 4 weeks. At this rate, I should reach my next centennial mark (200) sometime in the year 2005. Haven't been real close to any on my recent hikes up north, and down here, the temperature seems to be a potent cache-searching suppressant. Mike Team Malthusian From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 10 23:43:50 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 16:43:50 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another congrats In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.16.20020810162621.0e578b62@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020810164222.02829920@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 04:26 PM 8/10/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Since it was on my cache, let me be the first to >congratulate Zeeks2 for reaching 100 finds! Let me add our congratulations to Zeeks as well. That 100 mark is something that we are really looking forward to reaching. If things go as planned, it will definitely be this month. >I myself have only found 2 in the past 4 weeks. I think you have me beat by 1. :-) I have been doing a lot of work on the house over the summer and haven't had a lot of time to get out. Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Aug 11 03:42:24 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 20:42:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] PRAYERS Message-ID: <20020810204224.4646.h004.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> My prayers are also with you, Larry, Connie and family... Trisha "Lightning" (Staying out of the discussions for now) howard campbell wrote:

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Are thoughts and prayers are with you at this time.I just lost my Dad in June.

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From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Aug 11 03:48:40 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 20:48:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Clueless Newbie Message-ID: <20020810204843.3806.h004.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> WELCOME "Windrider" and the other new folks! Hand-dyed scarves would be ultra-cool cache loot! As far as your other questions, several others have probably already offered a bunch of suggestions (I'm trying to wade thru about 200 emails from the past 2 days! geez!) so I will stop here and just say hello... Trisha aka "Lightning" Yavapai Co. Jeep Posse Searchers Prescott (also sometimes known unofficially as "Team Storm Cell" when I cache with my fiance "VStar" and/or daughters "Glow-Gurl" (14) and "Thunderbolt" (11) "Joanna Strohn" wrote: > > Many thanks for the warm welcome. With the thunderboomers hovering > over the > park that was going to be my first exploration, I think I'll have to > put off > my first search effort. > > I've been doing some looking around on the web, but there really isn't > that > much there for the completely clueless newbie. For example, what kind > of > goodies does one leave? I make hand-dyed scarves, for example. Would > these > be a good goodie? > > I haven't found anyplace that has photos of caches. I read about > Tupperware, > but I have no clue how they may be hidden. Or not hidden. Do I have to > climb > trees? Wade swamps? Do a dance and chant? Turn my dogs into retrievers? > > I got my GPS at Wal-Mart. I know they don't have any PC cables there (I > looked). Any other place in Tucson that might have cables? Or does one > have > to order online for anything other than the basic units? What about > paper > maps? And what about mapping software? When I need a map I go to one > of the > online sites so I don't have anything that is new. Recommendations? > > -- Joanna, Clueless in Tucson, aka WingRider > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Although no one can go back and make a brand new start, Anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Aug 11 05:24:38 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (rpinnell909) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 22:24:38 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Our first find Message-ID: <001201c240f7$634fd030$0200000a@dell> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C240BC.B68F2920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We purchased our GPS unit this afternoon and found our first cache this = evening at about 7:15. Thanks to Team Scottie Dog for our first find. A little concern over the recent events but we a really looking forward = to getting out there and logging many more finds. We are going to love this!!! Team Gizmo (Rich & Deb) ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C240BC.B68F2920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

We purchased our GPS unit this = afternoon and found=20 our first cache this evening at about 7:15. Thanks to Team Scottie Dog = for our=20 first find.

A little concern over the recent events = but we a=20 really looking forward to getting out there and logging many more=20 finds.

We are going to love = this!!!

Team Gizmo

(Rich & = Deb)

------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C240BC.B68F2920-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Aug 11 07:38:09 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken Akerman) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 00:38:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Why not place more new caches in the Flagstaff area? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020503130304.00a72920@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: <20020811073809.6693.qmail@web21103.mail.yahoo.com> --0-530955576-1029051489=:6691 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello Geocachers, It's late summer, and it appears to me that it would be a lot better to go geocaching in the high elevations, where it is cooler, rather than in the Phoenix area, where it is very hot. I entered one of the zip codes for Flagstaff (86002) in the "Seek a cache" page, and there are no new caches within 20 miles of that zip code. Since the high elevation areas are best for geocaching right now, why don't more geocachers place new caches in the Flagstaff area? I plan to go the Flagstaff area next weekend to place a new cache and to seek some of the existing caches. I have a good place in mind that I've hiked to before, but which does not have a cache yet. I have collected several travel bugs and I like to distribute them to caches outside the Phoenix metropolitan area. Ken --0-530955576-1029051489=:6691 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Hello Geocachers,

It's late summer, and it appears to me that it would be a lot better to go geocaching in the high elevations, where it is cooler, rather than in the Phoenix area, where it is very hot. I entered one of the zip codes for Flagstaff (86002) in the "Seek a cache" page, and there are no new caches within 20 miles of that zip code.

Since the high elevation areas are best for geocaching right now, why don't more geocachers place new caches in the Flagstaff area?

I plan to go the Flagstaff area next weekend to place a new cache and to seek some of the existing caches. I have a good place in mind that I've hiked to before, but which does not have a cache yet. I have collected several travel bugs and I like to distribute them to caches outside the Phoenix metropolitan area.

Ken

--0-530955576-1029051489=:6691-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Aug 11 10:47:47 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Derek Barker) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 03:47:47 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hello Message-ID: <001201c24124$88520560$1500000a@inet> Hello from Team OddKnee, We actually started in May, but just joined the mailing list for Arizona. We have had lots of fun, and have enjoyed all the caches we have found so far. We look forward to finding both the existing and new caches out there. Thank you all for showing us these great places. Team OddKnee. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 08/02/2002 From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Aug 11 22:21:36 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 18:21:36 EDT Subject: [Az-Geocaching] For newbie Message-ID: <8d.1c784621.2a883d70@aol.com> --part1_8d.1c784621.2a883d70_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello All, I didnt see anyone list Frys Electronics as a place to get GPS accessories, so I will throw that in there as well. They have a whole wall full of GPS units as well as some of the accessories, if you aren't near a store, they sell online, and they also have reasonable prices. A big welcome to all the newbies, hope you have a great time as we know we have. This month marks our anniversary in Geocachig, with our first find in (gasp) White Tank Mtns on Goat Camp Cache. Been a great year and we plan on many more. On another note, I spoke with Ms Leonard at length, anyone want to know what was discussed, let me know, otherwise I will let the issue rest. Thanks all, and have a great day. Team Spring --part1_8d.1c784621.2a883d70_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello All,
      I didnt see anyone list Frys Electronics as a place to get GPS accessories, so I will throw that in there as well. They have a whole wall full of GPS units as well as some of the accessories, if you aren't near a store, they sell online, and they also have reasonable prices.
       A big welcome to all the newbies, hope you have a great time as we know we have. This month marks our anniversary in Geocachig, with our first find in (gasp) White Tank Mtns on Goat Camp Cache. Been a great year and we plan on many more.
       On another note, I spoke with Ms Leonard at length, anyone want to know what was discussed, let me know, otherwise I will let the issue rest.
       Thanks all, and have a great day.

Team Spring --part1_8d.1c784621.2a883d70_boundary-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 12 00:54:54 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 17:54:54 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] For newbie References: <8d.1c784621.2a883d70@aol.com> Message-ID: <003001c2419a$df5b0b10$91f50244@cx301817d> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C24160.32DF0E20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Since my "A Sign From The Past III" was a prominent piece on the story = from the Az Repulsive I would love to here what she had to say. WhereRWee? Ken ----- Original Message -----=20 From: TeamSpringAZ@aol.com=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 3:21 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] For newbie Hello All, I didnt see anyone list Frys Electronics as a place to get GPS = accessories, so I will throw that in there as well. They have a whole = wall full of GPS units as well as some of the accessories, if you aren't = near a store, they sell online, and they also have reasonable prices. A big welcome to all the newbies, hope you have a great time as = we know we have. This month marks our anniversary in Geocachig, with our = first find in (gasp) White Tank Mtns on Goat Camp Cache. Been a great = year and we plan on many more. On another note, I spoke with Ms Leonard at length, anyone want = to know what was discussed, let me know, otherwise I will let the issue = rest. Thanks all, and have a great day. Team Spring=20 ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C24160.32DF0E20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Since my "A Sign From The Past III" was = a prominent=20 piece on the story from the Az Repulsive I would love to = here=20 what she had to say.

WhereRWee?

Ken

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 TeamSpringAZ@aol.com

To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 = 3:21=20 PM

Subject: [Az-Geocaching] For = newbie

Hello All,
      I = didnt see=20 anyone list Frys Electronics as a place to get GPS accessories, so I = will=20 throw that in there as well. They have a whole wall full of GPS units = as well=20 as some of the accessories, if you aren't near a store, they sell = online, and=20 they also have reasonable = prices.
       A=20 big welcome to all the newbies, hope you have a great time as we know = we have.=20 This month marks our anniversary in Geocachig, with our first find in = (gasp)=20 White Tank Mtns on Goat Camp Cache. Been a great year and we plan on = many=20 more.
       On another note, I spoke = with Ms=20 Leonard at length, anyone want to know what was discussed, let me = know,=20 otherwise I will let the issue = rest.
      =20 Thanks all, and have a great day.

Team Spring = ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C24160.32DF0E20-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 12 03:11:48 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Mark Heitowit) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 20:11:48 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] For newbie References: <8d.1c784621.2a883d70@aol.com> <003001c2419a$df5b0b10$91f50244@cx301817d> Message-ID: <3D572774.279AF7B7@usa.net> --------------1D894D8FBE85178383E3583D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd also like to hear what she had to say. Thanks Mark Ken wrote: > Since my "A Sign From The Past III" was a prominent piece on the story > from the Az Repulsive I would love to here what she had to > say. WhereRWee?Ken > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: TeamSpringAZ@aol.com > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 3:21 PM > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] For newbie > Hello All, > I didnt see anyone list Frys Electronics as a place to > get GPS accessories, so I will throw that in there as well. > They have a whole wall full of GPS units as well as some of > the accessories, if you aren't near a store, they sell > online, and they also have reasonable prices. > A big welcome to all the newbies, hope you have a > great time as we know we have. This month marks our > anniversary in Geocachig, with our first find in (gasp) > White Tank Mtns on Goat Camp Cache. Been a great year and we > plan on many more. > On another note, I spoke with Ms Leonard at length, > anyone want to know what was discussed, let me know, > otherwise I will let the issue rest. > Thanks all, and have a great day. > > Team Spring > --------------1D894D8FBE85178383E3583D Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd also like to hear what she had to say. Thanks

Mark

Ken wrote:

Since my "A Sign From The Past III" was a prominent piece on the story from the Az Repulsive I would love to here what she had to say. WhereRWee?Ken

----- Original Message -----

From: TeamSpringAZ@aol.com

To: listserv@azgeocaching.com

Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 3:21 PM

Subject: [Az-Geocaching] For newbie
Hello All,
      I didnt see anyone list Frys Electronics as a place to get GPS accessories, so I will throw that in there as well. They have a whole wall full of GPS units as well as some of the accessories, if you aren't near a store, they sell online, and they also have reasonable prices.
       A big welcome to all the newbies, hope you have a great time as we know we have. This month marks our anniversary in Geocachig, with our first find in (gasp) White Tank Mtns on Goat Camp Cache. Been a great year and we plan on many more.
       On another note, I spoke with Ms Leonard at length, anyone want to know what was discussed, let me know, otherwise I will let the issue rest.
       Thanks all, and have a great day.
Team Spring

--------------1D894D8FBE85178383E3583D-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 12 04:10:15 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gordon L. Flatt) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 21:10:15 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] For newbie References: <8d.1c784621.2a883d70@aol.com> <003001c2419a$df5b0b10$91f50244@cx301817d> <3D572774.279AF7B7@usa.net> Message-ID: <000801c241b6$29874760$a3930244@mud> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2417B.7CFD8ED0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You know that everyone is on the edge of their seats waiting to hear = what was said, so just go ahead and post it! LOL Gordon Team Coyote1022 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mark Heitowit=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 8:11 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] For newbie I'd also like to hear what she had to say. Thanks=20 Mark=20 Ken wrote:=20 Since my "A Sign From The Past III" was a prominent piece on the = story from the Az Repulsive I would love to here what she had to say. = WhereRWee?Ken=20 ----- Original Message ----- From: TeamSpringAZ@aol.com To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 3:21 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] For newbie Hello All,=20 I didnt see anyone list Frys Electronics as a place to get = GPS accessories, so I will throw that in there as well. They have a = whole wall full of GPS units as well as some of the accessories, if you = aren't near a store, they sell online, and they also have reasonable = prices.=20 A big welcome to all the newbies, hope you have a great = time as we know we have. This month marks our anniversary in Geocachig, = with our first find in (gasp) White Tank Mtns on Goat Camp Cache. Been a = great year and we plan on many more.=20 On another note, I spoke with Ms Leonard at length, anyone = want to know what was discussed, let me know, otherwise I will let the = issue rest.=20 Thanks all, and have a great day.=20 Team Spring ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2417B.7CFD8ED0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

You know that = everyone is on the=20 edge of their seats waiting to hear what was said, so just go ahead and = post=20 it! LOL

Gordon

Team=20 Coyote1022

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Mark = Heitowit=20
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 = 8:11=20 PM

Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = For=20 newbie

I'd also like to hear what she had to say. Thanks =
Mark=20
Ken wrote:=20
Since my "A Sign From The Past = III" was a=20 prominent piece on the story from the Az Repulsive I would love to = here what=20 she had to say. WhereRWee?Ken=20
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 TeamSpringAZ@aol.com
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Sent: Sunday, August 11, = 2002 3:21=20 PM

Subject: [Az-Geocaching] = For=20 newbie
Hello = All,=20
      I didnt=20 see anyone list Frys Electronics as a place to get GPS = accessories, so I=20 will throw that in there as well. They have a whole wall full of = GPS units=20 as well as some of the accessories, if you aren't near a store, = they sell=20 online, and they also have reasonable prices. =
       = A big=20 welcome to all the newbies, hope you have a great time as we know = we have.=20 This month marks our anniversary in Geocachig, with our first find = in=20 (gasp) White Tank Mtns on Goat Camp Cache. Been a great year and = we plan=20 on many more.
       On another note, I = spoke with=20 Ms Leonard at length, anyone want to know what was discussed, let = me know,=20 otherwise I will let the issue rest.
       = Thanks all,=20 and have a great day.=20
Team=20 = Spring

------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2417B.7CFD8ED0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 12 04:22:53 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken Akerman) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 21:22:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Diamondbacks game update: Postponed to Tuesday, Sept. 10 Message-ID: <20020812042253.75085.qmail@web21108.mail.yahoo.com> --0-960098298-1029126173=:73885 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello Geocachers, So far, we have had only 17 confirmations for the proposed Diamondbacks game against the Cincinnati Reds on Tuesday, Aug. 20. To get the half-price group rate, we need a minimum of 30 tickets to be purchased, and the date of the game is just over one week away. Therefore, I am postponing this event to Tuesday, Sept. 10 for the game between the Diamondbacks and San Diego Padres. The game begins at 6:35 pm. I project that Curt Schilling will be the Diamondback's starting pitcher. Therefore, if you have already sent me money or a check for the Aug. 20 game, then I will put you on the list for the Sept. 10 date, unless you notify me that you are unable to attend on that date. Also, if you would like to attend the game on Sept. 10, but haven't sent me any payment yet, then please send me a check for $7.00 per ticket, or send it to me via a cash payment to my e-mail address at PayPal.com. I hope we can get a full group of 30 or more people to attend this game on Sept. 10. Perhaps the Sept. 10 date will work better for more people, because many of us are on vacation or geocaching outside of our home area during August. Ken --0-960098298-1029126173=:73885 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Hello Geocachers,

So far, we have had only 17 confirmations for the proposed Diamondbacks game against the Cincinnati Reds on Tuesday, Aug. 20. To get the half-price group rate, we need a minimum of 30 tickets to be purchased, and the date of the game is just over one week away.

Therefore, I am postponing this event to Tuesday, Sept. 10 for the game between the Diamondbacks and San Diego Padres. The game begins at 6:35 pm. I project that Curt Schilling will be the Diamondback's starting pitcher.

Therefore, if you have already sent me money or a check for the Aug. 20 game, then I will put you on the list for the Sept. 10 date, unless you notify me that you are unable to attend on that date. Also, if you would like to attend the game on Sept. 10, but haven't sent me any payment yet, then please send me a check for $7.00 per ticket, or send it to me via a cash payment to my e-mail address at PayPal.com.

I hope we can get a full group of 30 or more people to attend this game on Sept. 10. Perhaps the Sept. 10 date will work better for more people, because many of us are on vacation or geocaching outside of our home area during August.

Ken

--0-960098298-1029126173=:73885-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 12 06:57:09 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jerry Nelson) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 23:57:09 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Why me? Message-ID: <20020811.235709.-760511.3.peakbagger2@juno.com> As I mentioned in a recent note, I'm spending some time in Iowa and doing some caching here. Today was a bad day. My log says it all. Cache is GC766F and link is http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=30319 Has anyone had an experience even close to this? Jerry Offtrail From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 12 05:07:35 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 22:07:35 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Diamondbacks game update: Postponed to Tuesday, Sept. 10 In-Reply-To: <20020812042253.75085.qmail@web21108.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004201c241be$2dae8940$026fa8c0@OUR> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C24183.814FB140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That change works for me, but it's still only one ticket. Judi has another commitment that night. Steve Team Tierra Buena -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Ken Akerman Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 9:23 PM To: az-geocaching@listserv.snaptek.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Diamondbacks game update: Postponed to Tuesday, Sept. 10 Hello Geocachers, So far, we have had only 17 confirmations for the proposed Diamondbacks game against the Cincinnati Reds on Tuesday, Aug. 20. To get the half-price group rate, we need a minimum of 30 tickets to be purchased, and the date of the game is just over one week away. Therefore, I am postponing this event to Tuesday, Sept. 10 for the game between the Diamondbacks and San Diego Padres. The game begins at 6:35 pm. I project that Curt Schilling will be the Diamondback's starting pitcher. Therefore, if you have already sent me money or a check for the Aug. 20 game, then I will put you on the list for the Sept. 10 date, unless you notify me that you are unable to attend on that date. Also, if you would like to attend the game on Sept. 10, but haven't sent me any payment yet, then please send me a check for $7.00 per ticket, or send it to me via a cash payment to my e-mail address at PayPal.com . I hope we can get a full group of 30 or more people to attend this game on Sept. 10. Perhaps the Sept. 10 date will work better for more people, because many of us are on vacation or geocaching outside of our home area during August. Ken ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C24183.814FB140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

That=20 change works for me, but it's still only one ticket. Judi has another = commitment=20 that night.

Steve

Team=20 Tierra Buena

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = Ken=20 Akerman
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 9:23 PM
To:=20 az-geocaching@listserv.snaptek.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching]=20 Diamondbacks game update: Postponed to Tuesday, Sept. = 10

Hello Geocachers,

So far, we have had only 17 confirmations for the proposed Diamondbacks=20 game against the Cincinnati=20 Reds on Tuesday, Aug. 20. To get the half-price group = rate, we=20 need a minimum of 30 tickets to be purchased, and the date of the = game is=20 just over one week away.

Therefore, I am postponing this event to Tuesday, Sept. 10 for = the game=20 between the Diamondbacks and San=20 Diego Padres. The game begins at 6:35 pm. I project = that Cur= t=20 Schilling will be the Diamondback's starting pitcher.

Therefore, if you have already sent me money or a check for the = Aug. 20=20 game, then I will put you on the list for the Sept. 10 date, unless = you=20 notify me that you are unable to attend on that date. Also, if = you=20 would like to attend the game on Sept. 10, but haven't sent me = any=20 payment yet, then please send me a check for $7.00 per ticket, = or send=20 it to me via a cash payment to my e-mail address at PayPal.com.

I hope we can get a full group of 30 or more people to attend = this game=20 on Sept. 10. Perhaps the Sept. 10 date will work better for = more=20 people, because many of us are on vacation or geocaching outside of = our home=20 area during August.

Ken

------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C24183.814FB140-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 12 05:20:20 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 22:20:20 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Why me? In-Reply-To: <20020811.235709.-760511.3.peakbagger2@juno.com> Message-ID: <004701c241bf$f4335900$026fa8c0@OUR> Well, Jerry, perhaps you can take solace in knowing that, hundreds of years in the future, you'll have left some Iowa land steward an artifact that he or she can try to prevent your descendants from ever learning of its existence. Steve Team Tierra Buena From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 12 05:21:30 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jim Scotti) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 22:21:30 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Why me? In-Reply-To: <20020811.235709.-760511.3.peakbagger2@juno.com> Message-ID: ROTFLOL! Very interesting story. I've heard lots of good ones, but this has to be near the top of that list! Next on the list would have to be a log I'd remind Scott of Team My Blue Heaven about (check his log for "Sticky Fingers after Saguaros" last fall - in short, he locked himself out of his truck and it only got worse from there. :-) At least he didn't lock the cache into his truck...). Jim. On Sun, 11 Aug 2002, Jerry Nelson wrote: > As I mentioned in a recent note, I'm spending some time in Iowa and doing > some caching here. Today was a bad day. My log says it all. Cache is > GC766F and link is > http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=30319 > > Has anyone had an experience even close to this? > > Jerry > Offtrail > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > Jim Scotti Lunar & Planetary Laboratory jscotti@pirl.lpl.arizona.edu University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 USA http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 12 05:43:36 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 22:43:36 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Why me? References: <004701c241bf$f4335900$026fa8c0@OUR> Message-ID: <008801c241c3$33dc9f00$91f50244@cx301817d> That's too funny!!! Maybe the AZ repulsive can do a story on it and abut how you have vandalized such a sacred tree with absolutely no respect for the land. But Steve does have a point, In the future the land stewards will be frothing at the mouth about how they must protect the site and keep it a secret from the rest of the public ;) I actually had a park ranger tell me once while visiting rainbow bridge at Lake Powell that the petroglyphs at the site were "nothing more that ancient graffiti." Given time I guess anything becomes priceless. WhereRWee? Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Team Tierra Buena" To: Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 10:20 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Why me? > Well, Jerry, perhaps you can take solace in knowing that, hundreds of > years in the future, you'll have left some Iowa land steward an artifact > that he or she can try to prevent your descendants from ever learning of > its existence. > > Steve > Team Tierra Buena > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 12 05:55:49 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 22:55:49 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Why me? In-Reply-To: <20020811.235709.-760511.3.peakbagger2@juno.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020811225515.00aa3010@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 11:57 PM 8/11/2002 -0700, you wrote: >As I mentioned in a recent note, I'm spending some time in Iowa and doing >some caching here. Today was a bad day. My log says it all. Cache is >GC766F and link is >http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=30319 > >Has anyone had an experience even close to this? Ouch. Nothing like that has happened to us, alteast not yet. Well, there was that one time out at a cache west of Tucson with keys locked in a truck, and broken glass all over the place. :-) Hope it works out in the long run for that cache. In liberty, Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 12 05:58:13 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 22:58:13 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Why me? In-Reply-To: References: <20020811.235709.-760511.3.peakbagger2@juno.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020811225742.02960d50@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 10:21 PM 8/11/2002 -0700, you wrote: >ROTFLOL! Very interesting story. I've heard lots of good ones, but this has >to be near the top of that list! Next on the list would have to be a log I'd >remind Scott of Team My Blue Heaven about (check his log for "Sticky Fingers >after Saguaros" last fall - in short, he locked himself out of his truck and >it only got worse from there. :-) At least he didn't lock the cache into his >truck...). Yea, I am now out of first place. Thanks Jerry, I really appreciate it. :-) In liberty, Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 12 05:53:59 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Eric Quinn) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 22:53:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Why me? In-Reply-To: <008801c241c3$33dc9f00$91f50244@cx301817d> Message-ID: <20020812055359.61669.qmail@web13108.mail.yahoo.com> --- Ken wrote: > But Steve does have a point, In the future the > land stewards will be frothing at the mouth about > how they must protect the site and keep it a > secret from the rest of the public ;) After all, it will be the only known site of an ammo box eating tree. I almost dropped a cache off a cliff into the ocean, so don't feel too bad. This type of thing happens. That doesn't change the fact that it's still funny. ;) Eric TD __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 12 06:13:26 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 23:13:26 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] For Further Reading Message-ID: <004e01c241c7$5f2e6a90$026fa8c0@OUR> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C2418C.B2CF9290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Someone listed this link on the geocaching.com forums: http://www.insidevc.com/vcs/lifestyle/article/0,1375,VCS_230_1318939,00. html Steve Team Tierra Buena ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C2418C.B2CF9290 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

Someone listed=20 this link on the geocaching.com forums:

http://www.insidevc.com/vcs/lifestyle/article/0,1375,VCS_230= _1318939,00.html

Steve

Team = Tierra=20 Buena

------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C2418C.B2CF9290-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 12 06:27:28 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Joe Brekke) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 23:27:28 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Why me? References: <20020812055359.61669.qmail@web13108.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002d01c241c9$55696e40$5a32a8c0@default> Too funny!!! My guess is that at least for now this changes the difficulty from a 3 to a 5? First time I've heard that someone might need to take an ax to a cache. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Quinn" To: Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why me? > > --- Ken wrote: > > But Steve does have a point, In the future the > > land stewards will be frothing at the mouth about > > how they must protect the site and keep it a > > secret from the rest of the public ;) > > After all, it will be the only known site of an ammo > box eating tree. > > I almost dropped a cache off a cliff into the ocean, > so don't feel too bad. This type of thing happens. > That doesn't change the fact that it's still funny. ;) > > > Eric > TD > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 12 14:09:35 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Eric Quinn) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 07:09:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Letter to the Editor Message-ID: <20020812140935.3325.qmail@web13102.mail.yahoo.com> Thought I'd mention that my letter to the editor was published today. Page B8 if you get the Republic or this web link if you don't. http://www.arizonarepublic.com/opinions/articles/0812monlet121.html Eric Team Dragon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 12 14:32:08 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Cody Brown) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 07:32:08 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Campground Web Site Message-ID: Here is a great link to campgrounds. http://gorp.com/dow/list/nflist.htm From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 12 15:07:18 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:07:18 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Letter to the Editor In-Reply-To: <20020812140935.3325.qmail@web13102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000601c24211$f3d205e0$026fa8c0@OUR> > Thought I'd mention that my letter to the editor was > published today. And a fine letter it was, Eric. Thanks for writing so eloquently. Still, I can't help but think that somehow, centuries ago, Omar Kayyham was reading the Arizona Republic: The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ, Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line, Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it. Steve Team Tierra Buena From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 12 15:43:22 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bob Renner) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:43:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Photograph Arizona cache Message-ID: <20020812154322.84464.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com> A new site has been selected for the Photograph Arizona cache. It's moving to the southeast portion of the state, so all you Tucson geocachers get your hiking boots on and head for the hills. Bob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 12 16:15:53 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Richard Pinnell) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:15:53 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] For newbie Message-ID: <001301c2421b$889e6f70$5c4fe99f@sc.co.pima.az.us> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C241E0.DBD45280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On another note, I spoke with Ms Leonard at length, anyone want to=20 know what was discussed, let me know, otherwise I will let the issue = rest. I would be interested in what was discussed. Team Gizmo - Rich ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C241E0.DBD45280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On another note, I spoke with Ms Leonard at length, anyone want = to=20
know what was discussed, let me know, otherwise I will let the issue = rest.

I would be interested in what was discussed.

Team Gizmo - Rich

------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C241E0.DBD45280-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 12 16:54:50 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:54:50 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Photograph Arizona cache In-Reply-To: <20020812154322.84464.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020812095422.00ac6760@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 08:43 AM 8/12/2002 -0700, you wrote: >A new site has been selected for the Photograph >Arizona cache. It's moving to the southeast portion >of the state, so all you Tucson geocachers get your >hiking boots on and head for the hills. It has been on my watch list for some time. I just hope that I can get down there and log it before someone else beats me to it. In liberty, Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 12 17:58:18 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bob Renner) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:58:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] For newbie In-Reply-To: <001301c2421b$889e6f70$5c4fe99f@sc.co.pima.az.us> Message-ID: <20020812175818.60736.qmail@web9010.mail.yahoo.com> Add me to the list too. Bob --- Richard Pinnell wrote: > On another note, I spoke with Ms Leonard at length, > anyone want to > know what was discussed, let me know, otherwise I > will let the issue rest. > > I would be interested in what was discussed. > > Team Gizmo - Rich > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 12 18:37:11 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ford, Denny) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 11:37:11 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] For newbie Message-ID: I would also be interested Denny Tres Hombres -----Original Message----- From: Bob Renner [mailto:renner001@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 10:58 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] For newbie Add me to the list too. Bob --- Richard Pinnell wrote: > On another note, I spoke with Ms Leonard at length, > anyone want to > know what was discussed, let me know, otherwise I > will let the issue rest. > > I would be interested in what was discussed. > > Team Gizmo - Rich > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 12 19:29:41 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Rand Hubbell - PARKSX) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 12:29:41 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Response to Jason Poulter Message-ID: <20803E6B9ECD1D4FAE908F797534837E6BE8C3@maricopa_xcng40> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C24236.9B1CAC50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jason; I would like to respond to your response to the article written by Christina Leonard on August 7th. I think the title of your response was "Archaeological Sites - Maybe They Caused the Problem Themselves?". The article that you linked to, was an article about the new trail to Willow Springs. If you haven't been to that area you should, particularly after we get some more rain. It is a year around spring that is a great oasis in the White Tank Mountains. Speaking for the Maricopa County Parks Department, we welcome park visitors, and we encourage our visitors to get out and hike our trail system. I think that there is a clear difference between a Park System, particularly an area that requires a fee to enter. And, the thousands of acres of open space around Arizona. In the county regional parks system we have a lot of park visitors, around two million each year. They pay us a fee, we provide picnic sites, ramadas and campsites, clean restrooms and a maintained trail system. We also have Interpretive Rangers, Park Police Officers, maintenance workers, etc. Because of the numbers of park visitors we need them to stay on the established trails, our trail system takes hikers, mountain bikers and equestrians to locations throughout our parks. To prevent the deterioration of the vegetation in the park and for their own safety. If you choose to come into a Maricopa County Park, you have to pay five dollars per vehicle. We provide all the services and facilities that I listed above and if your car is still in the parking lot when the park is closing, we begin a search for you. If injured or lost, we will find you and be able to provide first aid and eventually advanced medical care if needed. The above "Park" scenario is much different than most of the other open space in Arizona. Most of Arizona does not have maintained trails, does not the large numbers of visitors that the parks do. One of our greatest concerns is the spider webbing of new trails. It appears to us that searchers will follow a trail to a point parallel to the cache and then trail across country to the location. A couple of weeks of this and there becomes a trail or series of trails that converge near the cache. Non-searchers then see the trail split, or see a path leading off the trail or see searchers looking wonder what they see that is so interesting and wonder over. This then become a problem for us. If you are in a non-park environment, spider web trails are not an issue. If there is not a trail system, then light paths are not a problem. Everywhere, there are paths, cow paths, game trails, etc. We are asking that if a cache is placed in a Park, place within three feet of a designated trail. If a cache is placed near or on a sensitive site we acknowledge that most searchers will not intentionally cause any damage. The vast majority will come and go and leave only their foot prints in the soil. However, if people will through trash out their car window, they sure as heck will be up shards or touch a petroglyph if no one is around. Yes, the petroglyphs are interesting, the archaeological sites clearly add value to the cache site. They provide a bonus to finding the cache. They were created 600, 700, 800 years ago and in some cases much longer. I don't know how many are in Arizona, and whatever the number I suspect others are around but have not been found. There are a lot of archaeological sites in Arizona. That's good because they have to last forever. Petroglyphs are not being created any longer and everyone damaged or stolen is one less site for the future, for ever! I personally don't think it is worth the risk. You won't cause any damage, I won't, our friends probably won' t and if we can count on 95% percent of the Geocachers to not cause any damage then I ask you this question. Who will show that 5%, who will cause damage, where our archeological sites are? Will they have to find them on their own, will they follow the new spider trails, or will they find the interesting sounding sites on geocaching.com to discover the remaining petroglyphs. Why place a cache on a sensitive site? The game is great, let the discovery of the cache be the reward in and of its self. Thanks for your time to read this lengthy rambling response. Rand Hubbell Marketing Coordinator (602) 506-1114 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C24236.9B1CAC50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Response to Jason Poulter

Jason;

I would like to respond to your response to the = article written by Christina Leonard on August 7th. I think the = title of your response was "Archaeological Sites - Maybe They = Caused the Problem Themselves?".

The article that you linked to, was an article = about the new trail to Willow Springs. If you haven't been to = that area you should, particularly after we get some more rain. = It is a year around spring that is a great oasis in the White Tank = Mountains.

Speaking for the Maricopa County Parks = Department, we welcome park visitors, and we encourage our visitors to = get out and hike our trail system. I think that there is a clear = difference between a Park System, particularly an area that requires a = fee to enter. And, the thousands of acres of open space around = Arizona.

In the county regional parks system we have a = lot of park visitors, around two million each year. They = pay us a fee, we provide picnic sites, ramadas and campsites, clean = restrooms and a maintained trail system. We also have = Interpretive Rangers, Park Police Officers, maintenance workers, = etc. Because of the numbers of park visitors we need them to stay = on the established trails, our trail system takes hikers, mountain = bikers and equestrians to locations throughout our parks. = To prevent the deterioration of the vegetation in the park and for = their own safety. If you choose to come into a Maricopa = County Park, you have to pay five dollars per vehicle. We provide = all the services and facilities that I listed above and if your car is = still in the parking lot when the park is closing, we begin a search = for you. If injured or lost, we will find you and be able to = provide first aid and eventually advanced medical care if needed. =

The above "Park" scenario is much = different than most of the other open space in Arizona. Most of = Arizona does not have maintained trails, does not the large numbers of = visitors that the parks do. One of our greatest concerns is the = spider webbing of new trails. It appears to us that = searchers will follow a trail to a point parallel to the cache and then = trail across country to the location. A couple of weeks of = this and there becomes a trail or series of trails that converge near = the cache. Non-searchers then see the trail split, or see a path = leading off the trail or see searchers looking wonder what they see = that is so interesting and wonder over. This then become a = problem for us. If you are in a non-park environment, spider web = trails are not an issue. If there is not a trail system, then = light paths are not a problem. Everywhere, there are paths, = cow paths, game trails, etc.

We are asking that if a cache is placed in a = Park, place within three feet of a designated trail. If a cache = is placed near or on a sensitive site we acknowledge that most = searchers will not intentionally cause any damage. The vast = majority will come and go and leave only their foot prints in the = soil. However, if people will through trash out their car window, = they sure as heck will be up shards or touch a petroglyph if no one is = around. Yes, the petroglyphs are interesting, the archaeological = sites clearly add value to the cache site. They provide a bonus = to finding the cache. They were created 600, 700, 800 years ago = and in some cases much longer. I don't know how many are in = Arizona, and whatever the number I suspect others are around but have = not been found. There are a lot of archaeological sites in = Arizona. That's good because they have to last forever. = Petroglyphs are not being created any longer and everyone damaged or = stolen is one less site for the future, for ever!

I personally don't think it is worth the = risk. You won't cause any damage, I won't, our friends probably = won' t and if we can count on 95% percent of the Geocachers to not = cause any damage then I ask you this question. Who will show that = 5%, who will cause damage, where our archeological sites are? = Will they have to find them on their own, will they follow the new = spider trails, or will they find the interesting sounding sites on = geocaching.com to discover the remaining petroglyphs.

Why place a cache on a sensitive site? = The game is great, let the discovery of the cache be the reward in and = of its self.

Thanks for your time to read this lengthy = rambling response.

Rand Hubbell
Marketing Coordinator
(602) 506-1114

------_=_NextPart_001_01C24236.9B1CAC50-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 12 21:20:38 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: 12 Aug 2002 14:20:38 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Response to Jason Poulter In-Reply-To: <20803E6B9ECD1D4FAE908F797534837E6BE8C3@maricopa_xcng40> References: <20803E6B9ECD1D4FAE908F797534837E6BE8C3@maricopa_xcng40> Message-ID: <1029187238.6451.43.camel@fone.snaptek.com> Thank you for your response to Jason's letter. You bring up sevral good points, and we at AzGeocaching would be interested in working with you or anyone else to ensure that geocaching is a fun safe and well respected sport. As you said 95% of geocachers are the types that wouldn't do any harm what so ever. I personally happen to think it's probably closer to 99%, but that still leaves 1% that would damage sites and that is still too many. Luckily my guess would be that 1% would tend to be too lazy to go out in the middle of nowhere where most of the historical sites are, but thats not an excuse. The first thing that comes to mind would be for us (AzGeocaching.com) to setup a place for people to report abuse and list the last few people that were in the log or whoever they suspect of causeing some sort of damage. Then it would be easy after a few logs to see who is showing up repetedly in the database. That would give us a fairly educated guess as to who is doing the damage if anyone. I would also be willing to develop software that would inform the necessary people of a geocache that is on or too near an area that they would prefer not to have a geocache on. I would be willing to sign any NDA that would involve and never disclose any of the areas to the general public. That way we can avoid any accusations in the future. I still feel stongly that whatever damage was done to the site mentioned in the article had nothing to do with a geocache in the area and was purely coincidental, but that still won't stop me from ensureing that it can't happen in the future. Brian Cluff AzGeocaching.com Team Snaptek Geocaching since 10/08/2000 On Mon, 2002-08-12 at 12:29, Rand Hubbell - PARKSX wrote: > Jason; > > I would like to respond to your response to the article written by Christina > Leonard on August 7th. I think the title of your response was > "Archaeological Sites - Maybe They Caused the Problem Themselves?". > > The article that you linked to, was an article about the new trail to Willow > Springs. If you haven't been to that area you should, particularly after we > get some more rain. It is a year around spring that is a great oasis in the > White Tank Mountains. > > Speaking for the Maricopa County Parks Department, we welcome park visitors, > and we encourage our visitors to get out and hike our trail system. I think > that there is a clear difference between a Park System, particularly an area > that requires a fee to enter. And, the thousands of acres of open space > around Arizona. > > In the county regional parks system we have a lot of park visitors, around > two million each year. They pay us a fee, we provide picnic sites, ramadas > and campsites, clean restrooms and a maintained trail system. We also have > Interpretive Rangers, Park Police Officers, maintenance workers, etc. > Because of the numbers of park visitors we need them to stay on the > established trails, our trail system takes hikers, mountain bikers and > equestrians to locations throughout our parks. To prevent the > deterioration of the vegetation in the park and for their own safety. If > you choose to come into a Maricopa County Park, you have to pay five dollars > per vehicle. We provide all the services and facilities that I listed above > and if your car is still in the parking lot when the park is closing, we > begin a search for you. If injured or lost, we will find you and be able to > provide first aid and eventually advanced medical care if needed. > > The above "Park" scenario is much different than most of the other open > space in Arizona. Most of Arizona does not have maintained trails, does not > the large numbers of visitors that the parks do. One of our greatest > concerns is the spider webbing of new trails. It appears to us that > searchers will follow a trail to a point parallel to the cache and then > trail across country to the location. A couple of weeks of this and there > becomes a trail or series of trails that converge near the cache. > Non-searchers then see the trail split, or see a path leading off the trail > or see searchers looking wonder what they see that is so interesting and > wonder over. This then become a problem for us. If you are in a non-park > environment, spider web trails are not an issue. If there is not a trail > system, then light paths are not a problem. Everywhere, there are paths, > cow paths, game trails, etc. > > We are asking that if a cache is placed in a Park, place within three feet > of a designated trail. If a cache is placed near or on a sensitive site we > acknowledge that most searchers will not intentionally cause any damage. > The vast majority will come and go and leave only their foot prints in the > soil. However, if people will through trash out their car window, they sure > as heck will be up shards or touch a petroglyph if no one is around. Yes, > the petroglyphs are interesting, the archaeological sites clearly add value > to the cache site. They provide a bonus to finding the cache. They were > created 600, 700, 800 years ago and in some cases much longer. I don't > know how many are in Arizona, and whatever the number I suspect others are > around but have not been found. There are a lot of archaeological sites in > Arizona. That's good because they have to last forever. Petroglyphs are > not being created any longer and everyone damaged or stolen is one less site > for the future, for ever! > > I personally don't think it is worth the risk. You won't cause any damage, > I won't, our friends probably won' t and if we can count on 95% percent of > the Geocachers to not cause any damage then I ask you this question. Who > will show that 5%, who will cause damage, where our archeological sites are? > Will they have to find them on their own, will they follow the new spider > trails, or will they find the interesting sounding sites on geocaching.com > to discover the remaining petroglyphs. > > Why place a cache on a sensitive site? The game is great, let the discovery > of the cache be the reward in and of its self. > > Thanks for your time to read this lengthy rambling response. > > Rand Hubbell > Marketing Coordinator > (602) 506-1114 > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 12 22:30:49 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 18:30:49 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Response to Jason Poulter Message-ID: <20020812223048.LSDZ1360.fed1mtao01.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Now that I have had time to cool down I would like opinions about removing "My Sign From The Past III" virtual cache site. I have mixed feelings about this but since it has impacted all of us I will go with the majority of the opinions here. One of the things I enjoy the most about geocaching is the great places that others have shown me and that was the reason for posting the cache. Randals posting was much more reasonable and intelligently written that the Az Repulsive story. WhereRWee? Ken > > From: Brian Cluff > Date: 2002/08/12 Mon PM 05:20:38 EDT > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > CC: randhubbell@mail.maricopa.gov > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Response to Jason Poulter > > Thank you for your response to Jason's letter. > You bring up sevral good points, and we at AzGeocaching would be > interested in working with you or anyone else to ensure that geocaching > is a fun safe and well respected sport. As you said 95% of geocachers > are the types that wouldn't do any harm what so ever. I personally > happen to think it's probably closer to 99%, but that still leaves 1% > that would damage sites and that is still too many. Luckily my guess > would be that 1% would tend to be too lazy to go out in the middle of > nowhere where most of the historical sites are, but thats not an excuse. > The first thing that comes to mind would be for us (AzGeocaching.com) to > setup a place for people to report abuse and list the last few people > that were in the log or whoever they suspect of causeing some sort of > damage. Then it would be easy after a few logs to see who is showing up > repetedly in the database. That would give us a fairly educated guess > as to who is doing the damage if anyone. > I would also be willing to develop software that would inform the > necessary people of a geocache that is on or too near an area that they > would prefer not to have a geocache on. I would be willing to sign any > NDA that would involve and never disclose any of the areas to the > general public. That way we can avoid any accusations in the future. > I still feel stongly that whatever damage was done to the site mentioned > in the article had nothing to do with a geocache in the area and was > purely coincidental, but that still won't stop me from ensureing that it > can't happen in the future. > > Brian Cluff > AzGeocaching.com > Team Snaptek > Geocaching since 10/08/2000 > > > On Mon, 2002-08-12 at 12:29, Rand Hubbell - PARKSX wrote: > > Jason; > > > > I would like to respond to your response to the article written by Christina > > Leonard on August 7th. I think the title of your response was > > "Archaeological Sites - Maybe They Caused the Problem Themselves?". > > > > The article that you linked to, was an article about the new trail to Willow > > Springs. If you haven't been to that area you should, particularly after we > > get some more rain. It is a year around spring that is a great oasis in the > > White Tank Mountains. > > > > Speaking for the Maricopa County Parks Department, we welcome park visitors, > > and we encourage our visitors to get out and hike our trail system. I think > > that there is a clear difference between a Park System, particularly an area > > that requires a fee to enter. And, the thousands of acres of open space > > around Arizona. > > > > In the county regional parks system we have a lot of park visitors, around > > two million each year. They pay us a fee, we provide picnic sites, ramadas > > and campsites, clean restrooms and a maintained trail system. We also have > > Interpretive Rangers, Park Police Officers, maintenance workers, etc. > > Because of the numbers of park visitors we need them to stay on the > > established trails, our trail system takes hikers, mountain bikers and > > equestrians to locations throughout our parks. To prevent the > > deterioration of the vegetation in the park and for their own safety. If > > you choose to come into a Maricopa County Park, you have to pay five dollars > > per vehicle. We provide all the services and facilities that I listed above > > and if your car is still in the parking lot when the park is closing, we > > begin a search for you. If injured or lost, we will find you and be able to > > provide first aid and eventually advanced medical care if needed. > > > > The above "Park" scenario is much different than most of the other open > > space in Arizona. Most of Arizona does not have maintained trails, does not > > the large numbers of visitors that the parks do. One of our greatest > > concerns is the spider webbing of new trails. It appears to us that > > searchers will follow a trail to a point parallel to the cache and then > > trail across country to the location. A couple of weeks of this and there > > becomes a trail or series of trails that converge near the cache. > > Non-searchers then see the trail split, or see a path leading off the trail > > or see searchers looking wonder what they see that is so interesting and > > wonder over. This then become a problem for us. If you are in a non-park > > environment, spider web trails are not an issue. If there is not a trail > > system, then light paths are not a problem. Everywhere, there are paths, > > cow paths, game trails, etc. > > > > We are asking that if a cache is placed in a Park, place within three feet > > of a designated trail. If a cache is placed near or on a sensitive site we > > acknowledge that most searchers will not intentionally cause any damage. > > The vast majority will come and go and leave only their foot prints in the > > soil. However, if people will through trash out their car window, they sure > > as heck will be up shards or touch a petroglyph if no one is around. Yes, > > the petroglyphs are interesting, the archaeological sites clearly add value > > to the cache site. They provide a bonus to finding the cache. They were > > created 600, 700, 800 years ago and in some cases much longer. I don't > > know how many are in Arizona, and whatever the number I suspect others are > > around but have not been found. There are a lot of archaeological sites in > > Arizona. That's good because they have to last forever. Petroglyphs are > > not being created any longer and everyone damaged or stolen is one less site > > for the future, for ever! > > > > I personally don't think it is worth the risk. You won't cause any damage, > > I won't, our friends probably won' t and if we can count on 95% percent of > > the Geocachers to not cause any damage then I ask you this question. Who > > will show that 5%, who will cause damage, where our archeological sites are? > > Will they have to find them on their own, will they follow the new spider > > trails, or will they find the interesting sounding sites on geocaching.com > > to discover the remaining petroglyphs. > > > > Why place a cache on a sensitive site? The game is great, let the discovery > > of the cache be the reward in and of its self. > > > > Thanks for your time to read this lengthy rambling response. > > > > Rand Hubbell > > Marketing Coordinator > > (602) 506-1114 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 12 22:58:33 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: 12 Aug 2002 15:58:33 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Response to Jason Poulter In-Reply-To: <20020812223048.LSDZ1360.fed1mtao01.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> References: <20020812223048.LSDZ1360.fed1mtao01.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <1029193113.6449.83.camel@fone.snaptek.com> On Mon, 2002-08-12 at 15:30, kenh199@cox.net wrote: > Now that I have had time to cool down I would like opinions about removing "My Sign From The Past III" virtual cache site. I have mixed feelings about this but since it has impacted all of us I will go with the majority of the opinions here. One of the things I enjoy the most about geocaching is the great places that others have shown me and that was the reason for posting the cache. Randals posting was much more reasonable and intelligently written that the Az Repulsive story. Yes, I thought it was a much more level headed reply than the article as well. The were only 2 things that I would argue with and that is that the cache itself should be the reward and that everyone is going to take the same path to the cache. I haven't really ever considered the cache as THE reward... It's "A" reward, but the new places that I am taken and the scenery that is around are the biggest reward. With that same thinking you could say that a hike itself should be the reward, but if the hiking part is the reward and the scenery or destination of the hike is not, I might as well just go to the gym and "hike" on a treadmill. As for the creating new trails... I would say that MIGHT be true for caches that are a short distance from the caches, but for caches are are a decent way off the trail people will either tend to take a game trail, a wash, or go bushwacking... either way, there is no set markers in most cases that people will automatically follow to get to the cache and therefore won't be making any new trails. Also with caches that are out of town they get a significantly less number of people going to them and I would harld think that 10-20 people a year going to a cache (and that would be high for a lot of the caches) we even have a good chance of creating a train even if they DID take the same path repetedly.... which they most likely aren't Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 12 23:32:10 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bob Renner) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 16:32:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Response to Jason Poulter In-Reply-To: <1029193113.6449.83.camel@fone.snaptek.com> Message-ID: <20020812233210.20540.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com> >From what I have seen in the off trail caches I have been to, none have shown any signs of a trail being developed. Granted, most of these I have visited earlier in their existence. However, I visited the McDowell cache twice many months apart (visitor #1 and #37). On the second visit I saw absolutely no evidence of any new trail being created. The vegetation in the area is somewhat sparse and not the type you want to push through - you tend to want to go around it. Other areas of the state likely do have areas where vegetation might become trampled by people looking for a cache. I think it is up to the cache owner to maintain caches, by either visiting them or reading the cache logs, and determine when the area is starting to show the development of trails and then archive the cache. As far as the Sign From The Past III cache, the site is marked on the USGS topo maps of the area, so I can hardly say it should be kept a secret because it ISN'T. The amount of additional traffic generated by the cache has to be small compared to general exploration of the area. If it is kept as a virtual cache, people won't be searching around moving rocks looking for a cache container. Perhaps you could give the coordinates of a suggested parking spot and ask people to please not try to drive any closer. Bob --- Brian Cluff wrote: > On Mon, 2002-08-12 at 15:30, kenh199@cox.net wrote: > > Now that I have had time to cool down I would like > opinions about removing "My Sign From The Past III" > virtual cache site. I have mixed feelings about this > but since it has impacted all of us I will go with > the majority of the opinions here. One of the things > I enjoy the most about geocaching is the great > places that others have shown me and that was the > reason for posting the cache. Randals posting was > much more reasonable and intelligently written that > the Az Repulsive story. > > Yes, I thought it was a much more level headed reply > than the article as > well. The were only 2 things that I would argue > with and that is that > the cache itself should be the reward and that > everyone is going to take > the same path to the cache. > I haven't really ever considered the cache as THE > reward... It's "A" > reward, but the new places that I am taken and the > scenery that is > around are the biggest reward. With that same > thinking you could say > that a hike itself should be the reward, but if the > hiking part is the > reward and the scenery or destination of the hike is > not, I might as > well just go to the gym and "hike" on a treadmill. > As for the creating new trails... I would say that > MIGHT be true for > caches that are a short distance from the caches, > but for caches are are > a decent way off the trail people will either tend > to take a game trail, > a wash, or go bushwacking... either way, there is no > set markers in most > cases that people will automatically follow to get > to the cache and > therefore won't be making any new trails. Also with > caches that are out > of town they get a significantly less number of > people going to them and > I would harld think that 10-20 people a year going > to a cache (and that > would be high for a lot of the caches) we even have > a good chance of > creating a train even if they DID take the same path > repetedly.... which > they most likely aren't > > Brian Cluff > Team Snaptek > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 13 02:04:15 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Cache-Quest) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 19:04:15 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] For newbie References: <001301c2421b$889e6f70$5c4fe99f@sc.co.pima.az.us> Message-ID: <004501c2426d$b9b4d660$6401a8c0@Home> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C24233.0D2CCB80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rich, I would be interested. Thanks, Jerry (Cache-Quest) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Richard Pinnell=20 To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 9:15 AM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] For newbie On another note, I spoke with Ms Leonard at length, anyone want to=20 know what was discussed, let me know, otherwise I will let the issue = rest. I would be interested in what was discussed. 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Rich,

I would be interested.

Thanks, Jerry = (Cache-Quest)

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On another note, I spoke with Ms Leonard at length, anyone = want to=20
know what was discussed, let me know, otherwise I will let the = issue=20 rest.

I would be interested in what was discussed.

Team Gizmo - Rich

------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C24233.0D2CCB80-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 13 02:43:33 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Larry Farquhar) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 19:43:33 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Thank You In-Reply-To: <005601c24000$008fd8c0$5a32a8c0@default> Message-ID: <000201c24273$370ebc20$3701a8c0@LARRY> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C24238.8AAFE420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We greatly appreciate everyone's warm thoughts and prayers on my mother passing away. It just reinforces to show what a great bunch of people you are. Thank you! Larry, Connie, Leslie, Cindy & Gidget (the K9 cacher) Team "Wyle E" ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C24238.8AAFE420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

We=20 greatly appreciate everyone's warm thoughts and prayers on my mother = passing=20 away. It just reinforces to show what a great bunch of people you=20 are.

Thank=20 you!

Larry,=20 Connie, Leslie, Cindy & Gidget (the K9 cacher)

Team=20 "Wyle E"

------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C24238.8AAFE420-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 13 03:53:46 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:53:46 EDT Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Thank You Message-ID: <19e.6dde77c.2a89dcca@aol.com> --part1_19e.6dde77c.2a89dcca_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry to hear about the loss of your mother, Larry. Our prayers are with you. Jean & Kelly- roadrunners --part1_19e.6dde77c.2a89dcca_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry to hear about the loss of your mother, Larry. Our prayers are with you.
Jean & Kelly- roadrunners --part1_19e.6dde77c.2a89dcca_boundary-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 13 04:13:41 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (patrick hopkins) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 21:13:41 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Thank You In-Reply-To: Jeakell@aol.com's message of Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:53:46 EDT Message-ID: <19828-3D588775-1167@storefull-2173.public.lawson.webtv.net> larry, we wish you and your family well. team lake havasu From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 13 04:23:35 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (patrick hopkins) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 21:23:35 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Fwd: "desert bar" Message-ID: <19825-3D5889C7-3944@storefull-2173.public.lawson.webtv.net> --WebTV-Mail-24453-1949 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit oop's wrong address ! --WebTV-Mail-24453-1949 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRt1OYtlViWZ8xUDhAgIYOb+hkCVwIUVD4mK2gnqtNnBGwulaTf34RaOuc= From: H43@webtv.net (patrick hopkins) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:28:59 -0700 (MST) To: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com Subject: "desert bar" Message-ID: <20563-3D5852CB-3967@storefull-2172.public.lawson.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) for anyone planning on visiting "THE river" (the colorado) area soon, the "desert bar" will be re-opening in a few weeks ( labor day weekend ). for its season till memorial day. weekends only, noon till dusk nearby is our GC 1A5A. this cache was visited last year by a few cachers with favorable responses. we hope to check on this cache to make sure "its ready" for visitors., and to place a few more in our area. take care, and be safe. team lake havasu, wendy, patrick, and dog --WebTV-Mail-24453-1949-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 13 04:38:01 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gloria Adams) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 21:38:01 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Logging a "Members Only" Cache Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C24248.88B161C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't geocache that often but I had the old coordinates to a cache. So I went today to the cache. Then I log on to log my find, & the cache is "Members Only". I'm not a member, how do I log the cache? Roper ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C24248.88B161C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I = don't geocache=20 that often but I had the old coordinates to a cache. So I went today to = the=20 cache. Then I log on to log my find, & the cache is "Members Only". = I'm not=20 a member, how do I log the cache?

Roper

------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C24248.88B161C0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 13 06:57:44 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (WOLFB8) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:57:44 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Logging a "Members Only" Cache References: Message-ID: <01d301c24296$bbea0940$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01D0_01C2425C.0D307860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable it may be one of mine if it is let me know and I will set it so you can = log the find Libby We will be known by the tracks we leave behind ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gloria Adams=20 To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 9:38 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Logging a "Members Only" Cache I don't geocache that often but I had the old coordinates to a cache. = So I went today to the cache. Then I log on to log my find, & the cache = is "Members Only". I'm not a member, how do I log the cache? Roper ------=_NextPart_000_01D0_01C2425C.0D307860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

it may be one of mine if it is let me = know and I=20 will set it so you can log the find

Libby

We will be known by the tracks we leave behind

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gloria=20 Adams
To: az-geocaching@lis= tserv.azgeocaching.com=20

Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 = 9:38=20 PM

Subject: [Az-Geocaching] = Logging a=20 "Members Only" Cache

I = don't geocache=20 that often but I had the old coordinates to a cache. So I went today = to the=20 cache. Then I log on to log my find, & the cache is "Members = Only". I'm=20 not a member, how do I log the cache?

Roper

------=_NextPart_000_01D0_01C2425C.0D307860-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 13 16:40:40 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bob Renner) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:40:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Response to Jason Poulter In-Reply-To: <20803E6B9ECD1D4FAE908F797534837E6BE8C3@maricopa_xcng40> Message-ID: <20020813164040.30924.qmail@web9010.mail.yahoo.com> Mr. Hubbell, I want to thank you for taking the time to respond with your comments about geocaching in Maricopa County Parks. I think we all agree that the intent of geocaching is not to destroy or damage sensitive sites, but rather to provide a form of outdoor recreation which, as one goal, tries to highlight points of scenic beauty or historical significance. It is unfortunate that some people, whether intentional or not, may cause damage to such places. At this point, I do not want to get into a debate about who has the right to see sensitive sites, whether they should be kept a secret and whether or not they should be fenced off. What I would like to do is to offer my assistance in helping you evaluate the existing geocaches in Maricopa County Parks. I think the owners of these geocaches would also welcome the chance to discuss the pros and cons of the current locations and would most likely be open to suggestions on alternate placements should such actions be necessary. I would also like to propose we come up with some method of establishing guidelines for future geocaches in Maricopa County Parks. The ideas you mentioned in your email would be a good starting point. Hopefully, we can all agree on a course of action that is beneficial to the preservation of the parks and also promotes the future of geocaching. Sincerely, Bob Renner --- Rand Hubbell - PARKSX wrote: > Jason; > > I would like to respond to your response to the > article written by Christina > Leonard on August 7th. ---- rest of message deleated ---- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 13 20:05:55 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Koch, Dan) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:05:55 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] More public land closed to access Message-ID: Except this time, it's the locals that closed it off... http://www.arizonarepublic.com/arizona/articles/0813access0813.html From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 13 20:29:52 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:29:52 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] More public land closed to access In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020813132842.00abbc00@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 01:05 PM 8/13/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Except this time, it's the locals that closed it off... > >http://www.arizonarepublic.com/arizona/articles/0813access0813.html Remember, the only problem with public land is that the public wants to use it. Are there any caches that are effected by this? In liberty, Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 13 20:48:41 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bob Renner) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:48:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] More public land closed to access In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020813132842.00abbc00@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: <20020813204841.29525.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com> No caches up there at this time. Bob --- Scott Wood wrote: > At 01:05 PM 8/13/2002 -0700, you wrote: > >Except this time, it's the locals that closed it > off... > > > >http://www.arizonarepublic.com/arizona/articles/0813access0813.html > > Remember, the only problem with public land is that > the public wants to use it. > > Are there any caches that are effected by this? > > > In liberty, > > Scott > > wood@myblueheaven.com > www.myblueheaven.com > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 14 21:33:37 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:33:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Eric/Thai Message-ID: <20020814143339.23891.h018.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Cool, Eric, but I already have baht that I saved from 1977...when it was 20 baht/dollar (5 cents each, easy to convert.) I think I have coins and paper...somewhere! I am not sure if I told you but I was in Bangkok, Chaing Mai, Mae Sariang, Chaing Rai and Hua Hin (south beach) over three months. Trisha "Lightning" "Ka thout, puht pasa Thai mai dai, mai khow jai leu-e ka." (hard to write another language phoenetically in our alphabet, huh?) On Sat, 10 August 2002, Eric Quinn wrote: > > Anyone who likes Thai money should go hunt Libby's > cache: A Park with a History. I placed a 5 Baht coin > in there this morning. > > Heh, maybe that'll draw Trisha into Phoenix. > > > Eric > TD > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Although no one can go back and make a brand new start, Anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 15 19:17:55 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jason Poulter) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:17:55 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Things That Make You Say, Hmmmmmmmm....... Message-ID: <3D5BFE63.9060307@snaptek.com> check out these articles and the Phoenix New Times http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/webextra/media/2002-08-15/spiked.pdf http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/webextra/media/2002-08-15/memo.html From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 15 20:35:46 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Justin Sever) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:35:46 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Things That Make You Say, Hmmmmmmmm....... In-Reply-To: <3D5BFE63.9060307@snaptek.com> Message-ID: <000801c2449b$55853c90$0200a8c0@laptop7500> Very interesting articles, the spiked article especially. Thanks for sending them our way. -Frobro Goose -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Jason Poulter Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 12:18 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Things That Make You Say, Hmmmmmmmm....... check out these articles and the Phoenix New Times http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/webextra/media/2002-08-15/spiked.pdf http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/webextra/media/2002-08-15/memo.html _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 15 22:12:01 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:12:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Thank You Message-ID: <20020815151201.5592.h005.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> I'm very sorry to hear about your mom, Larry and Connie & kids. Losing a family member is so tough, I pray that you will take the time to heal. I think I speak in general for all when I say that your geocaching "family" hurts a bit with you. Trisha Lightning On Mon, 12 August 2002, "Larry Farquhar" wrote:

Message

We greatly appreciate everyone's warm thoughts and prayers on my mother passing away. It just reinforces to show what a great bunch of people you are.

Thank you!

Larry, Connie, Leslie, Cindy & Gidget (the K9 cacher)

Team "Wyle E"

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Although no one can go back and
make a brand new start,
Anyone can start from now and
make a brand new ending."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 16 01:12:42 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Larry Farquhar) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:12:42 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another TERCENTENNIAL? In-Reply-To: <20020805150037.10472.h015.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: <000a01c244c2$05d31920$3701a8c0@LARRY> Do I see that RopingtheWind recently broke 300 found caches? Wasn't it just a few days ago they broke 200? Congratulations Scott! Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 16 05:23:21 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Nicol) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:23:21 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another TERCENTENNIAL? Message-ID: >From: "Larry Farquhar" >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >To: >Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another TERCENTENNIAL? >Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:12:42 -0700 > >Do I see that RopingtheWind recently broke 300 found caches? Wasn't it >just a few days ago they broke 200? > >Congratulations Scott! > >Larry Farquhar >Team "Wyle E" >www.happy-wanderers.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Howdy All, Thanks Larry! It does seem like my second and then 3rd 100 caches went quicker than the first. Not sure if that is so or not. Have not really looked at the numbers that way to see. But, seems that way. I am well on my way to 400 thanks to the Chicks W/Trucks hiding a bunch of new caches! :) LOL I will not get any caches in the next almost 3 weeks as I will be on the road with the balloon. So, my August numbers are going to suffer a bit! But, I am sure there will be A LOT of 'caching' up to do when we get home on Sept. 4th! We are hoping to hit a few of the SE Arizona caches nearest I-10 on our way home from Texas. We might even try for a few of the quicker Tucson urban caches on our way home as well. Just depends on the timing and when we are coming back thru there. Hopefully, get a few anyways. Also... when we get home and catch up with some of the new caches... we will take the first available weekend morning (well, it could take a whole day!) to place our first cache! (PS... Gordon/Coyote1022... Thanks again for the offer. I will hit you up on your offer when I get back, I have been a bit busy the last couple of days and couldn't make it over there). So, everyone keep your eyes peeled for Ropingthewind's 1st cache placement in September!!! :) :) :) YEHAW! We aim to not disappoint! (there will be a private ribbon cutting ceremony at the cache site amongst team members present to not only dedicate the moment of our first cache hide, but to also honor what will likely become a long standing record of the most cache finds before hiding a cache!!! LOL ). C'yall when we get back! :) Scott Team Ropingthewind Official web site of Team Ropingthewind http://www.safwp.bravepages.com/geocaching.html _________________________________________________________________ Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 16 19:55:33 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:55:33 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] State trust permits. Message-ID: I subscribe to listserv, but this is the first time I've wanted to post anything. Just renewed my State Trust Lands permit. I'd like everyone to know that it can be very expensive to get caught on Turst land without a permit. The lady at the permit office told us of one guy who recently was fined $1600 for no permit. He was able to talk the judge down to $400 when he showed up in court with a permit that he purchased before his court date. A one year permit is only $15 for a single or $20 for a family. For what it worth..... GeoRaptor From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 16 22:11:20 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (WOLFB8) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:11:20 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] State trust permits. References: Message-ID: <005d01c24571$db2bd8a0$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C24537.2D3A2BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Talked to the folks at REI today and az geocacher are invited to take = part in this.... Is any one interested in talking about geocaching?????? = what do you think about making it into a event cache REI Club Day @ Paradise Valley Once again REI Club Day is here. On September 21st from 10am to 4pm join us in welcoming clubs, groups and organizations from all over Arizona that have one thing in common - their love for the outdoors. So if you are interested in finding a hiking club, learning more about the southwest, or you want to be more active with an environmental organization that is fighting to protect someplace dear to your heart, this is the event for you. Here are just a few of the groups attending this event; Arizona Bicycle Club, Arizona Outdoor and Travel Club, Arizona Trail Association, Backcountry Hiking Club, Canyon Rio Rafting, Greater Phoenix Orienteering Club, K9 Hiking Club of AZ, McDowell Sonoran Land Trust, Sierra Club, SWEAT Magazine, Southwest Rivers and many more. * September 21st @ REI Paradise Valley * 10am to 4pm We will be known by the tracks we leave behind ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C24537.2D3A2BA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Talked to the folks at REI today and az = geocacher=20 are invited to take part in this.... Is any one interested in talking = about=20 geocaching?????? what do you think about making it into a event=20 cache

REI Club Day @=20 Paradise Valley
Once again REI Club Day is here. On September 21st = from 10am=20 to 4pm join
us in welcoming clubs, groups and organizations from all = over=20 Arizona
that have one thing in common - their love for the outdoors. = So if=20 you
are interested in finding a hiking club, learning more about=20 the
southwest, or you want to be more active with an=20 environmental
organization that is fighting to protect someplace dear = to your=20 heart,
this is the event for you. Here are just a few of the groups=20 attending
this event; Arizona Bicycle Club, Arizona Outdoor and = Travel=20 Club,
Arizona Trail Association, Backcountry Hiking Club, Canyon Rio=20 Rafting,
Greater Phoenix Orienteering Club, K9 Hiking Club of AZ,=20 McDowell
Sonoran Land Trust, Sierra Club, SWEAT Magazine, Southwest = Rivers=20 and
many more.
* September 21st @ REI Paradise Valley
* 10am to = 4pm

We will be known by the tracks we leave = behind

------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C24537.2D3A2BA0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 16 22:22:39 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Eric Quinn) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:22:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Trash Message-ID: <20020816222239.43007.qmail@web13114.mail.yahoo.com> I know that this topic has been beaten to death on the main boards but I haven't noticed a problem in the Phoenix area with cache trash. Sure, we often run across McToys but today I checked on one of my two new caches and found a very dirty old golf ball and a non-new tennis ball. The tennis ball might be appropriate in a pet specific cache but I can't see why someone would put an old golf ball in. Has anyone else noticed a problem? Eric __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 16 22:36:15 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jim Scotti) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:36:15 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Trash In-Reply-To: <20020816222239.43007.qmail@web13114.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hmmm, when I put golf balls in a cache, I usually put a fresh sleeve of 3 new golf balls in, not one old grungy one..... What kind of ball was it? An old Titleist wouldn't be so bad.... Of course, my dog doesn't chase golfballs, but she loves tennis balls. Jim. On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Eric Quinn wrote: > I know that this topic has been beaten to death on the > main boards but I haven't noticed a problem in the > Phoenix area with cache trash. Sure, we often run > across McToys but today I checked on one of my two new > caches and found a very dirty old golf ball and a > non-new tennis ball. The tennis ball might be > appropriate in a pet specific cache but I can't see > why someone would put an old golf ball in. > > Has anyone else noticed a problem? > > > Eric > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > Jim Scotti Lunar & Planetary Laboratory jscotti@pirl.lpl.arizona.edu University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 USA http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 16 23:51:19 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bob Renner) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 16:51:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] REI Club Day @ Paradise Valley In-Reply-To: <005d01c24571$db2bd8a0$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <20020816235119.39067.qmail@web9008.mail.yahoo.com> Looks like a good idea. I would be there except I already have plans to do a backpack hike into Reavis Ranch in the Superstitions that weekend. The apples in the orchard should be ripe. Bob Renner --- WOLFB8 wrote: > Talked to the folks at REI today and az geocacher > are invited to take part in this.... Is any one > interested in talking about geocaching?????? what do > you think about making it into a event cache > > > REI Club Day @ Paradise Valley > Once again REI Club Day is here. On September 21st > from 10am to 4pm join > us in welcoming clubs, groups and organizations from > all over Arizona > that have one thing in common - their love for the > outdoors. So if you > are interested in finding a hiking club, learning > more about the > southwest, or you want to be more active with an > environmental > organization that is fighting to protect someplace > dear to your heart, > this is the event for you. Here are just a few of > the groups attending > this event; Arizona Bicycle Club, Arizona Outdoor > and Travel Club, > Arizona Trail Association, Backcountry Hiking Club, > Canyon Rio Rafting, > Greater Phoenix Orienteering Club, K9 Hiking Club of > AZ, McDowell > Sonoran Land Trust, Sierra Club, SWEAT Magazine, > Southwest Rivers and > many more. > * September 21st @ REI Paradise Valley > * 10am to 4pm > > We will be known by the tracks we leave behind > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 17 00:12:19 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Eric Quinn) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 17:12:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Trash In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020817001219.83917.qmail@web13105.mail.yahoo.com> Well, this particular ball is a Pinnacle practice ball. I wouldn't be complaining about finding a new ball, Titleist or not. Eric --- Jim Scotti wrote: > Hmmm, when I put golf balls in a cache, I > usuallyput a fresh sleeve of 3 new > golf balls in, not one old grungy one..... > What kind of ball was it? An old > Titleist wouldn't be so bad.... Of course, > my dog doesn't chase golfballs, > but she loves tennis balls. > > Jim. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 17 00:46:37 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 17:46:37 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Trash In-Reply-To: <20020817001219.83917.qmail@web13105.mail.yahoo.com> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020816174422.02a81390@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 05:12 PM 8/16/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Well, this particular ball is a Pinnacle practice >ball. I wouldn't be complaining about finding a new >ball, Titleist or not. Some time in the past there was a thread over on the geocaching.com forums about how mad someone was because he was finding new golf balls in geocaching. If I remember right, he wasn't a golfer and had no idea what new golf balls cost. I for one am glad that Team Scotti have been leaving new sleeves of golf balls in his caches, even though I traded something for them so I didn't really save any money, I did save time by not having to buy golf balls the next time out. :-) In liberty, Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 17 01:09:30 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 18:09:30 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Collateral Damage Message-ID: <001701c2458a$be4bd780$026fa8c0@OUR> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C24550.11ECFF80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I assume this is how the rumor mill works once unsubstantiated allegations are published as fact: We've just returned from a camping trip in the White Mountains. We were going to try for a few caches there, and asked some folks there if they'd like to join us. Their reply: "Oh, no! We wouldn't do that. We heard all about geocaching, and we heard the government is going to outlaw it!" Steve Team Tierra Buena "Freedom of the press is guaranteed only to those who own one." -- A. J. Liebling ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C24550.11ECFF80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

I = assume this is=20 how the rumor mill works once unsubstantiated allegations are published = as=20 fact:

We've = just=20 returned from a camping trip in the White Mountains. We were going to = try for a=20 few caches there, and asked some folks there if they'd like to join us. = Their=20 reply: "Oh, no! We wouldn't do that. We heard all about geocaching, and = we heard=20 the government is going to outlaw it!"

Steve

Team = Tierra=20 Buena

"Freedom of the=20 press is guaranteed only to those who own one." -- A. J.=20 Liebling

------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C24550.11ECFF80-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 17 02:19:58 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jim Stamm) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 19:19:58 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] CONTOUR Spacecraft was lost, then....... Message-ID: <0H0Y00BS3UGWRD@mtaout01.icomcast.net> I know this is OT, but interesting never-the-less: > >On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Ed Cannon wrote: > >> "CONTOUR Spacecraft Possibly Destroyed, NASA Says" >> >> "... [CONTOUR Mission Director Robert] Farquhar said late Friday that >> images from a ground-based telescope of two unknown objects about 250 >> kilometers apart appeared to be pieces of the comet-chasing craft. He >> said more investigation was needed to confirm the suspicion and that a >> concerted search effort would continue at least through Monday in the >> meantime. ... >> >> "In a teleconference with reporters Friday evening, Farquhar said the >> craft's engines had almost certainly fired and that it was no longer >> in Earth orbit." >> >> Source: >> >> http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/contour_telecon_020816.html > > Then, one of ours posted: > >As the observer who got the images of the spacecraft, it's certainly a sad >day for comet research. Our images (in the following URL) show two trails >rather than the one expected, so something catastrophic must have happened. >Previous spacecraft, like NEAR had two trails as well as the booster was >ejected, but I guess that was not supposed to happen to CONTOUR. I wonder >what the two pieces are? The spacecraft was at about the -3% of from nominal >burn location, so the engine burn was completed or nearly so. > >http://spacewatch.lpl.arizona.edu/contour.html >http://spacewatch.lpl.arizona.edu/Jeff/contour.jpg > >The first URL describes the image, the second is the image. The spacecraft >is in a very dense star field near the Galactic plane, so in order to see it, >I subtracted the 2nd image from the first so the first image is the white >pair, the second is the dark pair and the residual signal from the field >stars appear as conjoined black/white pairs since they don't perfectly >subtract out. > >Jim Scotti >Lunar & Planetary Laboratory jscotti@pirl.lpl.arizona.edu >University of Arizona >Tucson, AZ 85721 USA http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/ > >----------------------------------------------------------------- >Unsubscribe from SeeSat-L by sending a message with 'unsubscribe' >in the SUBJECT to SeeSat-L-request@lists.satellite.eu.org >http://www.satellite.eu.org/seesat/seesatindex.html From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 17 03:28:35 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jim Scotti) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 20:28:35 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Trash In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020816174422.02a81390@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Scott Wood wrote: > I for one am glad that Team Scotti have been leaving new sleeves of golf > balls in his caches, even though I traded something for them so I didn't > really save any money, I did save time by not having to buy golf balls the > next time out. :-) The real problem I'm having is figuring out how to squeeae a sleeve of golfballs into one of those Altoid Tin urban caches.... :-) Jim. Jim Scotti Lunar & Planetary Laboratory jscotti@pirl.lpl.arizona.edu University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 USA http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 17 03:49:21 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jim Scotti) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 20:49:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] CONTOUR Spacecraft was lost, then....... In-Reply-To: <0H0Y00BS3UGWRD@mtaout01.icomcast.net> Message-ID: I hear this spacecraft failure is being blamed on geocaching after a local park official found a suspicious tupperware container marked with the geocaching website only 7.6 miles from the launch pad.... Seriously, it's too bad it looks like the CONTOUR spacecraft has been lost. It was a great opportunity to learn more about comets. Unfortunately, we have not yet perfected spaceflight - when we do, I'll look forward to geocaching on Mars! Jim. On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Jim Stamm wrote: > I know this is OT, but interesting never-the-less: > > > >On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Ed Cannon wrote: > > > >> "CONTOUR Spacecraft Possibly Destroyed, NASA Says" > >> > >> "... [CONTOUR Mission Director Robert] Farquhar said late Friday that > >> images from a ground-based telescope of two unknown objects about 250 > >> kilometers apart appeared to be pieces of the comet-chasing craft. He > >> said more investigation was needed to confirm the suspicion and that a > >> concerted search effort would continue at least through Monday in the > >> meantime. ... > >> > >> "In a teleconference with reporters Friday evening, Farquhar said the > >> craft's engines had almost certainly fired and that it was no longer > >> in Earth orbit." > >> > >> Source: > >> > >> http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/contour_telecon_020816.html > > > > > Then, one of ours posted: > > > >As the observer who got the images of the spacecraft, it's certainly a sad > >day for comet research. Our images (in the following URL) show two trails > >rather than the one expected, so something catastrophic must have happened. > >Previous spacecraft, like NEAR had two trails as well as the booster was > >ejected, but I guess that was not supposed to happen to CONTOUR. I wonder > >what the two pieces are? The spacecraft was at about the -3% of from nominal > >burn location, so the engine burn was completed or nearly so. > > > >http://spacewatch.lpl.arizona.edu/contour.html > >http://spacewatch.lpl.arizona.edu/Jeff/contour.jpg > > > >The first URL describes the image, the second is the image. The spacecraft > >is in a very dense star field near the Galactic plane, so in order to see it, > >I subtracted the 2nd image from the first so the first image is the white > >pair, the second is the dark pair and the residual signal from the field > >stars appear as conjoined black/white pairs since they don't perfectly > >subtract out. > > > >Jim Scotti > >Lunar & Planetary Laboratory jscotti@pirl.lpl.arizona.edu > >University of Arizona > >Tucson, AZ 85721 USA http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/ > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------- > >Unsubscribe from SeeSat-L by sending a message with 'unsubscribe' > >in the SUBJECT to SeeSat-L-request@lists.satellite.eu.org > >http://www.satellite.eu.org/seesat/seesatindex.html > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > Jim Scotti Lunar & Planetary Laboratory jscotti@pirl.lpl.arizona.edu University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 USA http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 17 03:56:48 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 20:56:48 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Wow! Check Out THIS Cache! Message-ID: <002301c245a2$1d2b2320$026fa8c0@OUR> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C24567.70CC4B20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=32825 What a great idea! There are some problems with the cache as it's currently described, not the least of which is the conflict with the Campout event cache. I've sent a note to Kristy Miller letting her know about the conflict, and a couple of other items I thought might be clarified. I've also offered to work with her or the museum if they need any help with it. I'd love to see this be something that gets huge attendance, particularly from the Phoenix area cachers. I'm also hoping that perhaps they can change the date so it doesn't fall on the holiday weekend. I wonder if the Republic would cover it? Steve Team Tierra Buena ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C24567.70CC4B20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

http= ://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=3D32825

What a = great idea!=20 There are some problems with the cache as it's currently described, not = the=20 least of which is the conflict with the Campout event cache. I've sent a = note to=20 Kristy Miller letting her know about the conflict, and a couple of other = items I=20 thought might be clarified. I've also offered to work with her or the = museum if=20 they need any help with it.

I'd = love to see=20 this be something that gets huge attendance, particularly from the = Phoenix area=20 cachers. I'm also hoping that perhaps they can change the date so it = doesn't=20 fall on the holiday weekend. I wonder if the Republic would = cover=20 it?

Steve

Team = Tierra=20 Buena

------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C24567.70CC4B20-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 17 04:45:43 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 21:45:43 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Wow! Check Out THIS Cache! References: <002301c245a2$1d2b2320$026fa8c0@OUR> Message-ID: <005701c245a8$f25f9d90$91f50244@cx301817d> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C2456E.45D17830 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageI don't see the date posted anywhere? Is it the 31st? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Team Tierra Buena=20 To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 8:56 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Wow! Check Out THIS Cache! http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=3D32825 What a great idea! There are some problems with the cache as it's = currently described, not the least of which is the conflict with the = Campout event cache. I've sent a note to Kristy Miller letting her know = about the conflict, and a couple of other items I thought might be = clarified. I've also offered to work with her or the museum if they need = any help with it. I'd love to see this be something that gets huge attendance, = particularly from the Phoenix area cachers. I'm also hoping that perhaps = they can change the date so it doesn't fall on the holiday weekend. I = wonder if the Republic would cover it? Steve Team Tierra Buena ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C2456E.45D17830 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

I don't see the date posted anywhere? = Is it the=20 31st?

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Team Tierra Buena =
To: az-geocaching@lis= tserv.azgeocaching.com=20

Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 = 8:56=20 PM

Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Wow! = Check Out=20 THIS Cache!

http= ://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=3D32825

What = a great=20 idea! There are some problems with the cache as it's currently = described, not=20 the least of which is the conflict with the Campout event cache. I've = sent a=20 note to Kristy Miller letting her know about the conflict, and a = couple of=20 other items I thought might be clarified. I've also offered to work = with her=20 or the museum if they need any help with it.

I'd = love to see=20 this be something that gets huge attendance, particularly from the = Phoenix=20 area cachers. I'm also hoping that perhaps they can change the date so = it=20 doesn't fall on the holiday weekend. I wonder if the Republic = would=20 cover it?

Steve

Team = Tierra=20 Buena

------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C2456E.45D17830-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 17 04:53:57 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Chelby Geiss) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 21:53:57 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Wow! Check Out THIS Cache! In-Reply-To: <002301c245a2$1d2b2320$026fa8c0@OUR> Message-ID: <56EF3DC4-B19D-11D6-A7BD-000393545682@desertsol.com> http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=32825 AH! You guys beat me to the punch here! I have been working with Kristy to develop this cache! I was going to post about it this evening! Shouldn't you guys be out on a Friday night?!?!?:) Kevin and I are going to be on hand along with Kristy and husband Brain (they make up Team Hi*Fi) and a couple museum workers with GPS's to take any non-GPS people around and let them try out our units. We've been trying to get this together for a couple months and the date was already set when I heard about the campout:( Major bummer there! But I'm sure Kristy would be more than happy to have a few more cachers on hand to take John Q. Public around on the grounds! Kristy is hoping this will be the first of many events like this! She knows that we need good press and this couldn't have come at a better time! BTW, she's an archaeologist/geocacher (a rare breed!). She has really had to fight with some people (even before the article in the Republic) to get this event to happen. It is going to be a good one! So PLEASE stop by!!! This is a little funny story that Kristy just passed along to me. One guy called to ask details about the event. Kristy is trying to explain what a GPS is and he says "Oh yeah! I have one of those in my car!" We're just imagining these SUV's and luxury vehicles driving around the grounds trying to find the coordinates! She had to explain that the one in his car wouldn't work for this application!:) So come on out and say hi! It's a wonderful museum if you have never been! C:) Team desertSol Chelby & Kevin + Kiva and Lancer (German Shepherds) Apache Junction, AZ www.desertsol.com/~chelby/geocaching From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 17 04:56:09 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Chelby Geiss) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 21:56:09 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Wow! Check Out THIS Cache! In-Reply-To: <005701c245a8$f25f9d90$91f50244@cx301817d> Message-ID: BTW...yes it is August 31st. Team desertSol Chelby & Kevin + Kiva and Lancer (German Shepherds) Apache Junction, AZ www.desertsol.com/~chelby/geocaching From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 17 05:28:23 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:28:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] CONTOUR Spacecraft was lost, then....... Message-ID: <20020816222830.22334.h005.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> The story was on the news (ch 12) tonight, when they said that (nobody could find the spacecraft) until "observers" on Kitt Peak located it, I thought immediately of you, Jim, and was hoping to see an on the air interview! Trisha "Lightning" waiting for transporter technology to be perfected....or Warp drive first! On Fri, 16 August 2002, Jim Scotti wrote: > > I hear this spacecraft failure is being blamed on geocaching after a > local > park official found a suspicious tupperware container marked with the > geocaching website only 7.6 miles from the launch pad.... > > Seriously, it's too bad it looks like the CONTOUR spacecraft has been > lost. > It was a great opportunity to learn more about comets. Unfortunately, > we > have not yet perfected spaceflight - when we do, I'll look forward to > geocaching on Mars! > > Jim. > > On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Jim Stamm wrote: > > > I know this is OT, but interesting never-the-less: > > > > > >On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Ed Cannon wrote: > > > > > >> "CONTOUR Spacecraft Possibly Destroyed, NASA Says" > > >> > > >> "... [CONTOUR Mission Director Robert] Farquhar said late Friday > that > > >> images from a ground-based telescope of two unknown objects about > 250 > > >> kilometers apart appeared to be pieces of the comet-chasing > craft. He > > >> said more investigation was needed to confirm the suspicion and > that a > > >> concerted search effort would continue at least through Monday in > the > > >> meantime. ... > > >> > > >> "In a teleconference with reporters Friday evening, Farquhar said > the > > >> craft's engines had almost certainly fired and that it was no > longer > > >> in Earth orbit." > > >> > > >> Source: > > >> > > >> http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/contour_telecon_020816.html > > > > > > > > Then, one of ours posted: > > > > > >As the observer who got the images of the spacecraft, it's > certainly a sad > > >day for comet research. Our images (in the following URL) show two > trails > > >rather than the one expected, so something catastrophic must have > happened. > > >Previous spacecraft, like NEAR had two trails as well as the > booster was > > >ejected, but I guess that was not supposed to happen to CONTOUR. I > wonder > > >what the two pieces are? The spacecraft was at about the -3% of > from nominal > > >burn location, so the engine burn was completed or nearly so. > > > > > >http://spacewatch.lpl.arizona.edu/contour.html > > >http://spacewatch.lpl.arizona.edu/Jeff/contour.jpg > > > > > >The first URL describes the image, the second is the image. The > spacecraft > > >is in a very dense star field near the Galactic plane, so in order > to see it, > > >I subtracted the 2nd image from the first so the first image is the > white > > >pair, the second is the dark pair and the residual signal from the > field > > >stars appear as conjoined black/white pairs since they don't > perfectly > > >subtract out. > > > > > >Jim Scotti > > >Lunar & Planetary Laboratory jscotti@pirl.lpl.arizona.edu > > >University of Arizona > > >Tucson, AZ 85721 USA > http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/ > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------- > > >Unsubscribe from SeeSat-L by sending a message with 'unsubscribe' > > >in the SUBJECT to SeeSat-L-request@lists.satellite.eu.org > > >http://www.satellite.eu.org/seesat/seesatindex.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list > > listserv@azgeocaching.com > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > Jim Scotti > Lunar & Planetary Laboratory jscotti@pirl.lpl.arizona.edu > University of Arizona > Tucson, AZ 85721 USA > http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/ > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Although no one can go back and make a brand new start, Anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 17 05:36:54 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jim Scotti) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:36:54 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] CONTOUR Spacecraft was lost, then....... In-Reply-To: <20020816222830.22334.h005.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: Yeah, Channel 4 down here in Tucson had a story on it too, but they gave sole credit for the observations to Kitt Peak. No mention of LPL or the UofA or Spacewatch. I don't work for Kitt Peak, I just work ON Kitt Peak. I'll have to ask some of my friends who work for Kitt Peak how they managed those observations.... :-) I talked to one reporter today and I know my colleagues have also been talking to the press. Sure hope the spacecraft is still alive, but it doesn't look good. Jim. On Fri, 16 Aug 2002 trisha@brasher.com wrote: > The story was on the news (ch 12) tonight, when they said that (nobody > could find the spacecraft) until "observers" on Kitt Peak located it, > I thought immediately of you, Jim, and was hoping to see an on the air > interview! > > Trisha "Lightning" > > waiting for transporter technology to be perfected....or Warp drive > first! > > > On Fri, 16 August 2002, Jim Scotti wrote: > > > > > I hear this spacecraft failure is being blamed on geocaching after a > > local > > park official found a suspicious tupperware container marked with the > > geocaching website only 7.6 miles from the launch pad.... > > > > Seriously, it's too bad it looks like the CONTOUR spacecraft has been > > lost. > > It was a great opportunity to learn more about comets. > Unfortunately, > > we > > have not yet perfected spaceflight - when we do, I'll look forward to > > geocaching on Mars! > > > > Jim. > > > > On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Jim Stamm wrote: > > > > > I know this is OT, but interesting never-the-less: > > > > > > > >On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Ed Cannon wrote: > > > > > > > >> "CONTOUR Spacecraft Possibly Destroyed, NASA > Says" > > > >> > > > >> "... [CONTOUR Mission Director Robert] Farquhar > said late Friday > > that > > > >> images from a ground-based telescope of two unknown > objects about > > 250 > > > >> kilometers apart appeared to be pieces of the > comet-chasing > > craft. He > > > >> said more investigation was needed to confirm the > suspicion and > > that a > > > >> concerted search effort would continue at least > through Monday in > > the > > > >> meantime. ... > > > >> > > > >> "In a teleconference with reporters Friday > evening, Farquhar said > > the > > > >> craft's engines had almost certainly fired and that it > was no > > longer > > > >> in Earth orbit." > > > >> > > > >> Source: > > > >> > > > >> href="http://mail.brasher.com//jump/http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/contour_telecon_020816.html">http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/contour_telecon_020816.html > > > > > > > > > > > Then, one of ours posted: > > > > > > > >As the observer who got the images of the spacecraft, it's > > certainly a sad > > > >day for comet research. Our images (in the following URL) > show two > > trails > > > >rather than the one expected, so something catastrophic > must have > > happened. > > > >Previous spacecraft, like NEAR had two trails as well as the > > booster was > > > >ejected, but I guess that was not supposed to happen to > CONTOUR. I > > wonder > > > >what the two pieces are? The spacecraft was at about the > -3% of > > from nominal > > > >burn location, so the engine burn was completed or nearly > so. > > > > > > > > href="http://mail.brasher.com//jump/http://spacewatch.lpl.arizona.edu/contour.html">http://spacewatch.lpl.arizona.edu/contour.html > > > > href="http://mail.brasher.com//jump/http://spacewatch.lpl.arizona.edu/Jeff/contour.jpg">http://spacewatch.lpl.arizona.edu/Jeff/contour.jpg > > > > > > > >The first URL describes the image, the second is the image. > The > > spacecraft > > > >is in a very dense star field near the Galactic plane, so > in order > > to see it, > > > >I subtracted the 2nd image from the first so the first > image is the > > white > > > >pair, the second is the dark pair and the residual signal > from the > > field > > > >stars appear as conjoined black/white pairs since they don't > > perfectly > > > >subtract out. > > > > > > > >Jim Scotti > > > >Lunar & Planetary Laboratory > jscotti@pirl.lpl.arizona.edu > > > >University of Arizona > > > >Tucson, AZ 85721 USA > > href="http://mail.brasher.com//jump/http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti">http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/ > > > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >Unsubscribe from SeeSat-L by sending a message with > 'unsubscribe' > > > >in the SUBJECT to SeeSat-L-request@lists.satellite.eu.org > > > > href="http://mail.brasher.com//jump/http://www.satellite.eu.org/seesat/seesatindex.html">http://www.satellite.eu.org/seesat/seesatindex.html > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list > > > listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > href="http://mail.brasher.com//jump/http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching">http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > href="http://mail.brasher.com//jump/http://www.azgeocaching.com">http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > Jim Scotti > > Lunar & Planetary Laboratory > jscotti@pirl.lpl.arizona.edu > > University of Arizona > > Tucson, AZ 85721 USA > > href="http://mail.brasher.com//jump/http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti">http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list > > listserv@azgeocaching.com > > href="http://mail.brasher.com//jump/http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching">http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > href="http://mail.brasher.com//jump/http://www.azgeocaching.com">http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > "Although no one can go back and > make a brand new start, > Anyone can start from now and > make a brand new ending." > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > Jim Scotti Lunar & Planetary Laboratory jscotti@pirl.lpl.arizona.edu University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 USA http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 17 05:41:42 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:41:42 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Wow! Check Out THIS Cache! References: Message-ID: <003d01c245b0$c4f5d100$6528b83f@fishkiller> Um gotta love those coordinates I would hate to drive to them then to the Museum on the same day....or does the Kaibab somehow run near the Red Mountian???? Could the camp out weekend change??? Team Evil Fish ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chelby Geiss" To: Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Wow! Check Out THIS Cache! > BTW...yes it is August 31st. > > > Team desertSol > Chelby & Kevin > + > Kiva and Lancer (German Shepherds) > Apache Junction, AZ > www.desertsol.com/~chelby/geocaching > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 17 05:42:50 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:42:50 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Wow! Check Out THIS Cache! References: Message-ID: <00a601c245b0$ece5f7d0$91f50244@cx301817d> Would love to go but already have plans for the holiday weekend. Maybe she could stretch it out for the weekends through the month of September. Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chelby Geiss" To: Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Wow! Check Out THIS Cache! > BTW...yes it is August 31st. > > > Team desertSol > Chelby & Kevin > + > Kiva and Lancer (German Shepherds) > Apache Junction, AZ > www.desertsol.com/~chelby/geocaching > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 17 05:47:24 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:47:24 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Wow! Check Out THIS Cache! In-Reply-To: <56EF3DC4-B19D-11D6-A7BD-000393545682@desertsol.com> Message-ID: <002c01c245b1$902e8150$026fa8c0@OUR> > AH! You guys beat me to the punch here! I have been working with > Kristy to develop this cache! I was going to post about it this > evening! Shouldn't you guys be out on a Friday night?!?!?:) Sorry I stole your thunder, Chelby. You're right. I *should* be out on a Friday night. But I'm married. > This is a little funny story that Kristy just passed along to > me. One > guy called to ask details about the event. Kristy is trying > to explain > what a GPS is and he says "Oh yeah! I have one of those in my car!" > We're just imagining these SUV's and luxury vehicles driving > around the > grounds trying to find the coordinates! She had to explain that the > one in his car wouldn't work for this application!:) My steenkin'-rich-Dallas-surgeon-brother-in-law asked me for a list of caches in his area that he could do from the GPS in his SUV... Ever since, I've tried to figure out a way I could get away with velcroing an Altoids tin under the shelf of a McDonald's drive-through window. Steve Team Tierra Buena From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 17 05:52:44 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Chelby Geiss) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:52:44 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Wow! Check Out THIS Cache! In-Reply-To: <00a601c245b0$ece5f7d0$91f50244@cx301817d> Message-ID: <8CAC01A7-B1A5-11D6-A7BD-000393545682@desertsol.com> Hey! You can visit the museum anytime! Doesn't have to be just on that weekend. Its a very small museum and they just don't have the manpower to run this every weekend due to other programs scheduled. Yeah, she has a typo in the coordinates. She's going to fix it! They should be: N 33 26.738 W 111� 59.071 Team desertSol Chelby & Kevin + Kiva and Lancer (German Shepherds) Apache Junction, AZ www.desertsol.com/~chelby/geocaching From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 17 09:44:30 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Eric Quinn) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 02:44:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Wow! Check Out THIS Cache! In-Reply-To: <8CAC01A7-B1A5-11D6-A7BD-000393545682@desertsol.com> Message-ID: <20020817094430.71004.qmail@web13101.mail.yahoo.com> I think the original question was more of a hint that the date selected is the same weekend as the campout. Eric Team Dragon --- Chelby Geiss wrote: > Hey! You can visit the museum anytime! Doesn't > have to be just on that weekend. Its a very small > museum and they just don't have the manpower > to run this every weekend due to other programs > scheduled. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 17 16:04:08 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 09:04:08 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] The problem with public land Message-ID: <000a01c24607$b9001160$f328b83f@fishkiller> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C245CD.0B6B7880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I saw this today and thought what will be next=20 http://msn.espn.go.com/outdoors/conservation/news/2002/0809/1416254.html if taking a picture is harassment. Team Evil Fish ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C245CD.0B6B7880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I saw this today and thought what will = be next=20

http://msn.espn.go.com/outdoors/conservation/news/2002/0809/1416= 254.html

if taking a picture is = harassment.

Team Evil = Fish

------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C245CD.0B6B7880-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 17 16:33:56 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jan Allbright) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 09:33:56 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] The problem with public land In-Reply-To: <000a01c24607$b9001160$f328b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: <001801c2460b$e2d8f890$561b150a@earthdog> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C245D1.367A2090 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit no... getting within 25 yards is harassment and not all that bright either -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Regan Smith Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 09:04 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] The problem with public land I saw this today and thought what will be next http://msn.espn.go.com/outdoors/conservation/news/2002/0809/1416254.html if taking a picture is harassment. Team Evil Fish ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C245D1.367A2090 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

no...=20 getting within 25 yards is harassment

and=20 not all that bright either

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of=20 Regan Smith
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 = 09:04
To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] The = problem with=20 public land

I saw this today and thought what = will be next=20

http://msn.espn.go.com/outdoors/conservation/news/2002/0809/1416= 254.html

if taking a picture is = harassment.

Team Evil=20 Fish

------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C245D1.367A2090-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 17 16:55:54 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 09:55:54 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] The problem with public land In-Reply-To: <000a01c24607$b9001160$f328b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: <001f01c2460e$f38ebe60$1e01a8c0@connie> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C245D4.472FE660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I say this guy got what he deserves. If you have ever been to Yellowstone you would see how stupid people are. These are wild animals and they walk right up to them thinking it is a petting zoo or something. We were there a few years ago and people were blocking the roads to get out of their cars to look for a bear that had been spotted. --Connie Team "Wyle E" -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Regan Smith Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 9:04 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] The problem with public land I saw this today and thought what will be next http://msn.espn.go.com/outdoors/conservation/news/2002/0809/1416254.html if taking a picture is harassment. Team Evil Fish ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C245D4.472FE660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I say=20 this guy got what he deserves. If you have ever been to Yellowstone you = would=20 see how stupid people are. These are wild animals and they walk right up = to them=20 thinking it is a petting zoo or something. We were there a few years ago = and=20 people were blocking the roads to get out of their cars to look for a = bear that=20 had been spotted.

--Connie

Team=20 "Wyle E"

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf = Of=20 Regan Smith
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 9:04 = AM
To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] The = problem with=20 public land

I saw this today and thought what = will be next=20

http://msn.espn.go.com/outdoors/conservation/news/2002/0809/1416= 254.html

if taking a picture is = harassment.

Team Evil=20 Fish

------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C245D4.472FE660-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 17 16:59:42 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 09:59:42 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] The problem with public land References: <001801c2460b$e2d8f890$561b150a@earthdog> Message-ID: <002c01c2460f$83823ec0$f328b83f@fishkiller> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C245D4.CF15F060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My point, it is ok for the animals to approach next to a foot path but = the humans can not. "Witnesses say the animal was grazing near a = boardwalk that connects Old Faithful Lodge to the geyser when a group of = people approached within 15 feet to take pictures." I could be real flippant and say without a fence the park rangers are = just looking for reasons to give a ticket..=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jan Allbright=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 9:33 AM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] The problem with public land no... getting within 25 yards is harassment and not all that bright either -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com = [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Regan = Smith Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 09:04 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] The problem with public land I saw this today and thought what will be next=20 = http://msn.espn.go.com/outdoors/conservation/news/2002/0809/1416254.html if taking a picture is harassment. Team Evil Fish ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C245D4.CF15F060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

My point, it is ok for the animals to = approach next=20 to a foot path but the humans can not. "Witnesses say the animal was grazing near a boardwalk = that=20 connects Old Faithful Lodge to the geyser when a group of people = approached=20 within 15 feet to take pictures."

I = could be real=20 flippant and say without a fence the park rangers are just looking for = reasons=20 to give a ticket..

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jan Allbright
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 = 9:33=20 AM

Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] = The problem=20 with public land

no... getting within 25 yards is = harassment

and=20 not all that bright either

-----Original Message-----
From: az-geocachi= ng-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf = Of=20 Regan Smith
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002=20 09:04
To: listserv@azgeocaching.comSubject:=20 [Az-Geocaching] The problem with public land

I saw this today and thought what = will be next=20

http://msn.espn.go.com/outdoors/conservation/news/2002/0809/1416= 254.html

if taking a picture is = harassment.

Team Evil=20 Fish

------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C245D4.CF15F060-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 17 17:07:58 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Eric Quinn) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 10:07:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] The problem with public land In-Reply-To: <002c01c2460f$83823ec0$f328b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: <20020817170758.46516.qmail@web13114.mail.yahoo.com> But how close is "near"? As long as the people stay on the marked paths and boardwalks, I would say that it would be easy to make a case that the person did what they were supposed to. The article sounds like the guy left the marked trail in an effort to get closer. As long as the approach range is marked on signs, then I'd say he deserves the ticket. The guy can consider it an expensive, and painful, lesson that wilderness areas contain wild animals and wild animals often aren't friendly. Eric TD --- Regan Smith wrote: > My point, it is ok for the animals to approach next > to a foot path but the humans can not. "Witnesses > say the animal was grazing near a boardwalk that > connects Old Faithful Lodge to the geyser when a > group of people approached within 15 feet to take > pictures." > > I could be real flippant and say without a fence the > park rangers are just looking for reasons to give a > ticket.. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 17 18:23:02 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 11:23:02 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] The problem with public land In-Reply-To: <20020817170758.46516.qmail@web13114.mail.yahoo.com> References: <002c01c2460f$83823ec0$f328b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020817112103.027f5d50@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 10:07 AM 8/17/2002 -0700, you wrote: >The guy can consider it an expensive, and painful, >lesson that wilderness areas contain wild animals and >wild animals often aren't friendly. Sure sounds like this guy was stupid, but stupid should not be against the law. If he sustained cuts, bruises and a puncture wound to his leg, I would say that he was punished for actions. Criminal charges will just make him bitter at the park service and other land management agencies. Those injuries will teach him not to approach wild animals that way and he would probably never do it again. Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 17 18:15:15 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: 17 Aug 2002 11:15:15 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] The problem with public land In-Reply-To: <000a01c24607$b9001160$f328b83f@fishkiller> References: <000a01c24607$b9001160$f328b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: <1029608115.11812.3.camel@napita.snaptek.com> Thats why I pay good money for better lenses for my camera. I want to be able to take close up pictures... but 15 feet. You would have to be insane. By the time you realized you were in danger, it's too late... you have a perferated crotch. I think he got everything he deserved. Brian Cluff On Sat, 2002-08-17 at 09:04, Regan Smith wrote: > I saw this today and thought what will be next > > http://msn.espn.go.com/outdoors/conservation/news/2002/0809/1416254.html > > if taking a picture is harassment. > > Team Evil Fish From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 17 18:57:11 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Eric Quinn) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 11:57:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] The problem with public land In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020817112103.027f5d50@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: <20020817185711.63561.qmail@web13107.mail.yahoo.com> --- Scott Wood wrote: > Sure sounds like this guy was stupid, but stupid > should not be against the law. If he sustained > cuts, bruises and a puncture wound to his leg, I > would say that he was punished for actions. > > Criminal charges will just make him bitter at the > park service and other land management agencies. > Those injuries will teach him not to approach > wild animals that way and he would probably never do > it again. The problem is that the parks then get accused of uneven enforcement. While I agree that the guy probably (see the Running of the Bulls in Pamplona for exceptions) has learned his lesson, where does the line get drawn? The parks have drawn the line at 25 yards. If they make an exception for injuries, where do they issue tickets? Do they ticket someone who escaped but skinned a knee in a fall while running? How about if he sprains an ankle? Breaks the ankle? The best enforcement is consistent with regards for mitigating circumstances left up to the ranger's discretion. Eric TD __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 17 16:16:16 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Joanna Strohn) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 09:16:16 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] First Cache? Maybe In-Reply-To: <004e01c241c7$5f2e6a90$026fa8c0@OUR> Message-ID: <008c01c24609$6a197b20$0c676441@p550> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008D_01C245CE.BDBAA320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MessageAbout this time last week I was being informed that my mother had had a heart attack. She broke her hip at age 84 and I've been her caregiver since then. Suffice to say, as she aged my life outside the house became to be lived in tiny chunks of time while she was napping. About a month ago she was hospitalized then went into a nursing home. It became obvious I would no longer be able to care for her at home. So I had to think about what my life would be like after she passed. Geocaching looked interesting, especially since I haven't had much opportunity to get out and explore. My mother passed peacefully in her sleep early Tuesday morning. My son flew in Sunday and she was alert enough then to say "good-bye" and tell us she'd had a good life. She was a couple weeks shy of her 92nd birthday. This morning I gathered up my GPS, packed my hiking pack, and called Sargeant, my Miniature Pinscher, to "walk". Sophie, my Bulldog, also wanted to go, but Bulldogs don't do well in the heat. We headed out to Team Scotti's "Long Ball" cache. I could walk to the coordinates (and have in the past) but took the car. Unlike some searchers, I knew where to park (smile). Finding the coordinates was easier than I expected. But where was the cache? It was described as "micro" but I had no clue how small or what it looked like. There were what I can best describe as plastic "ribbons" in the area. I have no clue what they might mean but I haven't read anything about ribbons being a cache sign so I kept looking. And thinking ... where would I hide a cache? What I found was a duffle bag, a couple jugs of water and a notepad with blank pages. I wrote something like "If this is it, I found it. -- WingRider" but I didn't disturb the duffle as there are many homeless who camp in this area. Indeed, as I was photographing what I had found I was approached by someone who looked like he might be homeless. I said I was taking photos and Sargeant gave a protective growl. The guy left and I continued taking photos. I've written Team Scotti privately to find out if I really did find the cache. If this wasn't it, I'll return and search some more. I had a great time, Sargeant was in doggie heaven exploring the area, and I can't wait to go out and look for more! The search was just what I needed this morning. -- WingRider ------=_NextPart_000_008D_01C245CE.BDBAA320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

About this time last week I was being informed = that my=20 mother had had a heart attack. She broke her hip at age 84 and I've been = her=20 caregiver since then. Suffice to say, as she aged my life outside the = house=20 became to be lived in tiny chunks of time while she was napping. About a = month=20 ago she was hospitalized then went into a nursing home. It became = obvious I=20 would no longer be able to care for her at home. So I had to think about = what my=20 life would be like after she passed. Geocaching looked interesting, = especially=20 since I haven't had much opportunity to get out and=20 explore.

My mother passed peacefully in her sleep early = Tuesday=20 morning. My son flew in Sunday and she was alert enough then to say = "good-bye"=20 and tell us she'd had a good life. She was a couple weeks shy of her = 92nd=20 birthday.

This morning I gathered up my GPS, packed my = hiking pack,=20 and called Sargeant, my Miniature Pinscher, to "walk". Sophie, my = Bulldog, also=20 wanted to go, but Bulldogs don't do well in the heat. We headed out to = Team=20 Scotti's "Long Ball" cache. I could walk to the coordinates (and = have in=20 the past) but took the car. Unlike some searchers, I knew where to park=20 (smile).

Finding the coordinates was easier than I = expected. But=20 where was the cache? It was described as "micro" but I had no clue how = small or=20 what it looked like. There were what I can best describe as plastic = "ribbons" in=20 the area. I have no clue what they might mean but I haven't read = anything about=20 ribbons being a cache sign so I kept looking. And thinking ... where = would I=20 hide a cache?

What I found was a duffle bag, a couple jugs of = water and a=20 notepad with blank pages. I wrote something like "If this is it, I found = it. --=20 WingRider" but I didn't disturb the duffle as there are many homeless = who camp=20 in this area. Indeed, as I was photographing what I had found I was = approached=20 by someone who looked like he might be homeless. I said I was taking = photos and=20 Sargeant gave a protective growl. The guy left and I continued taking=20 photos.

I've written Team Scotti privately to find out if = I really=20 did find the cache. If this wasn't it, I'll return and search some=20 more.

I had a great time, Sargeant was in doggie heaven = exploring=20 the area, and I can't wait to go out and look for more! The = search was=20 just what I needed this morning.

-- WingRider

------=_NextPart_000_008D_01C245CE.BDBAA320-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 17 12:51:44 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: 17 Aug 2002 05:51:44 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] First Cache? Maybe In-Reply-To: <008c01c24609$6a197b20$0c676441@p550> References: <008c01c24609$6a197b20$0c676441@p550> Message-ID: <1029588705.495.6.camel@snaptop> On Sat, 2002-08-17 at 09:16, Joanna Strohn wrote: > My mother passed peacefully in her sleep early Tuesday morning. My son flew > in Sunday and she was alert enough then to say "good-bye" and tell us she'd > had a good life. She was a couple weeks shy of her 92nd birthday. Sorry to hear about your mother, sounds like she was very lucky to have someone like you to look after her. Although I am a long way from dying, I can only hope that I can go in the same way, unike my great grandfather who had no clue what was going on around his for months before he finally passed. > What I found was a duffle bag, a couple jugs of water and a notepad with > blank pages. I wrote something like "If this is it, I found it. -- > If this wasn't it, I'll return and search some more. Sound to me like it wasn't it. I've never seen a geocache yet that wasn't weatherproof in one way or another (unless it was indoors of course). I've never been to that particular cache, but my first guess would be to look for something like an altoids tin. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 17 19:56:07 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Eric Quinn) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 12:56:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] First Cache? Maybe In-Reply-To: <008c01c24609$6a197b20$0c676441@p550> Message-ID: <20020817195607.19145.qmail@web13108.mail.yahoo.com> Joanna, Just so you know, a micro is defined as the size of a roll of film. In practice, a micro can be much smaller or a bit bigger. A regular sized cache is described as the size of an ammo box. From a volume standpoint, a container that could hold a quart of water to 4 gallons should probably be called regular sized. A large or jumbo cache, would be something that could hold 5 gal or more. A paint bucket, for example. I chuckle to think of a homeless guy looking at his pad of paper, saying to himself "what's a geocache?" It sounds like this activity has helped you a bit, I hope it continues to do so. Eric (who is writing today as opposed to caching) Team Dragon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 17 22:01:01 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jerry Nelson) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 15:01:01 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] The problem with public land Message-ID: <20020817.150102.-702519.0.peakbagger2@juno.com> Gotta agree with those who side with the buffalo. If the photographer had more serious injuries I suppose I'd have greater sympathy, But my guess is that the purpose of the fine is to further persuade visitors, for their own good, to be more respectful of the dangers from such critters. Jerry Offtrail From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 17 20:23:30 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jim Scotti) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 13:23:30 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] First Cache? Maybe In-Reply-To: <008c01c24609$6a197b20$0c676441@p550> Message-ID: Sorry to hear about your mother, but it's always good to dwell on the positives and it sounds like there were many of those in her 92 years. I know how soothing a destraction like geocachnig can be when going through hard times - my wife and I had a miscarriage a couple months ago, and it really helped me get my mind off of things. This hobby can be very addicting and I'm sure you'll find your first real cache soon! We've already talked about the cache, so hopefully you can get out again soon when the area is clear - hopefully it is still there and undisturbed. I should be out geocaching too today - Tomorrow will be the first anniversary of my first geocache find and I only need one more to get to 52 finds in that year to average exactly one a week. Trouble is, I've found all the easy ones around town and I don't much have time this weekend to go out on a longer hunting trip, so unless Scott from My Blue Heaven or someone else down here hides an easy one soon, I might have trouble getting that 52nd find this weekend.... Welcome to our sport, Joanna & hopefully we'll see you out and about sometime! Jim. Jim Scotti Lunar & Planetary Laboratory jscotti@pirl.lpl.arizona.edu University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 USA http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 17 21:46:24 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 14:46:24 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] First Cache? Maybe In-Reply-To: References: <008c01c24609$6a197b20$0c676441@p550> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020817144456.021c6650@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 01:23 PM 8/17/2002 -0700, you wrote: >around town and I don't much have time this weekend to go out on a longer >hunting trip, so unless Scott from My Blue Heaven or someone else down here >hides an easy one soon, I might have trouble getting that 52nd find this >weekend.... You could always go and find "In Hot Water" which was the first cache that we hid. While it is hot, the hike is not very long, and the views are wonderful from the cache site. It has been found twice this week, and from the log entries, it sounds like the water is running up there, it should be an almost perfect location. In liberty, Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 17 21:50:17 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 14:50:17 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] First Cache? Maybe In-Reply-To: <008c01c24609$6a197b20$0c676441@p550> References: <004e01c241c7$5f2e6a90$026fa8c0@OUR> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020817144631.00a3ba10@mail.myblueheaven.com> --=====================_58616760==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:16 AM 8/17/2002 -0700, you wrote: >About this time last week I was being informed that my mother had had a >heart attack. She broke her hip at age 84 and I've been her caregiver >since then. Suffice to say, as she aged my life outside the house became >to be lived in tiny chunks of time while she was napping. About a month >ago she was hospitalized then went into a nursing home. It became obvious >I would no longer be able to care for her at home. So I had to think about >what my life would be like after she passed. Geocaching looked >interesting, especially since I haven't had much opportunity to get out >and explore. I am sorry to hear about your mother. If it is any help, I am glad that she went peaceably in her sleep, I hope we can all be that fortunate when our time comes. As for cache hunting, sounds like you had quite an adventure even if you didn't find the cache. I suspect that you were VERY close to it. I had a little trouble finding that one also as there were a lot of placed that it would have been tucked away. You will find after a few finds that experience does help, but you will always come across caches that are hidden in new and unusual ways. That is part of what keeps this a very interesting sport. We have been doing this since last October, and have just a little over 80 finds so far. Not much when you consider how many the folks up in Phoenix have, but even after that many we are still surprised every now and then by how a cache is hidden. With any luck, we should be over 100 finds on Thursday. In liberty, Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com --=====================_58616760==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 09:16 AM 8/17/2002 -0700, you wrote:

About this time last week I was being informed that my mother had had a heart attack. She broke her hip at age 84 and I've been her caregiver since then. Suffice to say, as she aged my life outside the house became to be lived in tiny chunks of time while she was napping. About a month ago she was hospitalized then went into a nursing home. It became obvious I would no longer be able to care for her at home. So I had to think about what my life would be like after she passed. Geocaching looked interesting, especially since I haven't had much opportunity to get out and explore.

I am sorry to hear about your mother. If it is any help, I am glad that she went peaceably in her sleep, I hope we can all be that fortunate when our time comes.

As for cache hunting, sounds like you had quite an adventure even if you didn't find the cache. I suspect that you were VERY close to it. I had a little trouble finding that one also as there were a lot of placed that it would have been tucked away.

You will find after a few finds that experience does help, but you will always come across caches that are hidden in new and unusual ways. That is part of what keeps this a very interesting sport.

We have been doing this since last October, and have just a little over 80 finds so far. Not much when you consider how many the folks up in Phoenix have, but even after that many we are still surprised every now and then by how a cache is hidden. With any luck, we should be over 100 finds on Thursday.

In liberty,

Scott

wood@myblueheaven.com

www.myblueheaven.com

--=====================_58616760==_.ALT-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 17 22:12:03 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Joanna Strohn) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 15:12:03 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Clueless Newbie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00e001c2463b$1def6c00$0c676441@p550> I was able to find the PC cable at Tucson Map & Flag. I also found Microsoft Streets & Trips 2002 at Costco. It had a $20 rebate so I think the final cost was about $13. (I tried not to remember how much Automap 1.0 and the various upgrades cost....) With my new toys I downloaded the EasyGPS that is mentioned on the geocaching.com site. It really is easy to do and I was able to download the first page of sites that are closest to my home. -- Joanna -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Andrew Ayre Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 6:46 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Clueless Newbie Hi Joanna, If you bought a Garmin GPS then you can get cables at Tucson Map and Flag (or is it Tucson Flag and Map?). I don't think they sell Magellan cables. I also bought a copy of Maptech's Terrain Navigator there which is great! The whole of Arizona and New Mexico on around 22 CDs. You can go to www.maptech.com and download a demo. Have fun! Andy -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Joanna Strohn Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 5:15 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Clueless Newbie Many thanks for the warm welcome. With the thunderboomers hovering over the park that was going to be my first exploration, I think I'll have to put off my first search effort. I've been doing some looking around on the web, but there really isn't that much there for the completely clueless newbie. For example, what kind of goodies does one leave? I make hand-dyed scarves, for example. Would these be a good goodie? I haven't found anyplace that has photos of caches. I read about Tupperware, but I have no clue how they may be hidden. Or not hidden. Do I have to climb trees? Wade swamps? Do a dance and chant? Turn my dogs into retrievers? I got my GPS at Wal-Mart. I know they don't have any PC cables there (I looked). Any other place in Tucson that might have cables? Or does one have to order online for anything other than the basic units? What about paper maps? And what about mapping software? When I need a map I go to one of the online sites so I don't have anything that is new. Recommendations? -- Joanna, Clueless in Tucson, aka WingRider _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 17 22:19:31 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Joe Brekke) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 15:19:31 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] The problem with public land References: <20020817.150102.-702519.0.peakbagger2@juno.com> Message-ID: <000001c2463c$41c4e500$5a32a8c0@default> I grew up and lived for some time in a little town called Cut Bank, Montana which is about 40 miles from Glacier Park and about 280 miles from Yellowstone. Although I frequented Glacier much more often than Yellowstone, I have visited Yellowstone often over the years. My Dad worked in building the Going-to-the-Sun hiway through Glacier from 1929 - 1932. At that time (and for some time after) when grizzlies came into camp, the first thing they got from one of the Park Rangers was a 10-guage barrel filled with rock salt...when the ran, they got the other barrel filled with buckshot. This was common, and was a way they kept the bears from man...now I'm not saying this was the correct way, but it did instill a lot of fear for man in the grizzlies...they stayed away from them. This practice has of course stopped. Man has encroached farther and farther on the grizzlies domain. However they no longer fear man, and wander in to any campground or any site they can. The rangers try to keep tabs on them for the most part, but sometimes they fail. When a bear becomes a problem, it is trapped and moved...along with being tagged for identification. The bear has 1 more chance. If it becomes a problem again, it is captured and destroyed. In Yellowstone, I can remember the days of driving through and having areas where 30 - 40 bears (grizzly and black bear alike) lined the roadways while people stopped, rolled down their windows and handed or threw food out to these beggars. Every once in a while there was a problem. But as Yellowstone saw more and more visitors, this practice was halted, sometime around the late 60's. Of course the bears didn't see it that way and continued to try for handouts, coming into camps and whatnot. In the 70's the "harassment laws" came in to being because over time the bears that were used to the handouts died off, but there were so many bears, and so many more people that just the bear minding its own business in its own habitat attracted onlookers...and they did just as the fellow in this story did...they tried to get the perfect shot. Of course by this time, the bears were more "wild" than they were before, and had no fear for man. When man got to close, they attacked. If they attacked they were destroyed. These laws were not put in to protect the animals from humans, they were put in to protect the animals against their natural tendency to attack...for if they attack, they will be destroyed...so even though it may be called animal harassment, what they are trying to prevent is the animal from being destroyed...even though this article says there was no "charges filed against the buffalo". If this was a bear attack, things would be different. I can remember going to Glacier Park...there is an area there that is called Moose country...for those of you who don't know, Moose love to go into a marsh and basically kneel in the water and eat the moss, lillypads and pretty much anything green that is there. I have seen, and every once in a while you hear about some idiot wading into the marsh towards a Bull Moose to get that perfect shot. I have seen that Bull Moose attack. Again, it is not pretty. Though the person I saw was not killed, he was broken up pretty bad and spent months in the hospital and rehabilitation. Sorry for this really lengthy response, but I just wanted everyone to know why these laws exist...they aren't to protect the animals from man...rather to protect the animals from their natural tendencies to attack. In almost all cases, it is not the animal that is the problem...it is the idiot trying for the perfect shot. He should be prosecuted. Thanks, Joe TeamBlunder ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 3:01 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] The problem with public land > Gotta agree with those who side with the buffalo. If the photographer > had more serious injuries I suppose I'd have greater sympathy, But my > guess is that the purpose of the fine is to further persuade visitors, > for their own good, to be more respectful of the dangers from such > critters. > > Jerry > Offtrail > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Aug 18 00:03:27 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Joanna Strohn) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 17:03:27 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] The problem with public land In-Reply-To: <000001c2463c$41c4e500$5a32a8c0@default> Message-ID: <000301c2464a$adaaeea0$65676441@p550> I'm a motorcyclist and remember coming around a curve on the Blue Ridge Parkway to find traffic at a complete stop while idiots on both sides of the highway were out of their cars taking photos of "that sweet bear". They wouldn't have been so cheerful if that "sweet" bear had mauled one of there kids. I sure wouldn't have been happy if the bear had decided he didn't like the looks of my bike. As far as photographing wildlife ... that's what telephoto lenses are for. Don't get me started on people who feed bears, etc. -- WingRider From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Aug 18 05:15:21 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Chelby Geiss) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 22:15:21 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Killed my eTrex? Message-ID: <7E8FF350-B269-11D6-819A-000393545682@desertsol.com> --Apple-Mail-3--199085659 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed *sigh* I think I may have drowned my eTrex! We went kayaking on Thursday. I wasn't too worried about the water. Says right here in the manual "Waterproof to 1 meter for 30 minutes." I wasn't trying to get it wet...but it did take a dip in the lake while I was getting out of the kayak one time. It was in for a split second...I didn't worry. Then while trying to find one of the caches on Canyon Lake, it kept turning off on me! Kev took a look at it, opened up the battery compartment and found water in it! UGH! I've had it apart, hoping it will dry out, but there is a haze over the screen and its not coming on:( So have I killed it? What about it supposedly being waterproof? This is NOT what I needed right now! Can't afford a new gps at the moment!:( C:) Team desertSol Chelby & Kevin + Kiva and Lancer (German Shepherds) Apache Junction, AZ www.desertsol.com/~chelby/geocaching --Apple-Mail-3--199085659 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII *sigh* I think I may have drowned my eTrex! We went kayaking on Thursday. I wasn't too worried about the water. Says right here in the manual "Waterproof to 1 meter for 30 minutes." I wasn't trying to get it wet...but it did take a dip in the lake while I was getting out of the kayak one time. It was in for a split second...I didn't worry. Then while trying to find one of the caches on Canyon Lake, it kept turning off on me! Kev took a look at it, opened up the battery compartment and found water in it! UGH! I've had it apart, hoping it will dry out, but there is a haze over the screen and its not coming on:( So have I killed it? What about it supposedly being waterproof? This is NOT what I needed right now! Can't afford a new gps at the moment!:( C:) Sand3131,0404,FFFFTeam desertSol Chelby & Kevin + Kiva and Lancer (German Shepherds) Apache Junction, AZ www.desertsol.com/~chelby/geocaching --Apple-Mail-3--199085659-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Aug 18 05:27:47 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 22:27:47 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Killed my eTrex? In-Reply-To: <7E8FF350-B269-11D6-819A-000393545682@desertsol.com> Message-ID: <000301c24677$fd58c120$026fa8c0@OUR> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C2463D.50FB6FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Call Garmin at 1-800-800-1020 (M-F 6 AM to 3 PM AZ time). If it's still under warranty (1 year), ask them to agree to expedited service. Overnight it to them and they'll probably have it back to you within a week. It should only cost you the shipping on your end. My experience has been that Garmin reliability is extremely suspect, but their customer support seems to try very hard to make up for that. Steve Team Tierra Buena -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Chelby Geiss Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 10:15 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Killed my eTrex? *sigh* I think I may have drowned my eTrex! We went kayaking on Thursday. I wasn't too worried about the water. Says right here in the manual "Waterproof to 1 meter for 30 minutes." I wasn't trying to get it wet...but it did take a dip in the lake while I was getting out of the kayak one time. It was in for a split second...I didn't worry. Then while trying to find one of the caches on Canyon Lake, it kept turning off on me! Kev took a look at it, opened up the battery compartment and found water in it! UGH! I've had it apart, hoping it will dry out, but there is a haze over the screen and its not coming on:( So have I killed it? What about it supposedly being waterproof? This is NOT what I needed right now! Can't afford a new gps at the moment!:( C:) Team desertSol Chelby & Kevin + Kiva and Lancer (German Shepherds) Apache Junction, AZ www.desertsol.com/~chelby/geocaching ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C2463D.50FB6FC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

Call Garmin at 1-800-800-1020 (M-F 6 AM to 3 PM AZ = time). If it's=20 still under warranty (1 year), ask them to agree to = expedited=20 service. Overnight it to them and they'll probably have it back to you = within a=20 week. It should only cost you the shipping on your=20 end.

My experience has been that Garmin reliability is = extremely=20 suspect, but their customer support seems to try very hard to make up = for=20 that.

Steve

Team=20 Tierra Buena

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = Chelby Geiss
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 10:15=20 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: = [Az-Geocaching]=20 Killed my eTrex?

*sigh* I think I may have drowned = my=20 eTrex! We went kayaking on Thursday. I wasn't too worried about the = water.=20 Says right here in the manual "Waterproof to 1 meter for 30 minutes." = I wasn't=20 trying to get it wet...but it did take a dip in the lake while I was = getting=20 out of the kayak one time. It was in for a split second...I didn't = worry. Then=20 while trying to find one of the caches on Canyon Lake, it kept turning = off on=20 me! Kev took a look at it, opened up the battery compartment and found = water=20 in it! UGH! I've had it apart, hoping it will dry out, but there is a = haze=20 over the screen and its not coming on:(
So have I killed it? What = about it=20 supposedly being waterproof?
This is NOT what I needed right now! = Can't=20 afford a new gps at the moment!:(
C:)

Team=20 desertSol
Chelby & Kevin
+
Kiva and Lancer (German=20 Shepherds)
Apache Junction, = AZ
www.desertsol.com/~chelby/geocaching ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C2463D.50FB6FC0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Aug 18 05:29:24 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jim Scotti) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 22:29:24 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Killed my eTrex? In-Reply-To: <7E8FF350-B269-11D6-819A-000393545682@desertsol.com> Message-ID: Well, hopefully it will dry out and be fine. I'd leave the battery case open and let it dry out for a day or so and see if it comes back to life. I think the eTrex (assuming its almost the same as my Legend at least as far as the case goes) has a small pinhole probably for atmospheric equalization. I suspect if it gets deep than 1 meter, it might fail somewhere. If it doesn't come back to life after drying out, visit the Garmin service department either on the web or by phone and I'm sure they'll be happy to help get your unit back to life. Jim On Sat, 17 Aug 2002, Chelby Geiss wrote: > *sigh* I think I may have drowned my eTrex! We went kayaking on > Thursday. I wasn't too worried about the water. Says right here in the > manual "Waterproof to 1 meter for 30 minutes." I wasn't trying to get > it wet...but it did take a dip in the lake while I was getting out of > the kayak one time. It was in for a split second...I didn't worry. > Then while trying to find one of the caches on Canyon Lake, it kept > turning off on me! Kev took a look at it, opened up the battery > compartment and found water in it! UGH! I've had it apart, hoping it > will dry out, but there is a haze over the screen and its not coming on:( > So have I killed it? What about it supposedly being waterproof? > This is NOT what I needed right now! Can't afford a new gps at the > moment!:( > C:) > > Team desertSol > Chelby & Kevin > + > Kiva and Lancer (German Shepherds) > Apache Junction, AZ > www.desertsol.com/~chelby/geocaching > Jim Scotti Lunar & Planetary Laboratory jscotti@pirl.lpl.arizona.edu University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 USA http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Aug 18 05:43:13 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (teamcbx2) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 22:43:13 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] First Cache? Maybe In-Reply-To: <008c01c24609$6a197b20$0c676441@p550> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C2463F.783C58E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MessageWe are so sorry to hear of the passing of your mom. I hope that you keep Geocaching. It will be a wonderful pass time for your and your dogs. Our dogs to include our newest which is a new Min Pin from the pound love it. Hope to see you on the trails. Team CBx2 -----Original MesMiniature Pinschersage----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Joanna Strohn Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 9:16 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] First Cache? Maybe About this time last week I was being informed that my mother had had a heart attack. She broke her hip at age 84 and I've been her caregiver since then. Suffice to say, as she aged my life outside the house became to be lived in tiny chunks of time while she was napping. About a month ago she was hospitalized then went into a nursing home. It became obvious I would no longer be able to care for her at home. So I had to think about what my life would be like after she passed. Geocaching looked interesting, especially since I haven't had much opportunity to get out and explore. My mother passed peacefully in her sleep early Tuesday morning. My son flew in Sunday and she was alert enough then to say "good-bye" and tell us she'd had a good life. She was a couple weeks shy of her 92nd birthday. This morning I gathered up my GPS, packed my hiking pack, and called Sargeant, my Miniature Pinscher, to "walk". Sophie, my Bulldog, also wanted to go, but Bulldogs don't do well in the heat. We headed out to Team Scotti's "Long Ball" cache. I could walk to the coordinates (and have in the past) but took the car. Unlike some searchers, I knew where to park (smile). Finding the coordinates was easier than I expected. But where was the cache? It was described as "micro" but I had no clue how small or what it looked like. There were what I can best describe as plastic "ribbons" in the area. I have no clue what they might mean but I haven't read anything about ribbons being a cache sign so I kept looking. And thinking ... where would I hide a cache? What I found was a duffle bag, a couple jugs of water and a notepad with blank pages. I wrote something like "If this is it, I found it. -- WingRider" but I didn't disturb the duffle as there are many homeless who camp in this area. Indeed, as I was photographing what I had found I was approached by someone who looked like he might be homeless. I said I was taking photos and Sargeant gave a protective growl. The guy left and I continued taking photos. I've written Team Scotti privately to find out if I really did find the cache. If this wasn't it, I'll return and search some more. I had a great time, Sargeant was in doggie heaven exploring the area, and I can't wait to go out and look for more! The search was just what I needed this morning. -- WingRider ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C2463F.783C58E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

We are=20 so sorry to hear of the passing of your mom.

I hope=20 that you keep Geocaching.

It=20 will be a wonderful pass time for your and your = dogs.

Our=20 dogs to include our newest which is a new Min Pin from the pound love=20 it.

Hope=20 to see you on the trails.

Team=20 CBx2

-----Original MesMiniature=20 Pinschersage-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of=20 Joanna Strohn
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 9:16=20 AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: = [Az-Geocaching]=20 First Cache? Maybe

About this time last week I was being informed = that my=20 mother had had a heart attack. She broke her hip at age 84 and I've = been her=20 caregiver since then. Suffice to say, as she aged my life outside the = house=20 became to be lived in tiny chunks of time while she was napping. About = a month=20 ago she was hospitalized then went into a nursing home. It became = obvious I=20 would no longer be able to care for her at home. So I had to think = about what=20 my life would be like after she passed. Geocaching looked interesting, = especially since I haven't had much opportunity to get out and=20 explore.

My mother passed peacefully in her sleep early = Tuesday=20 morning. My son flew in Sunday and she was alert enough then to say = "good-bye"=20 and tell us she'd had a good life. She was a couple weeks shy of her = 92nd=20 birthday.

This morning I gathered up my GPS, packed my = hiking pack,=20 and called Sargeant, my Miniature Pinscher, to "walk". Sophie, my = Bulldog,=20 also wanted to go, but Bulldogs don't do well in the heat. We headed = out to=20 Team Scotti's "Long Ball" cache. I could walk to the = coordinates (and=20 have in the past) but took the car. Unlike some searchers, I knew = where to=20 park (smile).

Finding the coordinates was easier than I = expected. But=20 where was the cache? It was described as "micro" but I had no clue how = small=20 or what it looked like. There were what I can best describe as plastic = "ribbons" in the area. I have no clue what they might mean but I = haven't read=20 anything about ribbons being a cache sign so I kept looking. And = thinking ...=20 where would I hide a cache?

What I found was a duffle bag, a couple jugs of = water and=20 a notepad with blank pages. I wrote something like "If this is it, I = found it.=20 -- WingRider" but I didn't disturb the duffle as there are many = homeless who=20 camp in this area. Indeed, as I was photographing what I had found I = was=20 approached by someone who looked like he might be homeless. I said I = was=20 taking photos and Sargeant gave a protective growl. The guy left and I = continued taking photos.

I've written Team Scotti privately to find out = if I really=20 did find the cache. If this wasn't it, I'll return and search some=20 more.

I had a great time, Sargeant was in doggie = heaven=20 exploring the area, and I can't wait to go out and look for = more! The=20 search was just what I needed this = morning.

-- WingRider

------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C2463F.783C58E0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 19 03:32:06 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Roger Tennis) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 20:32:06 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Neighborhood Park Cache Message-ID: <000801c24731$02953e20$0201a8c0@computer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C246F6.51DC81E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Team Omniterranaut has now been to the area of the second part of = Neighborhood Park Cache twice and have searched the area thoroughly but = couldn't find anything. We followed the hint on the website (Look for = the word Lewisburgh...) and still couldn't find anything. Can anyone = offer me any additional hints? Any assistance is appreciated. I dont = want anyone to give away the location, just want a hint so hopefully = I'll have a better idea of where to search next time.=20 Thanks. Frieza ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C246F6.51DC81E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Team Omniterranaut has now been to the = area of the=20 second part of Neighborhood Park Cache twice and have searched the area=20 thoroughly but couldn't find anything. We followed the hint on the = website (Look=20 for the word Lewisburgh...) and still couldn't find anything. Can anyone = offer=20 me any additional hints? Any assistance is appreciated. I dont want = anyone to=20 give away the location, just want a hint so hopefully I'll have a better = idea of=20 where to search next time.

Thanks.

Frieza

------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C246F6.51DC81E0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 19 15:26:40 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken Akerman) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 08:26:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hazard of putting a travel bug in a highly exposed cache In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020503130304.00a72920@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: <20020819152640.83987.qmail@web21101.mail.yahoo.com> --0-386174686-1029770800=:83262 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii One of my travel bugs, established in honor of WNBA player Stephanie McCarty, was placed in a geocache last night that the most recent cache finder reports as being "exposed". Other finders of this cache also report that this cache is not well hidden. I will offer a cautionary warning about putting a travel bug in an exposed cache that is likely to be found by accident. There is a chance that the cache could be accidentally found and removed, with the travel bug inside, before the next geocacher finds it. This happened at the Park and Cache cache in Mesa. A geocacher put the Boothia travel bug in it on June 9, and the cache (with travel bug inside) was apparently nabbed by a park employee before the next geocacher attempted to find it on June 13. Thus, this travel bug appears to be gone for good. Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) --0-386174686-1029770800=:83262 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

One of my travel bugs, established in honor of WNBA player Stephanie McCarty, was placed in a geocache last night that the most recent cache finder reports as being "exposed". Other finders of this cache also report that this cache is not well hidden. I will offer a cautionary warning about putting a travel bug in an exposed cache that is likely to be found by accident.

There is a chance that the cache could be accidentally found and removed, with the travel bug inside, before the next geocacher finds it. This happened at the Park and Cache cache in Mesa. A geocacher put the Boothia travel bug in it on June 9, and the cache (with travel bug inside) was apparently nabbed by a park employee before the next geocacher attempted to find it on June 13. Thus, this travel bug appears to be gone for good.

Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer)

--0-386174686-1029770800=:83262-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 19 15:39:40 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Tim Giron) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 08:39:40 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hazard of putting a travel bug in a highly exposed cache In-Reply-To: <20020819152640.83987.qmail@web21101.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020819152640.83987.qmail@web21101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --============_-1182350906==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Actually, looking at the logs, it appears that two teams were there at the same time and cross-swapped bugs through the cache. One of them just hasn't logged picking up the bug, yet, so I think Stephanie is currently out of danger. Tim Team AZFastFeet >One of my travel bugs, established in honor of WNBA player >Stephanie >McCarty, was placed in a >geocache >last night that the most recent cache finder reports as being >"exposed". Other finders of this cache also report that this cache >is not well hidden. I will offer a cautionary warning about putting >a travel bug in an exposed cache that is likely to be found by >accident. > >There is a chance that the cache could be accidentally found and >removed, with the travel bug inside, before the next geocacher finds >it. This happened at the >Park and >Cache cache in Mesa. A >geocacher put >the >Boothia >travel bug in it on June 9, and the cache (with travel bug inside) >was apparently nabbed by a park employee before the next geocacher >attempted to find it on June 13. Thus, this travel bug appears to >be gone for good. > > Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) --============_-1182350906==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: [Az-Geocaching] Hazard of putting a travel bug in

Actually, looking at the logs, it appears that two teams were there at the same time and cross-swapped bugs through the cache. One of them just hasn't logged picking up the bug, yet, so I think Stephanie is currently out of danger.

Tim

Team AZFastFeet

One of my travel bugs, established in honor of WNBA player Stephanie McCarty, was placed in a geocache last night that the most recent cache finder reports as being "exposed". Other finders of this cache also report that this cache is not well hidden. I will offer a cautionary warning about putting a travel bug in an exposed cache that is likely to be found by accident.

There is a chance that the cache could be accidentally found and removed, with the travel bug inside, before the next geocacher finds it. This happened at the Park and Cache cache in Mesa. A geocacher put the Boothia travel bug in it on June 9, and the cache (with travel bug inside) was apparently nabbed by a park employee before the next geocacher attempted to find it on June 13. Thus, this travel bug appears to be gone for good.

Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer)

--============_-1182350906==_ma============-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 19 17:39:49 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Koch, Dan) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:39:49 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Wow! Check Out THIS Cache! Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C247A7.6AB766B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Not that I have a problem with the idea of this cache, I do see it as 'commercial'. It mentions right in the cache description that an entry fee will be charged for those wishing to attend. If REI (or similar) were to do something like this, it would never be approved and we would all complain about it. The difference between this one and the BOB event or the DBG cache (which also require admission) is that those caches are put out by a geocacher with nothing to gain from others attending. This event is sponsored by the Museum and gains everything from cachers attending. Before you go and criticize, let me say that I have visited the Museum before and paid my entry fee. Several times. But in the case of caches, I don't think it's appropriate. Hold it on Sunday when there is no admission required. Dan Team LazyK -----Original Message----- From: Team Tierra Buena [mailto:teamtierrabuena@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 8:57 PM To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Wow! Check Out THIS Cache! http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=32825 What a great idea! There are some problems with the cache as it's currently described, not the least of which is the conflict with the Campout event cache. I've sent a note to Kristy Miller letting her know about the conflict, and a couple of other items I thought might be clarified. I've also offered to work with her or the museum if they need any help with it. I'd love to see this be something that gets huge attendance, particularly from the Phoenix area cachers. I'm also hoping that perhaps they can change the date so it doesn't fall on the holiday weekend. I wonder if the Republic would cover it? Steve Team Tierra Buena ------_=_NextPart_001_01C247A7.6AB766B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

Not=20 that I have a problem with the idea of this cache, I do see it as=20 'commercial'. It mentions right in the cache description that an = entry fee=20 will be charged for those wishing to attend. If REI (or similar) = were to=20 do something like this, it would never be approved and we would all = complain=20 about it.

The difference between = this one and=20 the BOB event or the DBG = cache (which=20 also require admission) is that those = caches=20 are put out by a = geocacher=20 with nothing to gain from others attending. This event is = sponsored by the=20 Museum and gains everything from cachers attending.

Before you go and criticize, let me say = that I=20 have visited the Museum before and paid my entry fee. Several = times. =20 But in the case of caches, I don't think it's appropriate. Hold = it on=20 Sunday when there is no admission=20 required.

Dan=20

Team=20 LazyK

-----Original Message-----
From: Team Tierra Buena = [mailto:teamtierrabuena@earthlink.net]
Sent: Friday, August = 16, 2002=20 8:57 PM
To:=20 az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com
Subject: = [Az-Geocaching]=20 Wow! Check Out THIS Cache!

htt= p://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=3D32825

What a great=20 idea! There are some problems with the cache as it's currently = described, not=20 the least of which is the conflict with the Campout event cache. I've = sent a=20 note to Kristy Miller letting her know about the conflict, and a = couple of=20 other items I thought might be clarified. I've also offered to work = with her=20 or the museum if they need any help with it.

I'd = love to see=20 this be something that gets huge attendance, particularly from the = Phoenix=20 area cachers. I'm also hoping that perhaps they can change the date = so it=20 doesn't fall on the holiday weekend. I wonder if the = Republic would=20 cover it?

Steve

Team Tierra=20 Buena

------_=_NextPart_001_01C247A7.6AB766B0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 19 18:28:41 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:28:41 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] another 500 Message-ID: <001001c247ae$3f829800$3f11b83f@fishkiller> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C24773.91AADBA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Congrats to TEAM SAND DOLLAR you went past the 500 mark on your latest = caching adventure ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C24773.91AADBA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Congrats to TEAM SAND DOLLAR you went = past the 500=20 mark on your latest caching adventure

------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C24773.91AADBA0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 19 19:52:27 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Joe Brekke) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:52:27 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] another 500 References: <001001c247ae$3f829800$3f11b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: <000901c247b9$f253df60$5a32a8c0@default> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C2477F.459979E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, Congratulations, that's quite a feat, especially with most of them = coming in the last 7 or so months. And I noticed that find # 500 came at one of my caches. Great job Loran! Joe TeamBlunder ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Regan Smith=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 11:28 AM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] another 500 Congrats to TEAM SAND DOLLAR you went past the 500 mark on your latest = caching adventure ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C2477F.459979E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes, Congratulations, that's quite a = feat,=20 especially with most of them coming in the last 7 or so = months.

And I noticed that find # 500 came at = one of my=20 caches.

Great job Loran!

Joe

TeamBlunder

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Regan=20 Smith
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 = 11:28=20 AM

Subject: [Az-Geocaching] = another=20 500

Congrats to TEAM SAND DOLLAR you went = past the=20 500 mark on your latest caching=20 adventure

------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C2477F.459979E0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 19 20:39:13 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (WOLFB8) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:39:13 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] another 500 References: <001001c247ae$3f829800$3f11b83f@fishkiller> <000901c247b9$f253df60$5a32a8c0@default> Message-ID: <013901c247c0$7b8b12c0$bfd36844@Libby> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0136_01C24785.CDFE1B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable congrad on the 500 finds ...now the questions are=20 did you taken a job in a state with a total cache population of 200????=20 will you ever get all of Arizona cache??? will you take first place from wyle???? all kidding aside congrads We will be known by the tracks we leave behind ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Joe Brekke=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] another 500 Yes, Congratulations, that's quite a feat, especially with most of = them coming in the last 7 or so months. And I noticed that find # 500 came at one of my caches. Great job Loran! Joe TeamBlunder ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Regan Smith=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 11:28 AM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] another 500 Congrats to TEAM SAND DOLLAR you went past the 500 mark on your = latest caching adventure ------=_NextPart_000_0136_01C24785.CDFE1B00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

congrad on the 500 finds ...now the = questions are=20

did you taken a job in a state with a = total cache=20 population of 200????

will you ever get all of Arizona=20 cache???

will you take first place from=20 wyle????

all kidding aside congrads

We will be known by the tracks we leave behind

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Joe=20 Brekke
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 = 12:52=20 PM

Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = another=20 500

Yes, Congratulations, that's quite a = feat,=20 especially with most of them coming in the last 7 or so = months.

And I noticed that find # 500 came at = one of my=20 caches.

Great job Loran!

Joe

TeamBlunder

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Regan=20 Smith
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 = 11:28=20 AM

Subject: [Az-Geocaching] = another=20 500

Congrats to TEAM SAND DOLLAR you = went past the=20 500 mark on your latest caching=20 adventure

------=_NextPart_000_0136_01C24785.CDFE1B00-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 19 20:25:49 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Chelby Geiss) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:25:49 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Wow! Check Out THIS Cache! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: No need for the flame retardant suit, Dan! You are allowed your opinion!:) This event was set up by Kristy (who is just starting to get into geocaching) and myself, with the gracious help of museum staff. Some people at the museum fought Kristy on this because of past bad publicity. But we figured it would mean more and be more "official" if it happened at the museum where you can learn about archaeological sites and proper etiquette around these sites...just made sense to us! The museum in non-profit, they are shelling out the money for the supplies and "prizes" (some of the prizes are REALLY nice, costing more than your $2 admission). This was never intended to be commercial! We intended it to be EDUCATIONAL! And as any teachers know, field trips make learning fun...look at it like a field trip!:) The only things that myself, Kristy and the museum hope to gain from this event is that maybe we can create some positive publicity, introduce new people to geocaching, meet some of our fellow geocachers that we haven't already met, and MOST IMPORTANTLY, remind and make people aware that these sites are very delicate and care must be taken around them to preserve them! Just my thoughts:) C:) Team desertSol Chelby & Kevin + Kiva and Lancer (German Shepherds) Apache Junction, AZ www.desertsol.com/~chelby/geocaching From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 19 20:56:05 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (loran @cox) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:56:05 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] another 500 References: <001001c247ae$3f829800$3f11b83f@fishkiller> <000901c247b9$f253df60$5a32a8c0@default> <013901c247c0$7b8b12c0$bfd36844@Libby> Message-ID: <000b01c247c2$d5e3d160$0400a8c0@one> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C24788.29296BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks but I still need to get 500 AZ caches before I leave. The job is in the frozen north. Michigan. But there are over 500 caches. There is no way to ever get all the AZ caches. They are always new ones. Not unless Wyle stops caching for a while. I guess it up to = ropingthewind to catch him or maybe the roadrunners. Loran (Team Sand Dollar) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: WOLFB8=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] another 500 congrad on the 500 finds ...now the questions are=20 did you taken a job in a state with a total cache population of = 200????=20 will you ever get all of Arizona cache??? will you take first place from wyle???? all kidding aside congrads We will be known by the tracks we leave behind ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Joe Brekke=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] another 500 Yes, Congratulations, that's quite a feat, especially with most of = them coming in the last 7 or so months. And I noticed that find # 500 came at one of my caches. Great job Loran! Joe TeamBlunder ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Regan Smith=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 11:28 AM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] another 500 Congrats to TEAM SAND DOLLAR you went past the 500 mark on your = latest caching adventure ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C24788.29296BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks but I still need to get 500 AZ = caches before=20 I leave.

The job is in the frozen north. = Michigan. But there=20 are over 500 caches.

There is no way to ever get all the AZ = caches. They=20 are always new ones.

Not unless Wyle stops caching for a = while. I=20 guess it up to ropingthewind to catch him or maybe the = roadrunners.

Loran (Team Sand Dollar)

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 WOLFB8 =
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 = 1:39=20 PM

Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = another=20 500

congrad on the 500 finds ...now the = questions are=20

did you taken a job in a state with a = total cache=20 population of 200????

will you ever get all of Arizona=20 cache???

will you take first place from=20 wyle????

all kidding aside = congrads

We will be known by the tracks we leave behind

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Joe=20 Brekke
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 = 12:52=20 PM

Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = another=20 500

Yes, Congratulations, that's quite = a feat,=20 especially with most of them coming in the last 7 or so = months.

And I noticed that find # 500 came = at one of my=20 caches.

Great job Loran!

Joe

TeamBlunder

----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Regan=20 Smith
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20

Sent: Monday, August 19, = 2002 11:28=20 AM

Subject: [Az-Geocaching] = another=20 500

Congrats to TEAM SAND DOLLAR you = went past=20 the 500 mark on your latest caching=20 = adventure

------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C24788.29296BE0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 19 20:46:01 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Cody Brown) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:46:01 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] another 500 Message-ID: Thanks to "Chicks with Trucks" for putting Loran over the edge. I mean really over the edge. Maybe a book of Sand Dollars from around the world to commemorate?? Nahh.. Not nearly as fun as "Yellow Jeep Fever". Cody Team CBX2 |---------+---------------------------------------------> | | "WOLFB8" | | | Sent by: | | | az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeo| | | caching.com | | | | | | | | | 08/19/02 01:39 PM | | | Please respond to listserv | | | | |---------+---------------------------------------------> >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: | | cc: | | Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] another 500 | >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| congrad on the 500 finds ...now the questions are did you taken a job in a state with a total cache population of 200???? will you ever get all of Arizona cache??? will you take first place from wyle???? all kidding aside congrads We will be known by the tracks we leave behind ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Brekke To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] another 500 Yes, Congratulations, that's quite a feat, especially with most of them coming in the last 7 or so months. And I noticed that find # 500 came at one of my caches. Great job Loran! Joe TeamBlunder ----- Original Message ----- From: Regan Smith To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 11:28 AM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] another 500 Congrats to TEAM SAND DOLLAR you went past the 500 mark on your latest caching adventure From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 19 23:44:53 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jerry Nelson) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:44:53 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] another 500 Message-ID: <20020819.164455.-691963.5.peakbagger2@juno.com> My congratulations to Loran also. I remember our multi team assault on Lost Ark. I see it's been logged by only one group effort since then (how'd they do it in July?). Good luck in Michigan. I'm writing this from Iowa and it's kinda cold even now! Get you heavy wool clothes ready. Jerry Offtrail From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 19 22:06:57 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: 19 Aug 2002 15:06:57 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] another 500 In-Reply-To: <20020819.164455.-691963.5.peakbagger2@juno.com> References: <20020819.164455.-691963.5.peakbagger2@juno.com> Message-ID: <1029794817.20699.39.camel@fone.snaptek.com> Let us not forget the 500+ sand dollars that gave their life so that Loran could cache But seriously, 500.. wow. Wish I got out more often.. maybe I could lose a bit of my gut. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 20 00:09:30 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gordon L. Flatt) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:09:30 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] 500 Message-ID: Loran, Congratulations on your 500 finds. I've enjoyed doing a handful of them with you. Hope we can do a few more together before you head up to the great white north! LOL Gordon Team Coyote1022 From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 20 00:19:07 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:19:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Geocachers not the culprits Message-ID: <-1215793266.1029802747914.JavaMail.root@localhost> ------=_Part_40919_-1215775978.1029802747884 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: INLINE *Please note, the sender's email address has not been verified. You have received the following link from Ken@Highpointer.com ******************** If you are having trouble with any of the links in this message, or if the URL's are not appearing as links, please follow the instructions at the bottom of this email. 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------=_Part_40919_-1215775978.1029802747884-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 20 00:57:00 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: 19 Aug 2002 17:57:00 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Geocachers not the culprits In-Reply-To: <-1215793266.1029802747914.JavaMail.root@localhost> References: <-1215793266.1029802747914.JavaMail.root@localhost> Message-ID: <1029805020.21118.1.camel@fone.snaptek.com> Did that actually make the print edition, or just the web? Also, look for a follow up article in the republic tomorrow. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek On Mon, 2002-08-19 at 17:19, Ken@Highpointer.com wrote: > > > *Please note, the sender's email address has not been verified. > > > > You have received the following link from Ken@Highpointer.com > > > ******************** > > If you are having trouble with any of the links in this message, or if the URL's are not appearing as links, please follow the instructions at the bottom of this email. > > Title: Geocachers not the culprits > > > Copy and paste the following into your Web browser to access the sent link: > http://www.emailthis.clickability.com/et/emailThis?clickMap=viewThis&etMailToID=1196373406&pt=Y > > Copy and paste the following into your Web browser to SAVE THIS link: > http://www.savethis.clickability.com/st/saveThisPopupApp?clickMap=saveFromET&partnerID=940&etMailToID=1196373406&pt=Y > > Copy and paste the following into your Web browser to forward this link: > http://www.emailthis.clickability.com/et/emailThis?clickMap=forward&etMailToID=1196373406&partnerID=940&pt=Y > > > > ******************** > > > Email pages from any Web site you visit - add the EMAIL THIS button to your browser, copy and paste the following into your Web browser: > http://www.emailthis.clickability.com/et/emailThis?clickMap=browserButtons&pt=Y" > > > ********************* > > > > Instructions: > ----------------------------------------- > If your e-mail program doesn't recognize Web addresses: > 1. With your mouse, highlight the Web Address above. Be sure to highlight the entire Web address, even if it spans more than one line in your email. > 2. Select Copy from the Edit menu at the top of your screen. > 3. Launch your Web browser. > 4. Paste the address into your Web browser by selecting Paste from the Edit menu. > 5. Click Go or press Enter or Return on your keyboard. > > ******************** > > > > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 20 01:25:20 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Tim Giron) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:25:20 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Geocachers not the culprits In-Reply-To: <1029805020.21118.1.camel@fone.snaptek.com> References: <-1215793266.1029802747914.JavaMail.root@localhost> <1029805020.21118.1.camel@fone.snaptek.com> Message-ID: Print edition as well. Page B8 in my copy of the paper. Tim Team AZFastFeet >Did that actually make the print edition, or just the web? > >Also, look for a follow up article in the republic tomorrow. > >Brian Cluff >Team Snaptek > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 20 03:00:16 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Justin Sever) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:00:16 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] another 500 In-Reply-To: <001001c247ae$3f829800$3f11b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: <009701c247f5$b651d0d0$0200a8c0@laptop7500> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0098_01C247BB.09F2F8D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Right on Team Sand Dollar! Personally I thought it would by much longer before anyone achieved the same feat as Larry, but you guys proved me wrong! Great Work! -Frobro Goose -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Regan Smith Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 11:29 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] another 500 Congrats to TEAM SAND DOLLAR you went past the 500 mark on your latest caching adventure ------=_NextPart_000_0098_01C247BB.09F2F8D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

Right=20 on Team Sand Dollar! Personally I thought it would by much = longer=20 before anyone achieved the same feat as Larry, but you guys proved me=20 wrong! Great Work!

-Frobro Goose

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = Regan Smith
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Subject: [Az-Geocaching] another=20 500

Congrats to TEAM SAND DOLLAR you went = past the=20 500 mark on your latest caching=20 adventure

------=_NextPart_000_0098_01C247BB.09F2F8D0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 20 01:48:20 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Cache-Quest) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:48:20 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] another 500 References: <001001c247ae$3f829800$3f11b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: <002301c247eb$a98be700$6401a8c0@Home> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C247B0.FCE9EB80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Major WOW!! Congratulations! I guess I need to dust off my GPS and get out there again. Jerry (Cache-Quest) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Regan Smith=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 11:28 AM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] another 500 Congrats to TEAM SAND DOLLAR you went past the 500 mark on your latest = caching adventure ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C247B0.FCE9EB80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Major WOW!! = Congratulations!

I guess I need to dust off my GPS and = get out there=20 again.

Jerry

(Cache-Quest)

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 = 11:28=20 AM

Subject: [Az-Geocaching] = another=20 500

Congrats to TEAM SAND DOLLAR you went = past the=20 500 mark on your latest caching=20 adventure

------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C247B0.FCE9EB80-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 20 03:15:24 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Mak Smith) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:15:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Another 500 Message-ID: <20020820031524.53024.qmail@web21506.mail.yahoo.com> --0-137897554-1029813324=:50369 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Congratulations to Team Sand Dollar for reaching 500!! I don't even think I would ever come anywhere close to those kind of numbers :) Also, congrats to ropingthewind for reaching 300, LazyK and Highpointer for reaching 200, and GeoRaptor reaching 100. Hopefully, I will join all of you up there, but maybe I'm just dreaming :) Right now, I'm only almost halfway to 100. Frieza --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs, a Yahoo! service - Search Thousands of New Jobs --0-137897554-1029813324=:50369 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Congratulations to Team Sand Dollar for reaching 500!! I don't even think I would ever come anywhere close to those kind of numbers :) Also, congrats to ropingthewind for reaching 300, LazyK and Highpointer for reaching 200, and GeoRaptor reaching 100. Hopefully, I will join all of you up there, but maybe I'm just dreaming :) Right now, I'm only almost halfway to 100.

Frieza

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HotJobs, a Yahoo! service - Search Thousands of New Jobs --0-137897554-1029813324=:50369-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 20 04:00:05 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bell, Robert) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:00:05 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Many Milestones Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C247FE.1124E0D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Lots of milestones - the forests must be open! Quin, Bi, and Centennial finds - you keep the game going! Congrats to all teams!! - and an extra note to Lazy K, who found his 200th cache on his birthday. Happy Birthday Dan! Almost an event cache, huh? Huzzah! Huzzah! Huzzah! (log books in the air!) Rob Team CHUMP -----Original Message----- From: Mak Smith [mailto:lord_frieza16@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 20:15 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Another 500 Congratulations to Team Sand Dollar for reaching 500!! I don't even think I would ever come anywhere close to those kind of numbers :) Also, congrats to ropingthewind for reaching 300, LazyK and Highpointer for reaching 200, and GeoRaptor reaching 100. Hopefully, I will join all of you up there, but maybe I'm just dreaming :) Right now, I'm only almost halfway to 100. Frieza _____ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs, a Yahoo! service - Search Thousands of New Jobs ------_=_NextPart_001_01C247FE.1124E0D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"

Lots of milestones - the forests must be open!

Quin, Bi, and Centennial finds - you keep the game going!

Congrats to all teams!! - and an extra note to Lazy K, who found

his 200th cache on his birthday. Happy Birthday Dan!

Almost an event cache, huh?

Huzzah! Huzzah! Huzzah! (log books in the air!)

Rob

Team CHUMP

-----Original Message-----
From: Mak Smith [mailto:lord_frieza16@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 20:15
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Another 500

Frieza

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HotJobs, a Yahoo! service - Search Thousands of New Jobs ------_=_NextPart_001_01C247FE.1124E0D0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 20 05:45:40 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:45:40 EDT Subject: [Az-Geocaching] another 500 Message-ID: <11c.15ae8eb1.2a933184@aol.com> --part1_11c.15ae8eb1.2a933184_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Loren a big Congratulations on 500 finds! We are approaching 400 and it seems like we just found Mission RIP for our big 100. I guess the fun and the obsession just kind of take over. What's this about you leaving AZ for the north? When are you heading out if it is true? We will miss seeing all of your sand dollars in the caches. Kelly-"roadrunners" --part1_11c.15ae8eb1.2a933184_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Loren a big Congratulations on 500 finds! We are approaching 400 and it seems like we just found Mission RIP for our big 100. I guess the fun and the obsession just kind of take over. What's this about you leaving AZ for the north? When are you heading out if it is true? We will miss seeing all of your sand dollars in the caches.

Kelly-"roadrunners" --part1_11c.15ae8eb1.2a933184_boundary-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 20 05:53:27 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken Akerman) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:53:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] At least it wasn't yellow In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020503130304.00a72920@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: <20020820055327.62431.qmail@web21102.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1493319656-1029822807=:62300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Geocaching survey: What type of geocaching do you prefer?: 1) Easily-accessible caches that require little or no hiking to get to, or 2) Caches farther away from roads and parking areas that require medium to long hikes to reach (1 mile round-trip or more). Please send me an e-mail describing which option you prefer. Thank you. Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) --0-1493319656-1029822807=:62300 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Geocaching survey:

What type of geocaching do you prefer?:

1) Easily-accessible caches that require little or no hiking to get to, or

2) Caches farther away from roads and parking areas that require medium to long hikes to reach (1 mile round-trip or more).

Please send me an e-mail describing which option you prefer. Thank you.

Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer)

--0-1493319656-1029822807=:62300-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 20 06:44:50 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Fleg .) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:44:50 -0600 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] At least it wasn't yellow Message-ID: I love 4X4 caches!! To bad there are no real ones in ABQ :( Michael Team TJ _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 20 07:27:17 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (WOLFB8) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:27:17 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] At least it wasn't yellow References: Message-ID: <024501c2481b$b32bbc60$bfd36844@Libby> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_023A_01C247E0.57083FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable have to go with Team TJ on this one......4x4 or one that are about 1/2 = mile round trip so that the cousin can do them with me. I think the = easiest way to tell what kind of cache people like is to look at what = kind of cache they hide...... We will be known by the tracks we leave behind ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Fleg .=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 11:44 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] At least it wasn't yellow I love 4X4 caches!! To bad there are no real ones in ABQ :( Michael Team TJ _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com ------=_NextPart_000_023A_01C247E0.57083FC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

have to go with Team TJ on this = one......4x4 or one=20 that are about 1/2 mile round trip so that the cousin can do them with = me. I=20 think the easiest way to tell what kind of cache people like is to look = at what=20 kind of cache they hide......

We will be known by the tracks we leave behind

----- Original Message -----

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I love 4X4 caches!! To bad there are no real ones = in ABQ=20 :(

Michael
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http://www.azgeocaching.com ------=_NextPart_000_023A_01C247E0.57083FC0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 20 07:37:09 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (WOLFB8) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:37:09 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] At least it wasn't yellow References: <024501c2481b$b32bbc60$bfd36844@Libby> Message-ID: <025301c2481d$87113ae0$bfd36844@Libby> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0250_01C247E1.B77E0BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable o and the one kind that the cousin have no use for is micro....as they = have put it " It is not treasure hunting...... there is no treasure" We will be known by the tracks we leave behind ----- Original Message -----=20 From: WOLFB8=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 12:27 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] At least it wasn't yellow have to go with Team TJ on this one......4x4 or one that are about 1/2 = mile round trip so that the cousin can do them with me. I think the = easiest way to tell what kind of cache people like is to look at what = kind of cache they hide...... We will be known by the tracks we leave behind ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Fleg .=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 11:44 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] At least it wasn't yellow I love 4X4 caches!! To bad there are no real ones in ABQ :( Michael Team TJ _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: = http://messenger.msn.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com ------=_NextPart_000_0250_01C247E1.B77E0BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

o and the one kind that the cousin have = no use for=20 is micro....as they have put it " It is not treasure hunting...... there = is no=20 treasure"

We will be known by the tracks we leave behind

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 WOLFB8 =
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 = 12:27=20 AM

Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] At = least it=20 wasn't yellow

have to go with Team TJ on this = one......4x4 or=20 one that are about 1/2 mile round trip so that the cousin can do them = with me.=20 I think the easiest way to tell what kind of cache people like is to = look at=20 what kind of cache they hide......

We will be known by the tracks we leave behind

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Fleg .=20
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 = 11:44=20 PM

Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = At least=20 it wasn't yellow

I love 4X4 caches!! To bad there are no real = ones in=20 ABQ :(

Michael
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------=_NextPart_000_0250_01C247E1.B77E0BE0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 20 08:39:19 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (teamcbx2) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:39:19 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] At least it wasn't yellow In-Reply-To: <20020820055327.62431.qmail@web21102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C247EA.671146A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We love the easily accessible ones in the heat of the summer. Also love the 4x4's , and the ones that are 2 miles or less for those of us out of shape and in the over 40's club. Team CBx2 -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Ken Akerman Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 10:53 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] At least it wasn't yellow Geocaching survey: What type of geocaching do you prefer?: 1) Easily-accessible caches that require little or no hiking to get to, or 2) Caches farther away from roads and parking areas that require medium to long hikes to reach (1 mile round-trip or more). Please send me an e-mail describing which option you prefer. Thank you. Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C247EA.671146A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

We=20 love the easily accessible ones in the heat of the summer. Also = love the=20 4x4's , and the ones that are 2 miles or less for those of us out = of shape=20 and in the over 40's club.

Team=20 CBx2

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of = Ken=20 Akerman
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 10:53 PM
To: = listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] At = least it=20 wasn't yellow

Geocaching survey:=20
What type of geocaching do you prefer?:=20
1) Easily-accessible caches that require little or no = hiking to=20 get to, or=20
2) Caches farther away from roads and parking areas that require = medium to=20 long hikes to reach (1 mile round-trip or more).=20
Please send me an e-mail describing which option you prefer. = Thank=20 you.=20
Ken (a.k.a.=20 Highpointer)

------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C247EA.671146A0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 20 12:22:37 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Joe Brekke) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 05:22:37 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] At least it wasn't yellow References: <20020820055327.62431.qmail@web21102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001d01c24844$45727460$5a32a8c0@default> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C24809.98C8D7C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It depends, In the summer I prefer caches that require 1 mile or less of a hike and = that are a terrain rating of 3 or less. Outside of the summer months I PREFER the longer caches...of a terrain = range of up to 4.5. However, one thing that you didn't get into in your questions was who = was with me. If it is just me and my 10 year old, we will go after = anything....but I do most of my caching with a baby (well I guess he's a = toddler now) but was a baby strapped to my back in a baby back pack. I = generally won't take him on anything where the terrain is more than a = 3.5...not because of the strain it puts on me, but it isn't appropriate = taking him on those...he's a human cargo and I have to be aware of what = the boulder hopping or climbing with him is doing to him...also the = weather in the hot months. I know that there are a lot of caching families out there and the caches = they choose to do may be because of limits that they have with their = children...It all comes down to why do we do this. For us, it is time = spent together...so I put the considerations of my family ahead of what = I would actually prefer to do when caching. Besides, they are all fun in one way or another. riginal Message -----=20 From: Ken Akerman=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] At least it wasn't yellow Geocaching survey:=20 What type of geocaching do you prefer?:=20 1) Easily-accessible caches that require little or no hiking to get = to, or=20 2) Caches farther away from roads and parking areas that require = medium to long hikes to reach (1 mile round-trip or more).=20 Please send me an e-mail describing which option you prefer. Thank = you.=20 Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C24809.98C8D7C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It depends,

In the summer I prefer caches that = require 1 mile=20 or less of a hike and that are a terrain rating of 3 or = less.

Outside of the summer months I PREFER = the longer=20 caches...of a terrain range of up to 4.5.

However, one thing that you didn't get = into in your=20 questions was who was with me. If it is just me and my 10 year = old, we=20 will go after anything....but I do most of my caching with a baby (well = I guess=20 he's a toddler now) but was a baby strapped to my back in a baby back=20 pack. I generally won't take him on anything where the=20 terrain is more than a 3.5...not because of the strain it = puts on me,=20 but it isn't appropriate taking him on those...he's a human cargo and I = have to=20 be aware of what the boulder hopping or climbing with him is doing to = him...also=20 the weather in the hot months.

I know that there are a lot of caching = families out=20 there and the caches they choose to do may be because of limits that = they have=20 with their children...It all comes down to why do we do this. For = us, it=20 is time spent together...so I put the considerations of my family ahead = of what=20 I would actually prefer to do when caching.

Besides, they are all fun in one way or = another.

riginal Message -----

From:=20 Ken = Akerman=20
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 = 10:53=20 PM

Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] At = least it=20 wasn't yellow

Geocaching survey:=20
What type of geocaching do you prefer?:=20
1) Easily-accessible caches that require little or no = hiking to=20 get to, or=20
2) Caches farther away from roads and parking areas that require = medium to=20 long hikes to reach (1 mile round-trip or more).=20
Please send me an e-mail describing which option you prefer. = Thank=20 you.=20
Ken (a.k.a.=20 Highpointer)

------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C24809.98C8D7C0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 20 14:23:46 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ford, Denny) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:23:46 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] At least it wasn't yellow Message-ID: I personally prefer the ones you can drive to with in a half mile, because it is real hard to get teenagers motivated on anything longer. High clearance roads suit my fancy, because the truck on is driven by two wheels and just quite ain't a yellow jeep. Tres Hombres -----Original Message----- From: Ken Akerman [mailto:ken@highpointer.com] Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 10:53 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] At least it wasn't yellow Geocaching survey: What type of geocaching do you prefer?: 1) Easily-accessible caches that require little or no hiking to get to, or 2) Caches farther away from roads and parking areas that require medium to long hikes to reach (1 mile round-trip or more). Please send me an e-mail describing which option you prefer. Thank you. Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 20 14:34:39 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Eric Quinn) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:34:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] At least it wasn't yellow In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020820143439.23761.qmail@web13113.mail.yahoo.com> --- "Ford, Denny" wrote: > I personally prefer the ones you can drive to with > in a half mile, because it is real hard to get > teenagers motivated on > anything longer. High clearance roads suit my > fancy, because the truck on is driven by two wheels > and just quite ain't > a yellow jeep. > > Tres Hombres Denny, You need to learn to hide caches in the fridge. Eric TD __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 20 14:54:41 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Chelby Geiss) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:54:41 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] At least it wasn't yellow In-Reply-To: <20020820055327.62431.qmail@web21102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: We definitely prefer the mile or longer hikes! Especially with the dogs! They could go all day! But this summer we have appreciated the nice 'park and cache' to keep us in practice! C:) Team desertSol Chelby & Kevin + Kiva and Lancer (German Shepherds) Apache Junction, AZ www.desertsol.com/~chelby/geocaching From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 20 14:55:11 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ed Philpott) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:55:11 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Many Milestones In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C2481E.E9AC5800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We add our congrats to all those that have made the next level. Ed & Mimi Philpott Trail Gypsy -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Bell, Robert Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 9:00 PM To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Many Milestones Lots of milestones - the forests must be open! Quin, Bi, and Centennial finds - you keep the game going! Congrats to all teams!! - and an extra note to Lazy K, who found his 200th cache on his birthday. Happy Birthday Dan! Almost an event cache, huh? Huzzah! Huzzah! Huzzah! (log books in the air!) Rob Team CHUMP -----Original Message----- From: Mak Smith [mailto:lord_frieza16@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 20:15 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Another 500 Congratulations to Team Sand Dollar for reaching 500!! I don't even think I would ever come anywhere close to those kind of numbers :) Also, congrats to ropingthewind for reaching 300, LazyK and Highpointer for reaching 200, and GeoRaptor reaching 100. Hopefully, I will join all of you up there, but maybe I'm just dreaming :) Right now, I'm only almost halfway to 100. Frieza ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs, a Yahoo! service - Search Thousands of New Jobs ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C2481E.E9AC5800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

We=20 add our congrats to all those that have made the next=20 level.

Ed=20 & Mimi Philpott

Trail=20 Gypsy

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of=20 Bell, Robert
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 9:00 = PM
To:=20 'listserv@azgeocaching.com'
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Many=20 Milestones

Lots=20 of milestones - the forests must be open!

Quin, Bi, and Centennial finds - you = keep the=20 game going!

Congrats to all teams!! - = and an=20 extra note to Lazy K, who found

his=20 200th cache on his birthday. Happy Birthday = Dan!

Almost an event cache, = huh?

Huzzah! Huzzah! Huzzah! (log books in the=20 air!)

Rob

Team=20 CHUMP

-----Original Message-----
From: Mak Smith=20 [mailto:lord_frieza16@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, August 19, = 2002=20 20:15
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject:=20 [Az-Geocaching] Re: Another 500

Congratulations to Team Sand Dollar for reaching 500!! I don't even = think I=20 would ever come anywhere close to those kind of numbers :) Also, = congrats to ropingthewind for reaching 300, LazyK and Highpointer for = reaching=20 200, and GeoRaptor reaching 100. Hopefully, I will join all of you up = there,=20 but maybe I'm just dreaming :) Right now, I'm only almost = halfway to=20 100.

Frieza

Do You Yahoo!?
= HotJobs,=20 a Yahoo! service - Search Thousands of New Jobs =

------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C2481E.E9AC5800-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 20 15:16:05 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ford, Denny) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:16:05 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Many Milestones Message-ID: Let me add my congrats to all the milestones reached Tres Hombres -----Original Message----- From: Ed Philpott [mailto:ephilpott@tbirdfurniture.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 7:55 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Many Milestones We add our congrats to all those that have made the next level. Ed & Mimi Philpott Trail Gypsy -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Bell, Robert Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 9:00 PM To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Many Milestones Lots of milestones - the forests must be open! Quin, Bi, and Centennial finds - you keep the game going! Congrats to all teams!! - and an extra note to Lazy K, who found his 200th cache on his birthday. Happy Birthday Dan! Almost an event cache, huh? Huzzah! Huzzah! Huzzah! (log books in the air!) Rob Team CHUMP -----Original Message----- From: Mak Smith [mailto:lord_frieza16@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 20:15 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Another 500 Congratulations to Team Sand Dollar for reaching 500!! I don't even think I would ever come anywhere close to those kind of numbers :) Also, congrats to ropingthewind for reaching 300, LazyK and Highpointer for reaching 200, and GeoRaptor reaching 100. Hopefully, I will join all of you up there, but maybe I'm just dreaming :) Right now, I'm only almost halfway to 100. Frieza _____ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs, a Yahoo! service - Search Thousands of New Jobs From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 20 15:18:05 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ford, Denny) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:18:05 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] At least it wasn't yellow Message-ID: Eric Wrote "You need to learn to hide caches in the fridge." . That is one reason I have a pickup so I can carry large ice chest with food, and why it must be within .5 mile of the truck, if not they go into withdrawl, you know they start to die without food every 45 minutes. -----Original Message----- From: Eric Quinn [mailto:halthron@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 7:35 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] At least it wasn't yellow --- "Ford, Denny" wrote: > I personally prefer the ones you can drive to with > in a half mile, because it is real hard to get > teenagers motivated on > anything longer. High clearance roads suit my > fancy, because the truck on is driven by two wheels > and just quite ain't > a yellow jeep. > > Tres Hombres Denny, You need to learn to hide caches in the fridge. Eric TD __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 20 16:20:14 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:20:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] The problem with public land Message-ID: <20020820092014.1321.h014.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Well, thank goodness they will not be charging the Bull Bison with "charging"......or ASSAULT! Geez! Yup, the guy was an idiot. Maybe his "self-induced" injuries should be sufficient punishment, though. Trisha "Lightning" On Sat, 17 August 2002, "Jan Allbright" wrote:

no... getting within 25 yards is harassment

and not all that bright either

-----Original Message-----
From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Regan Smith
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 09:04
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] The problem with public land

I saw this today and thought what will be next

http://msn.espn.go.com/outdoors/conservation/news/2002/0809/1416254.html

if taking a picture is harassment.

Team Evil Fish

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"Although no one can go back and
make a brand new start,
Anyone can start from now and
make a brand new ending."
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From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 20 16:46:57 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Justin Sever) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:46:57 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] At least it wasn't yellow In-Reply-To: <20020820055327.62431.qmail@web21102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001c01c24869$3277c070$0200a8c0@laptop7500> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C2482E.8620B0A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I prefer both. If I have the time on a weekend, I love doing the caches further away from the roads that require a long hike. (Lost Ark has been my favorite so far), but during the heat of the summer and on the weekdays, if I'm running errand's around town, and happen to see a cache in the area, I like the close one, that I can grab while I'm in the area. -Frobro Goose -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Ken Akerman Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 10:53 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] At least it wasn't yellow Geocaching survey: What type of geocaching do you prefer?: 1) Easily-accessible caches that require little or no hiking to get to, or 2) Caches farther away from roads and parking areas that require medium to long hikes to reach (1 mile round-trip or more). Please send me an e-mail describing which option you prefer. Thank you. Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C2482E.8620B0A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

I=20 prefer both. If I have the time on a weekend, I love doing = the=20 caches further away from the roads that require a long hike. (Lost = Ark has=20 been my favorite so far), but during the heat of the summer and on the = weekdays,=20 if I'm running errand's around town, and happen to see a cache in the = area, I=20 like the close one, that I can grab while I'm in the = area.

-Frobro Goose

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = Ken=20 Akerman
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 10:53 PM
To: = listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] At = least it=20 wasn't yellow

Geocaching survey:=20
What type of geocaching do you prefer?:=20
1) Easily-accessible caches that require little or no = hiking to=20 get to, or=20
2) Caches farther away from roads and parking areas that require = medium to=20 long hikes to reach (1 mile round-trip or more).=20
Please send me an e-mail describing which option you prefer. = Thank=20 you.=20
Ken (a.k.a.=20 Highpointer)

------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C2482E.8620B0A0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 20 16:45:28 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:45:28 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] The problem with public land In-Reply-To: <20020820092014.1321.h014.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.critical path.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020820094154.00aa6a30@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 09:20 AM 8/20/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Well, thank goodness they will not be charging the Bull Bison with >"charging"......or ASSAULT! Geez! Yup, the guy was an idiot. Maybe his >"self-induced" injuries should be sufficient punishment, though. Trisha >"Lightning" On Sat, 17 August 2002, "Jan Allbright" wrote: That was my point. If I were either him, or one of the people around him, I would be far less likely to do this in the future because of the injuries instead of the fine. I am not suggesting that it is a good idea to approach wild animals, and I am not even suggesting that there shouldn't be laws against it, but if this guy has already suffered these sort of injuries, that is a far more effective punishment than any fine. :-) Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 20 16:56:06 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken Akerman) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:56:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Summer is no problem: go geocaching at high elevations In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020503130304.00a72920@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: <20020820165606.38158.qmail@web21109.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1857544483-1029862566=:38122 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Comment from another geocacher: Outside of the summer months I PREFER the longer caches...of a terrain = range of up to 4.5. Hot weather in the Phoenix area is not a problem during summer - because we are only about a two-hour drive from cooler weather in the higher elevations of the state, where there is a lot of open space for geocaching and other outdoor activities. There are many good caches in areas like Flagstaff, Sedona, Payson, and Prescott, and there is room for a lot more caches in those regions. In my opinion, I believe we need a higher percentage of the caches in our state to be in the high elevations. Bins Keep Forever (a cache near Sedona that is great to visit with your significant other) and Breath Taker (a hike to the summit of Kendrick Mountain near Flagstaff) are two great examples of challenging summertime caches. I haven't done either of these two yet, but I will visit at least one of them this weekend. There are other caches at the high elevations in forested land that are relatively close to roads, such as Sacagewea's Retreat in Munds Park and BAG's Bowl near Arizona Snowbowl. Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) --0-1857544483-1029862566=:38122 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Comment from another geocacher:

Outside of the summer months I PREFER the longer caches...of a terrain = range of up to 4.5.

Hot weather in the Phoenix area is not a problem during summer - because we are only about a two-hour drive from cooler weather in the higher elevations of the state, where there is a lot of open space for geocaching and other outdoor activities. There are many good caches in areas like Flagstaff, Sedona, Payson, and Prescott, and there is room for a lot more caches in those regions.

In my opinion, I believe we need a higher percentage of the caches in our state to be in the high elevations. Bins Keep Forever (a cache near Sedona that is great to visit with your significant other) and Breath Taker (a hike to the summit of Kendrick Mountain near Flagstaff) are two great examples of challenging summertime caches. I haven't done either of these two yet, but I will visit at least one of them this weekend. There are other caches at the high elevations in forested land that are relatively close to roads, such as Sacagewea's Retreat in Munds Park and BAG's Bowl near Arizona Snowbowl.

Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer)

--0-1857544483-1029862566=:38122-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 20 17:33:03 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bell, Robert) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:33:03 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] At least it wasn't yellow Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2486F.A362DC10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I guess I prefer the shorter ones. Not that I won't do a longer one, but if I have my son, who is 6, a couple miles or so is pretty tough. 2 miles or more is about out of reach for us. And as stated, a few miles of hiking during the summer down low is pretty much a given that's not going to happen... Rob Team CHUMP -----Original Message----- From: Justin Sever [mailto:justinsever@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 9:47 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] At least it wasn't yellow I prefer both. If I have the time on a weekend, I love doing the caches further away from the roads that require a long hike. (Lost Ark has been my favorite so far), but during the heat of the summer and on the weekdays, if I'm running errand's around town, and happen to see a cache in the area, I like the close one, that I can grab while I'm in the area. -Frobro Goose -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Ken Akerman Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 10:53 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] At least it wasn't yellow Geocaching survey: What type of geocaching do you prefer?: 1) Easily-accessible caches that require little or no hiking to get to, or 2) Caches farther away from roads and parking areas that require medium to long hikes to reach (1 mile round-trip or more). Please send me an e-mail describing which option you prefer. Thank you. Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2486F.A362DC10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Message

I guess I prefer the shorter ones. Not that I won't do a longer one,

but if I have my son, who is 6, a couple miles or so is pretty tough.

2 miles or more is about out of reach for us.

And as stated, a few miles of hiking during the summer down low

is pretty much a given that's not going to happen...

Rob

Team CHUMP

-----Original Message-----
From: Justin Sever [mailto:justinsever@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 9:47
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] At least it wasn't yellow

I prefer both. If I have the time on a weekend, I love doing the caches further away from the roads that require a long hike. (Lost Ark has been my favorite so far), but during the heat of the summer and on the weekdays, if I'm running errand's around town, and happen to see a cache in the area, I like the close one, that I can grab while I'm in the area.

-Frobro Goose

-----Original Message-----
From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Ken Akerman
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 10:53 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] At least it wasn't yellow

Geocaching survey:
What type of geocaching do you prefer?:
1) Easily-accessible caches that require little or no hiking to get to, or
2) Caches farther away from roads and parking areas that require medium to long hikes to reach (1 mile round-trip or more).
Please send me an e-mail describing which option you prefer. Thank you.
Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer)

------_=_NextPart_001_01C2486F.A362DC10-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 20 17:37:16 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Koch, Dan) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:37:16 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Team Imperial Eagle Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C24870.39EA7940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Has anyone heard from Darren of Team Imperial Eagle lately? He's been quiet and I haven't gotten any responses to any email I've sent his direction. Hope everything is all right with him. Wasn't it his mom that had some health issues earlier in the year? Dan Team LazyK ------_=_NextPart_001_01C24870.39EA7940 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"

Has anyone heard from Darren of Team Imperial Eagle lately? He's been quiet and I haven't gotten any responses to any email I've sent his direction.

Hope everything is all right with him. Wasn't it his mom that had some health issues earlier in the year?

Dan

Team LazyK

------_=_NextPart_001_01C24870.39EA7940-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 20 20:04:31 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bob Renner) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:04:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Team Imperial Eagle In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020820200431.78121.qmail@web40405.mail.yahoo.com> I stopped in and talked to Darren the other week. If you remember, his computer had an email virus that was sending email out to everyone on his address book. He didn't have it completely up and running when I talked to him, so I guess he won't be talking on this listserver for a little while longer. His mother was doing OK the last I heard. She had a heart atack but has recovered from that. Bob --- "Koch, Dan" wrote: > Has anyone heard from Darren of Team Imperial Eagle > lately? He's been quiet > and I haven't gotten any responses to any email I've > sent his direction. > > Hope everything is all right with him. Wasn't it > his mom that had some > health issues earlier in the year? > > Dan > Team LazyK > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 20 20:49:34 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Dennis Wodarz) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:49:34 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: Preferred Type of Cache In-Reply-To: <200208201635.JAA23149@ns2.sequoia.net> Message-ID: <005101c2488b$17765440$0b00a8c0@woodlaptop> I really prefer the ones that require a hike, biking or climbing or whatever. However, I also enjoy doing the ones that involve some mental challenge. Many of the urban caches have clever hiding places, riddles, difficult to get to locations or clues that require some thought. I like to do 1 or 2 of these when there isn't enough time to for a longer trip or big adventure. Frobro D-Dubs From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 20 21:40:00 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: 20 Aug 2002 14:40:00 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] It's not as bad as we have been told Message-ID: <1029879600.25442.38.camel@fone.snaptek.com> I just got off the from with a guy named Brad that is affiliated with the State trust land managment. He is currently in possession of the "Sign from the past III" cache that was taken. The conversation that we had was very positive and he really likes the idea of geocaching and actually wants to promote it, to the point that he wished that he could donate money to geocaching. The only thing that he asks is that everyone gets a permit before entering the last (which we should already know) that they we don't put caches on archeology sites. If caches are put on any archeolory site they will be confiscated and the owner will have a month to pick it up. He personally isn't pointing a finger at geocaching for any damage to the above site, since he doesn't know for sure that we did or would do any damage to any site.... (very cool!) For caches that might be put on an archeology site that we don't even know that it's an archeology site they will check things out and if it's just near a site and we aren't causeing any damage they will probably just leave it there, since it could be better to keep the site a secret than to let us know it exists by taking the cache. All in all, it sounds like the news paper blew things waaaaaay out of proportion and gave us a bad name in doing so. Anyway, I just wanted to let people know of the situation in reality. Plus he asked me to pass on their rules that they would like us to observe... so pretty much what it amounts to is caches as usual minus a couple of caches that point out some history, but all in all good news. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 20 21:47:21 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jim Scotti) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:47:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] It's not as bad as we have been told In-Reply-To: <1029879600.25442.38.camel@fone.snaptek.com> Message-ID: Hey Brian, Thanks for forwarding the info. Two questions, how much of the state trust land does he speak for? Would there be a similar contact we should make down here in Tucson? Second, I wonder what he would think of a virtual cache at well known archeology or historical sites. I suppose there aren't many of those on state trust land since they would probably be under the National Park service (or maybe should be...). Places like ghost towns or whatever. There's one cache down here which is planted in an old rock wall (from the early 1900s) and near the remains of an old dam and there are several petroglyph sites including a prominant one on a rock in the canyon leading up to the dam. It's not on park land and it's a pretty popular hiking trail, so that probably doesn't fit the bill either, but there may be other areas like that that do.... Jim. On 20 Aug 2002, Brian Cluff wrote: > I just got off the from with a guy named Brad that is affiliated with > the State trust land managment. He is currently in possession of the > "Sign from the past III" cache that was taken. > The conversation that we had was very positive and he really likes the > idea of geocaching and actually wants to promote it, to the point that > he wished that he could donate money to geocaching. > The only thing that he asks is that everyone gets a permit before > entering the last (which we should already know) that they we don't put > caches on archeology sites. If caches are put on any archeolory site > they will be confiscated and the owner will have a month to pick it up. > He personally isn't pointing a finger at geocaching for any damage to > the above site, since he doesn't know for sure that we did or would do > any damage to any site.... (very cool!) > For caches that might be put on an archeology site that we don't even > know that it's an archeology site they will check things out and if it's > just near a site and we aren't causeing any damage they will probably > just leave it there, since it could be better to keep the site a secret > than to let us know it exists by taking the cache. > All in all, it sounds like the news paper blew things waaaaaay out of > proportion and gave us a bad name in doing so. > > Anyway, I just wanted to let people know of the situation in reality. > Plus he asked me to pass on their rules that they would like us to > observe... so pretty much what it amounts to is caches as usual minus a > couple of caches that point out some history, but all in all good news. > > Brian Cluff > Team Snaptek > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > Jim Scotti Lunar & Planetary Laboratory jscotti@pirl.lpl.arizona.edu University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 USA http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 20 22:15:50 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: 20 Aug 2002 15:15:50 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] It's not as bad as we have been told In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1029881750.25540.11.camel@fone.snaptek.com> On Tue, 2002-08-20 at 14:47, Jim Scotti wrote: > Thanks for forwarding the info. Two questions, how much of the state > trust land does he speak for? Would there be a similar contact we should > make down here in Tucson? I have no idea. I actually forgot to ask what his exact job is. All i know is that when I was trying to call him and he wasn't there are his voice mail said he was in "tresspass". > Second, I wonder what he would think of a virtual > cache at well known archeology or historical sites. I suppose there aren't > many of those on state trust land since they would probably be under the > National Park service (or maybe should be...). Places like ghost towns or > whatever. There's one cache down here which is planted in an old rock wall > (from the early 1900s) and near the remains of an old dam and there are > several petroglyph sites including a prominant one on a rock in the canyon > leading up to the dam. It's not on park land and it's a pretty popular > hiking trail, so that probably doesn't fit the bill either, but there may be > other areas like that that do.... I can't say for sure. I know that he was very worried about people walking around on top of archeology sites and possibly ruining stuff just below the surface. As for quite well known sites, I think it would deend on the site. He sounded very open to helping us, so it would probably be OK to contact him and bounce the location of the proposed cache off of him and see if it would be OK to place it there. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 20 22:13:15 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Mark Heitowit) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:13:15 -0700 Subject: [[Az-Geocaching] It's not as bad as we have been told] Message-ID: <20020820221315.28344.qmail@uwdvg002.cms.usa.net> Brian: Have you ever thought of being a reporter. With just one phone conversation, it appears that you did more research than the Republic. Of course you probably could not get a job at the Republic, as truth and accuracy does not sell papers. Thanks for update. Mark, Magical Memories Brian Cluff wrote: > I just got off the from with a guy named Brad that is affiliated with > the State trust land managment. He is currently in possession of the > "Sign from the past III" cache that was taken. > The conversation that we had was very positive and he really likes the > idea of geocaching and actually wants to promote it, to the point that > he wished that he could donate money to geocaching. > The only thing that he asks is that everyone gets a permit before > entering the last (which we should already know) that they we don't put > caches on archeology sites. If caches are put on any archeolory site > they will be confiscated and the owner will have a month to pick it up. > He personally isn't pointing a finger at geocaching for any damage to > the above site, since he doesn't know for sure that we did or would do > any damage to any site.... (very cool!) > For caches that might be put on an archeology site that we don't even > know that it's an archeology site they will check things out and if it's > just near a site and we aren't causeing any damage they will probably > just leave it there, since it could be better to keep the site a secret > than to let us know it exists by taking the cache. > All in all, it sounds like the news paper blew things waaaaaay out of > proportion and gave us a bad name in doing so. > > Anyway, I just wanted to let people know of the situation in reality. > Plus he asked me to pass on their rules that they would like us to > observe... so pretty much what it amounts to is caches as usual minus a > couple of caches that point out some history, but all in all good news. > > Brian Cluff > Team Snaptek > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 20 22:25:42 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Cody Brown) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:25:42 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] It's not as bad as we have been told Message-ID: The Republic wouldn't pay Brian what he's worth. :-) Cody, Team CBX2 |---------+---------------------------------------------> | | Mark Heitowit | | | Sent by: | | | az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeo| | | caching.com | | | | | | | | | 08/20/02 03:13 PM | | | Please respond to listserv | | | | |---------+---------------------------------------------> >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: | | cc: | | Subject: Re: [[Az-Geocaching] It's not as bad as we have been told] | >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| Brian: Have you ever thought of being a reporter. With just one phone conversation, it appears that you did more research than the Republic. Of course you probably could not get a job at the Republic, as truth and accuracy does not sell papers. Thanks for update. Mark, Magical Memories Brian Cluff wrote: > I just got off the from with a guy named Brad that is affiliated with > the State trust land managment. He is currently in possession of the > "Sign from the past III" cache that was taken. > The conversation that we had was very positive and he really likes the > idea of geocaching and actually wants to promote it, to the point that > he wished that he could donate money to geocaching. > The only thing that he asks is that everyone gets a permit before > entering the last (which we should already know) that they we don't put > caches on archeology sites. If caches are put on any archeolory site > they will be confiscated and the owner will have a month to pick it up. > He personally isn't pointing a finger at geocaching for any damage to > the above site, since he doesn't know for sure that we did or would do > any damage to any site.... (very cool!) > For caches that might be put on an archeology site that we don't even > know that it's an archeology site they will check things out and if it's > just near a site and we aren't causeing any damage they will probably > just leave it there, since it could be better to keep the site a secret > than to let us know it exists by taking the cache. > All in all, it sounds like the news paper blew things waaaaaay out of > proportion and gave us a bad name in doing so. > > Anyway, I just wanted to let people know of the situation in reality. > Plus he asked me to pass on their rules that they would like us to > observe... so pretty much what it amounts to is caches as usual minus a > couple of caches that point out some history, but all in all good news. > > Brian Cluff > Team Snaptek > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 20 22:38:43 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:38:43 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] At least it wasn't yellow References: Message-ID: <003c01c2489a$57fc2120$2820b83f@fishkiller> Team Evil Fish prefer the caches that we can find......for instance was in the neighborhood or Silly Mountain, I have hiked that hill a few times in different physical conditions, Monday evening the weather was nice enough and off I went solo thought I had the mountain to myself but half way up found I was wrong as there were a couple of people sitting so off to the top,( now if I could remember which cache is suppose to be located where I would have log a no find but alas will need to go again) but I spent 30 minutes collecting beer cans and talking to lizzards before I went to the lower cache, then spent until the sun was setting looking under every rock I could....getting dark, and no water, down I went back to the car for more water... There has to be a balance between near the car and easy to find, I mean Lakeside Property was interesting but things like Bunnitos are better. Though the differences between Crismon Tide and Lil Sister or even Tennis Elbow make things fun, Finding a well stocked cache is the meaning of Caching... > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 20 22:46:52 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:46:52 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] What have we learned? References: <1029879600.25442.38.camel@fone.snaptek.com> Message-ID: <006601c2489b$7ae5b380$2820b83f@fishkiller> Team Evil Fish has another thought.. I know there is a way that all of us can get our heads together and write a nice set of Geocaching Rules alittle more specific than on the Main website... Questions to ask... Will this cache cause undo dammage from heavier foot traffic? Will this cache at its present location be stumbled on without specific looking? if spotted by a non Cacher proper responses... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Cluff" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 2:40 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] It's not as bad as we have been told > I just got off the from with a guy named Brad that is affiliated with > the State trust land managment. He is currently in possession of the > "Sign from the past III" cache that was taken. > The conversation that we had was very positive and he really likes the > idea of geocaching and actually wants to promote it, to the point that > he wished that he could donate money to geocaching. > The only thing that he asks is that everyone gets a permit before > entering the last (which we should already know) that they we don't put > caches on archeology sites. If caches are put on any archeolory site > they will be confiscated and the owner will have a month to pick it up. > He personally isn't pointing a finger at geocaching for any damage to > the above site, since he doesn't know for sure that we did or would do > any damage to any site.... (very cool!) > For caches that might be put on an archeology site that we don't even > know that it's an archeology site they will check things out and if it's > just near a site and we aren't causeing any damage they will probably > just leave it there, since it could be better to keep the site a secret > than to let us know it exists by taking the cache. > All in all, it sounds like the news paper blew things waaaaaay out of > proportion and gave us a bad name in doing so. > > Anyway, I just wanted to let people know of the situation in reality. > Plus he asked me to pass on their rules that they would like us to > observe... so pretty much what it amounts to is caches as usual minus a > couple of caches that point out some history, but all in all good news. > > Brian Cluff > Team Snaptek > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 20 22:55:16 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Eric Quinn) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:55:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] At least it wasn't yellow In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020820225516.90081.qmail@web13114.mail.yahoo.com> There's times when we prefer a local cache and times we prefer a more remote one. Like most people, we are waiting until it cools off before hitting the mountains around the valley again. I'd like to hunt in the mountains to the north and east but that won't happen until I land a job. Eric Team Dragon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 20 23:09:58 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:09:58 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] At least it wasn't yellow In-Reply-To: <20020820225516.90081.qmail@web13114.mail.yahoo.com> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020820160603.02a32600@mail.myblueheaven.com> I have to admit that I like both types of caches. I don't care a lot for long hikes in the middle of the summer. The quality of the cache, and the enjoyment seems to have little to do with how far I have to go to get it. While we like getting out and finding caches that take us through nice country on a hike, we also like the ones that are clever. "910.285" in the Phoenix area comes to mind. Not at all a long hike, but it is one of the more memorable caches that we have found. Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 20 23:19:04 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:19:04 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] What have we learned? In-Reply-To: <006601c2489b$7ae5b380$2820b83f@fishkiller> References: <1029879600.25442.38.camel@fone.snaptek.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020820161029.02a34ec0@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 03:46 PM 8/20/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Team Evil Fish has another thought.. > >I know there is a way that all of us can get our heads together and write a >nice set of Geocaching Rules alittle more specific than on the Main >website... Questions to ask... I guess I am a libertarian geocacher. I don't want to see more and more rules. All that will do is strangle all the fun out of geocaching. I think that the rules that are laid out on the geocaching.com website are more than adequate. We are trapped in the situation that there was a perceived problem, that perceived problem was not that the sites were being destroyed, but that geocachers were destroying sites. I think that we have more than established that geocaching was not the vilian, and it was most likely not geocachers that were destroying the sites, we seem to want to make rules to solve a problem that isn't actually a problem. >Will this cache cause undo dammage from heavier foot traffic? >Will this cache at its present location be stumbled on without specific >looking? Both of those are very subjective, some land managers claim that a single person does undo damage. If you make a rule, who gets to enforce the rule? I think that both of those questions are valid, but the are valid to ask yourself when you place your cache. They certainly shouldn't be part of the rules of geocaching. Just my libertarian geocacher $0.02! Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 20 23:46:36 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: 20 Aug 2002 16:46:36 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] What have we learned? In-Reply-To: <006601c2489b$7ae5b380$2820b83f@fishkiller> References: <1029879600.25442.38.camel@fone.snaptek.com> <006601c2489b$7ae5b380$2820b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: <1029887196.25766.6.camel@fone.snaptek.com> On Tue, 2002-08-20 at 15:46, Regan Smith wrote: > Team Evil Fish has another thought.. > > I know there is a way that all of us can get our heads together and write a > nice set of Geocaching Rules alittle more specific than on the Main > website... Questions to ask... I think thats a great idea, but not "rules". I would like to see some helpful guidelines to geocaching in arizona, complete with phonenumbers and locations to buy permits, what specific things the different land management entities would like us to do and not do. I don't want to make any hard rules... just point people in the right direction and let them decided if a cache should be places in a certain location, how often it should be moved... etc...etc, because it all is relative. I'm actually certain that there have to be some archeology sites out there that could be made into geocaches. It would just have to be done with permission and probably done in a certain way. In any case, arizona can be fairly unique when I comes to placeing caches and we should probably have some info available to people in this state. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 21 00:08:52 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Joe Brekke) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 17:08:52 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] What have we learned? References: <1029879600.25442.38.camel@fone.snaptek.com> <006601c2489b$7ae5b380$2820b83f@fishkiller> <1029887196.25766.6.camel@fone.snaptek.com> Message-ID: <000701c248a6$eeed5f20$5a32a8c0@default> > I think thats a great idea, but not "rules". I would like to see some > helpful guidelines to geocaching in arizona, complete with phonenumbers > and locations to buy permits, what specific things the different land > management entities would like us to do and not do. > I don't want to make any hard rules... just point people in the right > direction and let them decided if a cache should be places in a certain > location, how often it should be moved... etc...etc, because it all is > relative. I'm actually certain that there have to be some archeology > sites out there that could be made into geocaches. It would just have > to be done with permission and probably done in a certain way. > In any case, arizona can be fairly unique when I comes to placeing > caches and we should probably have some info available to people in this > state. This all sounds reasonable and helpful to me. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 20 15:11:18 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brent Milner) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:11:18 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Many Milestones In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C24821.299B7610 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Big hearty handshakes to all who have reached those pretty round numbers! By the time I get there, it's gonna be a ho-hum feat. :) - FroBro Q-Tip -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Bell, Robert Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 9:00 PM To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Many Milestones Lots of milestones - the forests must be open! Quin, Bi, and Centennial finds - you keep the game going! Congrats to all teams!! - and an extra note to Lazy K, who found his 200th cache on his birthday. Happy Birthday Dan! Almost an event cache, huh? Huzzah! Huzzah! Huzzah! (log books in the air!) Rob Team CHUMP -----Original Message----- From: Mak Smith [mailto:lord_frieza16@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 20:15 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Another 500 Congratulations to Team Sand Dollar for reaching 500!! I don't even think I would ever come anywhere close to those kind of numbers :) Also, congrats to ropingthewind for reaching 300, LazyK and Highpointer for reaching 200, and GeoRaptor reaching 100. Hopefully, I will join all of you up there, but maybe I'm just dreaming :) Right now, I'm only almost halfway to 100. Frieza ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs, a Yahoo! service - Search Thousands of New Jobs ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C24821.299B7610 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Big=20 hearty handshakes to all who have reached those pretty round=20 numbers!

By the=20 time I get there, it's gonna be a ho-hum feat. :)

-=20 FroBro Q-Tip

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of = Bell,=20 Robert
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 9:00 PM
To:=20 'listserv@azgeocaching.com'
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Many=20 Milestones

Lots=20 of milestones - the forests must be open!

Quin,=20 Bi, and Centennial finds - you keep the=20 game going!

Congrats to all teams!! - = and an extra=20 note to Lazy K, who found

his=20 200th cache on his birthday. Happy Birthday = Dan!

Almost=20 an event cache, huh?

Huzzah! Huzzah! Huzzah! (log books in the=20 air!)

Rob

Team=20 CHUMP

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From: Mak Smith=20 [mailto:lord_frieza16@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 = 20:15
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: = [Az-Geocaching]=20 Re: Another 500

Congratulations to Team Sand Dollar for reaching 500!! I don't even = think I=20 would ever come anywhere close to those kind of numbers :) Also, = congrats=20 to ropingthewind for reaching 300, LazyK and Highpointer for reaching = 200, and=20 GeoRaptor reaching 100. Hopefully, I will join all of you up there, but = maybe=20 I'm just dreaming :) Right now, I'm only almost halfway to = 100.

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= HotJobs,=20 a Yahoo! service - Search Thousands of New Jobs ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C24821.299B7610-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 21 00:47:33 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 17:47:33 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] What have we learned? References: <1029879600.25442.38.camel@fone.snaptek.com> <006601c2489b$7ae5b380$2820b83f@fishkiller> <1029887196.25766.6.camel@fone.snaptek.com> <000701c248a6$eeed5f20$5a32a8c0@default> Message-ID: <002a01c248ac$59288e00$c120b83f@fishkiller> SORRY about the "rules" was thinking Etiquette but the fingers had a mind of their own and I didn't proof before being sent,, guidelines would be better, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Brekke" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] What have we learned? > > I think thats a great idea, but not "rules". I would like to see some > > helpful guidelines to geocaching in arizona, complete with phonenumbers > > and locations to buy permits, what specific things the different land > > management entities would like us to do and not do. > > I don't want to make any hard rules... just point people in the right > > direction and let them decided if a cache should be places in a certain > > location, how often it should be moved... etc...etc, because it all is > > relative. I'm actually certain that there have to be some archeology > > sites out there that could be made into geocaches. It would just have > > to be done with permission and probably done in a certain way. > > In any case, arizona can be fairly unique when I comes to placeing > > caches and we should probably have some info available to people in this > > state. > > > This all sounds reasonable and helpful to me. > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 21 00:55:31 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Larry Farquhar) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 17:55:31 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] another 500 In-Reply-To: <000b01c247c2$d5e3d160$0400a8c0@one> Message-ID: <003501c248ad$73328cf0$3701a8c0@LARRY> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C24872.C6D3B4F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Congratulations Team Sand Dollar on your QUINCENTENNIAL cache find! That's no easy feat! BTW - It's been over a week since my last cache find. I thought you would have taken advantage of my slow period. :) Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of loran @cox Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 1:56 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] another 500 Thanks but I still need to get 500 AZ caches before I leave. The job is in the frozen north. Michigan. But there are over 500 caches. There is no way to ever get all the AZ caches. They are always new ones. Not unless Wyle stops caching for a while. I guess it up to ropingthewind to catch him or maybe the roadrunners. Loran (Team Sand Dollar ) ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C24872.C6D3B4F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

Congratulations Team Sand Dollar on your QUINCENTENNIAL cache = find!=20 That's no easy feat!

BTW -=20 It's been over a week since my last cache find. I thought you would have = taken=20 advantage of my slow period. :)

Larry = Farquhar

Team "Wyle E"

www.happy-wanderers.com

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = loran @cox
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 1:56 = PM
To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = another=20 500

Thanks but I still need to get 500 AZ = caches=20 before I leave.

The job is in the frozen north. = Michigan. But=20 there are over 500 caches.

There is no way to ever get all the = AZ caches.=20 They are always new ones.

Not unless Wyle stops caching for a = while. =20 I guess it up to ropingthewind to catch him or maybe the=20 roadrunners.

Loran (Team Sand Dollar )
------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C24872.C6D3B4F0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 21 01:13:23 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (loran @cox) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:13:23 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] another 500 References: <003501c248ad$73328cf0$3701a8c0@LARRY> Message-ID: <003c01c248af$f2686600$0400a8c0@one> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C24875.458C6EC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message=20 Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" Went to Michigan on a house hunting trip last week so I wasn't able to = take to much advantage of you. Made an offer today so I guess my AZ = caching days are numbered. With getting my house here ready to sell my = caching time will also be limited but I will be sure to break the 500 AZ = caches mark before I have to leave. So if you can be so kind as to not cache for a while longer I just might = be able to claim the number one spot in AZ for a couple of days. But = then there are others out there that are also getting up in the numbers = so you won't be able to rest for to long. Loran (Team Sand Dollar) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Larry Farquhar=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 5:55 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] another 500 Congratulations Team Sand Dollar on your QUINCENTENNIAL cache find! = That's no easy feat! BTW - It's been over a week since my last cache find. I thought you = would have taken advantage of my slow period. :) Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com = [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = loran @cox Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 1:56 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] another 500 Thanks but I still need to get 500 AZ caches before I leave. The job is in the frozen north. Michigan. But there are over 500 = caches. There is no way to ever get all the AZ caches. They are always new = ones. Not unless Wyle stops caching for a while. I guess it up to = ropingthewind to catch him or maybe the roadrunners. Loran (Team Sand Dollar )=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C24875.458C6EC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

Larry = Farquhar

Team "Wyle E"

Went to Michigan on a house hunting = trip last week=20 so I wasn't able to take to much advantage of you. Made an offer today = so I=20 guess my AZ caching days are numbered. With getting my house here = ready to=20 sell my caching time will also be limited but I will be sure to break = the 500 AZ=20 caches mark before I have to leave.

So if you can be so kind as to not = cache for a=20 while longer I just might be able to claim the number one spot in AZ for = a=20 couple of days. But then there are others out there that are also = getting=20 up in the numbers so you won't be able to rest for to long.

Loran (Team Sand Dollar)
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Larry = Farquhar
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 = 5:55=20 PM

Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] = another=20 500

Congratulations Team Sand Dollar on your QUINCENTENNIAL cache = find!=20 That's no easy feat!

BTW=20 - It's been over a week since my last cache find. I thought you would = have=20 taken advantage of my slow period. :)

Larry = Farquhar

Team "Wyle = E"

www.happy-wanderers.com

-----Original Message-----
From: az-geocachi= ng-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf = Of=20 loran @cox
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 1:56 = PM
To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = another=20 500

Thanks but I still need to get 500 = AZ caches=20 before I leave.

The job is in the frozen north. = Michigan. But=20 there are over 500 caches.

There is no way to ever get all the = AZ caches.=20 They are always new ones.

Not unless Wyle stops caching for a = while. I guess it up to ropingthewind to catch him or maybe = the=20 roadrunners.

Loran (Team Sand Dollar )
------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C24875.458C6EC0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 21 01:30:15 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: 20 Aug 2002 18:30:15 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] It's not as bad as we have been told In-Reply-To: <20020820221315.28344.qmail@uwdvg002.cms.usa.net> References: <20020820221315.28344.qmail@uwdvg002.cms.usa.net> Message-ID: <1029893415.26329.10.camel@fone.snaptek.com> Well, a geocache that happened to be by an archeology site that was valdalized by unknown people isn't very controversial or very exciting till you start to take what you were told one step further, and stretch it's meaning. I personally don't get any papers or watch the news. I think that the media is destroying us little by little. They control exactly what we here and tend to like to hop onto trends like all the kidnappings that are going on would have you believe that the world seems to be coming to an end and nobody is safe anywhere, but in reality kidnaping are actually down quite a bit this year and it's just the medias latest pet story. When all this anthrax garbage was going around and everyone was panicing that they would drop dead from what they thought was a flu any second. My wife made a call to her family in spain and told them about it. They thought it was incredibly stupid that everyone was panicing over it because in spain alone about 40 or 50 people get anthrax every year, it's just not all that news worthy till our turbo-reportes pick it up and tell us that we are all doomed to die a horrible death within minutes. OK... I MUST get off this soap box or I'll be up here all night. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek On Tue, 2002-08-20 at 15:13, Mark Heitowit wrote: > Brian: > > Have you ever thought of being a reporter. With just one phone conversation, > it appears that you did more research than the Republic. Of course you > probably could not get a job at the Republic, as truth and accuracy does not > sell papers. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 21 01:35:32 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Larry Farquhar) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:35:32 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] another 500 In-Reply-To: <003c01c248af$f2686600$0400a8c0@one> Message-ID: <004801c248b3$0a01c830$3701a8c0@LARRY> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C24878.5DA2F030 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Really sorry to see you'll be leaving Arizona Loran. I'm sure you'll be giving the Michigan cache hunters a run for their money. As a farewell gift, I'd like to stop cache hunting for a while longer for you. But my caching withdrawal symptoms have reached the critical point! I NEED TO FIND A CACHE ! ! ! ! ! Be sure to let us know when you're close to leaving Arizona. We'll throw together an Arizona Geocaching event! Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of loran @cox Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 6:13 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] another 500 Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" Went to Michigan on a house hunting trip last week so I wasn't able to take to much advantage of you. Made an offer today so I guess my AZ caching days are numbered. With getting my house here ready to sell my caching time will also be limited but I will be sure to break the 500 AZ caches mark before I have to leave. So if you can be so kind as to not cache for a while longer I just might be able to claim the number one spot in AZ for a couple of days. But then there are others out there that are also getting up in the numbers so you won't be able to rest for to long. Loran (Team Sand Dollar) ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Farquhar To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 5:55 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] another 500 Congratulations Team Sand Dollar on your QUINCENTENNIAL cache find! That's no easy feat! BTW - It's been over a week since my last cache find. I thought you would have taken advantage of my slow period. :) Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of loran @cox Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 1:56 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] another 500 Thanks but I still need to get 500 AZ caches before I leave. The job is in the frozen north. Michigan. But there are over 500 caches. There is no way to ever get all the AZ caches. They are always new ones. Not unless Wyle stops caching for a while. I guess it up to ropingthewind to catch him or maybe the roadrunners. Loran (Team Sand Dollar ) ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C24878.5DA2F030 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Really sorry to see you'll be leaving Arizona = Loran. I'm=20 sure you'll be giving the Michigan cache hunters a run for their money. = As a=20 farewell gift, I'd like to stop cache hunting for a while longer for = you. But my=20 caching withdrawal symptoms have reached the critical = point!

I NEED=20 TO FIND A CACHE ! ! ! ! !

Be sure to let us know when you're close to = leaving=20 Arizona. We'll throw together an Arizona Geocaching=20 event!

Larry = Farquhar

Team "Wyle E"

www.happy-wanderers.com

-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = loran=20 @cox
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 6:13 PM
To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] another = 500

=20
Larry = Farquhar

Team "Wyle = E"

Went to Michigan on a house hunting = trip last=20 week so I wasn't able to take to much advantage of you. Made an offer = today so=20 I guess my AZ caching days are numbered. With getting my house = here=20 ready to sell my caching time will also be limited but I will be sure = to break=20 the 500 AZ caches mark before I have to leave.

So if you can be so kind as to not = cache for a=20 while longer I just might be able to claim the number one spot in AZ = for a=20 couple of days. But then there are others out there that are = also=20 getting up in the numbers so you won't be able to rest for to=20 long.

Loran (Team Sand Dollar)

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Larry = Farquhar
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Tuesday, August 20, = 2002 5:55=20 PM

Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] = another=20 500

Congratulations Team Sand Dollar on your QUINCENTENNIAL = cache find!=20 That's no easy feat!

BTW - It's been over a week since my last cache find. I = thought you=20 would have taken advantage of my slow period. :)

Larry = Farquhar

Team "Wyle = E"

www.happy-wanderers.com

-----Original Message-----
From: = az-geocachi= ng-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On = Behalf Of=20 loran @cox
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 1:56=20 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re:=20 [Az-Geocaching] another 500

Thanks but I still need to get = 500 AZ caches=20 before I leave.

The job is in the frozen north. = Michigan. But=20 there are over 500 caches.

There is no way to ever get all = the AZ=20 caches. They are always new ones.

Not unless Wyle stops caching for = a=20 while. I guess it up to ropingthewind to catch him or maybe = the=20 roadrunners.

Loran (Team Sand = Dollar )
------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C24878.5DA2F030-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 21 01:56:29 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:56:29 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] another 500 In-Reply-To: <003c01c248af$f2686600$0400a8c0@one> References: <003501c248ad$73328cf0$3701a8c0@LARRY> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020820185530.00ac59e0@mail.myblueheaven.com> --=====================_715430==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:13 PM 8/20/2002 -0700, you wrote: >to sell my caching time will also be limited but I will be sure to break >the 500 AZ caches mark before I have to leave. Congratulations on reaching the 500 total, and in advance for 500 Arizona caches. Sorry that you are moving out of state, but I am glad that I have been fortunate to retrieve one of your sand dollars from a cache before you go. Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache --=====================_715430==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 06:13 PM 8/20/2002 -0700, you wrote:

to sell my caching time will also be limited but I will be sure to break the 500 AZ caches mark before I have to leave.

Congratulations on reaching the 500 total, and in advance for 500 Arizona caches. Sorry that you are moving out of state, but I am glad that I have been fortunate to retrieve one of your sand dollars from a cache before you go.

Scott

Team My Blue Heaven

www.myblueheaven.com/geocache
--=====================_715430==_.ALT-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 21 01:50:35 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gordon L. Flatt) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:50:35 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] It's not as bad as we have been told In-Reply-To: <1029893415.26329.10.camel@fone.snaptek.com> Message-ID: I agree with you Brian, but will not get on the soapbox for fear I'd never get down until someone knocked me off of it! LOL Gordon Team Coyote1022 -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Brian Cluff Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 6:30 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] It's not as bad as we have been told Well, a geocache that happened to be by an archeology site that was valdalized by unknown people isn't very controversial or very exciting till you start to take what you were told one step further, and stretch it's meaning. I personally don't get any papers or watch the news. I think that the media is destroying us little by little. They control exactly what we here and tend to like to hop onto trends like all the kidnappings that are going on would have you believe that the world seems to be coming to an end and nobody is safe anywhere, but in reality kidnaping are actually down quite a bit this year and it's just the medias latest pet story. When all this anthrax garbage was going around and everyone was panicing that they would drop dead from what they thought was a flu any second. My wife made a call to her family in spain and told them about it. They thought it was incredibly stupid that everyone was panicing over it because in spain alone about 40 or 50 people get anthrax every year, it's just not all that news worthy till our turbo-reportes pick it up and tell us that we are all doomed to die a horrible death within minutes. OK... I MUST get off this soap box or I'll be up here all night. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek On Tue, 2002-08-20 at 15:13, Mark Heitowit wrote: > Brian: > > Have you ever thought of being a reporter. With just one phone conversation, > it appears that you did more research than the Republic. Of course you > probably could not get a job at the Republic, as truth and accuracy does not > sell papers. _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 21 02:03:11 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (loran @cox) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:03:11 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] another 500 References: <004801c248b3$0a01c830$3701a8c0@LARRY> Message-ID: <005201c248b6$e71117a0$0400a8c0@one> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C2487C.3A890CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageLarry I know what you mean about withdrawal symptoms. Got back on Saturday and = did 14 on Sunday in 4 1/2 hours. Had to get my fix. =20 I may not be able to catch you in AZ but there are still the world = standings.=20 Loran ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Larry Farquhar=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 6:35 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] another 500 Really sorry to see you'll be leaving Arizona Loran. I'm sure you'll = be giving the Michigan cache hunters a run for their money. As a = farewell gift, I'd like to stop cache hunting for a while longer for = you. But my caching withdrawal symptoms have reached the critical point! I NEED TO FIND A CACHE ! ! ! ! ! Be sure to let us know when you're close to leaving Arizona. We'll = throw together an Arizona Geocaching event! Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com =20 -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com = [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = loran @cox Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 6:13 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] another 500 =20 Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" Went to Michigan on a house hunting trip last week so I wasn't able = to take to much advantage of you. Made an offer today so I guess my AZ = caching days are numbered. With getting my house here ready to sell my = caching time will also be limited but I will be sure to break the 500 AZ = caches mark before I have to leave. So if you can be so kind as to not cache for a while longer I just = might be able to claim the number one spot in AZ for a couple of days. = But then there are others out there that are also getting up in the = numbers so you won't be able to rest for to long. Loran (Team Sand Dollar) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Larry Farquhar=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 5:55 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] another 500 Congratulations Team Sand Dollar on your QUINCENTENNIAL cache = find! That's no easy feat! BTW - It's been over a week since my last cache find. I thought = you would have taken advantage of my slow period. :) Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com = [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = loran @cox Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 1:56 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] another 500 Thanks but I still need to get 500 AZ caches before I leave. The job is in the frozen north. Michigan. But there are over 500 = caches. There is no way to ever get all the AZ caches. They are always = new ones. Not unless Wyle stops caching for a while. I guess it up to = ropingthewind to catch him or maybe the roadrunners. Loran (Team Sand Dollar )=20 ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C2487C.3A890CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Larry

I know what you mean about withdrawal = symptoms. Got=20 back on Saturday and did 14 on Sunday in 4 1/2 hours. Had to get my = fix. =20

I may not be able to catch you in AZ = but there are=20 still the world standings.

Loran

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Larry = Farquhar
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 = 6:35=20 PM

Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] = another=20 500

Really sorry to see you'll be leaving Arizona = Loran. I'm=20 sure you'll be giving the Michigan cache hunters a run for their = money. As a=20 farewell gift, I'd like to stop cache hunting for a while longer for = you. But=20 my caching withdrawal symptoms have reached the critical=20 point!

I=20 NEED TO FIND A CACHE ! ! ! ! !

Be sure to let us know when you're close to = leaving=20 Arizona. We'll throw together an Arizona Geocaching=20 event!

Larry = Farquhar

Team "Wyle = E"

www.happy-wanderers.com

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: = az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = loran @cox
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 6:13 = PM
To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = another=20 500

=20
Larry = Farquhar

Team "Wyle = E"

Went to Michigan on a house hunting = trip last=20 week so I wasn't able to take to much advantage of you. Made an = offer today=20 so I guess my AZ caching days are numbered. With getting my = house here=20 ready to sell my caching time will also be limited but I will be = sure to=20 break the 500 AZ caches mark before I have to leave.

So if you can be so kind as to not = cache for a=20 while longer I just might be able to claim the number one spot in AZ = for a=20 couple of days. But then there are others out there that are = also=20 getting up in the numbers so you won't be able to rest for to=20 long.

Loran (Team Sand = Dollar)

----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Larry = Farquhar
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20

Sent: Tuesday, August 20, = 2002 5:55=20 PM

Subject: RE: = [Az-Geocaching] another=20 500

Congratulations Team Sand Dollar on your QUINCENTENNIAL = cache find!=20 That's no easy feat!

BTW - It's been over a week since my last cache find. I = thought you=20 would have taken advantage of my slow period. = :)

Larry = Farquhar

Team "Wyle = E"

www.happy-wanderers.com

-----Original = Message-----
From: az-geocachi= ng-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On = Behalf Of=20 loran @cox
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 1:56=20 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: = Re:=20 [Az-Geocaching] another 500

Thanks but I still need to get = 500 AZ=20 caches before I leave.

The job is in the frozen north. = Michigan.=20 But there are over 500 caches.

There is no way to ever get all = the AZ=20 caches. They are always new ones.

Not unless Wyle stops caching = for a=20 while. I guess it up to ropingthewind to catch him or = maybe the=20 roadrunners.

Loran (Team Sand = Dollar )
------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C2487C.3A890CC0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 21 03:17:15 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (patrick hopkins) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 20:17:15 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] another 500 In-Reply-To: "loran @cox" 's message of Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:03:11 -0700 Message-ID: <18509-3D63063B-7328@storefull-2175.public.lawson.webtv.net> --WebTV-Mail-13903-3694 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit arizona ~~~~~~~~~~~> michigan? im sorry, but this doesn't compute. this has to be stretching the physical capabilities of any carbon based living being !! best of luck in your move, and be sure to keep us all informed on your new adventure. team lake havasu, wendy, patrick and dog. --WebTV-Mail-13903-3694 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from smtpin-2109.public.lawson.webtv.net (209.240.213.119) by storefull-2172.public.lawson.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:59:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns2.sequoia.net (cpe-24-221-56-185.az.sprintbbd.net [24.221.56.185]) by smtpin-2109.public.lawson.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 0460EFE5E for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:59:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns2.sequoia.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ns2.sequoia.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24432; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:05:22 -0700 Received: from sequoia.net (SEQUOIA.NET [207.246.52.5]) by ns2.sequoia.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24420 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:03:06 -0700 Received: from fed1mtao01.cox.net (fed1mtao01.cox.net [68.6.19.244]) by sequoia.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62A1324A83E for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:04:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from one ([68.98.52.112]) by fed1mtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020821015522.DSGZ1360.fed1mtao01.cox.net@one> for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:55:22 -0400 Message-ID: <005201c248b6$e71117a0$0400a8c0@one> From: "loran @cox" To: References: <004801c248b3$0a01c830$3701a8c0@LARRY> Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] another 500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004F_01C2487C.3A890CC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com Errors-To: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com X-BeenThere: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.7 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List for discussing Geocaching in Arizona List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:03:11 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C2487C.3A890CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageLarry I know what you mean about withdrawal symptoms. Got back on Saturday and = did 14 on Sunday in 4 1/2 hours. Had to get my fix. =20 I may not be able to catch you in AZ but there are still the world = standings.=20 Loran ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Larry Farquhar=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 6:35 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] another 500 Really sorry to see you'll be leaving Arizona Loran. I'm sure you'll = be giving the Michigan cache hunters a run for their money. As a = farewell gift, I'd like to stop cache hunting for a while longer for = you. But my caching withdrawal symptoms have reached the critical point! I NEED TO FIND A CACHE ! ! ! ! ! Be sure to let us know when you're close to leaving Arizona. We'll = throw together an Arizona Geocaching event! Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com =20 -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com = [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = loran @cox Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 6:13 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] another 500 =20 Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" Went to Michigan on a house hunting trip last week so I wasn't able = to take to much advantage of you. Made an offer today so I guess my AZ = caching days are numbered. With getting my house here ready to sell my = caching time will also be limited but I will be sure to break the 500 AZ = caches mark before I have to leave. So if you can be so kind as to not cache for a while longer I just = might be able to claim the number one spot in AZ for a couple of days. = But then there are others out there that are also getting up in the = numbers so you won't be able to rest for to long. Loran (Team Sand Dollar) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Larry Farquhar=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 5:55 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] another 500 Congratulations Team Sand Dollar on your QUINCENTENNIAL cache = find! That's no easy feat! BTW - It's been over a week since my last cache find. I thought = you would have taken advantage of my slow period. :) Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com = [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = loran @cox Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 1:56 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] another 500 Thanks but I still need to get 500 AZ caches before I leave. The job is in the frozen north. Michigan. But there are over 500 = caches. There is no way to ever get all the AZ caches. They are always = new ones. Not unless Wyle stops caching for a while. I guess it up to = ropingthewind to catch him or maybe the roadrunners. Loran (Team Sand Dollar )=20 ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C2487C.3A890CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Larry

I know what you mean about withdrawal = symptoms. Got=20 back on Saturday and did 14 on Sunday in 4 1/2 hours. Had to get my = fix. =20

I may not be able to catch you in AZ = but there are=20 still the world standings.

Loran

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Larry = Farquhar
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 = 6:35=20 PM

Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] = another=20 500

Really sorry to see you'll be leaving Arizona = Loran. I'm=20 sure you'll be giving the Michigan cache hunters a run for their = money. As a=20 farewell gift, I'd like to stop cache hunting for a while longer for = you. But=20 my caching withdrawal symptoms have reached the critical=20 point!

I=20 NEED TO FIND A CACHE ! ! ! ! !

Be sure to let us know when you're close to = leaving=20 Arizona. We'll throw together an Arizona Geocaching=20 event!

Larry = Farquhar

Team "Wyle = E"

www.happy-wanderers.com

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: = az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = loran @cox
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 6:13 = PM
To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = another=20 500

=20
Larry = Farquhar

Team "Wyle = E"

Went to Michigan on a house hunting = trip last=20 week so I wasn't able to take to much advantage of you. Made an = offer today=20 so I guess my AZ caching days are numbered. With getting my = house here=20 ready to sell my caching time will also be limited but I will be = sure to=20 break the 500 AZ caches mark before I have to leave.

So if you can be so kind as to not = cache for a=20 while longer I just might be able to claim the number one spot in AZ = for a=20 couple of days. But then there are others out there that are = also=20 getting up in the numbers so you won't be able to rest for to=20 long.

Loran (Team Sand = Dollar)

----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Larry = Farquhar
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20

Sent: Tuesday, August 20, = 2002 5:55=20 PM

Subject: RE: = [Az-Geocaching] another=20 500

Congratulations Team Sand Dollar on your QUINCENTENNIAL = cache find!=20 That's no easy feat!

BTW - It's been over a week since my last cache find. I = thought you=20 would have taken advantage of my slow period. = :)

Larry = Farquhar

Team "Wyle = E"

www.happy-wanderers.com

-----Original = Message-----
From: az-geocachi= ng-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On = Behalf Of=20 loran @cox
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 1:56=20 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: = Re:=20 [Az-Geocaching] another 500

Thanks but I still need to get = 500 AZ=20 caches before I leave.

The job is in the frozen north. = Michigan.=20 But there are over 500 caches.

There is no way to ever get all = the AZ=20 caches. They are always new ones.

Not unless Wyle stops caching = for a=20 while. I guess it up to ropingthewind to catch him or = maybe the=20 roadrunners.

Loran (Team Sand = Dollar )
------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C2487C.3A890CC0-- _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com --WebTV-Mail-13903-3694-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 21 04:20:22 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:20:22 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] It's not as bad as we have been told References: <1029879600.25442.38.camel@fone.snaptek.com> Message-ID: <009e01c248ca$114d0890$91f50244@cx301817d> I have a question about the land permits? How does one supposed to know if they are on State trust land if it is not posted? I know around the Phoenix area there are several sites that are clearly marked with signs and fencing that clearly define the property as State trust land. When riding out to plant "A Sign From the Past III" I saw no such signs prohibiting entry, or any other indication that the land around Lake Pleasant is trust land. In order to be charged with trespassing the following critera must be met: 13-1502. Criminal trespass in the third degree; classification A. A person commits criminal trespass in the third degree by: 1. Knowingly entering or remaining unlawfully on any real property after a reasonable request to leave by the owner or any other person having lawful control over such property, or reasonable notice prohibiting entry. Now that I have reason to know that this area is State trust land I guess I will have to go get my permit before I can go back to check the site. I know that this has been posted before but could someone tell me where to go to get the permit or if it can be done by mail? Hopefully the only place won't be in downtown Phoenix. As a gesture of good faith maby it could be posted on the website along with the other geocaching resources. Brian could you send me Brads phone number so I could make arraingments to pick up the cache? Thanks, WhereRWee? Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Cluff" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 2:40 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] It's not as bad as we have been told > I just got off the from with a guy named Brad that is affiliated with > the State trust land managment. He is currently in possession of the > "Sign from the past III" cache that was taken. > The conversation that we had was very positive and he really likes the > idea of geocaching and actually wants to promote it, to the point that > he wished that he could donate money to geocaching. > The only thing that he asks is that everyone gets a permit before > entering the last (which we should already know) that they we don't put > caches on archeology sites. If caches are put on any archeolory site > they will be confiscated and the owner will have a month to pick it up. > He personally isn't pointing a finger at geocaching for any damage to > the above site, since he doesn't know for sure that we did or would do > any damage to any site.... (very cool!) > For caches that might be put on an archeology site that we don't even > know that it's an archeology site they will check things out and if it's > just near a site and we aren't causeing any damage they will probably > just leave it there, since it could be better to keep the site a secret > than to let us know it exists by taking the cache. > All in all, it sounds like the news paper blew things waaaaaay out of > proportion and gave us a bad name in doing so. > > Anyway, I just wanted to let people know of the situation in reality. > Plus he asked me to pass on their rules that they would like us to > observe... so pretty much what it amounts to is caches as usual minus a > couple of caches that point out some history, but all in all good news. > > Brian Cluff > Team Snaptek > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 21 04:25:33 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Richard Pinnell) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:25:33 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: What have we learned? Message-ID: <001101c248ca$ca862da0$0200000a@dell> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C24890.1DBC5ED0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >I would like to see some >helpful guidelines to geocaching in arizona, complete with phonenumbers >and locations to buy permits, what specific things the different land >management entities would like us to do and not do. This would be great for us newbies. Team Gizmo ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C24890.1DBC5ED0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>I would like to see = some
>helpful=20 guidelines to geocaching in arizona, complete with = phonenumbers
>and=20 locations to buy permits, what specific things the different=20 land
>management entities would like us to do and not=20 do.

This would be great for us = newbies.

Team Gizmo
------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C24890.1DBC5ED0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 21 05:18:05 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 22:18:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] It's not as bad as we have been told Message-ID: <20020820221811.4322.h009.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> I need the State Trust land permit info, too....forgot to write it down last time and deleted the email DUH....can't you do it by mail? Or, how close to Prescott? Thanks in advance Trisha "Lightning" On Tue, 20 August 2002, "Ken" wrote: > > I have a question about the land permits? How does one supposed to > know if > they are on State trust land if it is not posted? I know around the > Phoenix > area there are several sites that are clearly marked with signs and > fencing > that clearly define the property as State trust land. When riding out > to > plant "A Sign From the Past III" I saw no such signs prohibiting > entry, or > any other indication that the land around Lake Pleasant is trust land. > > In order to be charged with trespassing the following critera must be > met: > > 13-1502. Criminal trespass in the third degree; classification > A. A person commits criminal trespass in the third degree by: > > 1. Knowingly entering or remaining unlawfully on any real property > after a > reasonable request to leave by the owner or any other person having > lawful > control over such property, or reasonable notice prohibiting entry. > > Now that I have reason to know that this area is State trust land I > guess I > will have to go get my permit before I can go back to check the site. > I know > that this has been posted before but could someone tell me where to go > to > get the permit or if it can be done by mail? Hopefully the only place > won't > be in downtown Phoenix. As a gesture of good faith maby it could be > posted > on the website along with the other geocaching resources. > > Brian could you send me Brads phone number so I could make > arraingments to > pick up the cache? > > Thanks, > > WhereRWee? > > Ken > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Cluff" <brian@snaptek.com> > To: <listserv@azgeocaching.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 2:40 PM > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] It's not as bad as we have been told > > > > I just got off the from with a guy named Brad that is affiliated with > > the State trust land managment. He is currently in possession of the > > "Sign from the past III" cache that was taken. > > The conversation that we had was very positive and he really likes > the > > idea of geocaching and actually wants to promote it, to the point > that > > he wished that he could donate money to geocaching. > > The only thing that he asks is that everyone gets a permit before > > entering the last (which we should already know) that they we don't > put > > caches on archeology sites. If caches are put on any archeolory site > > they will be confiscated and the owner will have a month to pick it > up. > > He personally isn't pointing a finger at geocaching for any damage to > > the above site, since he doesn't know for sure that we did or would > do > > any damage to any site.... (very cool!) > > For caches that might be put on an archeology site that we don't even > > know that it's an archeology site they will check things out and if > it's > > just near a site and we aren't causeing any damage they will probably > > just leave it there, since it could be better to keep the site a > secret > > than to let us know it exists by taking the cache. > > All in all, it sounds like the news paper blew things waaaaaay out of > > proportion and gave us a bad name in doing so. > > > > Anyway, I just wanted to let people know of the situation in reality. > > Plus he asked me to pass on their rules that they would like us to > > observe... so pretty much what it amounts to is caches as usual > minus a > > couple of caches that point out some history, but all in all good > news. > > > > Brian Cluff > > Team Snaptek > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list > > listserv@azgeocaching.com > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Although no one can go back and make a brand new start, Anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 21 05:47:41 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 22:47:41 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] It's not as bad as we have been told In-Reply-To: <009e01c248ca$114d0890$91f50244@cx301817d> Message-ID: <007a01c248d6$4718bd00$026fa8c0@OUR> > I know that this has been posted > before but could someone tell me where to go to get the > permit or if it can be done by mail? Call 602-364-ASLD (2753). Leave your name and address (spell everything), and they will mail you a permit application which you can return with your check. The whole phone/mail process should take less than two weeks from the time you call. More info on the permits at http://www.land.state.az.us/programs/natural/rec_offroad_permit.htm. The State Land Department home page is at: http://www.land.state.az.us/index.html. If you want to go in person, you can get the permit right away at the Land Trust Headquarters at 1616 West Adams, Phoenix, just east of the State Capitol and north of Wesley Bolin Plaza. This office is also within a quarter mile of five(!) virtual caches. The web page lists an information center at 222 North Central, Phoenix, but I don't know if you can get permits there or not. Steve Team Tierra Buena From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 21 05:47:41 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 22:47:41 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Milestones Message-ID: <007501c248d6$46bba8e0$026fa8c0@OUR> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0076_01C2489B.9A5CD0E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Congratulations to all on hitting new levels, especially to Sand Dollar for his 500th. Good luck in your new position, Loran. Those Michigan cachers don't know what's about to hit them! Steve Team Tierra Buena ------=_NextPart_000_0076_01C2489B.9A5CD0E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Congratulations to=20 all on hitting new levels, especially to Sand Dollar for his 500th. Good = luck in=20 your new position, Loran. Those Michigan cachers don't know what's about = to hit=20 them!

Steve

Team = Tierra=20 Buena
------=_NextPart_000_0076_01C2489B.9A5CD0E0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 21 06:03:58 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 23:03:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] It's not as bad as we have been told Message-ID: <20020820230400.4190.h006.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Thanks Steve :-)))) Trisha On Tue, 20 August 2002, "Team Tierra Buena" wrote: > > > I know that this has been posted > > before but could someone tell me where to go to get the > > permit or if it can be done by mail? > > Call 602-364-ASLD (2753). Leave your name and address (spell > everything), and they will mail you a permit application which you can > return with your check. The whole phone/mail process should take less > than two weeks from the time you call. > > More info on the permits at > http://www.land.state.az.us/programs/natural/rec_offroad_permit.htm. > The > State Land Department home page is at: > http://www.land.state.az.us/index.html. > > If you want to go in person, you can get the permit right away at the > Land Trust Headquarters at 1616 West Adams, Phoenix, just east of the > State Capitol and north of Wesley Bolin Plaza. This office is also > within a quarter mile of five(!) virtual caches. The web page lists an > information center at 222 North Central, Phoenix, but I don't know if > you can get permits there or not. > > Steve > Team Tierra Buena > > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Although no one can go back and make a brand new start, Anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 21 07:58:00 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: 21 Aug 2002 00:58:00 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] It's not as bad as we have been told In-Reply-To: <007a01c248d6$4718bd00$026fa8c0@OUR> References: <007a01c248d6$4718bd00$026fa8c0@OUR> Message-ID: <1029916680.24496.0.camel@napita.snaptek.com> I dug up this old message by Ken: State Land in Arizona State Trust land was granted to the state by the federal government when Arizona became a state in 1912. These lands total approximately 9.4 million acres and are managed by the State Land Department. State Trust Land is NOT public land. You must obtain a permit from ASLD to be on State Trust Land. Recreational Permits are available for individuals and families and are issued for one year from the date of purchase. The Individual Permit is $15.00 and the Family Permit is $20.00. You may pick up your Recreational Permit in person at State Land Department offices. Non-profit group and event recreational permits are also available. They require a different permit and usually require a longer processing time. Most state land is already leased to someone. When recreating on State Land, please follow the rules and keep in mind that someone else is making a living from that land. 1. Arizona State Land Department Offices (ASLD) www.land.state.az.us/ Main Office - Phoenix (602) 542-4631 Tucson Office (520) 628-5480 Flagstaff Office (520) 774-1425 http://www.pr.state.az.us/partnerships/ohv/contactinfo.html - Ken On Tue, 2002-08-20 at 22:47, Team Tierra Buena wrote: > > I know that this has been posted > > before but could someone tell me where to go to get the > > permit or if it can be done by mail? > > Call 602-364-ASLD (2753). Leave your name and address (spell > everything), and they will mail you a permit application which you can > return with your check. The whole phone/mail process should take less > than two weeks from the time you call. > > More info on the permits at > http://www.land.state.az.us/programs/natural/rec_offroad_permit.htm. The > State Land Department home page is at: > http://www.land.state.az.us/index.html. > > If you want to go in person, you can get the permit right away at the > Land Trust Headquarters at 1616 West Adams, Phoenix, just east of the > State Capitol and north of Wesley Bolin Plaza. This office is also > within a quarter mile of five(!) virtual caches. The web page lists an > information center at 222 North Central, Phoenix, but I don't know if > you can get permits there or not. > > Steve > Team Tierra Buena > > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 21 11:43:36 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jan Allbright) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 04:43:36 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] It's not as bad as we have been told In-Reply-To: <1029916680.24496.0.camel@napita.snaptek.com> Message-ID: <014b01c24907$fd30d5b0$561b150a@earthdog> Re: State Trust Land Isn't this the Section 16 land? (one section of each township) Very nice of the Feds to "give" Arizona its own land... don't you think? - Jan Allbright From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 21 16:06:02 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Eric Quinn) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:06:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Go away Message-ID: <20020821160602.49279.qmail@web13108.mail.yahoo.com> How many times have we been out looking for a cache when a family / solo hiker / police, etc. comes along and we try to make like nothing's going on. It's a common occurance. The worst thing is when someone shows up and stays. This morning, the TV was on and the TV helicopter was showing live footage from Squaw Peak. When they started, they showed a few guys walking around the top. A few seconds later, the guys sat down and looked at the helicopter. They didn't move until while the TV was showing them. I said to my wife, "That looks like what we would do if we were caching and a chopper showed up." Anyone on Squaw Peak this morning? Eric Team Dragon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 21 16:10:59 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bill) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:10:59 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] It's not as bad as we have been told References: <014b01c24907$fd30d5b0$561b150a@earthdog> Message-ID: <007301c2492d$5b37e160$319c4094@BILLPC> It was all Federal land to begin with (well, after our ancestors took it away from the indigenous people), and AZ didn't even exist as a political entity, so they didn't really give AZ it's own land. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Allbright" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 4:43 AM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] It's not as bad as we have been told > Re: State Trust Land > > Isn't this the Section 16 land? (one section of each township) > Very nice of the Feds to "give" Arizona its own land... don't you think? > > - Jan Allbright > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 21 16:42:26 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Koch, Dan) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:42:26 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: What have we learned? Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C24931.BB79C4E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I seem to remember a post by Wyle E about the different types of public land and the requirements to use each one. I checked the listserv archive and it went something like this: By: "Larry Farquhar" Subject: [1022] Land Permits These are permits I'm aware of to access OUR land in Arizona: BLM land - no permit required. Just abide by trail and road closure signs. 14 day free camping allowed in most areas. Indian Reservations - Each reservation has their own rules and possible permits required for access to their land. Contact the appropriate Indian Reservation for their specific requirements. Arizona State Trust Land - A recreational permit is required if accessing State Trust Land for other than hunting (hunting permit is valid) or just passing through. An annual permit is $15 for individual, or $20 for a family. This allows you access to most State Trust Land for recreational use, including Camping (7 day limit), Horseback riding, Off Highway, Photography, Picnicking, Hiking, and Bicycling. $500 (max) fine if caught without a permit. Most areas, even those marked "No trespassing" can be accessed with this permit. Along with the permit comes a list of areas that are closed. Permits can be obtained by mail or in person at: Arizona State Trust Land Department, 1616 W. Adams, Phoenix, AZ, 85007 (might try 602-542-7235). Tucson also has an office (address unknown). Forest Service - The Bull-Dog Canyon Off-Highway Area (Tonto National Forest) is an area that requires a permit to operate a motorized vehicle in the area. Hiking and camping are allowed without a permit. Permits are free, and are good for 6 months. $5000 (max) fine if caught driving in the area without a permit. The permit provides you with the combination to the gates for 6 months (combo is changed each month). Permits can be obtained ONLY at: Mesa Ranger District Office, 26 N. MacDonald, Mesa, AZ 85201 (480-610-3300 - call first, as they have weird office hours). Permits might be obtained by mail - call them. Barry M. Goldwater Range/Cabeza Preita National Wildlife Refuge/Area A portion of Sonoran Desert National Monument - A permit is required for ANY access (foot or vehicle) to this area, also known as "El Camino Del Diablo" (see cache GC294C http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=10572). The permit is free and good from July through June. See cache GC294C for further details and where permits can be obtained. There might be other permits available, but these are the ones I'm aware of and have obtained the last 3. Anybody know of others? Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.azjeeper.com -----Original Message----- From: Richard Pinnell [mailto:rpinnell909@msn.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 9:26 PM To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: What have we learned? >I would like to see some >helpful guidelines to geocaching in arizona, complete with phonenumbers >and locations to buy permits, what specific things the different land >management entities would like us to do and not do. This would be great for us newbies. Team Gizmo ------_=_NextPart_001_01C24931.BB79C4E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
I seem to remember a post by Wyle E about the different types of public land and the requirements to use each one. I checked the listserv archive and it went something like this:

By: "Larry Farquhar"
Subject: [1022] Land Permits

These are permits I'm aware of to access OUR land in Arizona:

BLM land - no permit required. Just abide by trail and road closure signs.
14 day free camping allowed in most areas.

Indian Reservations - Each reservation has their own rules and possible
permits required for access to their land. Contact the appropriate Indian
Reservation for their specific requirements.

Arizona State Trust Land - A recreational permit is required if accessing
State Trust Land for other than hunting (hunting permit is valid) or just
passing through. An annual permit is $15 for individual, or $20 for a
family. This allows you access to most State Trust Land for recreational
use, including Camping (7 day limit), Horseback riding, Off Highway,
Photography, Picnicking, Hiking, and Bicycling. $500 (max) fine if caught
without a permit. Most areas, even those marked "No trespassing" can be
accessed with this permit. Along with the permit comes a list of areas that
are closed. Permits can be obtained by mail or in person at: Arizona State
Trust Land Department, 1616 W. Adams, Phoenix, AZ, 85007 (might try
602-542-7235). Tucson also has an office (address unknown).

Forest Service - The Bull-Dog Canyon Off-Highway Area (Tonto National
Forest) is an area that requires a permit to operate a motorized vehicle in
the area. Hiking and camping are allowed without a permit. Permits are free,
and are good for 6 months. $5000 (max) fine if caught driving in the area
without a permit. The permit provides you with the combination to the gates
for 6 months (combo is changed each month). Permits can be obtained ONLY at:
Mesa Ranger District Office, 26 N. MacDonald, Mesa, AZ 85201 (480-610-3300 -
call first, as they have weird office hours). Permits might be obtained by
mail - call them.

Barry M. Goldwater Range/Cabeza Preita National Wildlife Refuge/Area A
portion of Sonoran Desert National Monument - A permit is required for ANY
access (foot or vehicle) to this area, also known as "El Camino Del Diablo"
(see cache GC294C
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=10572). The permit is
free and good from July through June. See cache GC294C for further details
and where permits can be obtained.

There might be other permits available, but these are the ones I'm aware of
and have obtained the last 3.

Anybody know of others?

Larry Farquhar
Team "Wyle E"
www.azjeeper.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Pinnell [mailto:rpinnell909@msn.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 9:26 PM
To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: What have we learned?

>I would like to see some
>helpful guidelines to geocaching in arizona, complete with phonenumbers
>and locations to buy permits, what specific things the different land
>management entities would like us to do and not do.

This would be great for us newbies.

Team Gizmo
------_=_NextPart_001_01C24931.BB79C4E0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 21 16:51:55 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Koch, Dan) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:51:55 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: What have we learned? Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C24933.0E77D7D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" BTW, has anyone noticed that according to the archives, Team Tierra Buena became the 100th team to find the Canal Cache...on Feb 22, 2016! -----Original Message----- From: Koch, Dan [mailto:Dan.Koch@eclipsys.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 9:42 AM To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Re: What have we learned? I seem to remember a post by Wyle E about the different types of public land and the requirements to use each one. I checked the listserv archive and it went something like this: By: "Larry Farquhar" Subject: [1022] Land Permits These are permits I'm aware of to access OUR land in Arizona: BLM land - no permit required. Just abide by trail and road closure signs. 14 day free camping allowed in most areas. Indian Reservations - Each reservation has their own rules and possible permits required for access to their land. Contact the appropriate Indian Reservation for their specific requirements. Arizona State Trust Land - A recreational permit is required if accessing State Trust Land for other than hunting (hunting permit is valid) or just passing through. An annual permit is $15 for individual, or $20 for a family. This allows you access to most State Trust Land for recreational use, including Camping (7 day limit), Horseback riding, Off Highway, Photography, Picnicking, Hiking, and Bicycling. $500 (max) fine if caught without a permit. Most areas, even those marked "No trespassing" can be accessed with this permit. Along with the permit comes a list of areas that are closed. Permits can be obtained by mail or in person at: Arizona State Trust Land Department, 1616 W. Adams, Phoenix, AZ, 85007 (might try 602-542-7235). Tucson also has an office (address unknown). Forest Service - The Bull-Dog Canyon Off-Highway Area (Tonto National Forest) is an area that requires a permit to operate a motorized vehicle in the area. Hiking and camping are allowed without a permit. Permits are free, and are good for 6 months. $5000 (max) fine if caught driving in the area without a permit. The permit provides you with the combination to the gates for 6 months (combo is changed each month). Permits can be obtained ONLY at: Mesa Ranger District Office, 26 N. MacDonald, Mesa, AZ 85201 (480-610-3300 - call first, as they have weird office hours). Permits might be obtained by mail - call them. Barry M. Goldwater Range/Cabeza Preita National Wildlife Refuge/Area A portion of Sonoran Desert National Monument - A permit is required for ANY access (foot or vehicle) to this area, also known as "El Camino Del Diablo" (see cache GC294C http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=10572). The permit is free and good from July through June. See cache GC294C for further details and where permits can be obtained. There might be other permits available, but these are the ones I'm aware of and have obtained the last 3. Anybody know of others? Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.azjeeper.com -----Original Message----- From: Richard Pinnell [mailto:rpinnell909@msn.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 9:26 PM To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: What have we learned? >I would like to see some >helpful guidelines to geocaching in arizona, complete with phonenumbers >and locations to buy permits, what specific things the different land >management entities would like us to do and not do. This would be great for us newbies. Team Gizmo ------_=_NextPart_001_01C24933.0E77D7D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
BTW, has anyone noticed that according to the archives, Team Tierra Buena became the 100th team to find the Canal Cache...on Feb 22, 2016!

-----Original Message-----
From: Koch, Dan [mailto:Dan.Koch@eclipsys.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 9:42 AM
To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com'
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Re: What have we learned?

I seem to remember a post by Wyle E about the different types of public land and the requirements to use each one. I checked the listserv archive and it went something like this:

By: "Larry Farquhar"
Subject: [1022] Land Permits

These are permits I'm aware of to access OUR land in Arizona:

BLM land - no permit required. Just abide by trail and road closure signs.
14 day free camping allowed in most areas.

Indian Reservations - Each reservation has their own rules and possible
permits required for access to their land. Contact the appropriate Indian
Reservation for their specific requirements.

Arizona State Trust Land - A recreational permit is required if accessing
State Trust Land for other than hunting (hunting permit is valid) or just
passing through. An annual permit is $15 for individual, or $20 for a
family. This allows you access to most State Trust Land for recreational
use, including Camping (7 day limit), Horseback riding, Off Highway,
Photography, Picnicking, Hiking, and Bicycling. $500 (max) fine if caught
without a permit. Most areas, even those marked "No trespassing" can be
accessed with this permit. Along with the permit comes a list of areas that
are closed. Permits can be obtained by mail or in person at: Arizona State
Trust Land Department, 1616 W. Adams, Phoenix, AZ, 85007 (might try
602-542-7235). Tucson also has an office (address unknown).

Forest Service - The Bull-Dog Canyon Off-Highway Area (Tonto National
Forest) is an area that requires a permit to operate a motorized vehicle in
the area. Hiking and camping are allowed without a permit. Permits are free,
and are good for 6 months. $5000 (max) fine if caught driving in the area
without a permit. The permit provides you with the combination to the gates
for 6 months (combo is changed each month). Permits can be obtained ONLY at:
Mesa Ranger District Office, 26 N. MacDonald, Mesa, AZ 85201 (480-610-3300 -
call first, as they have weird office hours). Permits might be obtained by
mail - call them.

Barry M. Goldwater Range/Cabeza Preita National Wildlife Refuge/Area A
portion of Sonoran Desert National Monument - A permit is required for ANY
access (foot or vehicle) to this area, also known as "El Camino Del Diablo"
(see cache GC294C
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=10572). The permit is
free and good from July through June. See cache GC294C for further details
and where permits can be obtained.

There might be other permits available, but these are the ones I'm aware of
and have obtained the last 3.

Anybody know of others?

Larry Farquhar
Team "Wyle E"
www.azjeeper.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Pinnell [mailto:rpinnell909@msn.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 9:26 PM
To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: What have we learned?

>I would like to see some
>helpful guidelines to geocaching in arizona, complete with phonenumbers
>and locations to buy permits, what specific things the different land
>management entities would like us to do and not do.

This would be great for us newbies.

Team Gizmo
------_=_NextPart_001_01C24933.0E77D7D0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 21 17:47:43 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:47:43 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: What have we learned? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001401c2493a$dc166060$026fa8c0@OUR> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C24900.2FB78860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DARN it, Dan, no one is supposed to know about the Team Tierra Buena Time Machine! Steve Team Tierra Buena -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Koch, Dan Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 9:52 AM To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Re: What have we learned? BTW, has anyone noticed that according to the archives, Team Tierra Buena became the 100th team to find the Canal Cache...on Feb 22, 2016! -----Original Message----- From: Koch, Dan [mailto:Dan.Koch@eclipsys.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 9:42 AM To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Re: What have we learned? I seem to remember a post by Wyle E about the different types of public land and the requirements to use each one. I checked the listserv archive and it went something like this: By: "Larry Farquhar" Subject: [1022] Land Permits These are permits I'm aware of to access OUR land in Arizona: BLM land - no permit required. Just abide by trail and road closure signs. 14 day free camping allowed in most areas. Indian Reservations - Each reservation has their own rules and possible permits required for access to their land. Contact the appropriate Indian Reservation for their specific requirements. Arizona State Trust Land - A recreational permit is required if accessing State Trust Land for other than hunting (hunting permit is valid) or just passing through. An annual permit is $15 for individual, or $20 for a family. This allows you access to most State Trust Land for recreational use, including Camping (7 day limit), Horseback riding, Off Highway, Photography, Picnicking, Hiking, and Bicycling. $500 (max) fine if caught without a permit. Most areas, even those marked "No trespassing" can be accessed with this permit. Along with the permit comes a list of areas that are closed. Permits can be obtained by mail or in person at: Arizona State Trust Land Department, 1616 W. Adams, Phoenix, AZ, 85007 (might try 602-542-7235). Tucson also has an office (address unknown). Forest Service - The Bull-Dog Canyon Off-Highway Area (Tonto National Forest) is an area that requires a permit to operate a motorized vehicle in the area. Hiking and camping are allowed without a permit. Permits are free, and are good for 6 months. $5000 (max) fine if caught driving in the area without a permit. The permit provides you with the combination to the gates for 6 months (combo is changed each month). Permits can be obtained ONLY at: Mesa Ranger District Office, 26 N. MacDonald, Mesa, AZ 85201 (480-610-3300 - call first, as they have weird office hours). Permits might be obtained by mail - call them. Barry M. Goldwater Range/Cabeza Preita National Wildlife Refuge/Area A portion of Sonoran Desert National Monument - A permit is required for ANY access (foot or vehicle) to this area, also known as "El Camino Del Diablo" (see cache GC294C http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=10572). The permit is free and good from July through June. See cache GC294C for further details and where permits can be obtained. There might be other permits available, but these are the ones I'm aware of and have obtained the last 3. Anybody know of others? Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.azjeeper.com -----Original Message----- From: Richard Pinnell [mailto:rpinnell909@msn.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 9:26 PM To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: What have we learned? >I would like to see some >helpful guidelines to geocaching in arizona, complete with phonenumbers >and locations to buy permits, what specific things the different land >management entities would like us to do and not do. This would be great for us newbies. Team Gizmo ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C24900.2FB78860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
DARN=20 it, Dan, no one is supposed to know about the Team Tierra Buena Time=20 Machine!

Steve

Team=20 Tierra Buena

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = Koch, Dan
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 9:52 = AM
To:=20 'listserv@azgeocaching.com'
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Re: = What=20 have we learned?

BTW,=20 has anyone noticed that according to the archives, Team Tierra Buena = became=20 the 100th team to find the Canal Cache...on Feb=20 22, 2016!

-----Original Message-----
From: Koch, Dan=20 [mailto:Dan.Koch@eclipsys.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, = 2002=20 9:42 AM
To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com'
Subject: = RE:=20 [Az-Geocaching] Re: What have we learned?

I=20 seem to remember a post by Wyle E about the different types of = public land=20 and the requirements to use each one. I checked the=20 listserv archive and it went something like = this:

By: "Larry Farquhar"=20
Subject: [1022] Land Permits

These are permits = I'm aware=20 of to access OUR land in Arizona:

BLM land - no permit = required. Just=20 abide by trail and road closure signs.
14 day free camping = allowed in=20 most areas.

Indian Reservations - Each reservation has their = own=20 rules and possible
permits required for access to their land. = Contact the=20 appropriate Indian
Reservation for their specific=20 requirements.

Arizona State Trust Land - A recreational = permit is=20 required if accessing
State Trust Land for other than hunting = (hunting=20 permit is valid) or just
passing through. An annual permit is $15 = for=20 individual, or $20 for a
family. This allows you access to most = State=20 Trust Land for recreational
use, including Camping (7 day limit), = Horseback riding, Off Highway,
Photography, Picnicking, Hiking, = and=20 Bicycling. $500 (max) fine if caught
without a permit. Most = areas, even=20 those marked "No trespassing" can be
accessed with this permit. = Along=20 with the permit comes a list of areas that
are closed. Permits = can be=20 obtained by mail or in person at: Arizona State
Trust Land = Department,=20 1616 W. Adams, Phoenix, AZ, = 85007 (might=20 try
602-542-7235). Tucson also has an office (address=20 unknown).

Forest Service - The Bull-Dog Canyon Off-Highway = Area=20 (Tonto National
Forest) is an area that requires a permit to = operate a=20 motorized vehicle in
the area. Hiking and camping are allowed = without a=20 permit. Permits are free,
and are good for 6 months. $5000 (max) = fine if=20 caught driving in the area
without a permit. The permit provides = you with=20 the combination to the gates
for 6 months (combo is changed each = month).=20 Permits can be obtained ONLY at:
Mesa Ranger District Office, 26 = N.=20 MacDonald, Mesa, AZ 85201 (480-610-3300 -
call first, as they = have weird=20 office hours). Permits might be obtained by
mail - call=20 them.

Barry M. Goldwater Range/Cabeza Preita National = Wildlife=20 Refuge/Area A
portion of Sonoran Desert National Monument - A = permit is=20 required for ANY
access (foot or vehicle) to this area, also = known as "El=20 Camino Del Diablo"
(see cache=20 = GC294C
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=3D10572). = The=20 permit is
free and good from July through June. See cache GC294C = for=20 further details
and where permits can be obtained.

There = might be=20 other permits available, but these are the ones I'm aware of
and = have=20 obtained the last 3.

Anybody know of others?

Larry=20 Farquhar
Team "Wyle E"
www.azjeeper.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard = Pinnell=20 [mailto:rpinnell909@msn.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, = 2002 9:26=20 PM
To:=20 az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com
Subject: = [Az-Geocaching]=20 Re: What have we learned?

>I would like to see=20 some
>helpful guidelines to geocaching in arizona, complete = with=20 phonenumbers
>and locations to buy permits, what specific = things the=20 different land
>management entities would like us to do and = not=20 do.

This would be great for us=20 newbies.

Team=20 Gizmo
------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C24900.2FB78860-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 21 20:00:40 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:00:40 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Really funny log entry Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020821125952.00abb9a0@mail.myblueheaven.com> --=====================_13631146==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I don't know if Night Hunter is on this list or not, but I just got the following Log Watch Notification that I felt needed to be shared with everyone. Scott Night Hunter has logged a cache on your watch list (O_dog #2). You can visit the cache at the following link: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=13328 User comments: I have to admit that when I first started walking out this wash; I was think that this wasn't very fun. The brush was thick and overgrown due to recent rains. Then all of a sudden, I heard a loud breaking of branches and thunderous footfalls in front of me. It sounded like a Rhinoceros was coming right at me. I quickly looked around and picked up a medium sized rock in the hopes that I could strike a blow David and Goliath style before being impaled by the monster's snout. As soon as I lifted my meager weapon above my head the noise stopped. Now I figured that I not only had an armored animal coming after me, but one that was smart enough to know when he was threatened and now he was being tactical. I inched slowly forward, thinking that There was no way I was going to let some African animal that didn't even belong out here get in my way of my yet unfound treasure. After about three steps, I heard a faint brushing of leaves to my left. I looked over and less than ten feet from me was a good- sized deer. I frantically but silently waved my hands at the innocent animal in the hopes of encouraging her to run away and be save! d from the horned beast that was still hiding somewhere near-by. My plan succeeded, and as the sweet doe ran away, she made a noise equal to that of my menacing predator. With the stone still above my head, in a pitiful attempt to keep my armed foe at bay, I started walking forward again. After about 100 feet, I decided that I would have enough time to raise my weapon if I heard the noise again and lowered my stone and listened. After hearing nothing for a few seconds, I continued on my quest, with stone in hand, to find what I was after. Soon after I was safe from that Life-changing event, I realized that this was going to be a really nice hike after all. The Canyon opened up and the walls rose above me. Absolutely beautiful. Tiny frogs bounced all around my feet. A few snakes slithered around the tadpole filled ponds. When my GPSr told me to start heading out of the wash, I was thick in the brush. I hopped up on a rock to see my best option. That is when I saw the Geo-Trail (a trail that has absolutely no purpose to anybody except a Geocacher.) After looking for about 30 minutes I finally found the Cache and took a much needed rest. I was so worn out after that hike, that I did not want to hike back out. It was so beautiful, that I actually thought about camping there for the night. I may have, if I wasn't afraid of the Wild Rhinos. Thanks for the adventure of my life Night Hunter --=====================_13631146==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" I don't know if Night Hunter is on this list or not, but I just got the following Log Watch Notification that I felt needed to be shared with everyone.

Scott

Night Hunter has logged a cache on your watch list (O_dog #2). You can visit the cache at the following link:
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=13328
User comments:
I have to admit that when I first started walking out this wash; I was think that this wasn't very fun. The brush was thick and overgrown due to recent rains.
Then all of a sudden, I heard a loud breaking of branches and thunderous footfalls in front of me. It sounded like a Rhinoceros was coming right at me. I quickly looked around and picked up a medium sized rock in the hopes that I could strike a blow David and Goliath style before being impaled by the monster's snout. As soon as I lifted my meager weapon above my head the noise stopped. Now I figured that I not only had an armored animal coming after me, but one that was smart enough to know when he was threatened and now he was being tactical. I inched slowly forward, thinking that There was no way I was going to let some African animal that didn't even belong out here get in my way of my yet unfound treasure. After about three steps, I heard a faint brushing of leaves to my left. I looked over and less than ten feet from me was a good- sized deer. I frantically but silently waved my hands at the innocent animal in the hopes of encouraging her to run away and be save!
d from the horned beast that was still hiding somewhere near-by. My plan succeeded, and as the sweet doe ran away, she made a noise equal to that of my menacing predator. With the stone still above my head, in a pitiful attempt to keep my armed foe at bay, I started walking forward again. After about 100 feet, I decided that I would have enough time to raise my weapon if I heard the noise again and lowered my stone and listened. After hearing nothing for a few seconds, I continued on my quest, with stone in hand, to find what I was after.
Soon after I was safe from that Life-changing event, I realized that this was going to be a really nice hike after all. The Canyon opened up and the walls rose above me. Absolutely beautiful. Tiny frogs bounced all around my feet. A few snakes slithered around the tadpole filled ponds.
When my GPSr told me to start heading out of the wash, I was thick in the brush. I hopped up on a rock to see my best option. That is when I saw the Geo-Trail (a trail that has absolutely no purpose to anybody except a Geocacher.)
After looking for about 30 minutes I finally found the Cache and took a much needed rest.
I was so worn out after that hike, that I did not want to hike back out. It was so beautiful, that I actually thought about camping there for the night. I may have, if I wasn't afraid of the Wild Rhinos.
Thanks for the adventure of my life
Night Hunter
--=====================_13631146==_.ALT-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 21 22:33:08 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:33:08 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Really funny log entry References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020821125952.00abb9a0@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: <000901c24962$ba807a80$7931b83f@fishkiller> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C24928.0CDB18C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My respect to a honest cacher ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Scott Wood=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 1:00 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Really funny log entry I don't know if Night Hunter is on this list or not, but I just got = the following Log Watch Notification that I felt needed to be shared = with everyone. Scott Night Hunter has logged a cache on your watch list (O_dog #2). You can = visit the cache at the following link: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=3D13328 User comments:=20 I have to admit that when I first started walking out this wash; I was = think that this wasn't very fun. The brush was thick and overgrown due = to recent rains. Then all of a sudden, I heard a loud breaking of branches and = thunderous footfalls in front of me. It sounded like a Rhinoceros was = coming right at me. I quickly looked around and picked up a medium sized = rock in the hopes that I could strike a blow David and Goliath style = before being impaled by the monster's snout. As soon as I lifted my = meager weapon above my head the noise stopped. Now I figured that I not = only had an armored animal coming after me, but one that was smart = enough to know when he was threatened and now he was being tactical. I = inched slowly forward, thinking that There was no way I was going to let = some African animal that didn't even belong out here get in my way of my = yet unfound treasure. After about three steps, I heard a faint brushing = of leaves to my left. I looked over and less than ten feet from me was a = good- sized deer. I frantically but silently waved my hands at the = innocent animal in the hopes of encouraging her to run away and be save! = d from the horned beast that was still hiding somewhere near-by. My = plan succeeded, and as the sweet doe ran away, she made a noise equal to = that of my menacing predator. With the stone still above my head, in a = pitiful attempt to keep my armed foe at bay, I started walking forward = again. After about 100 feet, I decided that I would have enough time to = raise my weapon if I heard the noise again and lowered my stone and = listened. After hearing nothing for a few seconds, I continued on my = quest, with stone in hand, to find what I was after.=20 Soon after I was safe from that Life-changing event, I realized that = this was going to be a really nice hike after all. The Canyon opened up = and the walls rose above me. Absolutely beautiful. Tiny frogs bounced = all around my feet. A few snakes slithered around the tadpole filled = ponds.=20 When my GPSr told me to start heading out of the wash, I was thick in = the brush. I hopped up on a rock to see my best option. That is when I = saw the Geo-Trail (a trail that has absolutely no purpose to anybody = except a Geocacher.) After looking for about 30 minutes I finally found the Cache and took = a much needed rest. I was so worn out after that hike, that I did not want to hike back = out. It was so beautiful, that I actually thought about camping there = for the night. I may have, if I wasn't afraid of the Wild Rhinos. Thanks for the adventure of my life Night Hunter ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C24928.0CDB18C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My respect to a honest = cacher

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Scott=20 Wood
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Wednesday, August 21, = 2002 1:00=20 PM

Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Really = funny log=20 entry

I don't know if Night Hunter is on this list or not, = but I just=20 got the following Log Watch Notification that I felt needed to be = shared with=20 everyone.

Scott

Night Hunter has logged a cache on = your=20 watch list (O_dog #2). You can visit the cache at the following = link:
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=3D= 13328
User=20 comments:
I have to admit that when I first started walking out = this wash;=20 I was think that this wasn't very fun. The brush was thick and = overgrown due=20 to recent rains.
Then all of a sudden, I heard a loud breaking of = branches=20 and thunderous footfalls in front of me. It sounded like a Rhinoceros = was=20 coming right at me. I quickly looked around and picked up a medium = sized rock=20 in the hopes that I could strike a blow David and Goliath style before = being=20 impaled by the monster's snout. As soon as I lifted my meager weapon = above my=20 head the noise stopped. Now I figured that I not only had an armored = animal=20 coming after me, but one that was smart enough to know when he was = threatened=20 and now he was being tactical. I inched slowly forward, thinking that = There=20 was no way I was going to let some African animal that didn't even = belong out=20 here get in my way of my yet unfound treasure. After about three = steps, I=20 heard a faint brushing of leaves to my left. I looked over and less = than ten=20 feet from me was a good- sized deer. I frantically but silently waved = my hands=20 at the innocent animal in the hopes of encouraging her to run away and = be=20 save!
d from the horned beast that was still hiding somewhere = near-by. My=20 plan succeeded, and as the sweet doe ran away, she made a noise equal = to that=20 of my menacing predator. With the stone still above my head, in a = pitiful=20 attempt to keep my armed foe at bay, I started walking forward again. = After=20 about 100 feet, I decided that I would have enough time to raise my = weapon if=20 I heard the noise again and lowered my stone and listened. After = hearing=20 nothing for a few seconds, I continued on my quest, with stone in = hand, to=20 find what I was after.
Soon after I was safe from that = Life-changing=20 event, I realized that this was going to be a really nice hike after = all. The=20 Canyon opened up and the walls rose above me. Absolutely beautiful. = Tiny frogs=20 bounced all around my feet. A few snakes slithered around the tadpole = filled=20 ponds.
When my GPSr told me to start heading out of the wash, I = was thick=20 in the brush. I hopped up on a rock to see my best option. That is = when I saw=20 the Geo-Trail (a trail that has absolutely no purpose to anybody = except a=20 Geocacher.)
After looking for about 30 minutes I finally found the = Cache=20 and took a much needed rest.
I was so worn out after that hike, = that I did=20 not want to hike back out. It was so beautiful, that I actually = thought about=20 camping there for the night. I may have, if I wasn't afraid of the = Wild=20 Rhinos.
Thanks for the adventure of my life
Night=20 Hunter
------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C24928.0CDB18C0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 21 22:54:22 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:54:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Really funny log entry Message-ID: <20020821155422.23210.h010.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Oh my! That is funny....it's refreshing to see some of those more creative logs (I am assuming the guy did not REALLY think there was a rhino stalking him!) Thanks for the laugh on a fatiguing afternoon. Trisha "Lightning" On Wed, 21 August 2002, Scott Wood wrote:

I don't know if Night Hunter is on this list or not, but I just got the following Log Watch Notification that I felt needed to be shared with everyone.

Scott

Night Hunter has logged a cache on your watch list (O_dog #2). You can visit the cache at the following link:
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=13328
User comments:
I have to admit that when I first started walking out this wash; I was think that this wasn't very fun. The brush was thick and overgrown due to recent rains.
Then all of a sudden, I heard a loud breaking of branches and thunderous footfalls in front of me. It sounded like a Rhinoceros was coming right at me. I quickly looked around and picked up a medium sized rock in the hopes that I could strike a blow David and Goliath style before being impaled by the monster's snout. As soon as I lifted my meager weapon above my head the noise stopped. Now I figured that I not only had an armored animal coming after me, but one that was smart enough to know when he was threatened and now he was being tactical. I inched slowly forward, thinking that There was no way I was going to let some African animal that didn't even belong out here get in my way of my yet unfound treasure. After about three steps, I heard a faint brushing of leaves to my left. I looked over and less than ten feet from me was a good- sized deer. I frantically but silently waved my hands at the innocent animal in the hopes of encouraging her to run away and be save!
d from the horned beast that was still hiding somewhere near-by. My plan succeeded, and as the sweet doe ran away, she made a noise equal to that of my menacing predator. With the stone still above my head, in a pitiful attempt to keep my armed foe at bay, I started walking forward again. After about 100 feet, I decided that I would have enough time to raise my weapon if I heard the noise again and lowered my stone and listened. After hearing nothing for a few seconds, I continued on my quest, with stone in hand, to find what I was after.
Soon after I was safe from that Life-changing event, I realized that this was going to be a really nice hike after all. The Canyon opened up and the walls rose above me. Absolutely beautiful. Tiny frogs bounced all around my feet. A few snakes slithered around the tadpole filled ponds.
When my GPSr told me to start heading out of the wash, I was thick in the brush. I hopped up on a rock to see my best option. That is when I saw the Geo-Trail (a trail that has absolutely no purpose to anybody except a Geocacher.)
After looking for about 30 minutes I finally found the Cache and took a much needed rest.
I was so worn out after that hike, that I did not want to hike back out. It was so beautiful, that I actually thought about camping there for the night. I may have, if I wasn't afraid of the Wild Rhinos.
Thanks for the adventure of my life
Night Hunter

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Although no one can go back and make a brand new start, Anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 22 13:58:23 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 06:58:23 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Fw: Geocaching- AZ site stewards Message-ID: <026a01c249e3$fab6e810$91f50244@cx301817d> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0267_01C249A9.4E365740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I thought the group here would be interested in reading the following = coversation that I had with Jill McCormick who is a Land Steward in the = Tucson area. Jill had contacted Geocaching.com and requested to speak to = me abut here concerns. Seems we need more Stewards like her. Ken ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jill McCormick=20 To: Ken=20 Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 5:22 AM Subject: Re: Geocaching- AZ site stewards Ken, Yes, you have my permission to post our conversation on the web site. I = do plan to join the mailing list and will encourage as many other site = stewards as possible to do the same. It seems you and I both have the = same viewpoint that the only way to come to an agreement is for there to = be communication between the two groups. Hopefully everyone will keep an = open mind and realize that both parties only want what is best. Thank = you for all your efforts and for having an interest in preservation. It = has been a pleasure talking to you and hope to in the future see you at = a site steward event as an Arizona Site Steward. Thank you, Jill ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ken=20 To: Jill McCormick=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 7:58 PM Subject: Re: Geocaching- AZ site stewards Jill, I agree and with your thoughts and with your permission I would = like to post our conversation on the Az Geocaching web site. I again = encourage you, and the other site stewards to join so that we all can = exchange ideas and concerns without things getting blown out of = proportions. The group on this list can be pretty vocal at times but = from what I've seen they are open minded and willing to listen to = anyone's point of view. If a geocache is found affecting an = archeological site in AZ this mailing list would probably be the = quickest way to address the issue and get it moved. As for the rest of = my geocaches I have only one left that is near one lonely spiral = petroglyph that I found while hiking near my home. The rest are virtual = caches and require no hunting at any actual sites. Ken ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jill McCormick=20 To: Ken=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 12:20 PM Subject: Re: Geocaching- AZ site stewards Hello Ken, It is good to finally get to communicate directly with you. I = totally agree about the AZ Republic article I do not think that it gave = a fair perspective of the situation. I would like to apologize for the = site stewards. This issue has been hotly contested by the Site Stewards = around Phoenix for quite awhile. I have several geocaches in my area = (Yuma) and have never had any problem with vandalism of sites. I have = repeatedly questioned them on their opposition to geocachers in general = only to hear that geocachers have destroyed many sites in the Phoenix = area when I ask what proof they can produce to prove it was geocachers I = get th response, " Well we found a geocache there so it must be them". = This is the reason I asked them to be the one to make contact with = geocachers. I feel I have a more openminded position to this issue. I = believe many site stewards are bias against geocachers and are willing = to listen to half truths and falsehoods. I am happy to hear that = geocachers are out there cleaning up our wilderness areas and educating = our youth on preservation and our history. It would be great to enlist = you all as site stewards to help us in the cause. I know as with any = organization there can be bad apples, but in the time I have worked with = the geocachers I have only had great cooperation. That is why I have = asked to have the geocaches moved and not removed. Some site stewards = are out for blood and to avert a nasty situation I think it would be = easiest just to move the caches away from the sites. =20 Thanks, Jill =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ken=20 To: Jill McCormick=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 10:52 PM Subject: Re: Geocaching- AZ site stewards Hello Jill, Since the article in the Az Republic was posted this has been = a major topic on the mailing list at http://www.azgeocaching.com/ . = Brian Cluff runs this site and it is a great resource for anyone = interested in Geocaching in Arizona. I would like to suggest that you = pass this information along to any of the site stewards that have access = to the internet and encourage them to join the mailing list. This site = will enable the free flow of communications between the stewards and the = majority of the Geocaching community in Arizona. I found the article in the Arizona republic very poorly = researched and considered it a "hit piece" against my hobby. If the = quotes made by the land stewards, to the reporter, are accurate I found = them very inflammatory and insinuated that I violated some law. I have = personally experienced the inaccuracies of some reporters and realize = the quotes may not be accurate, or were taken out of context. Still I = found the article and alleged statements by the site stewards highly = offensive. One of the reasons that I enjoy Geocaching is the opportunity = that it gives for me to show my children (4 yrs and 11yrs) the beauty = and history that our state has to offer. =20 Upon reflection I realize that it is not a good idea to place = cache container too close to an archeological site as the number of = visitors looking for the cache could have the potential to cause damage. = Since the cache container from my "Sign From The Past III" has been = removed by the site steward I have changed it to a "virtual" cache. What = this means is the cache hunter simply needs to find the petroglyps and = take photograph of them. As a virtual cache there is no need for the = geocacher to "hunt" for a hidden container and should eliminate any = possible accidental damage. As for the site It is clearly marked on a = topographical map and has a nearby 4x4 road that is only .25 miles away. = While visiting this location the only thing I noticed were the actual = glyphs and did not see any pottery shards or nearby ruins. Since the = site was posted in February it has only had 4 groups visit it.=20 Ken A.K.A. The Evil "WhereRWee" geocacher ;) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jill McCormick=20 To: Kenh199@cox.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 1:18 PM Subject: Geocaching- AZ site stewards Ken, Hi, apparently we have been having some email difficulties and I = did not receive your email last Friday Bryan forwarded your message to = me today. As Bryan has probably told you I am an Arizona Site Steward. = The reason I wanted to contact you was to talk to you about geocaching. = First off, I am in no way against geocaching. In fact, I have a longtime = geocacher in my site steward region here in Yuma and he has educated me = on the sport. However, in other regions of Arizona some site steward = beleive that geocaching has been doing great harm to pristine = archaeological sites by the increase in foot and vehicle travel. = Beleive me, I in no way am saying that geocachers have no right to visit = these areas. I have visited both the Arizona and Bryan's geocaching = site many, many times and have read the logs of people removing trash = from areas and enjoying the beauty of the desert and greatly appreciate = your efforts. My goal in contacting you and other geocachers is to = expedite an answer to the conflict existing here. What I would like to = ask is if you and other geocachers who have geocaches near = archaeological or historical sites would move these caches a safe = distance from the site so that people who are only interested in finding = the cache can do that without disturbing the site. Apparently around the = Phoenix area several sites have been almost completely destroyed and it = is beleived that the extra traffic from geocaching has played a part in = this. I think if we moved these geocaches and allowed the site stewards = to continue to monitor the sites, possibly we could then determine what = part, if any geocaching played in this. Please let me know your = feelings on this matter. I look forward to hearing your reply. Sincerely, Jill McCormick =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0267_01C249A9.4E365740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I thought the group here would be = interested in=20 reading the following coversation that I had with Jill McCormick who is = a Land=20 Steward in the Tucson area. Jill had contacted Geocaching.com and = requested to=20 speak to me abut here concerns. Seems we need more Stewards like=20 her.

Ken

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Jill McCormick

To: Ken=20

Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 5:22 AM

Subject: Re: Geocaching- AZ site stewards

Ken,

Yes, you have my permission to post our = conversation on the web site. I do plan to join the mailing list = and will=20 encourage as many other site stewards as possible to do the same. = It seems=20 you and I both have the same viewpoint that the only way to come to an = agreement=20 is for there to be communication between the two groups. Hopefully = everyone will=20 keep an open mind and realize that both parties only want what is = best. =20 Thank you for all your efforts and for having an interest in = preservation. =20 It has been a pleasure talking to you and hope to in the future see = you at=20 a site steward event as an Arizona Site Steward.

Thank you,

Jill

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ken =
To: Jill McCormick =

Sent: Wednesday, August 21, = 2002 7:58=20 PM

Subject: Re: Geocaching- AZ = site=20 stewards

Jill,

    I agree and with = your thoughts=20 and with your permission I would like to post our conversation on the = Az=20 Geocaching web site. I again encourage you, and the other site = stewards to=20 join so that we all can exchange ideas and concerns without things = getting=20 blown out of proportions. The group on this list can be pretty = vocal at=20 times but from what I've seen they are open minded and willing to = listen to=20 anyone's point of view. If a geocache is found affecting an = archeological site=20 in AZ this mailing list would probably be the quickest way to address = the=20 issue and get it moved. As for the rest of my geocaches I have only = one left=20 that is near one lonely spiral petroglyph that I found while = hiking near=20 my home. The rest are virtual caches and require no hunting = at any=20 actual sites.

Ken

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jill McCormick =
To: Ken

Sent: Wednesday, August 21, = 2002 12:20=20 PM

Subject: Re: Geocaching- AZ = site=20 stewards

Hello Ken,

It is good to finally get to = communicate=20 directly with you. I totally agree about the AZ Republic = article I do=20 not think that it gave a fair perspective of the situation. I = would=20 like to apologize for the site stewards. This issue has been = hotly=20 contested by the Site Stewards around Phoenix for quite = awhile. I have=20 several geocaches in my area (Yuma) and have never had any problem = with=20 vandalism of sites. I have repeatedly questioned them on their = opposition to geocachers in general only to hear that geocachers = have=20 destroyed many sites in the Phoenix area when I ask what proof they = can=20 produce to prove it was geocachers I get th response, " Well we = found a=20 geocache there so it must be them". This is the reason I asked = them to=20 be the one to make contact with geocachers. I feel I have a = more=20 openminded position to this issue. I believe many site = stewards are=20 bias against geocachers and are willing to listen to half truths and = falsehoods. I am happy to hear that geocachers are out there = cleaning=20 up our wilderness areas and educating our youth on preservation and = our=20 history. It would be great to enlist you all as site stewards to = help us in=20 the cause. I know as with any organization there can be bad = apples,=20 but in the time I have worked with the geocachers I have only = had great=20 cooperation. That is why I have asked to have the geocaches moved = and not=20 removed.  Some site stewards are out for blood and to = avert a=20 nasty situation I think it would be easiest just to move the = caches=20 away from the sites.

Thanks,

Jill

----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Ken =
To: Jill McCormick =

Sent: Tuesday, August 20, = 2002 10:52=20 PM

Subject: Re: Geocaching- AZ = site=20 stewards

Hello Jill,

    Since the = article in the=20 Az Republic was posted this has been a major topic on the mailing=20 list at http://www.azgeocaching.com/&nb= sp;.=20 Brian Cluff runs this site and it is a great resource for anyone=20 interested in Geocaching in Arizona. I would like to suggest = that you=20 pass this information along to any of the site stewards that = have=20 access to the internet and encourage them to join the mailing = list. This=20 site will enable the free flow of communications between the = stewards and=20 the majority of the Geocaching community in Arizona.

    I found the = article in the=20 Arizona republic very poorly researched and considered it a "hit = piece"=20 against my hobby. If the quotes made by the land = stewards, to=20 the reporter, are accurate I found them very inflammatory and = insinuated=20 that I violated some law. I have personally experienced = the=20 inaccuracies of some reporters and realize the quotes may not be = accurate,=20 or were taken out of context. Still I found the article and = alleged=20 statements by the site stewards highly offensive. One of the = reasons that=20 I enjoy Geocaching is the opportunity that it gives for me to = show my=20 children (4 yrs and 11yrs) the beauty and history that = our state=20 has to offer.

    Upon = reflection I realize=20 that it is not a good idea to place cache container too close = to an=20 archeological site as the number of visitors looking for the = cache=20 could have the potential to cause damage. Since the cache = container=20 from my "Sign From The Past III" has been removed by the site = steward I=20 have changed it to a "virtual" cache. What this means is the cache = hunter=20 simply needs to find the petroglyps and = take photograph of=20 them. As a virtual cache there is no need for the geocacher to=20 "hunt" for a hidden container and should eliminate = any=20 possible accidental damage. As for the site It is clearly = marked on a=20 topographical map and has a nearby 4x4 road that is only .25 miles = away.=20 While visiting this location the only thing I noticed were the = actual=20 glyphs and did not see any pottery shards or nearby = ruins. Since the=20 site was posted in February it has only had 4 groups visit=20 it.

Ken

A.K.A.

The Evil "WhereRWee" geocacher=20 ;)

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Jill McCormick =
To: Kenh199@cox.net

Sent: Tuesday, August 20, = 2002 1:18=20 PM

Subject: Geocaching- AZ = site=20 stewards

Ken,

Hi, apparently we have been = having some=20 email difficulties and I did not receive your email last Friday = Bryan=20 forwarded your message to me today. As Bryan has probably = told you=20 I am an Arizona Site Steward. The reason I wanted to = contact you=20 was to talk to you about geocaching. First off, I am in no = way=20 against geocaching. In fact, I have a longtime geocacher in my = site=20 steward region here in Yuma and he has educated me on the = sport. =20 However, in other regions of Arizona some site steward = beleive that=20 geocaching has been doing great harm to pristine archaeological = sites by=20 the increase in foot and vehicle travel. Beleive = me, I in no=20 way am saying that geocachers have no right to visit these = areas. =20 I have visited both the Arizona and Bryan's geocaching site = many,=20 many times and have read the logs of people removing trash from = areas=20 and enjoying the beauty of the desert and greatly = appreciate your=20 efforts. My goal in contacting you and other geocachers is = to=20 expedite an answer to the conflict existing here. What I = would=20 like to ask is if you and other geocachers who have geocaches = near=20 archaeological or historical sites would move these caches = a safe=20 distance from the site so that people who are only = interested in=20 finding the cache can do that without disturbing the site. = Apparently=20 around the Phoenix area several sites have been almost=20 completely destroyed and it is beleived that the = extra=20 traffic from geocaching has played a part in = this.  I=20 think if we moved these geocaches and allowed the site stewards = to=20 continue to monitor the sites, possibly we could then determine = what=20 part, if any geocaching played in this. Please let me know = your=20 feelings on this matter. I look forward to hearing your=20 reply.

Sincerely,

Jill=20 = McCormick
------=_NextPart_000_0267_01C249A9.4E365740-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 22 15:01:31 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Chelby Geiss) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:01:31 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Fw: Geocaching- AZ site stewards In-Reply-To: <026a01c249e3$fab6e810$91f50244@cx301817d> Message-ID: <0AD9205A-B5E0-11D6-9893-000393545682@desertsol.com> Hurrah to Ms. McCormick for having such an open mind! I completely agree with Ken, we need more site stewarts like her! How about more geocacher site stewarts (I'm thinking about it)! We will have information about becoming a site stewart at the Pueblo Grande Event (GC8039)! C:) Team desertSol Chelby & Kevin + Kiva and Lancer (German Shepherds) Apache Junction, AZ www.desertsol.com/~chelby/geocaching From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 22 15:53:48 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:53:48 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Fw: Geocaching- AZ site stewards In-Reply-To: <026a01c249e3$fab6e810$91f50244@cx301817d> Message-ID: <001301c249f4$1b9e6b10$026fa8c0@OUR> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C249B9.6F3F9310 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, Ken, and thanks also to Jill McCormick for her willingness to seek solutions that will accommodate the desires of all parties. Please keep your conversations going, and please invite more land stewards to visit our list server. We may all be pleasantly surprised to find that the "desires of all parties" aren't that different from one another. Steve Team Tierra Buena -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Ken Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 6:58 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Fw: Geocaching- AZ site stewards I thought the group here would be interested in reading the following coversation that I had with Jill McCormick who is a Land Steward in the Tucson area. Jill had contacted Geocaching.com and requested to speak to me abut here concerns. Seems we need more Stewards like her. Ken ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C249B9.6F3F9310 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Thanks, Ken, and thanks also to Jill McCormick for her = willingness=20 to seek solutions that will accommodate the desires of all parties. = Please keep=20 your conversations going, and please invite more land stewards to visit = our list=20 server. We may all be pleasantly surprised to find that the "desires of = all=20 parties" aren't that different from one another.

Steve

Team=20 Tierra Buena

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = Ken
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 6:58 = AM
To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Fw: = Geocaching-=20 AZ site stewards

I thought the group here would be = interested in=20 reading the following coversation that I had with Jill McCormick who = is a Land=20 Steward in the Tucson area. Jill had contacted Geocaching.com and = requested to=20 speak to me abut here concerns. Seems we need more Stewards like=20 her.

Ken

------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C249B9.6F3F9310-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 22 16:21:05 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Holmes, Richard) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:21:05 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Fw: Geocaching- AZ site stewards Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C249F7.EA25F0E0 Content-Type: text/plain Yes, thanks, Ken, for your ability to remain objective, and engage in productive dialog. Personally, I'm still too angry at what I consider totally unprofessional behavior on the part of Christine and Shelley to accept that it is not representative of their respective communities. Dick Creepin' Jeepers -----Original Message----- From: Team Tierra Buena [mailto:teamtierrabuena@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 8:54 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Fw: Geocaching- AZ site stewards Thanks, Ken, and thanks also to Jill McCormick for her willingness to seek solutions that will accommodate the desires of all parties. Please keep your conversations going, and please invite more land stewards to visit our list server. We may all be pleasantly surprised to find that the "desires of all parties" aren't that different from one another. Steve Team Tierra Buena -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Ken Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 6:58 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Fw: Geocaching- AZ site stewards I thought the group here would be interested in reading the following coversation that I had with Jill McCormick who is a Land Steward in the Tucson area. Jill had contacted Geocaching.com and requested to speak to me abut here concerns. Seems we need more Stewards like her. Ken ------_=_NextPart_001_01C249F7.EA25F0E0 Content-Type: text/html Message
Yes, thanks, Ken, for your ability to remain objective, and engage in productive dialog. Personally, I'm still too angry at what I consider totally unprofessional behavior on the part of Christine and Shelley to accept that it is not representative of their respective communities.

Dick

Creepin' Jeepers

-----Original Message-----
From: Team Tierra Buena [mailto:teamtierrabuena@earthlink.net]
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 8:54 AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Fw: Geocaching- AZ site stewards

Thanks, Ken, and thanks also to Jill McCormick for her willingness to seek solutions that will accommodate the desires of all parties. Please keep your conversations going, and please invite more land stewards to visit our list server. We may all be pleasantly surprised to find that the "desires of all parties" aren't that different from one another.

Steve

Team Tierra Buena

-----Original Message-----
From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 6:58 AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Fw: Geocaching- AZ site stewards

I thought the group here would be interested in reading the following coversation that I had with Jill McCormick who is a Land Steward in the Tucson area. Jill had contacted Geocaching.com and requested to speak to me abut here concerns. Seems we need more Stewards like her.

Ken

------_=_NextPart_001_01C249F7.EA25F0E0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 22 19:11:13 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:11:13 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] survey of sorts... Message-ID: <001d01c24a0f$b006dd80$8410b83f@fishkiller> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C249D5.01FCC680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Howdy After I take another statistics class I will put the results in some = other useless form but until then I will just group the best or most = popular answers together. Some questions are yes/no others are not keep = answers concise as possible. 1) How did you get introduced to Geo Caching? 2) How long have you been a Geo Cacher? 3) What is your present GPS'r? a) What was your first GPS'r? b) How many units have you owned? c) What unit(s) would you recommend to new cachers? 4) How long did it take to locate your first cache? 5) What has been your most memorable cache? a) Why? 6) What has been your least favorite cache? a) Why? 7) What factors dictate which cache you go looking for? 8) How many other Geo Cachers have you met while on a caching hunt? 9) Has that meeting changed the way you cache? 10) When unable to locate a cache how long do you search? a) How many attempts before logging a no-find? b) Do you contact the cache owner for help? c) Do you ask other cachers for help?=20 11) When driving around are you tempted to go and look again at caches = you have found before? 12) What has been the best trinket in a cache? 13) What has been the worst trinket in a cache? 14) Do you leave a signature item? a) Are you considering your own? b) Who has the most notable? 15) When in a populated area waiting to retrieve a cache what things do = you do to pass the time? a) While waiting what was the worst thing to have happen? b) What has been the best thing? 16) Do you practice Cache in Trash out? 17) Your own question for others? ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C249D5.01FCC680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Howdy

After I take another statistics class I = will put=20 the results in some other useless form but until then I will just group = the best=20 or most popular answers together. Some questions are yes/no others are = not keep=20 answers concise as possible.

1) How did you get = introduced to Geo=20 Caching?

2) How long have you = been a Geo=20 Cacher?

3) What is your present = GPS'r?

    = a) What was=20 your first GPS'r?
    b) How many units have you=20 owned?

    c) = What unit(s)=20 would you recommend to new cachers?

4) How long did it take = to locate=20 your first cache?

5) What has been your = most memorable=20 cache?

    a)=20 Why?

6) What has been your = least favorite=20 cache?

    a)=20 Why?

7) What factors dictate = which cache=20 you go looking for?

8) How many other Geo = Cachers have=20 you met while on a caching hunt?

9) Has that meeting = changed the way=20 you cache?

10) When unable to = locate a cache how=20 long do you search?

    a) = How many=20 attempts before logging a no-find?

    b) = Do you contact=20 the cache owner for help?

    c) Do you=20 ask other cachers for help?

11) When driving around = are you=20 tempted to go and look again at caches you have found = before?

12) What has been the = best trinket in=20 a cache?

13) What has been the = worst trinket=20 in a cache?

14) Do you leave a = signature=20 item?

    a) Are you=20 considering your own?

    b) = Who has the=20 most notable?

15) When in a populated = area waiting=20 to retrieve a cache what things do you do to pass the = time?

    a) = While waiting=20 what was the worst thing to have happen?

    b) = What has been=20 the best thing?

16) Do you = practice Cache in=20 Trash out?

17) Your own question = for=20 others?
------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C249D5.01FCC680-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 22 19:29:15 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jason Poulter) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:29:15 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] survey of sorts... References: <001d01c24a0f$b006dd80$8410b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: <3D653B8B.3030101@snaptek.com> what is this survey for anywho? jason Regan Smith wrote: > Howdy > > After I take another statistics class I will put the results in some > other useless form but until then I will just group the best or most > popular answers together. Some questions are yes/no others are not keep > answers concise as possible. > > 1) How did you get introduced to Geo Caching? > 2) How long have you been a Geo Cacher? > 3) What is your present GPS'r? > a) What was your first GPS'r? > b) How many units have you owned? > c) What unit(s) would you recommend to new cachers? > 4) How long did it take to locate your first cache? > 5) What has been your most memorable cache? > a) Why? > 6) What has been your least favorite cache? > a) Why? > 7) What factors dictate which cache you go looking for? > 8) How many other Geo Cachers have you met while on a caching hunt? > 9) Has that meeting changed the way you cache? > 10) When unable to locate a cache how long do you search? > a) How many attempts before logging a no-find? > b) Do you contact the cache owner for help? > c) Do you ask other cachers for help? > 11) When driving around are you tempted to go and look again at caches > you have found before? > 12) What has been the best trinket in a cache? > 13) What has been the worst trinket in a cache? > 14) Do you leave a signature item? > a) Are you considering your own? > b) Who has the most notable? > 15) When in a populated area waiting to retrieve a cache what things do > you do to pass the time? > a) While waiting what was the worst thing to have happen? > b) What has been the best thing? > 16) Do you practice Cache in Trash out? > 17) Your own question for others? From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 22 20:21:34 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Holmes, Richard) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:21:34 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] survey of sorts... Message-ID: Hey, these are cute questions. I don't know if I'll respond, but answering them to myself was sort of fun. Dick Creepin' Jeepers -----Original Message----- From: Jason Poulter [mailto:polt@snaptek.com] Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 12:29 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] survey of sorts... what is this survey for anywho? jason Regan Smith wrote: > Howdy > > After I take another statistics class I will put the results in some > other useless form but until then I will just group the best or most > popular answers together. Some questions are yes/no others are not keep > answers concise as possible. > > 1) How did you get introduced to Geo Caching? > 2) How long have you been a Geo Cacher? > 3) What is your present GPS'r? > a) What was your first GPS'r? > b) How many units have you owned? > c) What unit(s) would you recommend to new cachers? > 4) How long did it take to locate your first cache? > 5) What has been your most memorable cache? > a) Why? > 6) What has been your least favorite cache? > a) Why? > 7) What factors dictate which cache you go looking for? > 8) How many other Geo Cachers have you met while on a caching hunt? > 9) Has that meeting changed the way you cache? > 10) When unable to locate a cache how long do you search? > a) How many attempts before logging a no-find? > b) Do you contact the cache owner for help? > c) Do you ask other cachers for help? > 11) When driving around are you tempted to go and look again at caches > you have found before? > 12) What has been the best trinket in a cache? > 13) What has been the worst trinket in a cache? > 14) Do you leave a signature item? > a) Are you considering your own? > b) Who has the most notable? > 15) When in a populated area waiting to retrieve a cache what things do > you do to pass the time? > a) While waiting what was the worst thing to have happen? > b) What has been the best thing? > 16) Do you practice Cache in Trash out? > 17) Your own question for others? _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 22 20:29:19 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:29:19 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] survey of sorts... References: <001d01c24a0f$b006dd80$8410b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: <000f01c24a1a$991524a0$df29b83f@fishkiller> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C249DF.EB6E3C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok I am doing this survey for this reason: I have associated with people = that will remain non Cachers as I was unable to satisfy many of their = questions, though I and my Caching partner are unique and will continue = as long as we are able too. I thought lastnight as I was midnight = caching why not get some general information from my fellow cachers. I = don't intend on using any of the information for any other purpose than = that, but haven't you ever wondered??? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Regan Smith=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 12:11 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] survey of sorts... Howdy After I take another statistics class I will put the results in some = other useless form but until then I will just group the best or most = popular answers together. Some questions are yes/no others are not keep = answers concise as possible. 1) How did you get introduced to Geo Caching? From a scubadiving website 2) How long have you been a Geo Cacher? Not long enough since May 2002 3) What is your present GPS'r? Magellan 315 a) What was your first GPS'r? Magellan Trailblazer XL 1994 b) How many units have you owned? Three c) What unit(s) would you recommend to new cachers? Uh Magellan 4) How long did it take to locate your first cache? 2 minutes counting the walk from the truck 5) What has been your most memorable cache? each has its own unique story a) Why? I think it was the talk I had with that lizzard on Silly = Mountian 6) What has been your least favorite cache? The ones I lost blood at a) Why? They left physical scars 7) What factors dictate which cache you go looking for? Location, Location,Location, and rating. 8) How many other Geo Cachers have you met while on a caching hunt? Three different groups all very nice 9) Has that meeting changed the way you cache? Yes=20 10) When unable to locate a cache how long do you search? my rule is 20 minutes =20 a) How many attempts before logging a no-find? 3=20 b) Do you contact the cache owner for help? Yes c) Do you ask other cachers for help?=20 When we can 11) When driving around are you tempted to go and look again at caches = you have found before? Yes =20 12) What has been the best trinket in a cache? The one the will be left as a White Elephant 13) What has been the worst trinket in a cache? Used golf balls =20 14) Do you leave a signature item? No a) Are you considering your own? Yes b) Who has the most notable? The Sand Dollar and the Business Card 15) When in a populated area waiting to retrieve a cache what things = do you do to pass the time? Sitting on a bench a) While waiting what was the worst thing to have happen? Having the sprinkler turned on b) What has been the best thing? found a quarter 16) Do you practice Cache in Trash out? When possible 17) Your own question for others? What if you get caught by someone? =20 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C249DF.EB6E3C40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok I am doing this survey for this = reason: I have=20 associated with people that will remain non Cachers as I was unable=20 to satisfy many of their questions, though I and my Caching partner = are=20 unique and will continue as long as we are able too. I thought lastnight = as I=20 was midnight caching why not get some general information from my fellow = cachers. I don't intend on using any of the information for any other = purpose=20 than that, but haven't you ever wondered???

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Regan=20 Smith
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 = 12:11=20 PM

Subject: [Az-Geocaching] survey = of=20 sorts...

Howdy

After I take another statistics class = I will put=20 the results in some other useless form but until then I will just = group the=20 best or most popular answers together. Some questions are yes/no = others are=20 not keep answers concise as possible.

1) How did you get = introduced to=20 Geo Caching?

     From a = scubadiving=20 website

2) How long have you = been a Geo=20 Cacher?

    Not long enough = since May=20 2002

3) What is your = present=20 GPS'r?

        = Magellan=20 315

    = a) What was=20 your first GPS'r?

        Magellan Trailblazer XL = 1994
    b) How=20 many units have you owned?

     =    =20 Three

    c) = What unit(s)=20 would you recommend to new cachers?

        =     Uh Magellan

4) How long did it = take to locate=20 your first cache?

        =     2 minutes counting the walk from the = truck

5) What has been your = most=20 memorable cache?

        each=20 has its own unique story

    a) = Why?

        = I think it=20 was the talk I had with that lizzard on Silly Mountian

6) What has been your = least=20 favorite cache?

        =     The ones I lost blood at

    a) = Why?

          &nbs= p; They=20 left physical scars

7) What factors = dictate which cache=20 you go looking for?

        = Location,=20 Location,Location, and rating.

8) How many other Geo = Cachers have=20 you met while on a caching hunt?

     Three different groups all very=20 nice

9) Has that meeting = changed the way=20 you cache?

    Yes

10) When unable to = locate a cache=20 how long do you search?

    my rule is 20 minutes =20

    a) = How many=20 attempts before logging a no-find?

        = 3=20

    b) = Do you=20 contact the cache owner for help?

        = Yes

    c) Do you=20 ask other cachers for help?

        = When we=20 can

11) When driving = around are you=20 tempted to go and look again at caches you have found = before?

       =20 Yes

12) What has been the = best trinket=20 in a cache?

        = The one the=20 will be left as a White Elephant

13) What has been the = worst trinket=20 in a cache?

    =20     Used golf = balls          =20

14) Do you leave a = signature=20 item?

        = No

    a) Are you=20 considering your own?

        = Yes

    b) = Who has the=20 most notable?

        = The Sand=20 Dollar and the Business Card

15) When in a = populated area=20 waiting to retrieve a cache what things do you do to pass the=20 time?

        = Sitting on=20 a bench

    a) = While waiting=20 what was the worst thing to have happen?

        = Having the=20 sprinkler turned on

    b) = What has been=20 the best thing?

        = found a=20 quarter

16) Do you = practice Cache in=20 Trash out?

        = When=20 possible

17) Your own question = for=20 others?

        What if=20 you get caught by someone?

        =
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C249DF.EB6E3C40-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 22 20:40:23 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Holmes, Richard) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:40:23 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] survey of sorts... Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C24A1C.23836AB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Geocaching is an acquired taste; ONCE and you're hooked. Dick CJ -----Original Message----- From: Regan Smith [mailto:buggers@mindspring.com] Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 1:29 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] survey of sorts... Ok I am doing this survey for this reason: I have associated with people that will remain non Cachers as I was unable to satisfy many of their questions, though I and my Caching partner are unique and will continue as long as we are able too. I thought lastnight as I was midnight caching why not get some general information from my fellow cachers. I don't intend on using any of the information for any other purpose than that, but haven't you ever wondered??? ----- Original Message ----- From: Regan Smith To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 12:11 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] survey of sorts... Howdy After I take another statistics class I will put the results in some other useless form but until then I will just group the best or most popular answers together. Some questions are yes/no others are not keep answers concise as possible. 1) How did you get introduced to Geo Caching? From a scubadiving website 2) How long have you been a Geo Cacher? Not long enough since May 2002 3) What is your present GPS'r? Magellan 315 a) What was your first GPS'r? Magellan Trailblazer XL 1994 b) How many units have you owned? Three c) What unit(s) would you recommend to new cachers? Uh Magellan 4) How long did it take to locate your first cache? 2 minutes counting the walk from the truck 5) What has been your most memorable cache? each has its own unique story a) Why? I think it was the talk I had with that lizzard on Silly Mountian 6) What has been your least favorite cache? The ones I lost blood at a) Why? They left physical scars 7) What factors dictate which cache you go looking for? Location, Location,Location, and rating. 8) How many other Geo Cachers have you met while on a caching hunt? Three different groups all very nice 9) Has that meeting changed the way you cache? Yes 10) When unable to locate a cache how long do you search? my rule is 20 minutes a) How many attempts before logging a no-find? 3 b) Do you contact the cache owner for help? Yes c) Do you ask other cachers for help? When we can 11) When driving around are you tempted to go and look again at caches you have found before? Yes 12) What has been the best trinket in a cache? The one the will be left as a White Elephant 13) What has been the worst trinket in a cache? Used golf balls 14) Do you leave a signature item? No a) Are you considering your own? Yes b) Who has the most notable? The Sand Dollar and the Business Card 15) When in a populated area waiting to retrieve a cache what things do you do to pass the time? Sitting on a bench a) While waiting what was the worst thing to have happen? Having the sprinkler turned on b) What has been the best thing? found a quarter 16) Do you practice Cache in Trash out? When possible 17) Your own question for others? What if you get caught by someone? ------_=_NextPart_001_01C24A1C.23836AB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Geocaching is an acquired taste; ONCE and you're hooked.

Dick

CJ

-----Original Message-----
From: Regan Smith [mailto:buggers@mindspring.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 1:29 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] survey of sorts...

Ok I am doing this survey for this reason: I have associated with people that will remain non Cachers as I was unable to satisfy many of their questions, though I and my Caching partner are unique and will continue as long as we are able too. I thought lastnight as I was midnight caching why not get some general information from my fellow cachers. I don't intend on using any of the information for any other purpose than that, but haven't you ever wondered???

----- Original Message -----

From: Regan Smith

To: listserv@azgeocaching.com

Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 12:11 PM

Subject: [Az-Geocaching] survey of sorts...

Howdy

After I take another statistics class I will put the results in some other useless form but until then I will just group the best or most popular answers together. Some questions are yes/no others are not keep answers concise as possible.

1) How did you get introduced to Geo Caching?

     From a scubadiving website

2) How long have you been a Geo Cacher?

    Not long enough since May 2002

3) What is your present GPS'r?

        Magellan 315

    a) What was your first GPS'r?

        Magellan Trailblazer XL 1994
    b) How many units have you owned?

         Three

    c) What unit(s) would you recommend to new cachers?

            Uh Magellan

4) How long did it take to locate your first cache?

            2 minutes counting the walk from the truck

5) What has been your most memorable cache?

        each has its own unique story

    a) Why?

        I think it was the talk I had with that lizzard on Silly Mountian

6) What has been your least favorite cache?

            The ones I lost blood at

    a) Why?

            They left physical scars

7) What factors dictate which cache you go looking for?

        Location, Location,Location, and rating.

8) How many other Geo Cachers have you met while on a caching hunt?

     Three different groups all very nice

9) Has that meeting changed the way you cache?

    Yes

10) When unable to locate a cache how long do you search?

    my rule is 20 minutes

    a) How many attempts before logging a no-find?

        3

    b) Do you contact the cache owner for help?

        Yes

    c) Do you ask other cachers for help?

        When we can

11) When driving around are you tempted to go and look again at caches you have found before?

        Yes

12) What has been the best trinket in a cache?

        The one the will be left as a White Elephant

13) What has been the worst trinket in a cache?

         Used golf balls

14) Do you leave a signature item?

        No

    a) Are you considering your own?

        Yes

    b) Who has the most notable?

        The Sand Dollar and the Business Card

15) When in a populated area waiting to retrieve a cache what things do you do to pass the time?

        Sitting on a bench

    a) While waiting what was the worst thing to have happen?

        Having the sprinkler turned on

    b) What has been the best thing?

        found a quarter

16) Do you practice Cache in Trash out?

        When possible

17) Your own question for others?

        What if you get caught by someone?


------_=_NextPart_001_01C24A1C.23836AB0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 22 23:41:23 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Koch, Dan) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:41:23 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] survey of sorts... Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C24A35.6C751610 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well, if no one else will... Maybe this will start the ball rolling. Thanks for asking. Dan Team LazyK -----Original Message----- From: Regan Smith [mailto:buggers@mindspring.com] 1) How did you get introduced to Geo Caching? Read about Project Ape in newspaper as promotion for Planet of the Apes movie last summer. 2) How long have you been a Geo Cacher? 1 year, 2 months since first find; about 8 months actively. 3) What is your present GPS'r? Venture a) What was your first GPS'r? 12 b) How many units have you owned? 2 c) What unit(s) would you recommend to new cachers? Anything cheap, as long as it comes with a PC interface cable. That's all you need. Then, if you decide to stick with it, get one with maps, etc. if you want later on. 4) How long did it take to locate your first cache? 5-10 minutes 5) What has been your most memorable cache? Martinez Canyon Cache a) Why? Absolutely loved the area it was in. It was also the first cache of a very memorable caching trip (first 4WD trip). 6) What has been your least favorite cache? Outside of most 'locationless' ones? :) Hmm...A couple different ones. (and no, not the 'Hmmm...' cache which was quite enjoyable.) a) Why? No purpose to them. Not an interesting place, not a challenge to find, no puzzle involved to find the coordinates, just a container hidden in what seems to be a random location using a technique that has most likely been done many, many times before. 7) What factors dictate which cache you go looking for? Groups that can be found nearby or at least on the same excursion; availability of caching partners. 8) How many other Geo Cachers have you met while on a caching hunt? Not counting event caches, about 10. 9) Has that meeting changed the way you cache? Not really. 10) When unable to locate a cache how long do you search? Depends on where the cache is. Out in the boonies? 1hr+. Urban? 20 minutes. a) How many attempts before logging a no-find? 1 b) Do you contact the cache owner for help? Rarely, but I have done it. c) Do you ask other cachers for help? Sometimes. 11) When driving around are you tempted to go and look again at caches you have found before? Only to show it to someone else (Playing in Camelot) or because I see other cachers searching for it and I want to see who they are. 12) What has been the best trinket in a cache? Movie Tickets (is that a trinket?) 13) What has been the worst trinket in a cache? Too numerous. Mostly stuff that should have been thrown out to begin with. 14) Do you leave a signature item? No a) Are you considering your own? Yes b) Who has the most notable? You mean there's signature items other than SandDollars and RtW brochures out there? 15) When in a populated area waiting to retrieve a cache what things do you do to pass the time? Find a bench and wait...or leave and come back if possible. a) While waiting what was the worst thing to have happen? More people show up or they don't leave for an hour (after you've found the cache and are waiting to put it back!!) b) What has been the best thing? While waiting that hour, just enjoying the area. 16) Do you practice Cache in Trash out? Sometimes. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C24A35.6C751610 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Well, if no one else will...

Maybe this will start the ball rolling. Thanks for asking.

Dan

Team LazyK

-----Original Message-----
From: Regan Smith [mailto:buggers@mindspring.com]

1) How did you get introduced to Geo Caching? Read about Project Ape in newspaper as promotion for Planet of the Apes movie last summer.

2) How long have you been a Geo Cacher? 1 year, 2 months since first find; about 8 months actively.

3) What is your present GPS'r? Venture

    a) What was your first GPS'r? 12
    b) How many units have you owned? 2

    c) What unit(s) would you recommend to new cachers? Anything cheap, as long as it comes with a PC interface cable. That's all you need. Then, if you decide to stick with it, get one with maps, etc. if you want later on.

4) How long did it take to locate your first cache? 5-10 minutes

5) What has been your most memorable cache? Martinez Canyon Cache

    a) Why? Absolutely loved the area it was in. It was also the first cache of a very memorable caching trip (first 4WD trip).

6) What has been your least favorite cache? Outside of most 'locationless' ones? :) Hmm...A couple different ones. (and no, not the 'Hmmm...' cache which was quite enjoyable.)

    a) Why? No purpose to them. Not an interesting place, not a challenge to find, no puzzle involved to find the coordinates, just a container hidden in what seems to be a random location using a technique that has most likely been done many, many times before.

7) What factors dictate which cache you go looking for? Groups that can be found nearby or at least on the same excursion; availability of caching partners.

8) How many other Geo Cachers have you met while on a caching hunt? Not counting event caches, about 10.

9) Has that meeting changed the way you cache? Not really.

10) When unable to locate a cache how long do you search? Depends on where the cache is. Out in the boonies?  1hr+. Urban? 20 minutes.

    a) How many attempts before logging a no-find? 1

    b) Do you contact the cache owner for help? Rarely, but I have done it.

    c) Do you ask other cachers for help?  Sometimes.

11) When driving around are you tempted to go and look again at caches you have found before? Only to show it to someone else (Playing in Camelot) or because I see other cachers searching for it and I want to see who they are.

12) What has been the best trinket in a cache? Movie Tickets (is that a trinket?)

13) What has been the worst trinket in a cache? Too numerous. Mostly stuff that should have been thrown out to begin with.

14) Do you leave a signature item? No

    a) Are you considering your own? Yes

    b) Who has the most notable? You mean there's signature items other than SandDollars and RtW brochures out there?

15) When in a populated area waiting to retrieve a cache what things do you do to pass the time? Find a bench and wait...or leave and come back if possible.

    a) While waiting what was the worst thing to have happen? More people show up or they don't leave for an hour (after you've found the cache and are waiting to put it back!!)

    b) What has been the best thing? While waiting that hour, just enjoying the area.

16) Do you practice Cache in Trash out? Sometimes.
------_=_NextPart_001_01C24A35.6C751610-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 23 00:03:24 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:03:24 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] survey of sorts... References: <001d01c24a0f$b006dd80$8410b83f@fishkiller> <000f01c24a1a$991524a0$df29b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: <005901c24a38$8558ab80$b521b83f@fishkiller> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C249FD.D3829860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here are my answers: 1) How did you get introduced to Geo Caching? From a scubadiving website 2) How long have you been a Geo Cacher? Not long enough since May 2002 3) What is your present GPS'r? Magellan 315 a) What was your first GPS'r? Magellan Trailblazer XL 1994 b) How many units have you owned? Three c) What unit(s) would you recommend to new cachers? Uh Magellan 4) How long did it take to locate your first cache? 2 minutes counting the walk from the truck 5) What has been your most memorable cache? each has its own unique story a) Why? I think it was the talk I had with that lizzard on Silly = Mountian 6) What has been your least favorite cache? The ones I lost blood at a) Why? They left physical scars 7) What factors dictate which cache you go looking for? Location, Location,Location, and rating. 8) How many other Geo Cachers have you met while on a caching hunt? Three different groups all very nice 9) Has that meeting changed the way you cache? Yes=20 10) When unable to locate a cache how long do you search? my rule is 20 minutes =20 a) How many attempts before logging a no-find? 3=20 b) Do you contact the cache owner for help? Yes c) Do you ask other cachers for help?=20 When we can 11) When driving around are you tempted to go and look again at = caches you have found before? Yes =20 12) What has been the best trinket in a cache? The one the will be left as a White Elephant 13) What has been the worst trinket in a cache? Used golf balls =20 14) Do you leave a signature item? No a) Are you considering your own? Yes b) Who has the most notable? The Sand Dollar and the Business Card 15) When in a populated area waiting to retrieve a cache what things = do you do to pass the time? Sitting on a bench a) While waiting what was the worst thing to have happen? Having the sprinkler turned on b) What has been the best thing? found a quarter 16) Do you practice Cache in Trash out? When possible 17) Your own question for others? What if you get caught by someone? =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C249FD.D3829860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here are my answers:

           1) = How did=20 you get introduced to Geo Caching?

         &nb= sp; =20      From a scubadiving website

2) How long have = you been a Geo=20 Cacher?

    Not long enough = since May=20 2002

3) What is your = present=20 GPS'r?

    =     Magellan=20 315

    = a) What=20 was your first GPS'r?

        Magellan Trailblazer XL = 1994
    b)=20 How many units have you owned?

     =    =20 Three

    = c) What=20 unit(s) would you recommend to new cachers?

    =    =20     Uh Magellan

4) How long did it = take to locate=20 your first cache?

    =    =20     2 minutes counting the walk from the = truck

5) What has been = your most=20 memorable cache?

        each=20 has its own unique story

    = a)=20 Why?

    =     I think=20 it was the talk I had with that lizzard on Silly = Mountian

6) What has been = your least=20 favorite cache?

    =    =20     The ones I lost blood at

    = a)=20 Why?

          &nbs= p;=20 They left physical scars

7) What factors = dictate which=20 cache you go looking for?

    =     Location,=20 Location,Location, and rating.

8) How many other = Geo Cachers=20 have you met while on a caching hunt?

     Three different groups all very=20 nice

9) Has that meeting = changed the=20 way you cache?

    Yes

10) When unable to = locate a cache=20 how long do you search?

    my rule is 20 = minutes =20

    = a) How many=20 attempts before logging a no-find?

    =     3=20

    = b) Do you=20 contact the cache owner for help?

    =    =20 Yes

    c) Do=20 you ask other cachers for help?

    =     When we=20 can

11) When driving = around are you=20 tempted to go and look again at caches you have found = before?

       =20 Yes

12) What has been = the best=20 trinket in a cache?

    =     The one=20 the will be left as a White Elephant

13) What has been = the worst=20 trinket in a cache?

    =20     Used golf = balls          =20

14) Do you leave a = signature=20 item?

    =    =20 No

    a) Are=20 you considering your own?

    =    =20 Yes

    = b) Who has the=20 most notable?

    =     The Sand=20 Dollar and the Business Card

15) When in a = populated area=20 waiting to retrieve a cache what things do you do to pass the=20 time?

    =     Sitting=20 on a bench

    = a) While=20 waiting what was the worst thing to have happen?

    =     Having=20 the sprinkler turned on

    = b) What has=20 been the best thing?

    =     found a=20 quarter

16) Do you = practice Cache in=20 Trash out?

    =     When=20 possible

17) Your own = question for=20 others?

        What=20 if you get caught by someone?

    =    =20
------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C249FD.D3829860-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 23 02:17:07 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (loran wilcox) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:17:07 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] survey of sorts... References: <001d01c24a0f$b006dd80$8410b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: <003f01c24a4b$2e024ae0$0400a8c0@one> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C24A10.8178B960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 1) How did you get introduced to Geo Caching? Wife found out about it from a friend in Texas. Went out that night and = bought a GPS and she has regretted it since. 2) How long have you been a Geo Cacher? July 2001 3) What is your present GPS'r? 315 a) What was your first GPS'r? same b) How many units have you owned? 1 c) What unit(s) would you recommend to new cachers? some thing simple like the 315 but then a built in topo map would be = nice =20 4) How long did it take to locate your first cache? Walked straight to it. 5) What has been your most memorable cache? Lost Ark a) Why? Went after it with other teams. 6) What has been your least favorite cache? Ones that have bad coordinates, and ones where the owner will not = respond. a) Why? All caches should be able to be found.. 7) What factors dictate which cache you go looking for? They exist. 8) How many other Geo Cachers have you met while on a caching hunt? Many 9) Has that meeting changed the way you cache? Caching is always better with other cachers. 10) When unable to locate a cache how long do you search? Forever a) How many attempts before logging a no-find? Depends on how soon I plan to retry. b) Do you contact the cache owner for help? Only when necessary. c) Do you ask other cachers for help?=20 When Owner will not respond. 11) When driving around are you tempted to go and look again at caches = you have found before? No. Been there done that. 12) What has been the best trinket in a cache? Moun10Bike geocoin non traveler. I got to keep it. 13) What has been the worst trinket in a cache? Ammo, lighters, and matches. 14) Do you leave a signature item? yes (Team Sand Dollar) a) Are you considering your own? =20 b) Who has the most notable? Moun10Bike Wanted to copy idea but the coins where too expensive = with me being out of a job. 15) When in a populated area waiting to retrieve a cache what things do = you do to pass the time? Wait, attempt or come back. a) While waiting what was the worst thing to have happen? Joined by 4 other teams while waiting to replace the cache. They = didn't get to search for the cache. b) What has been the best thing? Joined by 4 other teams while waiting to replace the cache. Got to = meet with other teams. 16) Do you practice Cache in Trash out? Sometimes 17) Your own question for others? Loran (Team Sand Dollar) ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C24A10.8178B960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

1) How did you get introduced to Geo=20 Caching?

Wife found out about it from a friend = in Texas.=20 Went out that night and bought a GPS and she has regretted it=20 since.

2) How long have you been a Geo=20 Cacher?

July 2001

3) What is your present = GPS'r?

315

    a) What was = your first=20 GPS'r?

     = same

    b) How many units have you owned?

    1

    c) What unit(s) = would you=20 recommend to new cachers?

    some thing simple = like the 315=20 but then a built in topo map would be nice



4) How long did it take to locate your = first=20 cache?

Walked straight to it.

5) What has been your most memorable=20 cache?

Lost Ark

    a) Why?

    Went after it with = other=20 teams.

6) What has been your least favorite=20 cache?

Ones that have bad coordinates, and = ones where the=20 owner will not respond.

    a) Why?

    All caches should be = able to be=20 found..

7) What factors dictate which cache you = go looking=20 for?

They exist.

8) How many other Geo Cachers have you = met while on=20 a caching hunt?

Many

9) Has that meeting changed the way you = cache?

Caching is always better with other=20 cachers.

10) When unable to locate a cache how = long do you=20 search?

Forever

    a) How many attempts = before=20 logging a no-find?

    Depends on how soon = I plan to=20 retry.

    b) Do you contact = the cache=20 owner for help?

    Only when=20 necessary.

    c) Do you ask other = cachers for=20 help?

    When Owner will not=20 respond.

11) When driving around are you tempted = to go and=20 look again at caches you have found before?

No. Been there done that.

12) What has been the best trinket in a = cache?

Moun10Bike geocoin non traveler. I got = to keep=20 it.

13) What has been the worst trinket in = a=20 cache?

Ammo, lighters, and = matches.

14) Do you leave a signature = item?

yes (Team Sand Dollar)

    a) Are you = considering your=20 own?



    b) Who has the most=20 notable?

     Moun10Bike = Wanted to copy=20 idea but the coins where too expensive with me being out of a = job.

15) When in a populated area waiting=20 to retrieve a cache what things do you do to pass the = time?

      Wait, = attempt or=20 come back.

    a) While waiting = what was the=20 worst thing to have happen?

    Joined by 4 other = teams while=20 waiting to replace the cache. They didn't get to search for the=20 cache.

    b) What has been the = best=20 thing?

    Joined by 4 other = teams while=20 waiting to replace the cache. Got to meet with other teams.

16) Do you practice Cache in Trash = out?

Sometimes

17) Your own question for = others?

Loran (Team Sand=20 Dollar)
------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C24A10.8178B960-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 23 02:56:39 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Chelby Geiss) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:56:39 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] survey of sorts... In-Reply-To: <001d01c24a0f$b006dd80$8410b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: --Apple-Mail-3-224591653 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > 1) How did you get introduced to Geo Caching? My husband decided we should look for a cache while on vacation. He=20 can't remember where he first heard about geocaching...might have been=20= slashdot??? > 2) How long have you been a Geo Cacher? April 2001 was our first. > 3) What is your present GPS'r? Mine is an eTrex. Kev has a 12 > =A0=A0=A0 a)=A0What was your first GPS'r? Kev's 12 was our first...we had to share...that didn't last long! > =A0=A0=A0 b) How many units have you owned? 2 > =A0=A0=A0 c) What unit(s) would you recommend to new cachers? I love my eTrex...very simple! But we use Kev's 12 (since it does=20 averaging) for hiding our caches. > 4) How long did it take to locate your first cache? At least on hour! We didn't have a compass...and there was SNOW!!!! > 5) What has been your most memorable cache? Our first! > =A0=A0=A0 a) Why? We were on vacation in New England, took us forever to find and we=20 learned A LOT! > 6) What has been your least favorite cache? Bass-Ackwards Cache! =A0=A0=A0 a) Why? Couldn't find it! Was very tiring and a bit dangerous! > 7) What factors dictate which cache you go looking for? The written description of the cache really clinches it for me...if it=20= sounds boring, I'm not as likely to try. > 8) How many other Geo Cachers have you met while on a caching hunt? Actually cache hunting (not including the evening at REI) 2 other teams > 9) Has that meeting changed the way you cache? Hmmmm...no, not really. > 10) When unable to locate a cache how long do you search? 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Question; should we contact Land Stewards is other parts of the state? If so, who might I contact in the Payson area? I am pretty new at this, but I will help if I can. Allyn Moore --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes --0-1364723746-1030075681=:80293 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
This whole thing seems like such a non-issue, but i know it is real to many people.    Question; should we contact Land Stewards is other parts of the state? If so, who might I contact in the Payson area? I am pretty new at this, but I will help if I can.

Allyn Moore

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Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes --0-1364723746-1030075681=:80293-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 23 04:31:44 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 00:31:44 EDT Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Survey Response Message-ID: --part1_f3.2000277c.2a9714b0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1) How did you get introduced to Geo Caching? I saw the movie Planet of the Apes and didn't understand the ending so I went to the movie website to research. I found that the producers were hosting a geocache game promoting the movie. That led me to Jeremy's site and the rest is history! I was hooked! 2) How long have you been a Geo Cacher? About a year 3) What is your present GPS'r? I have a Garmin Emap and Magellan 315 a) What was your first GPS'r? Emap b) How many units have you owned? 2 c) What unit(s) would you recommend to new cachers? Depends on budget, both my GPS' work fine 4) How long did it take to locate your first cache? It was Canal Cache and it took about 10 minutes. 5) What has been your most memorable cache?a) Why? I can't say, there have all have something special in their own way. I'd have to go through them all and tell you each special memory. 6) What has been your least favorite cache?a) Why? I don't have one. 7) What factors dictate which cache you go looking for? Sweltering heat, ability for kids to handle, closeness to my abode. Also, I like mental challenges so I like puzzle caches. 8) How many other Geo Cachers have you met while on a caching hunt? I met one face to face (a cacher who I never see logs on) and from a distance I met another (Scott from Roping the Wind) 9) Has that meeting changed the way you cache? No 10) When unable to locate a cache how long do you search? 30 minutes or so a) How many attempts before logging a no-find? If I know that I know where the cache is but can't find it because of spies or sticker bushes or complaining children or darkness or whatever, I don't log a no-find. If I truly cannot find it I would log a no-find after the first hunt. b) Do you contact the cache owner for help? Yes I have c) Do you ask other cachers for help? I would, but haven't yet 11) When driving around are you tempted to go and look again at caches you have found before? Sometimes. I actually did take different kids out to a cache behind our house because it was so fun. 12) What has been the best trinket in a cache? Since I'm never the first to find most trinkets are average. I don't hunt for that reason. 13) What has been the worst trinket in a cache? See above 14) Do you leave a signature item? I usually leave a geocaching pin I made up, sometimes a patriotic button I made because of 9-11 a) Are you considering your own? b) Who has the most notable? The Sand Dollar has been a favorite and is meaningful 15) When in a populated area waiting to retrieve a cache what things do you do to pass the time? Wander around furtively! Look at other things in the area. a) While waiting what was the worst thing to have happen? A child got a Jumping Cholla stuck to his leg. b) What has been the best thing? I figured out where the cache was! 16) Do you practice Cache in Trash out? Yes 17) Your own question for others? How the heck do so many of you find soooooo many caches? I know you work for money, so where do you find the time? Jeanene Team Javamobo --part1_f3.2000277c.2a9714b0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1) How did you get introduced to Geo Caching? I saw the movie Planet of the Apes and didn't understand the ending so I went to the movie website to research. I found that the producers were hosting a geocache game promoting the movie. That led me to Jeremy's site and the rest is history! I was hooked!

2) How long have you been a Geo Cacher? About a year

3) What is your present GPS'r? I have a Garmin Emap and Magellan 315
a) What was your first GPS'r? Emap
b) How many units have you owned? 2
c) What unit(s) would you recommend to new cachers? Depends on budget, both my GPS' work fine

4) How long did it take to locate your first cache? It was Canal Cache and it took about 10 minutes.

5) What has been your most memorable cache?a) Why? I can't say, there have all have something special in their own way. I'd have to go through them all and tell you each special memory.

6) What has been your least favorite cache?a) Why?   I don't have one.

7) What factors dictate which cache you go looking for? Sweltering heat, ability for kids to handle, closeness to my abode. Also, I like mental challenges so I like puzzle caches.

8) How many other Geo Cachers have you met while on a caching hunt? I met one face to face (a cacher who I never see logs on) and from a distance I met another (Scott from Roping the Wind)

9) Has that meeting changed the way you cache? No

10) When unable to locate a cache how long do you search? 30 minutes or so
a) How many attempts before logging a no-find? If I know that I know where the cache is but can't find it because of spies or sticker bushes or complaining children or darkness or whatever, I don't log a no-find. If I truly cannot find it I would log a no-find after the first hunt.
b) Do you contact the cache owner for help? Yes I have
c) Do you ask other cachers for help? I would, but haven't yet

11) When driving around are you tempted to go and look again at caches you have found before? Sometimes. I actually did take different kids out to a cache behind our house because it was so fun.

12) What has been the best trinket in a cache? Since I'm never the first to find most trinkets are average. I don't hunt for that reason.

13) What has been the worst trinket in a cache? See above

14) Do you leave a signature item? I usually leave a geocaching pin I made up, sometimes a patriotic button I made because of 9-11
a) Are you considering your own?
b) Who has the most notable? The Sand Dollar has been a favorite and is meaningful

15) When in a populated area waiting to retrieve a cache what things do you do to pass the time? Wander around furtively! Look at other things in the area.
a) While waiting what was the worst thing to have happen? A child got a Jumping Cholla stuck to his leg.
b) What has been the best thing? I figured out where the cache was!

16) Do you practice Cache in Trash out? Yes

17) Your own question for others? How the heck do so many of you find soooooo many caches? I know you work for money, so where do you find the time?

Jeanene
Team Javamobo

--part1_f3.2000277c.2a9714b0_boundary-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 23 03:15:55 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team A.I.) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:15:55 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) Message-ID: <002001c24a53$655622c0$1900a8c0@FBIDaemon> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C24A18.B8C98400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [quote]I personally don't get any papers or watch the news. I think that = the media is destroying us little by little. They control exactly what we here and tend to like to hop onto trends like all the kidnappings that are going on would have you believe that the world seems to be coming to an end and nobody is safe anywhere, but in reality kidnaping are actually down quite a bit this year and it's just the medias latest pet story. [/quote] I completely agree with the media destruction theory. I work in law = enforcement, and see situations I've worked (in radio) completely = skewered beyond understanding by the local media. It's amazing just how = much they make up, or spin based on EXTREMELY limited information they = may find themselves privy to. As for kidnappings, you are also right. = Sadly, the media didn't pick up on this with full steam until a rich = white girl was kidnapped. The first 'big' kidnapping was a black girl = from a lower-income area back east (I believe). The moment the white = girl was taken, all media spotlights repositioned. In fact, I even = participated in a NAWAS conference call regarding the girl that was = taken from Riverside, CA and found in NV. Occasionally teletypes come = in regarding 'missing involuntary' or 'kidnapping', but nowhere near the = scale the media portrays. And with that, I'm done. This is a listserv about geocaching, and not = the joke we call media. :) Brian Team A.I. I haven't lost my mind. It's backed up on disk somewhere. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C24A18.B8C98400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
[quote]I=20 personally don't get any papers or watch the news. I think that = the
media is=20 destroying us little by little. They control exactly what = we
here and=20 tend to like to hop onto trends like all the kidnappings that
are = going on=20 would have you believe that the world seems to be coming to
an end = and nobody=20 is safe anywhere, but in reality kidnaping are
actually down quite a = bit this=20 year and it's just the medias latest=20 pet
story.
[/quote]

I completely agree with the media = destruction=20 theory. I work in law enforcement, and see situations I've worked = (in=20 radio) completely skewered beyond understanding by the local = media. It's=20 amazing just how much they make up, or spin based on EXTREMELY limited=20 information they may find themselves privy to. As for kidnappings, = you are=20 also right. Sadly, the media didn't pick up on this with full = steam until=20 a rich white girl was kidnapped. The first 'big' kidnapping was a = black=20 girl from a lower-income area back east (I believe). The moment = the white=20 girl was taken, all media spotlights repositioned. In fact, I even = participated in a NAWAS conference call regarding the girl that was = taken from=20 Riverside, CA and found in NV. Occasionally teletypes come in = regarding=20 'missing involuntary' or 'kidnapping', but nowhere near the scale the = media=20 portrays.

And with that, I'm done. This is = a listserv=20 about geocaching, and not the joke we call media. :)

Brian

Team A.I.

I haven't lost my mind. It's = backed up on=20 disk somewhere.
------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C24A18.B8C98400-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 23 03:50:45 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team A.I.) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:50:45 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) Message-ID: <003901c24a58$42934380$1900a8c0@FBIDaemon> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C24A1D.96051E20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 1) How did you get introduced to Geo Caching? -Wife saw an article on Fox10 about 'treasure hunting', and I = thought it sounded extremely fun. Ran out the door 10 minutes later = with my GPS and first cache info. 2) How long have you been a Geo Cacher? - 8/23/02 will be one year 3) What is your present GPS'r? -Garmin GPS III (Mr. A) / GPS V (Mr. I) =20 a) What was your first GPS'r? -Magellan GPS Pioneer b) How many units have you owned? -2 c) What unit(s) would you recommend to new cachers? -Garmin eTrex probably 4) How long did it take to locate your first cache? - ~15-20 min 5) What has been your most memorable cache? -Geocache by Dan Rich a) Why? -The scenery was spectacular 6) What has been your least favorite cache? -King Usery's Treasure a) Why? -First of all, because I didn't find it. Second, because of = circumstances in the cache area. Weather started moving in, and wind = from over the mountain almost blew me off my feet. You couldn't see the = clouds until you were at the top. 7) What factors dictate which cache you go looking for? -Time/weather conditions/distance. Depending on what I'm doing, = I'll try to hit a number in the area I'm going. There hasn't been a lot = of time to jump across town/state to hit many more, but I'm working on = changing that. 8) How many other Geo Cachers have you met while on a caching hunt? -None...yet 9) Has that meeting changed the way you cache? ? 10) When unable to locate a cache how long do you search? -depends. 20-30min has been the standard time frame. a) How many attempts before logging a no-find? -depends on how quickly I can go back for it. =20 b) Do you contact the cache owner for help? -Yes. c) Do you ask other cachers for help?=3D20 -Haven't yet, but that's a great idea. 11) When driving around are you tempted to go and look again at caches = =3D you have found before? -Yeah, and sometime I'll start doing that. Have too many caches = around that I need to visit before getting all nostalgic. :) 12) What has been the best trinket in a cache? -a geocoin. =20 13) What has been the worst trinket in a cache? -AMMUNITION. It simply doesn't belong in a cache, unless it is = inert. 14) Do you leave a signature item? -in development a) Are you considering your own? -yes, but I haven't decided what yet. My teammate and I have a = great idea for a signature item, and believe it will be VERY well = received by the entire AZ geocaching community. b) Who has the most notable? -I loved Chester, but I think the Wyle operatives have been my most = memorable so far. 15) When in a populated area waiting to retrieve a cache what things do = =3D you do to pass the time? -try to inconspicously locate the cache without giving away my = intentions or the cache location. a) While waiting what was the worst thing to have happen? -Felt like I've drawn too much attention to myself and felt = uncomfortable with everyone taking a renewed interest in my presence. = :) b) What has been the best thing? -hasn't really been a 'best' thing. 16) Do you practice Cache in Trash out? -if I remember my backpack from the truck, absolutely. 17) Your own question for others? -Can't think of anything atm. Brian (Mr. "A") of Team A.I. I haven't lost my mind. It's backed up on disk somewhere. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C24A1D.96051E20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
1) How did you=20 get introduced to Geo Caching?

    -Wife saw an article on Fox10 about = 'treasure=20 hunting', and I thought it sounded extremely fun. Ran out the door = 10=20 minutes later with my GPS and first cache info.
2) How long have you = been a=20 Geo Cacher?

    - 8/23/02 will be one year
3) What is = your present=20 GPS'r?

    -Garmin GPS III (Mr. A) / GPS V (Mr.=20 I)
    a) What was your first=20 GPS'r?

    -Magellan GPS = Pioneer
    b)=20 How many units have you owned?

    -2
    c) What unit(s) = would you=20 recommend to new cachers?

    -Garmin eTrex probably
4) How long did it = take to=20 locate your first cache?

    - ~15-20 min
5) What has been your most = memorable=20 cache?
    -Geocache = by Dan=20 Rich

    a) Why?

    -The scenery=20 was spectacular
6) What has been your least favorite=20 cache?
    -King Usery's Treasure

    a) Why?

    -First of all, = because I didn't=20 find it. Second, because of circumstances in the cache area. = Weather=20 started moving in, and wind from over the mountain almost blew me off my = feet. You couldn't see the clouds     =    =20 until you were at the top.

7) What factors=20 dictate which cache you go looking for?

    -Time/weather = conditions/distance. =20 Depending on what I'm doing, I'll try to hit a number in the area I'm=20 going. There hasn't been a lot of time to jump across town/state = to hit=20 many more, but I'm working on        =20     changing that.
8) How many other Geo = Cachers have=20 you met while on a caching hunt?

    -None...yet
9) Has = that meeting=20 changed the way you cache?

    ?
10) When unable to = locate a=20 cache how long do you search?

    -depends. 20-30min has been the = standard=20 time frame.
    a) How many attempts before logging a=20 no-find?

    -depends on how quickly I = can go back=20 for it.
    b) Do you contact the cache = owner=20 for help?

    -Yes.
    c)=20 Do you ask other cachers for help?=3D20

    -Haven't yet, but that's a = great=20 idea.
11) When driving around are you tempted to go and look = again at=20 caches =3D
you have found before?

    -Yeah, and sometime I'll start = doing=20 that. Have too many caches around that I need to visit before = getting all=20 nostalgic. :)
12) What has been the best trinket in a=20 cache?

    -a geocoin. =
13) What has=20 been the worst trinket in a cache?

    -AMMUNITION. It simply = doesn't belong=20 in a cache, unless it is inert.
14) Do you leave a signature=20 item?

    -in=20 development
    a) Are you considering your=20 own?

    -yes, but I haven't = decided what=20 yet. My teammate and I have a great idea for a signature item, and = believe=20 it will be VERY well received by the entire AZ geocaching=20 community.
    b) Who has the most=20 notable?

    -I loved Chester, but I think = the Wyle=20 operatives have been my most memorable so far.
15) When in a = populated=20 area waiting to retrieve a cache what things do =3D
you do to pass = the=20 time?

    -try to inconspicously locate = the cache=20 without giving away my intentions or the cache=20 location.
    a) While waiting what was the = worst thing=20 to have happen?

    -Felt like I've drawn too = much=20 attention to myself and felt uncomfortable with everyone taking a = renewed=20 interest in my presence. :)
    b) What = has been=20 the best thing?

    -hasn't really been a 'best'=20 thing.
16) Do you practice Cache in Trash = out?

    -if I remember my backpack from the truck,=20 absolutely.
17) Your own question for others?
    -Can't think of = anything=20 atm.

Brian (Mr. "A")=20 of Team A.I.

I haven't lost my mind. It's = backed up on=20 disk somewhere.
------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C24A1D.96051E20-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 23 04:40:58 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Allyn Moore) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 21:40:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] survey of sorts... In-Reply-To: <001d01c24a0f$b006dd80$8410b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: <20020823044058.4593.qmail@web12401.mail.yahoo.com> --0-939076895-1030077658=:4245 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Here is my response to your survey - 1) How did you get introduced to Geo Caching? I ran into a member of Roping The Wind on the South Fork of Deer Creek. He told me about it.2) How long have you been a Geo Cacher? Just about 4 months.3) What is your present GPS'r? a) What was your first GPS'r? b) How many units have you owned? c) What unit(s) would you recommend to new cachers?I am using a Magellan Meridian, which is also my first and only unit. I really like the features, screens and flexibility of the Meridian, but I find it to be very termperature-sensitive. I have to warm it up on cooler mornings, and have to be careful it does not get too hot in the afternoons. Another drawback; the instructions and manual are very poor. Had I not had a background in engineering and surveying, I doubt I could have ever figured it out.4) How long did it take to locate your first cache?My first one, Narrows by Team Hazy, was done without a GPSr, because I knew the area, had not yet bought a GPSr, and the site was well described. It took about 15 minutes after I arrived on site. 5) What has been your most memorable cache? a) Why?Probably Pine Trailhead, a multi-cache by CBX2. It is in an area and along trails that I enjoy. 6) What has been your least favorite cache? a) Why?Probably Bear Canyon Vista, because it took 3 trips there to find it, and learned that the initial coordinates contained errors. Still, I should have found it sooner than I did.7) What factors dictate which cache you go looking for?Weather, mostly. I go north in hot weather, and work further south when it gets cooler. I look for those that have decent access roads, and those that have hikes not longer that a mile or two.8) How many other Geo Cachers have you met while on a caching hunt?Only three teams so far. (It is lonesome up here in Payson)9) Has that meeting changed the way you cache?No10) When unable to locate a cache how long do you search?About 30 to 45 minutes each attempt. I may make multiple trips to try to find it. a) How many attempts before logging a no-find?It varies; 2 to 4. b) Do you contact the cache owner for help?I haven't, but maybe I should. c) Do you ask other cachers for help? I would if I encountered any. As I said, it is lonesome up here in Payson.11) When driving around are you tempted to go and look again at caches you have found before?Oh, yes. It is a nice break to visit a place I enjoyed before.12) What has been the best trinket in a cache?To tell the truth, I often do not even look. I go for the fun of the hunt.13) What has been the worst trinket in a cache?Same answer as for 12.14) Do you leave a signature item? a) Are you considering your own? b) Who has the most notable?Don't have one. I will have to give this some thought. I ahve not found enought caches yet to understand what others are using.15) When in a populated area waiting to retrieve a cache what things do you do to pass the time? a) While waiting what was the worst thing to have happen? b) What has been the best thing?Have not worked in populated areas much yet. I did set one in a public park the other day, though (Payson - Rocket Ship). I just waited at the library until the area was generally clear of people.16) Do you practice Cache in Trash out?This has not been an issue at the caches I have visited so far, but I certainly will.17) Your own question for others? --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes --0-939076895-1030077658=:4245 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Here is my response to your survey -

1) How did you get introduced to Geo Caching?

I ran into a member of Roping The Wind on the South Fork of Deer Creek. He told me about it.

2) How long have you been a Geo Cacher?

Just about 4 months.

3) What is your present GPS'r?

    a) What was your first GPS'r?
    b) How many units have you owned?

    c) What unit(s) would you recommend to new cachers?

I am using a Magellan Meridian, which is also my first and only unit. I really like the features, screens and flexibility of the Meridian, but I find it to be very termperature-sensitive. I have to warm it up on cooler mornings, and have to be careful it does not get too hot in the afternoons. Another drawback; the instructions and manual are very poor. Had I not had a background in engineering and surveying, I doubt I could have ever figured it out.

4) How long did it take to locate your first cache?

My first one, Narrows by Team Hazy, was done without a GPSr, because I knew the area, had not yet bought a GPSr, and the site was well described. It took about 15 minutes after I arrived on site.

5) What has been your most memorable cache? a) Why?

Probably Pine Trailhead, a multi-cache by CBX2. It is in an area and along trails that I enjoy.

6) What has been your least favorite cache?    a) Why?

Probably Bear Canyon Vista, because it took 3 trips there to find it, and learned that the initial coordinates contained errors.   Still, I should have found it sooner than I did.

7) What factors dictate which cache you go looking for?

Weather, mostly. I go north in hot weather, and work further south when it gets cooler. I look for those that have decent access roads, and those that have hikes not longer that a mile or two.

8) How many other Geo Cachers have you met while on a caching hunt?

Only three teams so far. (It is lonesome up here in Payson)

9) Has that meeting changed the way you cache?

No

10) When unable to locate a cache how long do you search?

About 30 to 45 minutes each attempt. I may make multiple trips to try to find it.

    a) How many attempts before logging a no-find?

It varies; 2 to 4.

    b) Do you contact the cache owner for help?

I haven't, but maybe I should.

    c) Do you ask other cachers for help?

I would if I encountered any. As I said, it is lonesome up here in Payson.

11) When driving around are you tempted to go and look again at caches you have found before?

Oh, yes. It is a nice break to visit a place I enjoyed before.

12) What has been the best trinket in a cache?

To tell the truth, I often do not even look. I go for the fun of the hunt.

13) What has been the worst trinket in a cache?

Same answer as for 12.

14) Do you leave a signature item?

    a) Are you considering your own?

    b) Who has the most notable?

Don't have one. I will have to give this some thought. I ahve not found enought caches yet to understand what others are using.

15) When in a populated area waiting to retrieve a cache what things do you do to pass the time?

    a) While waiting what was the worst thing to have happen?

    b) What has been the best thing?

Have not worked in populated areas much yet. I did set one in a public park the other day, though (Payson - Rocket Ship). I just waited at the library until the area was generally clear of people.

16) Do you practice Cache in Trash out?

This has not been an issue at the caches I have visited so far, but I certainly will.

17) Your own question for others?

Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes --0-939076895-1030077658=:4245-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 23 04:42:27 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 21:42:27 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] survey of sorts... In-Reply-To: <001d01c24a0f$b006dd80$8410b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: <002801c24a5f$8278f970$026fa8c0@OUR> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C24A24.D61A2170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1) How did you get introduced to Geo Caching? For the life of me, I have never been able to remember. I read about it somewhere and thought, "This looks interesting..." 2) How long have you been a Geo Cacher? We attempted to find our first cache on August 31, 2001. 3) What is your present GPS'r? Garmin GPSMap 76S : a) What was your first GPS'r? Garmin Etrex Vista b) How many units have you owned? Two c) What unit(s) would you recommend to new cachers? I'd recommend they read the information at the Mehaffey web site (http://joe.mehaffey.com) and decide for themselves. 4) How long did it take to locate your first cache? Two months. Seriously. We tried to find three different caches, each about a month apart, before we were successful. 5) What has been your most memorable cache? Decline to answer! a) Why? Just one? NO WAY! I could reel off a half-dozen without stopping for breath, each memorable in its own way. 6) What has been your least favorite cache? Probably the ones in Florida that we tried and, with one exception, failed to find. a) Why? Because they were all BURIED! 7) What factors dictate which cache you go looking for? Mostly, it's the quantity and type of controlled substances ingested before deciding. 8) How many other Geo Cachers have you met while on a caching hunt? Four that I can remember, not counting the whole bunch of folks we met at the "West of the Pecos" denouement. 9) Has that meeting changed the way you cache? Yeah, I've had to quit introducing myself as Bob Renner. 10) When unable to locate a cache how long do you search? DEPENDS a) How many attempts before logging a no-find? DEPENDS b) Do you contact the cache owner for help? DEPENDS c) Do you ask other cachers for help? DEPENDS 11) When driving around are you tempted to go and look again at caches you have found before? Not without a specific reason (e.g.: Dropping a TB). 12) What has been the best trinket in a cache? Probably the 2-CD set of Haydn string quartets and symphonies I snagged recently at Hillside Haven. 13) What has been the worst trinket in a cache? FOOD! 14) Do you leave a signature item? No a) Are you considering your own? No b) Who has the most notable? Loran 15) When in a populated area waiting to retrieve a cache what things do you do to pass the time? Go find another cache to do, then come back. a) While waiting what was the worst thing to have happen? I got even older! b) What has been the best thing? Meeting Team AzComet 16) Do you practice Cache in Trash out? Not as often as we could, but we often do. 17) Your own question for others? What's the one piece of advice you'd want to give to every Neocacher, so they wouldn't have to learn it the hard way? ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C24A24.D61A2170 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
1) How did you get introduced to = Geo=20 Caching?

For the life of me, I have never been able to = remember. I=20 read about it somewhere and thought, "This looks = interesting..."

2) How long have you been a Geo Cacher?

We = attempted=20 to find our first cache on August 31, 2001.

3) What=20 is your present GPS'r?

Garmin GPSMap 76S

:   a) What was your first = GPS'r?
Garmin=20 Etrex Vista
    b) How many = units have you=20 owned?
Two
    c) What = unit(s)=20 would you recommend to new cachers?
I'd recommend they read = the=20 information at the Mehaffey web site (http://joe.mehaffey.com) and decide = for=20 themselves.

4) How long did it take to = locate your=20 first cache?

Two months. Seriously. We tried to find three = different caches, each about a month apart, before we were=20 successful.

5) What has been your most = memorable=20 cache?

Decline to answer!

    a) Why?

Just one? NO = WAY! I could=20 reel off a half-dozen without stopping for breath, each memorable in its = own=20 way.

6) What has been your least favorite=20 cache?

Probably the ones in Florida that we tried and, = with one=20 exception, failed to find.

    a)=20 Why?
Because they were all BURIED!

7) What=20 factors dictate which cache you go looking for?

Mostly, = it's the=20 quantity and type of controlled substances ingested before=20 deciding.

8) How many other Geo Cachers = have you met=20 while on a caching hunt?

Four that I can remember, not = counting=20 the whole bunch of folks we met at the "West of the Pecos"=20 denouement.

9) Has that meeting changed the = way you=20 cache?

Yeah, I've had to quit introducing myself as Bob=20 Renner.

10) When unable to locate a cache = how long do=20 you search? DEPENDS
    = a) How many=20 attempts before logging a no-find? =20 DEPENDS
    b) Do you contact = the cache=20 owner for help? DEPENDS
   =20 c) Do you ask other cachers for help? DEPENDS

11) When driving around are you tempted to go and look = again at=20 caches you have found before?

Not without a specific = reason (e.g.:=20 Dropping a TB).

12) What has been the best = trinket in=20 a cache?

Probably the 2-CD set of Haydn string quartets = and=20 symphonies I snagged recently at Hillside Haven.

13)=20 What has been the worst trinket in a=20 cache?

FOOD!

14) Do you = leave a=20 signature item? No
    a) = Are you=20 considering your own? No
    b) Who=20 has the most notable? Loran

15) When = in a=20 populated area waiting to retrieve a cache what things do you do to pass = the=20 time?

Go find another cache to do, then come = back.

    a) While waiting what was the worst = thing to=20 have happen?
I got even older!
    b) What has been the best=20 thing?
Meeting Team AzComet

16) = Do you=20 practice Cache in Trash out?

Not as often as we could, but = we=20 often do.

17) Your own question for=20 others?

What's the one piece of advice you'd want to give to = every=20 Neocacher, so they wouldn't have to learn it the hard=20 way?
------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C24A24.D61A2170-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 23 04:49:42 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 21:49:42 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Survey Response In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003301c24a60$7f6f4670$026fa8c0@OUR> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C24A25.D3106E70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 17) Your own question for others? How the heck do so many of you find soooooo many caches? I know you work for money, so where do you find the time? My cache count is about the ONLY consolation I have for my extended unemployment! :-( Larry ("Wyle E") works, but their dog Ginger is the one who really finds all the caches for their team, so he doesn't need to be there. Steve Team Tierra Buena ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C24A25.D3106E70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
17) Your own = question for=20 others? How the heck do so many of = you find=20 soooooo many caches? = I know you work for money, so where do you find the = time?

My = cache count=20 is about the ONLY consolation I have for my extended unemployment!=20 :-(

Larry ("Wyle E")=20 works, but their dog Ginger is the one who really finds all the caches = for their=20 team, so he doesn't need to be there.

Steve

Team Tierra=20 Buena
------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C24A25.D3106E70-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 23 05:20:42 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bob Renner) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:20:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] survey of sorts... In-Reply-To: <002801c24a5f$8278f970$026fa8c0@OUR> Message-ID: <20020823052042.97093.qmail@web40408.mail.yahoo.com> I was wondering why people I met on cache hunts kept saying, "You look a lot more handsome than the last time I met you." The real Bob Renner --- Team Tierra Buena wrote: > > 9) Has that meeting changed the way you cache? > > Yeah, I've had to quit introducing myself as Bob > Renner. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 23 05:39:23 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bob Renner) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:39:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] survey of sorts... In-Reply-To: <001d01c24a0f$b006dd80$8410b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: <20020823053923.39001.qmail@web40403.mail.yahoo.com> > 1) How did you get introduced to Geo Caching? I read about it on sci.geo.satellite-nav > 2) How long have you been a Geo Cacher? Since 9-17-2000 > 3) What is your present GPS'r? e-Trex Legend > a) What was your first GPS'r? Garmin GPS-38 > b) How many units have you owned? 2 > c) What unit(s) would you recommend to new > cachers? Personal preference is Garmin > 4) How long did it take to locate your first cache? About an hour hike in and walked right up to it. > 5) What has been your most memorable cache? Bronco Butte > a) Why? A great hike with some other cachers to a cache that most pepple thought was impossible to hike to. > 6) What has been your least favorite cache? A few of the urban caches that I would describe as "Me too caches". > a) Why? They don't have a reason for being there. > 7) What factors dictate which cache you go looking > for? If it sounds like an interesting place where I haven't been before, or if it's close to home or work. > 8) How many other Geo Cachers have you met while on > a caching hunt? Maybe 4 or 5 other groups (Not counting the Happy Hours and Picnics. > 9) Has that meeting changed the way you cache? No. > 10) When unable to locate a cache how long do you > search? 30-40 minutes. > a) How many attempts before logging a no-find? Generally on the first time I actually look. > b) Do you contact the cache owner for help? Yes. > c) Do you ask other cachers for help? Not yet. > 11) When driving around are you tempted to go and > look again at caches you have found before? No > 12) What has been the best trinket in a cache? Kermit the Frog Travel Bug before Travel Bugs were "Official". > 13) What has been the worst trinket in a cache? A saline I.V. bag and needle. > 14) Do you leave a signature item? Not really - I have a happy face stamp for the log book. > a) Are you considering your own? No > b) Who has the most notable? Probably the Sand Dollars > 15) When in a populated area waiting to retrieve a > cache what things do you do to pass the time? I take a clip board with the cache sheet and pretend to be officially inspecting the area. > a) While waiting what was the worst thing to > have happen? N.A. > b) What has been the best thing? N.A. > 16) Do you practice Cache in Trash out? Yes > 17) Your own question for others? > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 22 23:47:52 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: 22 Aug 2002 16:47:52 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] survey of sorts... In-Reply-To: <20020823052042.97093.qmail@web40408.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020823052042.97093.qmail@web40408.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1030060077.706.2.camel@snaptop> Sounds like we need an Eminem parody song. "The real Bob Renner" Brian Cluff Team Snaptek On Thu, 2002-08-22 at 22:20, Bob Renner wrote: > I was wondering why people I met on cache hunts kept > saying, "You look a lot more handsome than the last > time I met you." > > The real Bob Renner > > > --- Team Tierra Buena > wrote: > > > > 9) Has that meeting changed the way you cache? > > > > Yeah, I've had to quit introducing myself as Bob > > Renner. > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 23 12:15:04 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Eric Quinn) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 05:15:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] survey of sorts... In-Reply-To: <001d01c24a0f$b006dd80$8410b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: <20020823121504.48922.qmail@web13101.mail.yahoo.com> 1) How did you get introduced to Geo Caching? A: I was on a business trip and saw an article in the USA today. 2) How long have you been a Geo Cacher? A: Since August 2001 3) What is your present GPS'r? A: etrex a) What was your first GPS'r? A: etrex b) How many units have you owned? A: 1, but my wife has been pushing for a second. c) What unit(s) would you recommend to new cachers? A: The etrex works well as an entry level unit. 4) How long did it take to locate your first cache? A: 5 minutes (Canal Cache) 5) What has been your most memorable cache? A: A Grand Undertaking a) Why? A: It was the first time we did a puzzle based multi. 6) What has been your least favorite cache? A: Any by Gafs in Singapore a) Why? A: The guy started as an okay hider but now prefers to be lazy and make a new cache when one goes missing, which they often do. 7) What factors dictate which cache you go looking for? A: Mood. 1/1s are okay but I prefer more clever ones. The ones farther away need to have some unique quality before I go looking for them. 8) How many other Geo Cachers have you met while on a caching hunt? A: Outside the picnic last year, three teams. 9) Has that meeting changed the way you cache? A: No 10) When unable to locate a cache how long do you search? A: 15-30 minutes depending on the area a) How many attempts before logging a no-find? A: If there haven't been other finds recently, 1. b) Do you contact the cache owner for help? A: I'm not proud. c) Do you ask other cachers for help? A: Haven't had to but I suppose so. 11) When driving around are you tempted to go and look again at caches you have found before? A: I will check on a cache that people often complain is missing when it isn't, like Sparky's, when I'm in the area. 12) What has been the best trinket in a cache? A: Anything personal or handmade. I generally don't pay much attention to the loot though. 13) What has been the worst trinket in a cache? A: Old golfball 14) Do you leave a signature item? A: No a) Are you considering your own? A: Yes, I just need to get back to the supplier. b) Who has the most notable? A: Loran 15) When in a populated area waiting to retrieve a cache what things do you do to pass the time? A: Sit and complain about all the people present. a) While waiting what was the worst thing to have happen? A: Nothing special b) What has been the best thing? A: Nothing special 16) Do you practice Cache in Trash out? A: Sometimes 17s What's the one piece of advice you'd want to give to every Neocacher, so they wouldn't have to learn it the hard way? A: Hunt a few 1/1s before doing anythign else. Hunt at least 5, 10 if you're in Phoenix or Tucson, before hiding one. What if you get caught by someone? A: If alone, I will pretent my GPS is a cell phone or light meter if people look suspicious. How the heck do so many of you find soooooo many caches? I know you work for money, so where do you find the time? A: Some of us are unemployed but it's just a matter of saying "I want to go caching this weekend / evening". Priorities. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 23 13:25:26 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Farquhar, Larry) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:25:26 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Survey Response Message-ID: <5EDEA14A2792394EA7D482E702C4C6DB022546DA@ipnismtp1.ipni.com> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C24AA8.8AC5DFA0 Content-Type: text/plain Team "Wyle E" reporting in.... 1) How did you get introduced to Geo Caching? [LF] A friend in my Jeep club told me about Geocaching and gave me the web site address. 2) How long have you been a Geo Cacher? [LF] Since May, 2001 3) What is your present GPS'r? [LF] Primarily a Garmin GPS V a) What was your first GPS'r? [LF] DeLorme TripMate attached to my laptop b) How many units have you owned? [LF] 5 c) What unit(s) would you recommend to new cachers? [LF] Garmin - model depends on their budget and desired features. 4) How long did it take to locate your first cache? [LF] 10 minutes after reaching the location. 5) What has been your most memorable cache?a) Why? [LF] GC465 - Nuuana Nest Egg cache in Hawaii. Beautiful hike in the rain, past waterfalls, 1000' elevation gain to the top of a mountain with gorgeous views of Oahu, slippery mud, lush vegetation, got soaking wet. But there's about another 200 memorable caches in Arizona. 6) What has been your least favorite cache?a) Why? [LF] Locationless caches. 7) What factors dictate which cache you go looking for? [LF] How much time I have available, weather, and locations with scenic or historic value. 8) How many other Geo Cachers have you met while on a caching hunt? [LF] Probably around a dozen. 9) Has that meeting changed the way you cache? [LF] No 10) When unable to locate a cache how long do you search? [LF] Depends on where it's at. At remote locations, I may spend 30 - 45 minutes searching. At urban locations, less than 10 minutes. a) How many attempts before logging a no-find? [LF] One b) Do you contact the cache owner for help? [LF] Sometimes - depending on the cache. c) Do you ask other cachers for help? [LF] Sometimes - depending on the cache (how many remember the Rat's Nest cache?) 11) When driving around are you tempted to go and look again at caches you have found before? [LF] If it was reported missing and it's easy to get to, I'll stop by if I'm near it. 12) What has been the best trinket in a cache? [LF] Various items - but ice cream gift certificates are great in the summer! 13) What has been the worst trinket in a cache? [LF] AOL cd's - IV bag - matches - bullets - porno magazine - trash - cigarettes - commercial advertisements 14) Do you leave a signature item? [LF] Not anymore - we cleaned out our source for our "Wyle E" operatives a) Are you considering your own?[LF] If I find the right item b) Who has the most notable? [LF] Team Sand Dollar 15) When in a populated area waiting to retrieve a cache what things do you do to pass the time? [LF] Sit and relax a) While waiting what was the worst thing to have happen? [LF] N/A b) What has been the best thing? [LF] Met another Geocacher 16) Do you practice Cache in Trash out? [LF] Usually - depends on the cache location. [LF] Obviously, we greatly enjoy this game. We've been slow and steady in locating caches. A couple urban caches on the way home from work is real relaxing to me, then an adventourous weekend to the more remotely scenic and historic caches. During the week, planning for the weekend adventure is half the fun and gives me something to look forward to. Of course, having our dog GIDGET (not Ginger) scouting out the cache locations ahead of time makes finding them easier. I've tried teaching her how to fill in the cahce log book, but she hasn't mastered that task yet. :) Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01C24AA8.8AC5DFA0 Content-Type: text/html Message
Team "Wyle E" reporting in....

1) How did you get introduced to Geo Caching? [LF] A friend in my Jeep club told me about Geocaching and gave me the web site address.

2) How long have you been a Geo Cacher? [LF] Since May, 2001

3) What is your present GPS'r? [LF] Primarily a Garmin GPS V

a) What was your first GPS'r? [LF] DeLorme TripMate attached to my laptop
b) How many units have you owned? [LF] 5
c) What unit(s) would you recommend to new cachers? [LF] Garmin - model depends on their budget and desired features.

4) How long did it take to locate your first cache? [LF] 10 minutes after reaching the location.

5) What has been your most memorable cache?a) Why? [LF] GC465 - Nuuana Nest Egg cache in Hawaii. Beautiful hike in the rain, past waterfalls, 1000' elevation gain to the top of a mountain with gorgeous views of Oahu, slippery mud, lush vegetation, got soaking wet. But there's about another 200 memorable caches in Arizona.

6) What has been your least favorite cache?a) Why?   [LF] Locationless caches.

7) What factors dictate which cache you go looking for? [LF] How much time I have available, weather, and locations with scenic or historic value.

8) How many other Geo Cachers have you met while on a caching hunt? [LF] Probably around a dozen.

9) Has that meeting changed the way you cache? [LF] No

10) When unable to locate a cache how long do you search? [LF] Depends on where it's at. At remote locations, I may spend 30 - 45 minutes searching. At urban locations, less than 10 minutes.

a) How many attempts before logging a no-find? [LF] One
b) Do you contact the cache owner for help? [LF] Sometimes - depending on the cache.
c) Do you ask other cachers for help? [LF] Sometimes - depending on the cache  (how many remember the Rat's Nest cache?)

11) When driving around are you tempted to go and look again at caches you have found before? [LF] If it was reported missing and it's easy to get to, I'll stop by if I'm near it.

12) What has been the best trinket in a cache? [LF] Various items - but ice cream gift certificates are great in the summer!

13) What has been the worst trinket in a cache? [LF] AOL cd's - IV bag - matches - bullets - porno magazine - trash - cigarettes - commercial advertisements

14) Do you leave a signature item? [LF] Not anymore - we cleaned out our source for our "Wyle E" operatives

a) Are you considering your own?[LF] If I find the right item
b) Who has the most notable? [LF] Team Sand Dollar

15) When in a populated area waiting to retrieve a cache what things do you do to pass the time? [LF] Sit and relax
a) While waiting what was the worst thing to have happen? [LF] N/A
b) What has been the best thing? [LF] Met another Geocacher

16) Do you practice Cache in Trash out? [LF] Usually - depends on the cache location.

[LF] Obviously, we greatly enjoy this game. We've been slow and steady in locating caches. A couple urban caches on the way home from work is real relaxing to me, then an adventourous weekend to the more remotely scenic and historic caches. During the week, planning for the weekend adventure is half the fun and gives me something to look forward to. Of course, having our dog GIDGET (not Ginger) scouting out the cache locations ahead of time makes finding them easier. I've tried teaching her how to fill in the cahce log book, but she hasn't mastered that task yet. :)

Larry Farquhar
Team "Wyle E"
www.happy-wanderers.com

------_=_NextPart_001_01C24AA8.8AC5DFA0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 23 14:44:31 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ford, Denny) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 07:44:31 -0700 Subject: FW: [AZ-Geocaching] survey of sorts... Message-ID: See below Tres Hombres replies -----Original Message----- From: Regan Smith [mailto:buggers@mindspring.com] Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 12:11 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] survey of sorts... Howdy After I take another statistics class I will put the results in some other useless form but until then I will just group the best or most popular answers together. Some questions are yes/no others are not keep answers concise as possible. 1) How did you get introduced to Geo Caching? By a friend 2) How long have you been a Geo Cacher? My first was in September of last year, but I really became a Geocacher at the beginning of this year. 3) What is your present GPS'r? Garmin Etrex a) What was your first GPS'r?Garmin Etrex b) How many units have you owned? 1 c) What unit(s) would you recommend to new cachers? Garmin, depending on Money available one with mapping capability 4) How long did it take to locate your first cache? Five Minutes 5) What has been your most memorable cache? RIP a) Why? It took me to see the Coke ovens 6) What has been your least favorite cache? Four of Seven a) Why? There was not trail, and the last bunch was bush whacking up hill on solid Scrub Oak 7) What factors dictate which cache you go looking for? If it is there 8) How many other Geo Cachers have you met while on a caching hunt? maybe 10-13 groups 9) Has that meeting changed the way you cache? Hints from some have 10) When unable to locate a cache how long do you search? I have searched for up to two hours a) How many attempts before logging a no-find? one, but then I will try try try again b) Do you contact the cache owner for help? After about 3 times of trying if need be. c) Do you ask other cachers for help? Yes 11) When driving around are you tempted to go and look again at caches you have found before? On occasion 12) What has been the best trinket in a cache? Ace Bandage, I twisted my knee on the hike and I needed it. 13) What has been the worst trinket in a cache? broken Sanddollar 14) Do you leave a signature item? No a) Are you considering your own? No b) Who has the most notable? Wyle E pocket coyote 15) When in a populated area waiting to retrieve a cache what things do you do to pass the time? Talk on the phone, or at least act like I am. a) While waiting what was the worst thing to have happen? ?? b) What has been the best thing? Met other cachers 16) Do you practice Cache in Trash out? usually 17) Your own question for others? From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 23 15:03:28 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Cody Brown) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:03:28 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] "Wyle E" on the rocks?? Message-ID: http://www.webtender.com/db/drink/4953 From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 23 15:12:42 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Farquhar, Larry) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:12:42 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] "Wyle E" on the rocks?? Message-ID: <5EDEA14A2792394EA7D482E702C4C6DB022546F7@ipnismtp1.ipni.com> "Wyle E" is always on the rocks - hunting down caches. But afterwards, this sounds good. Can't wait to try it out! :) Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com -----Original Message----- From: Cody Brown [mailto:Brown.Cody@orbital.com] Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 8:03 AM To: az-geocaching@listserv.snaptek.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] "Wyle E" on the rocks?? http://www.webtender.com/db/drink/4953 From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 23 15:59:14 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (WOLFB8) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:59:14 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] survey of sorts... References: <001d01c24a0f$b006dd80$8410b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: <01b301c24abe$4972d7e0$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01AB_01C24A83.5B032860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 1) How did you get introduced to Geo Caching? ------>a friend told me = about it 2) How long have you been a Geo Cacher?------> 1 year 5 days 3) What is your present GPS'r? ----->plus 3 a) What was your first GPS'r?-----> etrex b) How many units have you owned?---->3 c) What unit(s) would you recommend to new cachers?---> etrex 4) How long did it take to locate your first cache?-----10 minutes 5) What has been your most memorable cache?----> coyote 1 a) Why?the first place i had never been to 6) What has been your least favorite cache? ------>micro a) Why? most do not take a lot of thought to hide 7) What factors dictate which cache you go looking for?----> If I have = some one to cache with. 8) How many other Geo Cachers have you met while on a caching = hunt?------> lots 9) Has that meeting changed the way you cache?-----somewhat 10) When unable to locate a cache how long do you search? as long as = it takes a) How many attempts before logging a no-find?---->depend on why I = stopped looking b) Do you contact the cache owner for help?-----> yes c) Do you ask other cachers for help? ----> yes 11) When driving around are you tempted to go and look again at caches = you have found before?----> yes, I only that the cousin to caches I know = so they are sure to find=20 12) What has been the best trinket in a cache?---->a bandana signed by = the infamous Jermey 13) What has been the worst trinket in a cache?---->pot 14) Do you leave a signature item?-----> do my paint cans count a) Are you considering your own?----->geocaching music b) Who has the most notable? ----->I like snowpeoples snow = flake...they look great on the xmas tree. 15) When in a populated area waiting to retrieve a cache what things = do you do to pass the time? leave a) While waiting what was the worst thing to have happen?---> = still have not made it back b) What has been the best thing?-----> found a nother cach close = by 16) Do you practice Cache in Trash out?----->depends on method of = travel 17) Your own question for others?----->what the average amount of time = you spend on hiding a cache?????? ------=_NextPart_000_01AB_01C24A83.5B032860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

1) How did you get = introduced to Geo=20 Caching? ------>a friend told me about=20 it

2) How long have you = been a Geo=20 Cacher?------> 1 year 5 = days

3) What is your = present=20 GPS'r? ----->plus 3

    = a) What was=20 your first GPS'r?----->=20 etrex
    b) How many units have you = owned?---->3

    c) = What unit(s)=20 would you recommend to new cachers?--->=20 etrex

4) How long did it = take to locate=20 your first cache?-----10 = minutes

5) What has been your = most=20 memorable cache?----> coyote = 1

    a) = Why?the first place i had never been = to

6) What has been your = least=20 favorite cache? ------>micro

    a) = Why? most do not take a lot of thought to = hide

7) What factors = dictate which cache=20 you go looking for?----> If I have some one = to cache=20 with.

8) How many other Geo = Cachers have=20 you met while on a caching hunt?------>=20 lots

9) Has that meeting = changed the way=20 you cache?-----somewhat

10) When unable to = locate a cache=20 how long do you search? as long as it=20 takes

    a) = How many=20 attempts before logging a no-find?---->depend = on why I=20 stopped looking

    b) = Do you=20 contact the cache owner for help?----->=20 yes

    c) Do you=20 ask other cachers for help? ----> yes

11) When driving = around are you=20 tempted to go and look again at caches you have found before?----> yes, I only that the cousin to caches I = know so=20 they are sure to find

12) What has been the = best trinket=20 in a cache?---->a bandana signed by the = infamous=20 Jermey

13) What has been the = worst trinket=20 in a cache?---->pot

14) Do you leave a = signature=20 item?-----> do my paint cans = count

    a) Are you=20 considering your own?----->geocaching=20 music

    b) = Who has the=20 most notable? ----->I like snowpeoples snow=20 flake...they look great on the xmas tree.

15) When in a = populated area=20 waiting to retrieve a cache what things do you do to pass the = time? leave

    a) = While waiting=20 what was the worst thing to have happen?---> = still have=20 not made it back

    b) = What has been=20 the best thing?-----> found a nother cach = close=20 by

16) Do you = practice Cache in=20 Trash out?----->depends on method of=20 travel

17) Your own question = for=20 others?----->what the average amount of time = you spend=20 on hiding a cache??????
------=_NextPart_000_01AB_01C24A83.5B032860-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 23 15:55:00 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:55:00 EDT Subject: [Az-Geocaching] survey of sorts... Message-ID: <18e.cf34a4b.2a97b4d4@aol.com> --part1_18e.cf34a4b.2a97b4d4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1) How did you get introduced to Geo Caching? A: Last summer my uncle started caching and he took me with him. 2) How long have you been a Geo Cacher? > > A: As my own team since January 2002, with my uncle since June 2001 > > 3) What is your present GPS'r? > > A: etrex > > a) What was your first GPS'r? > A: etrex > > b) How many units have you owned? > A: 1 > > c) What unit(s) would you recommend to new > cachers? > A: Well, since I haven't used any other units yet I really can't say. > > 4) How long did it take to locate your first cache? > A: first cache with my uncle took about 5 mins after 20 min of > hiking(Dead Car), my solo first 5 mins (Canal Cache) > > 5) What has been your most memorable cache? > A: Tie: Peak and Easy and Diablo Point > > a) Why? > A: Peak and Easy was my first multistage nighttime cache. My uncle and > I were first there after he took a slide down the hill once or twice. All I > could see was the light of his flashlight bouncing and hear him > complaining. lol Diablo Point because of the big rattler sitting on top > of the cache. > > 6) What has been your least favorite cache? > A: > > a) Why? > A: > > 7) What factors dictate which cache you go looking > for? > A: Time. If I have time I'll do a long involved one, or a couple in a > row, otherwise it's where's the closest to where I am. > 8) How many other Geo Cachers have you met while on a > caching hunt? > A: 3 teams > > 9) Has that meeting changed the way you cache? > A: Nope > > 10) When unable to locate a cache how long do you > search? > A: 20min to an hr depending on the cache and if I'm really frustrated > or not. > > a) How many attempts before logging a no-find? > A: If i can get back the same day 2-3 but usually 2 > > b) Do you contact the cache owner for help? > A: Sure why not? > > c) Do you ask other cachers for help? > A: Tried once but they hadn't done the cache in question. > > 11) When driving around are you tempted to go and look > again at caches you have found before? > A: I've revisited caches if I'm in the area. > > 12) What has been the best trinket in a cache? > A: Cd's and Books. > > 13) What has been the worst trinket in a cache? > A: Broken happy meal toys and a dead slinky > > 14) Do you leave a signature item? > A: Nope > > a) Are you considering your own? > A: Not really > > b) Who has the most notable? > A: SandDollar and Ropinthewind > > 15) When in a populated area waiting to retrieve a > cache what things do you do to pass the time? > A: Sit, talk, and watch to see if anyone is a cacher. > > a) While waiting what was the worst thing to have > happen? > A: First stage to Neighborhood Park, first the fire department showed > up to check on a sleeping bum in the area(about 100ft from the cache) and > then every kid in the neighborhood showed up to play basketball. > > b) What has been the best thing? > A: Found $5 > > 16) Do you practice Cache in Trash out? > A: Yes > > 17s > What's the one piece of advice you'd want to give to > every Neocacher, so they wouldn't have to learn it the > hard way? > A: Read everything on the cache page, twice and print it and take it > with you. > > What if you get caught by someone? > A: Caught by a cacher or non cacher? If i'm caught by a cacher I'll > fess up right away. If I'm seen by a non-cacher I use the phone trick. > > How the heck do so many of you find soooooo many > caches? I know you work for money, so where do you > find the time? > A: I'll go for a few weeks without finding one and then have a string > of a bunch for a month or so, It's just like any other hobby, the amount > you find is equal to your free time and drive to get em. > --part1_18e.cf34a4b.2a97b4d4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1) How did you get introduced to Geo Caching?
    A: Last summer my uncle started caching and he took me with him.

2) How long have you been a Geo Cacher?

    A: As my own team since January 2002, with my uncle since June 2001

3) What is your present GPS'r?

    A: etrex

    a) What was your first GPS'r?
    A: etrex

    b) How many units have you owned?
    A: 1

    c) What unit(s) would you recommend to new
cachers?
    A: Well, since I haven't used any other units yet I really can't say.

4) How long did it take to locate your first cache?
    A: first cache with my uncle took about 5 mins after 20 min of hiking(Dead Car), my solo first 5 mins (Canal Cache)

5) What has been your most memorable cache?
    A: Tie: Peak and Easy and Diablo Point

    a) Why?
    A: Peak and Easy was my first multistage nighttime cache. My uncle and I were first there after he took a slide down the hill once or twice. All I could see was the light of his flashlight bouncing and hear him complaining. lol Diablo Point because of the big rattler sitting on top of the cache.

6) What has been your least favorite cache?
    A:

    a) Why?
    A:

7) What factors dictate which cache you go looking
for?
    A: Time. If I have time I'll do a long involved one, or a couple in a row, otherwise it's where's the closest to where I am.

8) How many other Geo Cachers have you met while on a
caching hunt?
    A: 3 teams

9) Has that meeting changed the way you cache?
    A: Nope

10) When unable to locate a cache how long do you
search?
    A: 20min to an hr depending on the cache and if I'm really frustrated or not.

    a) How many attempts before logging a no-find?
    A: If i can get back the same day 2-3 but usually 2

    b) Do you contact the cache owner for help?
    A: Sure why not?

    c) Do you ask other cachers for help?
    A: Tried once but they hadn't done the cache in question.

11) When driving around are you tempted to go and look
again at caches you have found before?
    A: I've revisited caches if I'm in the area.

12) What has been the best trinket in a cache?
    A: Cd's and Books.

13) What has been the worst trinket in a cache?
    A: Broken happy meal toys and a dead slinky

14) Do you leave a signature item?
    A: Nope

    a) Are you considering your own?
    A: Not really

    b) Who has the most notable?
    A: SandDollar and Ropinthewind

15) When in a populated area waiting to retrieve a
cache what things do you do to pass the time?
    A: Sit, talk, and watch to see if anyone is a cacher.

    a) While waiting what was the worst thing to have
happen?
    A: First stage to Neighborhood Park, first the fire department showed up to check on a sleeping bum in the area(about 100ft from the cache) and then every kid in the neighborhood showed up to play basketball.

    b) What has been the best thing?
    A: Found $5

16) Do you practice Cache in Trash out?
    A: Yes

17s
What's the one piece of advice you'd want to give to
every Neocacher, so they wouldn't have to learn it the
hard way?
    A: Read everything on the cache page, twice and print it and take it with you.

What if you get caught by someone?
    A: Caught by a cacher or non cacher? If i'm caught by a cacher I'll fess up right away. If I'm seen by a non-cacher I use the phone trick.

How the heck do so many of you find soooooo many
caches? I know you work for money, so where do you
find the time?
    A: I'll go for a few weeks without finding one and then have a string of a bunch for a month or so, It's just like any other hobby, the amount you find is equal to your free time and drive to get em.

--part1_18e.cf34a4b.2a97b4d4_boundary-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 23 16:21:28 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Justin Sever) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:21:28 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Survey Response In-Reply-To: <003301c24a60$7f6f4670$026fa8c0@OUR> Message-ID: <002c01c24ac1$22a5f400$0200a8c0@laptop7500> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C24A86.76471C00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can relate to that! I don't know how else I would have gotten up to 135+ in two months if it wasn't for the extended unemployment! :) -Goose -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Team Tierra Buena Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 9:50 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Survey Response 17) Your own question for others? How the heck do so many of you find soooooo many caches? I know you work for money, so where do you find the time? My cache count is about the ONLY consolation I have for my extended unemployment! :-( Larry ("Wyle E") works, but their dog Ginger is the one who really finds all the caches for their team, so he doesn't need to be there. Steve Team Tierra Buena ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C24A86.76471C00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
I can=20 relate to that!   I don't know how else I would have gotten up = to 135+=20 in two months if it wasn't for the extended unemployment! =20 :)

-Goose

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From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = Team Tierra Buena
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 9:50=20 PM
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Subject: RE:=20 [Az-Geocaching] Survey Response

17) Your = own question for=20 others? How the heck do so many = of you find=20 soooooo many caches? = I know you work for money, so where do you find = the=20 time?

My cache count=20 is about the ONLY consolation I have for my extended unemployment!=20 :-(

Larry ("Wyle=20 E") works, but their dog Ginger is the one who really finds all the = caches for=20 their team, so he doesn't need to be there.

Steve

Team Tierra=20 Buena
------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C24A86.76471C00-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 23 16:32:08 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jim Scotti) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:32:08 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] survey of sorts... In-Reply-To: <001d01c24a0f$b006dd80$8410b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: Well, I was out geocaching yesterday, so I'll respond today, especially since so many others have.... Jim. > 1) How did you get introduced to Geo Caching? I got my first GPS and started looked around the web (actually I started that before I got my GPS) for interesting GPS related things to do, and geocaching was one of them. > 2) How long have you been a Geo Cacher? My first Geocache find was 2001 August 18, but I probably thought about it for a few days or a week before that. > 3) What is your present GPS'r? I have a Garmin Legend. > a) What was your first GPS'r? Same. > b) How many units have you owned? Uno. > c) What unit(s) would you recommend to new cachers? I love my Legend, but I'd have to seriously look at the new Magellans as well. I suppose the Garmin Legend or Vista or Magellans Sportrak or Meridian would be high on my list. I like having mapping capability, whether I need it or not. It sure comes in handy in new areas that I'm not familiar with. > 4) How long did it take to locate your first cache? The cache was about a 7 minute bushwacking hike, pretty easy. > 5) What has been your most memorable cache? So may great ones. Like 910.285, or O_Dog #2, or Father Kino. Hard to pick just one. > a) Why? Well, 910.285 was a fantastic and unique and ingenious hide. O_Dog #2 was a long but fun hike and a tough little thing to find (took 2 tries...). Father Kino was a nice little Multi with a great technique. > 6) What has been your least favorite cache? Can't think of any that I found that were particularly bad. Maybe the one not found I have that I didn't find later, or the one that had ground zero about 100 feet off and we almost gave up on it before I played a hunch on the way back to the car and found it.... > a) Why? Not founds that are lost because they are too exposed, I suppose, or caches which have poor coordinates in the cases just mentioned.... > 7) What factors dictate which cache you go looking for? Nearness (or convenience) and then maybe difficulty or the description of the cache. > 8) How many other Geo Cachers have you met while on a caching hunt? I haven't met any while out hunting, but I have met several after meeting them online and I've met a few who visited one of my caches which I have in my posession when the cache is active rather than virtual. > 9) Has that meeting changed the way you cache? Geocachers are a great group and meeting and getting to know fellow cachers is very rewarding. We don't do this sport in an isolated Universe - others have to hide caches before we can find them and interacting with other cachers is great feedback in so many ways. > 10) When unable to locate a cache how long do you search? I'll search as long as I think it might still be out there. > a) How many attempts before logging a no-find? 1 - if I can't find it, I log a no find. If I find it later, I log the find but leave the no find - it's part of my history with that cache. > b) Do you contact the cache owner for help? Probably. > c) Do you ask other cachers for help? Yes, though I prefer to get hints rather than any outright description of where to find the cache - just clues so I can go back and find it legitimately. I might have overlooked something before or (in one case) my GPS was just way off on the first try. > 11) When driving around are you tempted to go and look again at caches > you have found before? A little. I've only gone back to 2 caches, one of them to check on it for the owner since I work really close by and another for a TV news story. > 12) What has been the best trinket in a cache? I saw a PC video card in one cache (though I didn't take it). > 13) What has been the worst trinket in a cache? Cigarette lighter - what a boneheaded thing to leave in an AZ geocache where it must get really toasty inside in mid-summer. Oh, and I'd have to list that PC video card here too since it was pretty old.... :-) > 14) Do you leave a signature item? I have a few favorite items that I tend to put in geocaches, one in particular that I like, but I don't know that I'd call it a signature item. > a) Are you considering your own? Yeah, I have one item in mind, if they weren't so expensive I might already have gone ahead with them. > b) Who has the most notable? Team Sand Dollar - I finally found one, then another and another.... > 15) When in a populated area waiting to retrieve a cache what things do > you do to pass the time? I haven't had to really wait for too long. I guess I'd just hang around trying to act naturally until the area cleared. I might pull out my medium format camera if I brought it along if the area is really scenic. The busiest time, I just sat down next to the cache and casually pulled it out and did my thing before replacing it. Funny thing was that a visitor to the site commented on "how nice it would be to read a book like that guy was doing in this pretty site" - little did they know. > a) While waiting what was the worst thing to have happen? Nothing bad has happened ot me while waiting. > b) What has been the best thing? Well, sitting and watching that site while reading the cache log was pretty good and taking a couple pictures too. > 16) Do you practice Cache in Trash out? Often. Jim Scotti Lunar & Planetary Laboratory jscotti@pirl.lpl.arizona.edu University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 USA http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 23 16:46:04 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Justin Sever) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:46:04 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] survey of sorts... In-Reply-To: <001d01c24a0f$b006dd80$8410b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: <003201c24ac4$923c3560$0200a8c0@laptop7500> 1) How did you get introduced to Geo Caching? Frobro Q-Tip sent me the website. Apparently he found out about it logging a dollar on www.wheresgeorge.com 2) How long have you been a Geo Cacher? 2 months 3) What is your present GPS'r? Garmin eMap a) What was your first GPS'r? Garmin eTrek b) How many units have you owned? 2 c) What unit(s) would you recommend to new cachers? Garmin eMap. (Bought the eTrek for caching, and returned it 20 days later, and upgraded to the eMap) 4) How long did it take to locate your first cache? 15 min. Walk out to the cache was included (Phoenix Open) 5) What has been your most memorable cache? Lost Ark a) Why? Got to meet up with Team Ropingthewind for this one. Tough hike to the top, but a tremendous since of accomplishment! 6) What has been your least favorite cache? Several - Cache's that I can't find, and I don't get any response from the owner. a) Why? See above 7) What factors dictate which cache you go looking for? Time is the biggest one, Distance from home, Temperature, energy level. 8) How many other Geo Cachers have you met while on a caching hunt? 2 (not including the other frobros) 9) Has that meeting changed the way you cache? Not really 10) When unable to locate a cache how long do you search? 2 1/2 hours (In the cheap seats) a) How many attempts before logging a no-find? 1 b) Do you contact the cache owner for help? I don't recall c) Do you ask other cachers for help? I don't think so. 11) When driving around are you tempted to go and look again at caches you have found before? Sometimes. I will go back if there is a travel bug in them. I obviously have to make multiple trips back to my caches that I've hidden. 12) What has been the best trinket in a cache? Harkins Movie Passes 13) What has been the worst trinket in a cache? Range Golf Ball 14) Do you leave a signature item? Frobro Stickers; Movie Buttons, but they are not really signature items a) Are you considering your own? N/A b) Who has the most notable? Loren's Sand Dollars 15) When in a populated area waiting to retrieve a cache what things do you do to pass the time? Read the news on my PDA a) While waiting what was the worst thing to have happen? After retrieving a cache at Kiwanis Park, I went to the A/C of my car to log the find. As I went there, a family threw down a blanket and decided to picnic right were the cache needed to be replaced. I had to go to another cache and take the cache with me, and then return it in an hour. I think Wyle-E found it about 1 hour after I replaced it. b) What has been the best thing? I don't know, I guess the enjoyment of people watching. People do some pretty interesting things, and just sitting back watching them sometimes can be pretty entertaining. 16) Do you practice Cache in Trash out? Yes 17) Your own question for others? What determines logging a note as a no-find, as opposed to a "Couldn't Find" when you can't find a cache. (Feel free to change the wording. It's a little confusing) -Frobro Goose From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 23 17:55:43 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brent Milner) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:55:43 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] survey of sorts... In-Reply-To: <20020823121504.48922.qmail@web13101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Here's my survey. - FroBro Q-Tip 1) How did you get introduced to Geo Caching? - Someone who found one of my wheresgeorge.com dollar bills mentioned geocaching in their log entry. I forwarded the website to the other FroBros, and FroBro Goose was immediately addicted. He took me out on a hunt a couple weeks later, and I've been hooked ever since. 2) How long have you been a Geo Cacher? - Almost a whole two months. (June 30, 2002) 3) What is your present GPS'r? - Garmin eMap a) What was your first GPS'r? Garmin eMap b) How many units have you owned? One c) What unit(s) would you recommend to new cachers? FroBro Goose owned a Garmin eTrex, but the Garmin eMap is much easier to use. 4) How long did it take to locate your first cache? - About 20 minutes. Four of the five FroBros went to look for the "Tranquility or Cacophony?" urban cache in Chandler. There was so much tree coverage that we kept losing the satellite signal. 5) What has been your most memorable cache? - Probably "The Mummy's Treasure" a) Why? - The cache is located on top of Mummy Mountain, and my wife and I were scurrying to find it while a monsoon raced in on us. I took some pictures up here, which I uploaded to the site at: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cachelog_details.asp?ID=79640&L=486691 6) What has been your least favorite cache? - "Round and Round we go!" by my fellow FroBro, Goose. a) Why? - I spent too much time driving around looking for a place to park. Then it got dark and I could not find this camoflaged cache. I had to call Goose on my cell phone and interupt his darts tournament so that he could help me find it. The cache was good, I just wasn't too smart about finding it. 7) What factors dictate which cache you go looking for? - So far, I've just gone looking for anything close by. If someone puts extra effort into it (i.e. puzzles, unique cache container, themed goodies, travel bugs, etc.) I will make the same extra effort to go find it. I also like to go places where the view is extraordinary, because I like to take pictures of every cache I visit. I upload these to the website if they turn out well. 8) How many other Geo Cachers have you met while on a caching hunt? - None, as far as I know. People may have been spying on me without my knowledge. I've only found 13 caches, though. 9) Has that meeting changed the way you cache? 10) When unable to locate a cache how long do you search? - I never give up, even if I have to call the cache owner begging and pleading without shame. a) How many attempts before logging a no-find? Failure is not an option, Private Q-Tip! :) b) Do you contact the cache owner for help? I wait as long as I can before calling. Then I blubber like a baby. I have no shame. c) Do you ask other cachers for help? Yes, if I had your phone number, I would call you at 2am before giving up on a cache. :) 11) When driving around are you tempted to go and look again at caches you have found before? - Naw. I always glance towards the cache location to see if anyone else is geocaching. 12) What has been the best trinket in a cache? - I really like the little Sand Dollar I got yesterday. That's the coolest thing I've found in my two months of experience. 13) What has been the worst trinket in a cache? - Little plastic lizards and other stuff you can get in one of those grocery store 5-cent machines. 14) Do you leave a signature item? - No, although I have put a FroBro Q-Tip sticker on a couple of the logs. a) Are you considering your own? - Not yet b) Who has the most notable? - I have only seen a couple. Like I said before, the little miniature Sand Dollar was cool. 15) When in a populated area waiting to retrieve a cache what things do you do to pass the time? - I take pictures of the general area where the cache is hidden. If I just happen to take a few pictures of the people, and they notice me taking pictures of them, they will generally get intimidated by the camera and depart. :) a) While waiting what was the worst thing to have happen? - Nothing bad has happened yet. I imagine someone will eventually try break my camera or sue me for taking their picture. b) What has been the best thing? - I have gotten some really nice shots of the scenery. 16) Do you practice Cache in Trash out? - Yes. 17) What's the one piece of advice you'd want to give to every Neocacher, so they wouldn't have to learn it the hard way? - Go out with friends on your first cache. Schedule four or five easy ones, if they're nearby. Bring a digital camera! What if you get caught by someone? - I usually pretend that I'm making a film documentary, since my camera looks professional enough. If they approach me, I may explain geocaching to them, but I won't lead them to the cache. How the heck do so many of you find soooooo many caches? I know you work for money, so where do you find the time? I try to go out after work one day a week. I can probably get four caches before it gets too dark for the camera. But then again, I'm not exactly the shining example of someone who has a ton of caches. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 23 18:11:38 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bell, Robert) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:11:38 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] survey of sorts... Message-ID: TEAM CHUMP REPORTING ..... 1) How did you get introduced to Geo Caching? A: Team GPERS 2) How long have you been a Geo Cacher? A: Since Sept 2001 3) What is your present GPS'r? A: etrex summit a) What was your first GPS'r? A: same b) How many units have you owned? A: 1, purchasing the Garmin RINO in the next few weeks though, once it is available. c) What unit(s) would you recommend to new cachers? A: Garmin with mapping capabilities. 4) How long did it take to locate your first cache? A: 5 minutes (Rancho, long gone now... :( ) 5) What has been your most memorable cache? A: RIP. 4 caches that day, coke ovens, and a bad ass road trip - including driving across the Gila River. But we made it, unscathed! Lots of other real good ones too though. a) Why? A: Team Effort, 4 wheeling, puzzle caches. Combined all my favorite aspects of the game. Oh yes, and we got a pie coupon. 6) What has been your least favorite cache? A: Locationless ones. a) Why? A: They've really gotten some bad ones now. Some are ok, but for example there are locationless that are "find a US flag on a pole" or "Take a picture of a water tower". If you don't need a GPS, I question if it is a cache at all. 7) What factors dictate which cache you go looking for? A: I go for all of them eventually. 8) How many other Geo Cachers have you met while on a caching hunt? A: Surprisingly, many. I would say maybe 15 teams. 9) Has that meeting changed the way you cache? A: No. (?) 10) When unable to locate a cache how long do you search? A: many factors. How remote? Basically as long as I have time until I have searched the area to my satisfaction. a) How many attempts before logging a no-find? A: When I feel I can't find it without more info. b) Do you contact the cache owner for help? A: No. c) Do you ask other cachers for help? A: If at all, only as a last resort. Matter of pride. 11) When driving around are you tempted to go and look again at caches you have found before? A: No. 12) What has been the best trinket in a cache? A: Pottery shards. Just kidding. Probably the the HP Print server in AZ Techno Gecko. 13) What has been the worst trinket in a cache? A: matchbooks. 14) Do you leave a signature item? A: Started leaving Orange Cable Clamps. a) Are you considering your own? A: see above. b) Who has the most notable? A: Only notable to me are Roping the wind or sand dollar. I can pretty much tell a Libby cache too by now. 15) When in a populated area waiting to retrieve a cache what things do you do to pass the time? A: Like Eric, sit and complain about all the people present. a) While waiting what was the worst thing to have happen? A: They don't leave. b) What has been the best thing? A: Meet other teams. At Jesse and Jedi we have 5 teams there at once a few months back! Tim (AZFastFeet) I think I've run into you what, four times now? 16) Do you practice Cache in Trash out? A: When possible. 17s What's the one piece of advice you'd want to give to every Neocacher, so they wouldn't have to learn it the hard way? A: Start easy, and do at least a dozen before putting one out. Kiss your family goodby unless they start caching with you because you may not be home much! What if you get caught by someone? A: Talk to the plants and myself. Ask them what the frequency is over and over. They usually leave. If you don't want to act schizophrenic, the GPS as a cell phone usually works. I don't remember ever being caught though. If you don't act suspicous, its not usually a problem. How the heck do so many of you find soooooo many caches? I know you work for money, so where do you find the time? A: I have topo software on my computer. I can plot the caches on the maps and group them together for hunts and do several at once. They add up. Besides, with Loran leaving, somebody has to make a feeble attempt at chasing Larry. Rob Team CHUMP From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 23 19:03:28 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 12:03:28 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] survey of sorts... In-Reply-To: <001d01c24a0f$b006dd80$8410b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020823114644.0289a3e0@mail.myblueheaven.com> --=====================_9594174==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:11 PM 8/22/2002 -0700, you wrote: Like Team Scotti I was out caching yesterday so I will answer today. Actually, I was out caching with Team Scotti. :-) >1) How did you get introduced to Geo Caching? I was up late watching the Discovery Channel and they did a short bit on it. Sounded fun since I already had a GPSR and there was a few caches close to my house. >2) How long have you been a Geo Cacher? On October 15 it will be one year. >3) What is your present GPS'r? I currently have two that I use. Magellan 315 and a Magellan SporTrak Pro. > a) What was your first GPS'r? The 315 was my first one. > b) How many units have you owned? 2 > c) What unit(s) would you recommend to new cachers? I really like both of mine and would be happy to recommend either. If budget is an issue it would be a 315. If you want mapping you can't go wrong with the SporTrak. >4) How long did it take to locate your first cache? It was probably 3 or 4 days from the time that I discovered geocaching. The actual trip for the first cache was about a 20 minute walk. >5) What has been your most memorable cache? There have been quite a few. "Double or Nothing" and "910.285" both come to mind, but I am sure that I am missing many. > a) Why? I like caches that either have nice scenery or are somehow different than other caches. Both of the ones mentioned about fit those categories. >6) What has been your least favorite cache? I don't really have a least favorite. > a) Why? >7) What factors dictate which cache you go looking for? If it is hidden, we will go look for it. If we are on the road, like yesterday, I like to find caches that are in clusters to make the most of our time. >8) How many other Geo Cachers have you met while on a caching hunt? One team of 2 cachers. I have met many at the event cache that we had down here in Tucson, and others via e-mail, but only Sparky and Groover while on the trail. >9) Has that meeting changed the way you cache? Not really. >10) When unable to locate a cache how long do you search? It depends. If I believe that the cache is really there, I will continue to look. There has been many times that I have just about given up and then find the cache,after I stop really looking for it. > a) How many attempts before logging a no-find? Just one. I believe that if you look for a cache and can't find it, it should be logged as a no-find. For some reason people look at a no-find log as some sort of failure or shameful situation. If I can't actually get to the area of the cache I will log a note. I also leave the no-find logs after I go back and find the cache. > b) Do you contact the cache owner for help? I have. There have been others that I haven't. > c) Do you ask other cachers for help? Same as my last answer. >11) When driving around are you tempted to go and look again at caches you >have found before? Not really. I have gone back to the area were I found a cache, but not to the cache itself. >12) What has been the best trinket in a cache? Hard to tell, but we found a piece of hand made stained glass in a cache out in California that we really liked. >13) What has been the worst trinket in a cache? There has been a lot of that. If we don't find anything that interests us, we don't trade. >14) Do you leave a signature item? Not yet. > a) Are you considering your own? They are already on order and should be here very soon. > b) Who has the most notable? While not actually a signature item, I loved the "Yellow Jeep Anxiety Pills" and wish I would not have placed them in another cache. Team Sand Dollars sand dollars are great also. >15) When in a populated area waiting to retrieve a cache what things do >you do to pass the time? > a) While waiting what was the worst thing to have happen? > b) What has been the best thing? I don't really have any answer to the 3 above questions. >16) Do you practice Cache in Trash out? Normally. If it is a long hike I don't carry as much out, but you normally don't find as much trash, but have been surprised at times. I actually took a whole pickup full of trash to the dump when I hid "The Tucson Bugport." >17) Your own question for others? Can't really think of one that you didn't already cover. Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache --=====================_9594174==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 12:11 PM 8/22/2002 -0700, you wrote:

Like Team Scotti I was out caching yesterday so I will answer today. Actually, I was out caching with Team Scotti. :-)

1) How did you get introduced to Geo Caching?

I was up late watching the Discovery Channel and they did a short bit on it. Sounded fun since I already had a GPSR and there was a few caches close to my house.

2) How long have you been a Geo Cacher?

On October 15 it will be one year.

3) What is your present GPS'r?

I currently have two that I use. Magellan 315 and a Magellan SporTrak Pro.

    a) What was your first GPS'r?

The 315 was my first one.

    b) How many units have you owned?

2

    c) What unit(s) would you recommend to new cachers?

I really like both of mine and would be happy to recommend either. If budget is an issue it would be a 315. If you want mapping you can't go wrong with the SporTrak.

4) How long did it take to locate your first cache?

It was probably 3 or 4 days from the time that I discovered geocaching. The actual trip for the first cache was about a 20 minute walk.

5) What has been your most memorable cache?

There have been quite a few. "Double or Nothing" and "910.285" both come to mind, but I am sure that I am missing many.

    a) Why?

I like caches that either have nice scenery or are somehow different than other caches. Both of the ones mentioned about fit those categories.

6) What has been your least favorite cache?

I don't really have a least favorite.

    a) Why?
7) What factors dictate which cache you go looking for?

If it is hidden, we will go look for it. If we are on the road, like yesterday, I like to find caches that are in clusters to make the most of our time.

8) How many other Geo Cachers have you met while on a caching hunt?

One team of 2 cachers. I have met many at the event cache that we had down here in Tucson, and others via e-mail, but only Sparky and Groover while on the trail.

9) Has that meeting changed the way you cache?

Not really.

10) When unable to locate a cache how long do you search?

It depends. If I believe that the cache is really there, I will continue to look. There has been many times that I have just about given up and then find the cache,after I stop really looking for it.

    a) How many attempts before logging a no-find?

Just one. I believe that if you look for a cache and can't find it, it should be logged as a no-find. For some reason people look at a no-find log as some sort of failure or shameful situation. If I can't actually get to the area of the cache I will log a note. I also leave the no-find logs after I go back and find the cache.

    b) Do you contact the cache owner for help?

I have. There have been others that I haven't.

   c) Do you ask other cachers for help?

Same as my last answer.

11) When driving around are you tempted to go and look again at caches you have found before?

Not really. I have gone back to the area were I found a cache, but not to the cache itself.

12) What has been the best trinket in a cache?

Hard to tell, but we found a piece of hand made stained glass in a cache out in California that we really liked.

13) What has been the worst trinket in a cache?

There has been a lot of that. If we don't find anything that interests us, we don't trade.

14) Do you leave a signature item?

Not yet.

    a) Are you considering your own?

They are already on order and should be here very soon.

    b) Who has the most notable?

While not actually a signature item, I loved the "Yellow Jeep Anxiety Pills" and wish I would not have placed them in another cache. Team Sand Dollars sand dollars are great also.

15) When in a populated area waiting to retrieve a cache what things do you do to pass the time?
    a) While waiting what was the worst thing to have happen?
    b) What has been the best thing?

I don't really have any answer to the 3 above questions.

16) Do you practice Cache in Trash out?

Normally. If it is a long hike I don't carry as much out, but you normally don't find as much trash, but have been surprised at times. I actually took a whole pickup full of trash to the dump when I hid "The Tucson Bugport."

17) Your own question for others?

Can't really think of one that you didn't already cover.

Scott

Team My Blue Heaven

www.myblueheaven.com/geocache
--=====================_9594174==_.ALT-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 23 19:43:43 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Gizmo) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 12:43:43 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Survey of sorts..... Message-ID: <001401c24add$63f4a340$614fe99f@sc.co.pima.az.us> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C24AA2.B73FE310 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 1) How did you get introduced to Geo Caching? Recent article in the Arizona Republic. 2) How long have you been a Geo Cacher? Less than a month. 3) What is your present GPS'r? Basic yellow Etrex. a) What was your first GPS'r? Basic yellow Etrex. b) How many units have you owned? 1 c) What unit(s) would you recommend to new cachers? I haven't used any others but the Etrex is working great. 4) How long did it take to locate your first cache? About 10 minutes 5) What has been your most memorable cache? The Boneyard in Tucson a) Why? Has some trouble finding it and we found our first travel bug = there. 6) What has been your least favorite cache? Tucson Top on Mt. Lemmon a) Why? We were disappointed because we couldn't find it. (will try = again soon) 7) What factors dictate which cache you go looking for? Location - we go to ones that are close by. 8) How many other Geo Cachers have you met while on a caching hunt? None so far. 9) Has that meeting changed the way you cache? N/A 10) When unable to locate a cache how long do you search? Depends on the location - anywhere from 20 minutes to 1 1/2 = hours a) How many attempts before logging a no-find? I would say 3 b) Do you contact the cache owner for help? We will if we need to. c) Do you ask other cachers for help? Same as B. 11) When driving around are you tempted to go and look again at caches you have found before? We probably will at some point. 12) What has been the best trinket in a cache? Sand Dollar =20 13) What has been the worst trinket in a cache? Broken toys 14) Do you leave a signature item? No =20 a) Are you considering your own? Yes b) Who has the most notable? Team Sand Dollar 15) When in a populated area waiting to retrieve a cache what things do you do to pass the time? Sit and talk and people watch a) While waiting what was the worst thing to have happen? We have not really had any bad experiences yet. b) What has been the best thing? 16) Do you practice Cache in Trash out? When we can - yes. 17) Your own question for others? ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C24AA2.B73FE310 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

1) How did you get introduced to Geo = Caching?

    =     Recent=20 article in the Arizona Republic.

2) How long have you been a Geo Cacher?

        Less than a=20 month.

3) What is your present GPS'r?

       =20 Basic yellow Etrex.
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        Basic=20 yellow Etrex.
    b) How many units have = you=20 owned?

       =20 1
    c) What unit(s) would you recommend to = new=20 cachers?

        I haven't used = any=20 others but the Etrex is working great.

4) How long did it take to locate your first cache?

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5) What has been your most memorable cache?

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        Has some = trouble finding=20 it and we found our first travel bug there.

6) What has been your least favorite cache?

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    a) Why?

        We were=20 disappointed because we couldn't find it. (will try again=20 soon)

7) What factors dictate which cache you go looking for?

        Location = - we go to=20 ones that are close by.

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16) Do you practice Cache in Trash out?

        When we can -=20 yes.
17) Your own question for=20 others?
------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C24AA2.B73FE310-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 23 20:19:45 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:19:45 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Question about a survey answer Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020823131509.0314eaf0@mail.myblueheaven.com> I have been reading the survey responses and many of them are quite interesting. One question has come up though. It seems that there are 2 normal answers to the question about how many times you look before posting a no-find log. It seems that the answers are either 1 or 3. I understand the 1, but don't really understand 3. You don't wait until you find a cache 3 times before you log it as a found cache, so why wait until 3 if you can't find it when you go hunting? This goes hand in hand with a question that I asked a number of months ago about no-find logs. Many people won't post no-find logs but will post a note saying that they couldn't find the cache. Why is this? Do you look at not being able to find the cache as some sort of failure? Thanks for posting the survey, it has been very interesting to read everyone replies. In liberty, Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 23 20:22:12 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Cody Brown) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:22:12 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] GPS based security system Message-ID: BUFPUT yes, LUDPUT no..... http://nt1.directionsmag.com/pressreleases.asp?PressID=2764 From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 23 20:46:07 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brent Milner) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:46:07 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Question about a survey answer In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020823131509.0314eaf0@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: Hi Scott, That is an interesting question. I must admit that I would rather not have a "no find" on my record if I can help it. I like seeing that 100% ratio in the team stats for finds vs. no-finds. I didn't really think about it much until you posed the question. I guess I just assumed that a no-find would be a failure on my part. I can see what you're saying. There's nothing wrong with posting a no-find, and in many cases it helps the cache owner and others who may be searching for it. By posting a no-find, it may alert the cache owner that the cache is gone. It may also prevent others from wasting their time looking for a missing cache. The very worst it can do is to humble you temporarily. The world needs more humble people anyway. :) Thanks for opening my eyes to this point. I will not be so biased towards my own "success" in the future if I cannot find a cache. - FroBro Q-Tip -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Scott Wood Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 1:20 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Question about a survey answer I have been reading the survey responses and many of them are quite interesting. One question has come up though. It seems that there are 2 normal answers to the question about how many times you look before posting a no-find log. It seems that the answers are either 1 or 3. I understand the 1, but don't really understand 3. You don't wait until you find a cache 3 times before you log it as a found cache, so why wait until 3 if you can't find it when you go hunting? This goes hand in hand with a question that I asked a number of months ago about no-find logs. Many people won't post no-find logs but will post a note saying that they couldn't find the cache. Why is this? Do you look at not being able to find the cache as some sort of failure? Thanks for posting the survey, it has been very interesting to read everyone replies. In liberty, Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 23 20:50:17 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jim Scotti) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:50:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Question about a survey answer In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020823131509.0314eaf0@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: Yes, the survey has been very interesting. I also don't understand why you should have multiple unsuccessful attempts before logging a not found entry. Seems simple. You get to ground zero on a cache, you hunt around and you don't find it, you post a not found log. You go back later and find it, then you add a successful log - I leave the original not found log in that case anyway (as I have twice after going back and actually finding the cache). If nothing else, it allows other cachers to get an idea of what the area is like and if it is especially difficult to find. Or perhaps the coordinates are off. It also gives the owner some feedback on his cache - maybe he needs to update the coordinates or it's better hidden than he thought or whatever. Scott hits it right on the head when he says "You don't wait until you find a cache 3 times before you log it as a found cache, so why wait until 3 if you can't find it when you go hunting?" Now, if you can't quite get to the site, that's totally different. But a note as to why is useful since it could help other cachers know of some of the difficulties of getting to that site (I had trouble getting to one cache last month due to road construction which I logged as a note). I think it's all part of the fun of the game to read about other cachers trials and tribulations out on the hunt, successful or not. And it helps when you have trouble yourself to know that you're not the only one who encounters obstacles while geocaching. If the number of not founds on a cache is high, but it's still being found, I know I should be more persistent in the hunt. I hate to say it, but not posting not found logs is essentially cheating. Jim. On Fri, 23 Aug 2002, Scott Wood wrote: > I have been reading the survey responses and many of them are quite > interesting. One question has come up though. > > It seems that there are 2 normal answers to the question about how many > times you look before posting a no-find log. It seems that the answers are > either 1 or 3. I understand the 1, but don't really understand 3. You > don't wait until you find a cache 3 times before you log it as a found > cache, so why wait until 3 if you can't find it when you go hunting? > > This goes hand in hand with a question that I asked a number of months ago > about no-find logs. Many people won't post no-find logs but will post a > note saying that they couldn't find the cache. Why is this? Do you look > at not being able to find the cache as some sort of failure? > > Thanks for posting the survey, it has been very interesting to read > everyone replies. > > In liberty, > > Scott > > wood@myblueheaven.com > www.myblueheaven.com > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > Jim Scotti Lunar & Planetary Laboratory jscotti@pirl.lpl.arizona.edu University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 USA http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 23 22:51:01 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jerry Nelson) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:51:01 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] survey of sorts... Message-ID: <20020823.155108.-1544485.1.peakbagger2@juno.com> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ----__JNP_000_0841.07fe.1416 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll admit I thought this survey was a bit long when I first saw it, but I find I'm enjoying it. Here's my response. Jerry Offtrail 1) How did you get introduced to Geo Caching? Sierra Club Outing . 2) How long have you been a Geo Cacher? Nine months. First find was 11/22/01 3) What is your present GPS'r? Etrex Legend a) What was your first GPS'r? Ditto b) How many units have you owned? One c) What unit(s) would you recommend to new cachers? I've had only one so can't compare 4) How long did it take to locate your first cache? About 10-15 minutes including hike. It was an easy find once there, did no real searching. 5) What has been your most memorable cache? No doubt, Bronco Butte. Second choice, Grand Undertaking. a) Why? For some reason Bronco Butte was thought to be unachievable until then, at least no one tried for a long time. I suppose the fact that it was placed by helicopter gave it a mystique. 6) What has been your least favorite cache? A few of the ones on urban mountains surrounded by residential areas a) Why? Too much time driving, trying to find the approach. 7) What factors dictate which cache you go looking for? I liked the answer about them just being there. In most cases though, the closer to home, the more likely I'll try sooner. 8) How many other Geo Cachers have you met while on a caching hunt? Two or three. I remember catching RopingtheWind logging in on Camelback Mountain. We both were a little relieved, I think, when we realized for sure we were both cachers. 9) Has that meeting changed the way you cache? No 10) When unable to locate a cache how long do you search? 20-30 minutes, or longer if it was a long hike in. a) How many attempts before logging a no-find? One b) Do you contact the cache owner for help? Haven't yet but not above doing so. c) Do you ask other cachers for help? Same as b 11) When driving around are you tempted to go and look again at caches you have found before? Tempted but never yet done it except the time I checked Hundred Dollar when it was reported missing. 12) What has been the best trinket in a cache? I found a Garmin Road and Rec CD in Iowa. It was an older version I think but I've used it a lot. 13) What has been the worst trinket in a cache? Religious literature 14) Do you leave a signature item? No a) Are you considering your own? I've thought about it but have no idea what it would be yet. b) Who has the most notable? As most others have said, the ubiquitous Sand Dollar 15) When in a populated area waiting to retrieve a cache what things do you do to pass the time? Stay put and try to look innocent. That's hard for me to do even under normal circumstances. a) While waiting what was the worst thing to have happen? b) What has been the best thing? Have no answers for the above two. 16) Do you practice Cache in Trash out? Yes 17) Your own question for others? Was geocaching the reason for buying your first GPSr? ----__JNP_000_0841.07fe.1416 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'll admit I thought this survey was a bit long when I first saw = it,=20 but I find I'm enjoying it. Here's my response.

Jerry

Offtrail

1) How did you get = introduced to=20 Geo Caching?

Sierra Club Outing

.

2) How long have you = been a Geo=20 Cacher?

Nine months. First find = was=20 11/22/01

3) What is your present= =20 GPS'r?

Etrex Legend

    a)&= nbsp;What was=20 your first GPS'r?

Ditto

   &= nbsp;b) How=20 many units have you owned?

One



    = c) What=20 unit(s) would you recommend to new cachers?

I've had only one so can= 't=20 compare

4) How long did it take = to locate=20 your first cache?

About 10-15 minutes = including=20 hike. It was an easy find once there, did no real=20 searching.

5) What has been your = most=20 memorable cache?

No doubt, Bronco Butte.&= nbsp;=20 Second choice, Grand Undertaking.



a) Why?

For some reason Bronco = Butte was=20 thought to be unachievable until then, at least no one tried for a long=20 time. I suppose the fact that it was placed by helicopter gave it a= =20 mystique.

6) What has been your = least=20 favorite cache?

A few of the ones on = urban=20 mountains surrounded by residential areas

a) Why?

Too much time driving, = trying to=20 find the approach.

7) What factors dictate = which cache=20 you go looking for?

I liked the answer about= them just=20 being there. In most cases though, the closer to home, the more = likely=20 I'll try sooner.

8) How many other Geo = Cachers have=20 you met while on a caching hunt?

Two or three. I = remember=20 catching RopingtheWind logging in on Camelback Mountain. We both = were a=20 little relieved, I think, when we realized for sure we were both=20 cachers.

9) Has that meeting = changed the way=20 you cache?

No

10) When unable to = locate a cache=20 how long do you search?

20-30 minutes, or longer= if it was=20 a long hike in.

a) How many = attempts before=20 logging a no-find?

One

b) Do you contact = the cache=20 owner for help?

Haven't yet but not = above doing=20 so.

c) Do you ask = other cachers=20 for help?

Same as b

11) When driving around = are you=20 tempted to go and look again at caches you have found before?

Tempted but never yet = done it=20 except the time I checked Hundred Dollar when it was reported=20 missing.

12) What has been the = best trinket=20 in a cache?

I found a Garmin Road = and Rec CD in=20 Iowa. It was an older version I think but I've used it a=20 lot.

13) What has been the = worst trinket=20 in a cache?

Religious literature

14) Do you leave a = signature=20 item?

No



a) Are you = considering=20 your own?

I've thought about it = but have no=20 idea what it would be yet.

    b) = Who has the=20 most notable?

As most others have said= , the=20 ubiquitous Sand Dollar

15) When in a populated = area=20 waiting to retrieve a cache what things do you do to pass the=20 time?

Stay put and try to look= =20 innocent. That's hard for me to do even under normal=20 circumstances.

    a) = While waiting=20 what was the worst thing to have happen?

    b) = What has been=20 the best thing?

Have no answers for the = above=20 two.

16) Do you practice = ;Cache in=20 Trash out?

Yes

17) Your own question = for=20 others?

Was geocaching the = reason for=20 buying your first GPSr?

----__JNP_000_0841.07fe.1416-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 23 21:00:15 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Farquhar, Larry) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:00:15 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Question about a survey answer Message-ID: <5EDEA14A2792394EA7D482E702C4C6DB02254731@ipnismtp1.ipni.com> I've logged 22 "no finds", but have been able to return to 12 of them and find the cache later. I also leave the original "no find" log entry, so others can see where I had problems. Most of the remaining 12 no finds were caused by the cache actually not being there. But I still have a few that I didn't originally find that I need to return to and find (Loop the Loop, Cave Creek Recreation...). Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 23 21:02:36 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jim Scotti) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:02:36 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] survey of sorts... In-Reply-To: <20020823.155108.-1544485.1.peakbagger2@juno.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Aug 2002, Jerry Nelson wrote: > 17) Your own question for others? > > Was geocaching the reason for buying your first GPSr? No. I just wanted a GPS, but at the same time, I recognized there were lots of fun things I could do with one and geocaching was one of the first things I found. Jim. Jim Scotti Lunar & Planetary Laboratory jscotti@pirl.lpl.arizona.edu University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 USA http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 23 21:02:17 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:02:17 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Question about a survey answer In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020823131509.0314eaf0@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020823135930.02ac4600@mail.myblueheaven.com> --=====================_6649582==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:46 PM 8/23/2002 -0700, you wrote: >The very worst it can do is to humble you temporarily. The world needs more >humble people anyway. :) > >Thanks for opening my eyes to this point. I will not be so biased towards my >own "success" in the future if I cannot find a cache. I have always looked at my log entries as my history with geocaching. If I can't find a cache, that is every bit as much my history as my finding a cache and that is why I leave my no-find logs in place even after going back and finding the cache. You are absolutely right about it being a humbling feeling at times, but not being able to find a cache is just as valid as finding it, and part of the game. If I found ever cache every time out, this would actually be a little boring. :-) I have to admit that I take great pleasure in going back and finding it the second time out. In liberty, Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com --=====================_6649582==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 01:46 PM 8/23/2002 -0700, you wrote:

The very worst it can do is to humble you temporarily. The world needs more
humble people anyway. :)

Thanks for opening my eyes to this point. I will not be so biased towards my
own "success" in the future if I cannot find a cache.

I have always looked at my log entries as my history with geocaching. If I can't find a cache, that is every bit as much my history as my finding a cache and that is why I leave my no-find logs in place even after going back and finding the cache.

You are absolutely right about it being a humbling feeling at times, but not being able to find a cache is just as valid as finding it, and part of the game. If I found ever cache every time out, this would actually be a little boring. :-) I have to admit that I take great pleasure in going back and finding it the second time out.

In liberty,

Scott

wood@myblueheaven.com

www.myblueheaven.com
--=====================_6649582==_.ALT-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 23 21:17:57 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:17:57 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: survey of sorts Message-ID: > 1) How did you get introduced to Geo Caching? I found a link on the Garmin web site. > 2) How long have you been a Geo Cacher? April 27th 2002 > 3) What is your present GPS'r? Garmin emap >�� a) What was your first GPS'r? Garmin emap >�� b) How many units have you owned? 1 >�� c) What unit(s) would you recommend to new cachers? I often recommend the emap, but I like the Garmin 76s as well. > 4) How long did it take to locate your first cache? The first cache I looked for was missing. I found out several days later. > 5) What has been your most memorable cache? 910.285 or Fore. >�� a) Why? 910.285 was the most unique, and Fore was my real first find. > 6) What has been your least favorite cache? Any cache too close to private land. >�� a) Why? I hate people to think that you're up to something behind their house or property. > 7) What factors dictate which cache you go looking for? I like anything thats not a multi-cache. > 8) How many other Geo Cachers have you met while on a caching hunt? 2 > 9) Has that meeting changed the way you cache? No > 10) When unable to locate a cache how long do you search? Up to an hour >�� a) How many attempts before logging a no-find? 3 >�� b) Do you contact the cache owner for help? No >�� c) Do you ask other cachers for help? No > 11) When driving around are you tempted to go and look again at caches > you have found before? No, but I sure point them out to my kids as we go by. > 12) What has been the best trinket in a cache? Book > 13) What has been the worst trinket in a cache? Used golf balls are pretty lame. > 14) Do you leave a signature item? No >�� a) Are you considering your own? Not yet. >�� b) Who has the most notable? Team Sand Dollar > 15) When in a populated area waiting to retrieve a cache what things do > you do to pass the time? I usually abort and come back later. >�� a) While waiting what was the worst thing to have happen? Nothing >�� b) What has been the best thing? Found 5 softballs recently. > 16) Do you practice Cache in Trash out? ------------------------ GeoRaptor Sometimes. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 23 22:12:51 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Justin Sever) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:12:51 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Question about a survey answer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001601c24af2$38bc22b0$0200a8c0@laptop7500> Here is how I distinguish between posting a no-find and a note. I post a note if I don't give it a through search or don't actually make it to the cache location (people in the area, or some other circumstance). If I actually look for the cache and can't find it, then I post a no-find. I always post something though, each and every cache that I go to, wither I'm able to search for it or not. -Frobro Goose -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Brent Milner Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 1:46 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Question about a survey answer Hi Scott, That is an interesting question. I must admit that I would rather not have a "no find" on my record if I can help it. I like seeing that 100% ratio in the team stats for finds vs. no-finds. I didn't really think about it much until you posed the question. I guess I just assumed that a no-find would be a failure on my part. I can see what you're saying. There's nothing wrong with posting a no-find, and in many cases it helps the cache owner and others who may be searching for it. By posting a no-find, it may alert the cache owner that the cache is gone. It may also prevent others from wasting their time looking for a missing cache. The very worst it can do is to humble you temporarily. The world needs more humble people anyway. :) Thanks for opening my eyes to this point. I will not be so biased towards my own "success" in the future if I cannot find a cache. - FroBro Q-Tip -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Scott Wood Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 1:20 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Question about a survey answer I have been reading the survey responses and many of them are quite interesting. One question has come up though. It seems that there are 2 normal answers to the question about how many times you look before posting a no-find log. It seems that the answers are either 1 or 3. I understand the 1, but don't really understand 3. You don't wait until you find a cache 3 times before you log it as a found cache, so why wait until 3 if you can't find it when you go hunting? This goes hand in hand with a question that I asked a number of months ago about no-find logs. Many people won't post no-find logs but will post a note saying that they couldn't find the cache. Why is this? Do you look at not being able to find the cache as some sort of failure? Thanks for posting the survey, it has been very interesting to read everyone replies. In liberty, Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 23 22:13:41 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:13:41 EDT Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Top 5 fav caches? Message-ID: <60.24df8197.2a980d95@aol.com> Hi everyone, I'm Cache-meifucan. I've posted a few times on here but not often enough to pretend to know what's going on, or consider myself an active poster, but that's going to change now. :o) In light of the recent survey, I was just curious as to what people's top 5 caches they have found were. I'm just going to sit down and do my own list so it'll be up later. Thanks in advance and happy caching! Chris Cache-meifucan From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 23 22:48:26 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bell, Robert) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:48:26 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Question about a survey answer Message-ID: When I feel I've given it enough time and have basically given up, I'll post a no find log. If the cache is gone and I didn't find it, I post a note (can't find or not find what's not there!) I used to remove the no find and replace with a find once I went back, but I don't do that anymore. Luckily I haven't had any no finds on caches that were actually there in quite a while. Once I started hiding caches I realized no finds helped the cache owner determine the cache status a lot more easily. In fact, a lack of no finds on the stats list makes me suspicious that that person isn't logging theirs! my $.02 Rob Team CHUMP -----Original Message----- From: Justin Sever [mailto:justinsever@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 15:13 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Question about a survey answer Here is how I distinguish between posting a no-find and a note. I post a note if I don't give it a through search or don't actually make it to the cache location (people in the area, or some other circumstance). If I actually look for the cache and can't find it, then I post a no-find. I always post something though, each and every cache that I go to, wither I'm able to search for it or not. -Frobro Goose -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Brent Milner Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 1:46 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Question about a survey answer Hi Scott, That is an interesting question. I must admit that I would rather not have a "no find" on my record if I can help it. I like seeing that 100% ratio in the team stats for finds vs. no-finds. I didn't really think about it much until you posed the question. I guess I just assumed that a no-find would be a failure on my part. I can see what you're saying. There's nothing wrong with posting a no-find, and in many cases it helps the cache owner and others who may be searching for it. By posting a no-find, it may alert the cache owner that the cache is gone. It may also prevent others from wasting their time looking for a missing cache. The very worst it can do is to humble you temporarily. The world needs more humble people anyway. :) Thanks for opening my eyes to this point. I will not be so biased towards my own "success" in the future if I cannot find a cache. - FroBro Q-Tip -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Scott Wood Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 1:20 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Question about a survey answer I have been reading the survey responses and many of them are quite interesting. One question has come up though. It seems that there are 2 normal answers to the question about how many times you look before posting a no-find log. It seems that the answers are either 1 or 3. I understand the 1, but don't really understand 3. You don't wait until you find a cache 3 times before you log it as a found cache, so why wait until 3 if you can't find it when you go hunting? This goes hand in hand with a question that I asked a number of months ago about no-find logs. Many people won't post no-find logs but will post a note saying that they couldn't find the cache. Why is this? Do you look at not being able to find the cache as some sort of failure? Thanks for posting the survey, it has been very interesting to read everyone replies. In liberty, Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 23 22:49:05 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bob Renner) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:49:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another Geocacher out of work Message-ID: <20020823224905.69387.qmail@web40404.mail.yahoo.com> Well, another geocacher has more free time on his hands than desired. The company I was with has been up and down for the past 10 months and it's more down than up right now. Soooo... if anyone knows of any companies looking for hardware design engineers, let me know. Bob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 23 22:53:59 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:53:59 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Question about a survey answer In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020823131509.0314eaf0@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: <003a01c24af7$f8c40a50$026fa8c0@OUR> > This goes hand in hand with a question that I asked a number > of months ago > about no-find logs. Many people won't post no-find logs but > will post a > note saying that they couldn't find the cache. Why is this? > Do you look > at not being able to find the cache as some sort of failure? I'm probably repeating the same response I made to your original post way-back-when, Scott, but I think we need to remember that there is probably a stronger inhibition to posting not-founds in Arizona than elsewhere, because only in Arizona can one see (and compare) that score. I emphasize this is not meant as a criticism of the statistics on azgeocaching.com; it's perhaps best described as an unintended consequence of those stats. I can speak with authority here, our team having more not-founds than any other except Team "Wyle E", and that team (actually Gidget) has more than twice as many finds as we do (I had to write that to prove I really do know the name of "The K-9 Cacher"). Steve Team Tierra Buena From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 23 23:00:10 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:00:10 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another Geocacher out of work In-Reply-To: <20020823224905.69387.qmail@web40404.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003b01c24af8$d677de80$026fa8c0@OUR> Oh, man, Bob, my heart goes out to you. Judi and I hope this is only a short-term situation for you and your family. Steve Team Tierra Buena > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On > Behalf Of Bob Renner > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 3:49 PM > To: Arizona Geocaching List > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another Geocacher out of work > > > Well, another geocacher has more free time on his > hands than desired. The company I was with has been > up and down for the past 10 months and it's more down > than up right now. Soooo... if anyone knows of any > companies looking for hardware design engineers, let > me know. > > Bob > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocachin g Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 23 23:04:21 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:04:21 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Fw: Geocaching- AZ site stewards In-Reply-To: <20020823040801.80675.qmail@web12405.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003c01c24af9$6f1f0050$026fa8c0@OUR> > This whole thing seems like such a non-issue, but i know it is real to many people. > Question; should we contact Land Stewards is other parts of the state? If so, who might I > contact in the Payson area? I am pretty new at this, but I will help if I can. > Allyn Moore Allyn, I've been waiting to see if anyone else was going to offer you any suggestions, and since no one has, I figured I'd reply so you wouldn't think you were being ignored. Your question is simple, but I suspect it puts most of us into that "deer in the headlights" freeze. The reason for that is simple: There is no one who can really give you an authoritative answer, because there is no one in authority. We don't have any formal organization, officers, and such. Brian and Jason, who run this website and list server out of the goodness of their hearts, sometimes become our "press secretaries" simply because they are probably the most accessible cachers in the state to the general public. But I guarantee you we don't pay them enough to do that, and they probably didn't realize it would become part of their job descriptions when they decided to put up the site. Other than that, there's no one making policy for Geocachers in this state, and no one who's been elected to speak on our behalf. Further, I suspect many if not most of us like the informality of that anarchy (in the formal, best sense of the word). There are a few organizations in other states and metropolitan areas, but I'll bet they number less than a dozen in the US. So the decision of whether to contact Land Stewards in the Payson area is yours. If you want to pursue it, perhaps an email to Jill McCormick (jill@mackrackit-companies.com) might provide you with some contacts up your way. She is the Land Steward with whom Ken ("WhereRWee") has been corresponding. I just swiped her email address from Ken's earlier posting. Steve Team Tierra Buena PS (to all): In the aftermath of the "Republic" article, I would have thought someone else would have raised this question by now: Whether we want it or not, do we need it? Is it time to start thinking about forming an "Arizona Geocachers Association"? (This should generate a posting or two, I would think...) From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 23 23:06:10 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:06:10 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Question about a survey answer References: <003a01c24af7$f8c40a50$026fa8c0@OUR> Message-ID: <000b01c24af9$acafa6e0$8310b83f@fishkiller> maybe we should use the note thing as we attempted this cache at this time...as I feel a no find is used once all other options are exhausted... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Team Tierra Buena" To: Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 3:53 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Question about a survey answer > > This goes hand in hand with a question that I asked a number > > of months ago > > about no-find logs. Many people won't post no-find logs but > > will post a > > note saying that they couldn't find the cache. Why is this? > > Do you look > > at not being able to find the cache as some sort of failure? > > I'm probably repeating the same response I made to your original post > way-back-when, Scott, but I think we need to remember that there is > probably a stronger inhibition to posting not-founds in Arizona than > elsewhere, because only in Arizona can one see (and compare) that score. > I emphasize this is not meant as a criticism of the statistics on > azgeocaching.com; it's perhaps best described as an unintended > consequence of those stats. > > I can speak with authority here, our team having more not-founds than > any other except Team "Wyle E", and that team (actually Gidget) has more > than twice as many finds as we do (I had to write that to prove I really > do know the name of "The K-9 Cacher"). > > Steve > Team Tierra Buena > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 23 23:05:57 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Chelby Geiss) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:05:57 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another Geocacher out of work In-Reply-To: <20020823224905.69387.qmail@web40404.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have lots of practice at the job hunt voodoo dance...so I do it now for you!!!! Kev was out of work for 11 months and just started a new job this past monday. Other friends in his field (unix/C++) have also very recently found jobs! So I offer words of encouragement...things have definitely picked up in the last few weeks! Kev will keep his eye out for jobs in your area of expertise! Our fingers are crossed for you and all the out of work cachers because you guys crossed your fingers for us! Team desertSol Chelby & Kevin + Kiva and Lancer (German Shepherds) Apache Junction, AZ www.desertsol.com/~chelby/geocaching From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 23 23:07:34 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Eric Quinn) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:07:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another Geocacher out of work In-Reply-To: <20020823224905.69387.qmail@web40404.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020823230734.69701.qmail@web13113.mail.yahoo.com> --- Bob Renner wrote: > Well, another geocacher has more free time on his > hands than desired. Heck Bob, I'm sorry to hear that. At least you won't be lonely in spirit. Anything specific regarding hardware design? Eric Team Dragon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 23 23:07:54 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Larry Farquhar) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:07:54 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Top 5 fav caches? In-Reply-To: <60.24df8197.2a980d95@aol.com> Message-ID: <004e01c24af9$e9895980$3701a8c0@LARRY> Listing the top 5 caches is very difficult. Top 5 for difficulty? Top 5 for scenic? Top 5 for best adventure? Top 5 for 4WD trail? Top 5 for hike? Top 5 for historical value? I know - you mean Top 5 overall. That's what I can't decide. Overall changes for me, based on different selection criteria. I'm often asked what are my favorite caches in Arizona. I have a special memory for about half of the caches I've found in Arizona. Any one of them could be in my top 5 list, depending on what I'm rating them on. I guess there's about 150 more caches in Arizona that could be in my favorites list - once I find them. Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of CCoolman74@aol.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 3:14 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Top 5 fav caches? Hi everyone, I'm Cache-meifucan. I've posted a few times on here but not often enough to pretend to know what's going on, or consider myself an active poster, but that's going to change now. :o) In light of the recent survey, I was just curious as to what people's top 5 caches they have found were. I'm just going to sit down and do my own list so it'll be up later. Thanks in advance and happy caching! Chris Cache-meifucan _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 23 23:08:59 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Cody Brown) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:08:59 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another Geocacher out of work Message-ID: Bob, Sorry to hear that. I've been there too many times. Now its time to get out there and give Wyle some competition. Do you think you could find 100 caches in a month? Good luck, Cody |---------+---------------------------------------------> | | Bob Renner | | | Sent by: | | | az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeo| | | caching.com | | | | | | | | | 08/23/02 03:49 PM | | | Please respond to listserv | | | | |---------+---------------------------------------------> >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: Arizona Geocaching List | | cc: | | Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another Geocacher out of work | >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| Well, another geocacher has more free time on his hands than desired. The company I was with has been up and down for the past 10 months and it's more down than up right now. Soooo... if anyone knows of any companies looking for hardware design engineers, let me know. Bob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 23 23:10:11 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Larry Farquhar) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:10:11 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another Geocacher out of work In-Reply-To: <20020823224905.69387.qmail@web40404.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004f01c24afa$3b17a540$3701a8c0@LARRY> Wish I could help you Bob, but my company is a little shaky also. I'll keep my ears open. Good Luck in the job hunt - or will that be cache hunts? :) Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Bob Renner Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 3:49 PM To: Arizona Geocaching List Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another Geocacher out of work Well, another geocacher has more free time on his hands than desired. The company I was with has been up and down for the past 10 months and it's more down than up right now. Soooo... if anyone knows of any companies looking for hardware design engineers, let me know. Bob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 23 23:47:09 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:47:09 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Question about a survey answer In-Reply-To: <000b01c24af9$acafa6e0$8310b83f@fishkiller> References: <003a01c24af7$f8c40a50$026fa8c0@OUR> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020823164539.026a5e40@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 04:06 PM 8/23/2002 -0700, you wrote: >maybe we should use the note thing as we attempted this cache at this >time...as I feel a no find is used once all other options are exhausted... Why do you feel that way? Are you saying that you should only log a no-find if you never plan on actually finding the cache in the future? I don't think you are being honest with the game if you go out and spend time at "ground zero" without finding the cache and not logging it as a no-find, even if you go back and find it later. In liberty, Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 23 23:49:26 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:49:26 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Top 5 fav caches? In-Reply-To: <60.24df8197.2a980d95@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020823164857.026a4160@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 06:13 PM 8/23/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Hi everyone, > >I'm Cache-meifucan. I've posted a few times on here but not often enough to >pretend to know what's going on, or consider myself an active poster, but >that's going to change now. :o) In light of the recent survey, I was just >curious as to what people's top 5 caches they have found were. I'm just >going to sit down and do my own list so it'll be up later. Thanks in advance >and happy caching! I will have to give it a little thought, but will come up with a list. Of course I don't have quite as deep of a pool as others do. :-) In liberty, Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 24 00:02:10 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: 23 Aug 2002 17:02:10 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Fw: Geocaching- AZ site stewards In-Reply-To: <003c01c24af9$6f1f0050$026fa8c0@OUR> References: <003c01c24af9$6f1f0050$026fa8c0@OUR> Message-ID: <1030147330.3365.27.camel@fone.snaptek.com> On Fri, 2002-08-23 at 16:04, Team Tierra Buena wrote: > Allyn, I've been waiting to see if anyone else was going to offer you > any suggestions, and since no one has, I figured I'd reply so you > wouldn't think you were being ignored. Your question is simple, but I > suspect it puts most of us into that "deer in the headlights" freeze. > The reason for that is simple: There is no one who can really give you > an authoritative answer, because there is no one in authority. I know I don't mind passing along what the majority of the people on the list have expressed, but I always refer anyone that asked for hard policies to the official site or Jeremy. I see our site as more of a watering hole, or a VAR for geocaching in arizona, but nothing official. I wouldn't mind being considered the official watering hole, but everyone else has to determin that, and I think that people have to some extent. > We don't have any formal organization, officers, and such. Brian and > Jason, who run this website and list server out of the goodness of their > hearts, sometimes become our "press secretaries" simply because they are > probably the most accessible cachers in the state to the general public. It does seem that way all of a sudden, although I have been refering most of the people looking for answers to Bob Renner for another voice, so they don't have to take my word for it. I've chose Bob because of his past media experience, and he tends to be very good with people. > But I guarantee you we don't pay them enough to do that, and they > probably didn't realize it would become part of their job descriptions > when they decided to put up the site. Other than that, there's no one > making policy for Geocachers in this state, and no one who's been > elected to speak on our behalf. Further, I suspect many if not most of > us like the informality of that anarchy (in the formal, best sense of > the word). There are a few organizations in other states and > metropolitan areas, but I'll bet they number less than a dozen in the > US. I personally don't mind talking to the reporters at all. It might get annoying if I was Jeremy since he probably have to talk to people every day, but only being affiliated with Arizona, it really limits the number of organizations I have to deal with. As long as the geocaching community doesn't mind what I have to say for them.. bring the geocachers on. Otherwise we can elect someone to stear the media inqueries to. > PS (to all): In the aftermath of the "Republic" article, I would have > thought someone else would have raised this question by now: Whether we > want it or not, do we need it? Is it time to start thinking about > forming an "Arizona Geocachers Association"? There should be a follow up article in the republic tomorrow that should take a little of the sting out of the last article, and there should be a very favorable article in the tribune in a few days and I just answered a few questions though e-mail for the Independant, but he asked for them back by noon today and I got them in at noon:20 so I don't know if he had to move onto another acticle by then. If he does do one, that one should be at least informational, and probably favorable to us. I know that I have had a crash course in journalism in a past few weeks, I would now not be very suprised to see an article detailing how geocachers would spread the west nile virus because of how much more we are outside and therefore more likely to get an infectious mosquito bite, and of course the article would probably sounds like we are all carriers... whatever. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 24 00:30:10 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jim Scotti) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 17:30:10 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Fw: Geocaching- AZ site stewards In-Reply-To: <1030147330.3365.27.camel@fone.snaptek.com> Message-ID: On 23 Aug 2002, Brian Cluff wrote: > I know I don't mind passing along what the majority of the people on the > list have expressed, but I always refer anyone that asked for hard > policies to the official site or Jeremy. I see our site as more of a > watering hole, or a VAR for geocaching in arizona, but nothing > official. I wouldn't mind being considered the official watering hole, > but everyone else has to determin that, and I think that people have to > some extent. For most of us, I think we probably all consider your site our official watering hole. It sure quenches our thirst for Arizona related caching quite well! > There should be a follow up article in the republic tomorrow that should > take a little of the sting out of the last article, and there should be > a very favorable article in the tribune in a few days and I just > answered a few questions though e-mail for the Independant, but he asked > for them back by noon today and I got them in at noon:20 so I don't know > if he had to move onto another acticle by then. If he does do one, that > one should be at least informational, and probably favorable to us. > I know that I have had a crash course in journalism in a past few weeks, > I would now not be very suprised to see an article detailing how > geocachers would spread the west nile virus because of how much more we > are outside and therefore more likely to get an infectious mosquito > bite, and of course the article would probably sounds like we are all > carriers... whatever. I'll look forward to seeing it. Jim. Jim Scotti Lunar & Planetary Laboratory jscotti@pirl.lpl.arizona.edu University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 USA http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 24 01:05:54 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (loran wilcox) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:05:54 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another Geocacher out of work References: <20020823224905.69387.qmail@web40404.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002901c24b0a$65e29720$0400a8c0@one> Bob Hope you have luck in landing a new job. With the market the way it is; my advice is to not let it get to you. I've been through three layoffs in the past 4 years and with the first two I would sit around waiting for the phone to ring. With this last one I decided to use my free time for something I enjoyed and not just sit around the house. That is the main reason I was able to find so many caches but I also got to see a lot of Arizona. Of course that will come to and end as I do have a new job even if it is in Michigan. I will miss Arizona and hope to be able to return some day. Also the record is 101 in 30 days. Shouldn't be too hard to beat. Enjoy. Loran (Team Sand Dollar) ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Renner To: Arizona Geocaching List Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 3:49 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another Geocacher out of work > Well, another geocacher has more free time on his > hands than desired. The company I was with has been > up and down for the past 10 months and it's more down > than up right now. Soooo... if anyone knows of any > companies looking for hardware design engineers, let > me know. > > Bob > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 24 01:23:27 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:23:27 -0700 Subject: Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another Geocacher out of work Message-ID: <002c01c24b0c$d97b4360$1900a8c0@FBIDaemon> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C24AD2.2CF49810 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bob, I know completely how you feel. Today happens to be my one-year = anniversary of my layoff from Motorola. Had I chosen not to take the = promotion, I would still be there, but that's neither here nor there. = Getting laid off 3 weeks before 9/11 is murder on job prospects too. It = took 3 months to find a crappy job that didn't even cover my bills, but = supplemented my severance, until 3 months later when I landed a job = OUTSIDE my then career field, which STILL pays less than I earned = before. The economy isn't recovering nearly as well as anyone would have hoped. = Many of the guys I worked with in IT have also found jobs, but as with = my situation, they all pay less. It's now an employer's market, and = we're left with the scraps they want to offer. Keep your chin up, and something will come along that is right in your = field of expertise. Brian Team A.I. I haven't lost my mind. It's backed up on disk somewhere. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C24AD2.2CF49810 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bob,

I know completely how you feel. = Today happens=20 to be my one-year anniversary of my layoff from Motorola. Had I = chosen not=20 to take the promotion, I would still be there, but that's neither here = nor=20 there. Getting laid off 3 weeks before 9/11 is murder on job = prospects=20 too. It took 3 months to find a crappy job that didn't even cover = my=20 bills, but supplemented my severance, until 3 months later when I landed = a job=20 OUTSIDE my then career field, which STILL pays less than I earned=20 before.

The economy isn't recovering nearly as = well as=20 anyone would have hoped. Many of the guys I worked with in IT have = also=20 found jobs, but as with my situation, they all pay less. It's now = an=20 employer's market, and we're left with the scraps they want to=20 offer.

Keep your chin up, and something will = come along=20 that is right in your field of expertise.

Brian

Team A.I.

I haven't lost my mind. It's = backed up on=20 disk somewhere.
------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C24AD2.2CF49810-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 24 01:23:37 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken Akerman) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:23:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Is unemployment higher among geocachers than the general population? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020503130304.00a72920@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: <20020824012338.7969.qmail@web21107.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1887685689-1030152217=:7963 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am sorry to see that Bob Renner has lost his job. I hope he finds a new job soon and is not forced to move away from Arizona to a state with an inferior quality of life, as Loran Wilcox is having to do by moving to Grand Rapids. Why are so many geocachers losing their jobs? Is there something about the personality or work ethics of geocachers that makes them less likely to succeed in the business world? Does geocaching impede career success? (Perhaps geocachers spend so much time looking for caches that they fail to put maximum effort into their jobs). Also, with one of our leading geocachers being forced to move out of Arizona to find employment, is this a bad reflection on the economy of Arizona? According to some authors and writers that I've read, many Arizonans supposedly have to move out of Arizona to find jobs that pay well and are compatible with their skills and educational attainment. Michigan has had a reputation of being one of the most economically disadvantaged states in the USA - but apparently, Arizona is even more economically disadvantaged than Arizona, because one of us can find a job in Michigan but not in Arizona. I'm looking for a new job because I am not happy at my current employment, but since I am working for a government agency, it is hard to fire me unless I really screw up badly or commit an act of gross misconduct. However, I've been submitting my resume to several organizations, and I have an interview scheduled at a Stantec Consulting next week and with the Town of Gilbert (at a office near Gilbert Historical Museum) in two weeks. Hopefully I can move on to more interesting work at a better place for me. Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) --0-1887685689-1030152217=:7963 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I am sorry to see that Bob Renner has lost his job. I hope he finds a new job soon and is not forced to move away from Arizona to a state with an inferior quality of life, as Loran Wilcox is having to do by moving to Grand Rapids.
Why are so many geocachers losing their jobs? Is there something about the personality or work ethics of geocachers that makes them less likely to succeed in the business world? Does geocaching impede career success? (Perhaps geocachers spend so much time looking for caches that they fail to put maximum effort into their jobs).
Also, with one of our leading geocachers being forced to move out of Arizona to find employment, is this a bad reflection on the economy of Arizona? According to some authors and writers that I've read, many Arizonans supposedly have to move out of Arizona to find jobs that pay well and are compatible with their skills and educational attainment. Michigan has had a reputation of being one of the most economically disadvantaged states in the USA - but apparently, Arizona is even more economically disadvantaged than Arizona, because one of us can find a job in Michigan but not in Arizona.
I'm looking for a new job because I am not happy at my current employment, but since I am working for a government agency, it is hard to fire me unless I really screw up badly or commit an act of gross misconduct. However, I've been submitting my resume to several organizations, and I have an interview scheduled at a Stantec Consulting next week and with the Town of Gilbert (at a office near Gilbert Historical Museum) in two weeks. Hopefully I can move on to more interesting work at a better place for me.
Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer)
--0-1887685689-1030152217=:7963-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 24 01:25:35 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jan Allbright) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:25:35 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another Geocacher out of work In-Reply-To: <002901c24b0a$65e29720$0400a8c0@one> Message-ID: <025501c24b0d$2677d200$561b150a@earthdog> Sounds like another survey.... Geocacher's Lay'd Off Hang in there! You are not alone! Think of it this way... where else could you get paid $205 / wk to hunt caches and benchmarks? - Raoul -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of loran wilcox Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 18:06 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Another Geocacher out of work Bob Hope you have luck in landing a new job. With the market the way it is; my advice is to not let it get to you. I've been through three layoffs in the past 4 years and with the first two I would sit around waiting for the phone to ring. With this last one I decided to use my free time for something I enjoyed and not just sit around the house. That is the main reason I was able to find so many caches but I also got to see a lot of Arizona. Of course that will come to and end as I do have a new job even if it is in Michigan. I will miss Arizona and hope to be able to return some day. Also the record is 101 in 30 days. Shouldn't be too hard to beat. Enjoy. Loran (Team Sand Dollar) ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Renner To: Arizona Geocaching List Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 3:49 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another Geocacher out of work > Well, another geocacher has more free time on his > hands than desired. The company I was with has been > up and down for the past 10 months and it's more down > than up right now. Soooo... if anyone knows of any > companies looking for hardware design engineers, let > me know. > > Bob > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 24 02:17:38 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 19:17:38 -0700 Subject: Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another Geocacher out of work In-Reply-To: <002c01c24b0c$d97b4360$1900a8c0@FBIDaemon> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020823191449.0299d930@mail.myblueheaven.com> --=====================_261248250==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:23 PM 8/23/2002 -0700, you wrote: > >The economy isn't recovering nearly as well as anyone would have >hoped. Many of the guys I worked with in IT have also found jobs, but as >with my situation, they all pay less. It's now an employer's market, and >we're left with the scraps they want to offer. I can't speak for larger companies, and can only speak for the small business that I own, but my take home pay has dropped 75% since Sept. 11. I kept my employees and they still get paid, but with the slump in business it doesn't leave much for me. My problem is that I am working just as many hours as I did when I was making more money so there hasn't been any more time for geocaching. :-( You are right, the economy isn't recovering nearly as well as would be nice, but it will come around, just have to hold on until it does. In liberty, Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com --=====================_261248250==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 06:23 PM 8/23/2002 -0700, you wrote:

The economy isn't recovering nearly as well as anyone would have hoped. Many of the guys I worked with in IT have also found jobs, but as with my situation, they all pay less. It's now an employer's market, and we're left with the scraps they want to offer.

I can't speak for larger companies, and can only speak for the small business that I own, but my take home pay has dropped 75% since Sept. 11. I kept my employees and they still get paid, but with the slump in business it doesn't leave much for me. My problem is that I am working just as many hours as I did when I was making more money so there hasn't been any more time for geocaching. :-(

You are right, the economy isn't recovering nearly as well as would be nice, but it will come around, just have to hold on until it does.

In liberty,

Scott

wood@myblueheaven.com

www.myblueheaven.com
--=====================_261248250==_.ALT-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 24 02:36:50 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bill Burkett) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 19:36:50 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] survey of sorts... In-Reply-To: <001d01c24a0f$b006dd80$8410b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C24ADC.6D3BEEA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh, what the heck... 1) How did you get introduced to Geo Caching? I'm not sure I remember. I wanted a GPS receiver for off-roading and I think learned about geocaching while researching.. 2) How long have you been a Geo Cacher? One year 3) What is your present GPS'r? Garmin eMap a) What was your first GPS'r? Garmin eMap b) How many units have you owned? 1 c) What unit(s) would you recommend to new cachers? I really like my eMap, but I encourage people to look at all kinds of units and decide for themselves. 4) How long did it take to locate your first cache? 10 minutes once we were in the area. Overall, it took all afternoon because my desktop software wasn't using the same units as the eMap, so nothing was quite where it should have been; and I mistook a trail for a road and we had to figure another way in. 5) What has been your most memorable cache? Mingus/Take Your Breath Away (to watch what people do there) and Lake Pleasant (a lovely hike) a) Why? 6) What has been your least favorite cache? What a View! because the location is kind of dangerous. a) Why? 7) What factors dictate which cache you go looking for? Whether there's something interesting to see there and if it's near other caches. 8) How many other Geo Cachers have you met while on a caching hunt? Perhaps a half dozen 9) Has that meeting changed the way you cache? No 10) When unable to locate a cache how long do you search? 30-45 minutes a) How many attempts before logging a no-find? 1 b) Do you contact the cache owner for help? Sometimes c) Do you ask other cachers for help? Sometimes 11) When driving around are you tempted to go and look again at caches you have found before? No 12) What has been the best trinket in a cache? Sand dollars, although Puz-Zel's polished rocks are a close second. 13) What has been the worst trinket in a cache? Can't think of anything 14) Do you leave a signature item? No a) Are you considering your own? No b) Who has the most notable? Loran 15) When in a populated area waiting to retrieve a cache what things do you do to pass the time? Don't do urban caches a) While waiting what was the worst thing to have happen? NA b) What has been the best thing? NA 16) Do you practice Cache in Trash out? Yes 17) Your own question for others? None ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C24ADC.6D3BEEA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Oh, what=20 the heck...

1) How = did you get=20 introduced to Geo Caching?   = I'm not=20 sure I remember. I wanted a GPS receiver for off-roading and I = think=20 learned about geocaching while researching..

2) How long have = you been a=20 Geo Cacher?   One=20 year

3) What is your present GPS'r?   Garmin = eMap

    a) What was your first = GPS'r?   Garmin=20 eMap
    b) How many units have = you=20 owned?  =20 1

    c) What unit(s) would you = recommend to new=20 cachers?   I really=20 like my eMap, but I encourage people to look at all kinds of units and = decide=20 for themselves.

4) How long did it take to locate your first = cache?   10 minutes = once we=20 were in the area. Overall, it took all afternoon because my = desktop=20 software wasn't using the same units as the eMap, so nothing = was quite=20 where it should have been; and I mistook a trail for a road and we had = to figure=20 another way in.

5) What has been your most memorable cache?   = Mingus/Take Your=20 Breath Away (to watch what people do there) and Lake Pleasant (a = lovely=20 hike)

    a) Why?

6) What has been your least favorite cache?   What a = View! because=20 the location is kind of dangerous.

    a) Why?

7) What factors dictate which cache you go looking = for?   Whether = there's=20 something interesting to see there and if it's near other=20 caches.

8) How many other Geo Cachers have you met while on = a caching=20 hunt?   = Perhaps a=20 half dozen

9) Has that meeting changed the way you cache?  =20 No

10) When unable to locate a cache how long do you = search?   30-45=20 minutes

    a) How many attempts before = logging a=20 no-find?  =20 1

    b) Do you contact the cache owner = for=20 help?   = Sometimes

    c) Do you ask other cachers for=20 help?   Sometimes

11) When driving around are you tempted to go and = look again=20 at caches you have found before?   No

12) What has been the best trinket in a cache?   Sand = dollars, although=20 Puz-Zel's polished rocks are a close second.

13) What has been the worst trinket in a cache?   Can't = think of=20 anything

14) Do you leave a signature item?  =20 No

    a) Are you considering your = own?  =20 No

    b) Who has the most notable?  =20 Loran

15) When in a populated area waiting = to retrieve a cache=20 what things do you do to pass the time?   Don't do urban=20 caches

    a) While waiting what was the = worst thing=20 to have happen? =20 NA

    b) What has been the best = thing?  =20 NA

16) Do you practice Cache in Trash out?  =20 Yes

17) Your own question for others?  =20 None
------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C24ADC.6D3BEEA0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 24 02:51:08 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 22:51:08 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Question about a survey answer Message-ID: No What I am saying is that I won;t log a no find until I/We have exhausted all options. logging a note will let others know you went looking...another reason is that 99.99999% of the time I find a cache is when I am with a team member when I am by myself I am blind as a deaf bat... On Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:47:09 -0700 Scott Wood wrote: > At 04:06 PM 8/23/2002 -0700, you wrote: > >maybe we should use the note thing as we > attempted this cache at this > >time...as I feel a no find is used once all > other options are exhausted... > > Why do you feel that way? Are you saying that > you should only log a > no-find if you never plan on actually finding > the cache in the future? I > don't think you are being honest with the game > if you go out and spend time > at "ground zero" without finding the cache and > not logging it as a no-find, > even if you go back and find it later. > > > In liberty, > > Scott > > wood@myblueheaven.com > www.myblueheaven.com > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 24 04:09:34 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 00:09:34 EDT Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Survey of sorts Message-ID: <9c.24ed2270.2a9860fe@aol.com> --part1_9c.24ed2270.2a9860fe_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For what it's worth...... 1) How did you get introduced to Geo Caching? CBX2 told us about it and then sold us their GPS. 2) How long have you been a Geo Cacher? 15 months 3) What is your present GPS'r? Garmin Emap and Garmin III a) What was your first GPS'r? Garmin III b) How many units have you owned? 2 c) What unit(s) would you recommend to new cachers? I don't like the Emap. 4) How long did it take to locate your first cache? Just a few minutes as we were camping with CBX2 at the site of Pioneers Remembered. 5) What has been your most memorable cache? There have been two: Mad, Mad, Mad World and City View in San Diego a) Why? We got caught at City View and found a creative way out of it. Mad, Mad Mad World tested our knowledge of the East Valley. 6) What has been your least favorite cache? Sende De Tonto a) Why? We hit it in the middle of the day in the middle of the summer and I didn't think we were going to make it out of the canyon. 7) What factors dictate which cache you go looking for? Location and difficulty 8) How many other Geo Cachers have you met while on a caching hunt? Very few. Wish we met more, though. 9) Has that meeting changed the way you cache? Why would it? 10) When unable to locate a cache how long do you search? About 30 minutes a) How many attempts before logging a no-find? Depends b) Do you contact the cache owner for help? Sometimes c) Do you ask other cachers for help? Sometimes 11) When driving around are you tempted to go and look again at caches you have found before? Nope 12) What has been the best trinket in a cache? Nothing really stands out. 13) What has been the worst trinket in a cache? A disgusting, chewed up dog bone 14) Do you leave a signature item? Yes! A snowflake a) Are you considering your own? b) Who has the most notable? We do, of course. Second is Two Peas in a Pod. 15) When in a populated area waiting to retrieve a cache what things do you do to pass the time? Walk the dog, people watch. a) While waiting what was the worst thing to have happen? More people show up b) What has been the best thing? They leave! 16) Do you practice Cache in Trash out? As often as possible 17) Your own question for others? None --part1_9c.24ed2270.2a9860fe_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For what it's worth......

1) How did you get introduced to Geo Caching?   CBX2 told us about it and then sold us their GPS.
2) How long have you been a Geo Cacher?   15 months
3) What is your present GPS'r?    Garmin Emap and Garmin III
    a) What was your first GPS'r?   Garmin III
    b) How many units have you owned?   2
    c) What unit(s) would you recommend to new cachers?   I don't like the Emap.

4) How long did it take to locate your first cache?   Just a few minutes as we were camping with CBX2 at the site of Pioneers Remembered.
5) What has been your most memorable cache?   There have been two: Mad, Mad, Mad World and City View in San Diego
    a) Why? We got caught at City View and found a creative way out of it. Mad, Mad Mad World tested our knowledge of the East Valley.
6) What has been your least favorite cache?   Sende De Tonto
    a) Why? We hit it in the middle of the day in the middle of the summer and I didn't think we were going to make it out of the canyon.
7) What factors dictate which cache you go looking for?   Location and difficulty
8) How many other Geo Cachers have you met while on a caching hunt?   Very few. Wish we met more, though.
9) Has that meeting changed the way you cache?   Why would it?
10) When unable to locate a cache how long do you search?   About 30 minutes
    a) How many attempts before logging a no-find?   Depends
    b) Do you contact the cache owner for help?   Sometimes
    c) Do you ask other cachers for help?   Sometimes
11) When driving around are you tempted to go and look again at caches you have found before?   Nope
12) What has been the best trinket in a cache?   Nothing really stands out.
13) What has been the worst trinket in a cache?   A disgusting, chewed up dog bone
14) Do you leave a signature item?   Yes! A snowflake
    a) Are you considering your own?
    b) Who has the most notable?   We do, of course. Second is Two Peas in a Pod.
15) When in a populated area waiting to retrieve a cache what things do you do to pass the time?   Walk the dog, people watch.
    a) While waiting what was the worst thing to have happen? More people show up
    b) What has been the best thing?   They leave!
16) Do you practice Cache in Trash out?   As often as possible
17) Your own question for others?   None

--part1_9c.24ed2270.2a9860fe_boundary-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 24 04:28:48 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Eric Quinn) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 21:28:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Is unemployment higher among geocachers than the general population? In-Reply-To: <20020824012338.7969.qmail@web21107.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020824042848.2389.qmail@web13115.mail.yahoo.com> --- Ken Akerman wrote: > Why are so many geocachers losing their jobs? Is > there something about the personality or work ethics > of geocachers that makes them less likely to succeed > in the business world? Does geocaching impede > career success? (Perhaps geocachers spend so much > time looking for caches that they fail to put > maximum effort into their jobs). I think that the greater percentage of cachers tend to work in a field related to high tech. The people who have said what they did when they were laid off that I remember were usually network admins, programmers and engineers. Since many of us tend to be vocal about our hobby, there may be a perception that we aren't working as hard as other drones. I was at a reunion tonight of employees from another high-tech company and was given anecdotal information. Suppoedly, the Arizona IT industry has a 23% unemployment rate. Eric TD __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 24 04:33:22 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 21:33:22 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Is unemployment higher among geocachers than the general population? In-Reply-To: <20020824012338.7969.qmail@web21107.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901c24b27$623407e0$026fa8c0@OUR> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C24AEC.B5D52FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why are so many geocachers losing their jobs? Is there something about the personality or work ethics of geocachers that makes them less likely to succeed in the business world? Does geocaching impede career success? (Perhaps geocachers spend so much time looking for caches that they fail to put maximum effort into their jobs). I don't think it's geocachers losing their jobs. I do think that many geocachers come out of the tech, engineering, and IT areas, all of which are in particularly dire employment straits, particularly here in Arizona. I just came home less than an hour ago from a reunion of former colleagues. At one time we all worked together for what was literally the hottest software company in the country (#1 performing stock on NASDAQ in 1996). I spent 11 years there and hoped to retire from the company. It cratered, got bought for next to nothing, and most of us got laid off or quit. I would estimate that of the 30-40 people who showed up this evening, fully half were either unemployed or have found jobs after being unemployed for six months or more. So far as I know, I was the only cacher there. I'm looking for a new job because I am not happy at my current employment, but since I am working for a government agency, it is hard to fire me unless I really screw up badly or commit an act of gross misconduct. However, I've been submitting my resume to several organizations, and I have an interview scheduled at a Stantec Consulting next week and with the Town of Gilbert (at a office near Gilbert Historical Museum) in two weeks. Hopefully I can move on to more interesting work at a better place for me. Good luck with the interviews, Ken. Hope you find something you enjoy. Steve Team Tierra Buena ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C24AEC.B5D52FE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Why are so many geocachers losing their jobs? Is there = something=20 about the personality or work ethics of geocachers that makes them less = likely=20 to succeed in the business world? Does geocaching impede career=20 success? (Perhaps geocachers spend so much time looking for caches = that=20 they fail to put maximum effort into their jobs).

I don't think it's geocachers losing = their jobs. I do=20 think that many geocachers come out of the tech, engineering, and = IT areas,=20 all of which are in particularly dire employment straits, particularly = here in=20 Arizona.

I=20 just came home less than an hour ago from a reunion of former=20 colleagues. At one time we all worked together for what was literally = the=20 hottest software company in the country (#1 performing stock on NASDAQ = in 1996).=20 I spent 11 years there and hoped to retire from the company. It = cratered, got=20 bought for next to nothing, and most of us got laid off or quit. I would = estimate that of the 30-40 people who showed up this evening, fully half = were=20 either unemployed or have found jobs after being unemployed for six = months or=20 more. So far as I know, I was the only cacher there.

I'm looking for a new = job=20 because I am not happy at my current employment, but since I am working = for a=20 government agency, it is hard to fire me unless I really screw up badly = or=20 commit an act of gross misconduct. However, I've been submitting = my resume=20 to several organizations, and I have an interview scheduled at a Stantec = Consulting next week and with the Town of Gilbert (at a office near Gilb= ert=20 Historical Museum) in two weeks. Hopefully I can move on to = more=20 interesting work at a better place for me.

Good=20 luck with the interviews, Ken. Hope you find something you=20 enjoy.

Steve

Team=20 Tierra Buena
------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C24AEC.B5D52FE0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 24 04:46:19 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Eric Quinn) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 21:46:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Top 5 fav caches? In-Reply-To: <60.24df8197.2a980d95@aol.com> Message-ID: <20020824044619.1041.qmail@web13105.mail.yahoo.com> This may make a good page for the AZ geocaching web site. Make up several categories and vote on each one. It may give people some idea of which caches the community finds best overall. Possible topics: Best puzzle cache Best urban park cache Cache at the end of the best 4x4 trail Cache at the end of the best scenic hike Best urban mountain cache Best camouflaged cache Most amusing cache Strangest Cache Most original __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 24 05:11:45 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 22:11:45 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Is unemployment higher among geocachers than the general population? In-Reply-To: <000901c24b27$623407e0$026fa8c0@OUR> Message-ID: <007901c24b2c$be1b4e60$1e01a8c0@connie> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007A_01C24AF2.11BC7660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MessageOn Behalf Of Team Tierra Buena I just came home less than an hour ago from a reunion of former colleagues.So far as I know, I was the only cacher there. EricTD wrote: I was at a reunion tonight of employees from another high-tech company..... I guess you didn't get to meet Eric Quinn, either that or there were two reunions tonight. LOL Connie Team "Wyle E" -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 9:33 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Is unemployment higher among geocachers than the general population? Why are so many geocachers losing their jobs? Is there something about the personality or work ethics of geocachers that makes them less likely to succeed in the business world? Does geocaching impede career success? (Perhaps geocachers spend so much time looking for caches that they fail to put maximum effort into their jobs). I don't think it's geocachers losing their jobs. I do think that many geocachers come out of the tech, engineering, and IT areas, all of which are in particularly dire employment straits, particularly here in Arizona. At one time we all worked together for what was literally the hottest software company in the country (#1 performing stock on NASDAQ in 1996). I spent 11 years there and hoped to retire from the company. It cratered, got bought for next to nothing, and most of us got laid off or quit. I would estimate that of the 30-40 people who showed up this evening, fully half were either unemployed or have found jobs after being unemployed for six months or more. I'm looking for a new job because I am not happy at my current employment, but since I am working for a government agency, it is hard to fire me unless I really screw up badly or commit an act of gross misconduct. However, I've been submitting my resume to several organizations, and I have an interview scheduled at a Stantec Consulting next week and with the Town of Gilbert (at a office near Gilbert Historical Museum) in two weeks. Hopefully I can move on to more interesting work at a better place for me. Good luck with the interviews, Ken. Hope you find something you enjoy. Steve Team Tierra Buena ------=_NextPart_000_007A_01C24AF2.11BC7660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
On Behalf = Of=20 Team Tierra Buena
I just came home less than = an hour=20 ago from a reunion of former colleagues.So far as I know, = I was=20 the only cacher there.

EricTD wrote:=20 I was at a reunion = tonight of=20 employees from another high-tech = company.....

I guess you = didn't get=20 to meet Eric Quinn, either that or there were two reunions=20 tonight.

LOL

Connie

Team "Wyle=20 E"

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: = az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]Sent: = Friday,=20 August 23, 2002 9:33 PM
To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Is=20 unemployment higher among geocachers than the general=20 population?

Why are so many geocachers losing their jobs? Is there = something=20 about the personality or work ethics of geocachers that makes them = less likely=20 to succeed in the business world? Does geocaching impede career=20 success? (Perhaps geocachers spend so much time looking for = caches that=20 they fail to put maximum effort into their jobs).

I don't think=20 it's geocachers losing their jobs. I do think that many = geocachers come=20 out of the tech, engineering, and IT areas, all of which are in=20 particularly dire employment straits, particularly here in=20 Arizona.

At = one time we=20 all worked together for what was literally the hottest software = company in the=20 country (#1 performing stock on NASDAQ in 1996). I spent 11 years = there and=20 hoped to retire from the company. It cratered, got bought for next to = nothing,=20 and most of us got laid off or quit. I would estimate that of the = 30-40 people=20 who showed up this evening, fully half were either unemployed or have = found=20 jobs after being unemployed for six months or more. =

I'm looking for a = new job=20 because I am not happy at my current employment, but since I am = working for a=20 government agency, it is hard to fire me unless I really screw up = badly or=20 commit an act of gross misconduct. However, I've been submitting = my=20 resume to several organizations, and I have an interview scheduled at = a=20 Stantec Consulting next week and with the Town of Gilbert (at a office = near Gilb= ert=20 Historical Museum) in two weeks. Hopefully I can move on to = more=20 interesting work at a better place for me.

Good luck = with the=20 interviews, Ken. Hope you find something you = enjoy.

Steve

Team = Tierra=20 Buena
------=_NextPart_000_007A_01C24AF2.11BC7660-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 24 05:21:55 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 22:21:55 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Is unemployment higher among geocachers than the general population? In-Reply-To: <007901c24b2c$be1b4e60$1e01a8c0@connie> Message-ID: <001901c24b2e$2a06c220$026fa8c0@OUR> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C24AF3.7DA7EA20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I noticed that. Either "Eric" is a pseudonym (because I knew everyone at my reunion by name) or there just happened to be two events tonight. Steve Team Tierra Buena -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of connie.farquhar@cox.net Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 10:12 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Is unemployment higher among geocachers than the general population? On Behalf Of Team Tierra Buena I just came home less than an hour ago from a reunion of former colleagues.So far as I know, I was the only cacher there. EricTD wrote: I was at a reunion tonight of employees from another high-tech company..... I guess you didn't get to meet Eric Quinn, either that or there were two reunions tonight. LOL Connie Team "Wyle E" -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 9:33 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Is unemployment higher among geocachers than the general population? Why are so many geocachers losing their jobs? Is there something about the personality or work ethics of geocachers that makes them less likely to succeed in the business world? Does geocaching impede career success? (Perhaps geocachers spend so much time looking for caches that they fail to put maximum effort into their jobs). I don't think it's geocachers losing their jobs. I do think that many geocachers come out of the tech, engineering, and IT areas, all of which are in particularly dire employment straits, particularly here in Arizona. At one time we all worked together for what was literally the hottest software company in the country (#1 performing stock on NASDAQ in 1996). I spent 11 years there and hoped to retire from the company. It cratered, got bought for next to nothing, and most of us got laid off or quit. I would estimate that of the 30-40 people who showed up this evening, fully half were either unemployed or have found jobs after being unemployed for six months or more. I'm looking for a new job because I am not happy at my current employment, but since I am working for a government agency, it is hard to fire me unless I really screw up badly or commit an act of gross misconduct. However, I've been submitting my resume to several organizations, and I have an interview scheduled at a Stantec Consulting next week and with the Town of Gilbert (at a office near Gilbert Historical Museum) in two weeks. Hopefully I can move on to more interesting work at a better place for me. Good luck with the interviews, Ken. Hope you find something you enjoy. Steve Team Tierra Buena ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C24AF3.7DA7EA20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
I=20 noticed that. Either "Eric" is a pseudonym (because I knew everyone = at my=20 reunion by name) or there just happened to be two events=20 tonight.

Steve

Team=20 Tierra Buena

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = connie.farquhar@cox.net
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 = 10:12=20 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: RE:=20 [Az-Geocaching] Is unemployment higher among geocachers than the = general=20 population?

On Behalf = Of=20 Team Tierra Buena
I just came home less = than an=20 hour ago from a reunion of former colleagues.So far as I = know, I=20 was the only cacher there.

EricTD=20 wrote: I was at a = reunion=20 tonight of employees from another=20 high-tech company.....=20

I guess = you didn't get=20 to meet Eric Quinn, either that or there were two reunions=20 tonight.

LOL

Connie

Team "Wyle = E"

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: = az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]Sent: = Friday,=20 August 23, 2002 9:33 PM
To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Is=20 unemployment higher among geocachers than the general=20 population?

Why are so many geocachers losing their jobs? Is there = something=20 about the personality or work ethics of geocachers that makes them = less=20 likely to succeed in the business world? Does geocaching = impede career=20 success? (Perhaps geocachers spend so much time looking for = caches=20 that they fail to put maximum effort into their jobs).

I don't think=20 it's geocachers losing their jobs. I do think that many = geocachers come=20 out of the tech, engineering, and IT areas, all of which are in = particularly dire employment straits, particularly here in=20 Arizona.

At = one time we=20 all worked together for what was literally the hottest software = company in=20 the country (#1 performing stock on NASDAQ in 1996). I spent 11 = years there=20 and hoped to retire from the company. It cratered, got bought for = next to=20 nothing, and most of us got laid off or quit. I would estimate that = of the=20 30-40 people who showed up this evening, fully half were either = unemployed=20 or have found jobs after being unemployed for six months or more.=20

I'm looking for a = new job=20 because I am not happy at my current employment, but since I am = working for=20 a government agency, it is hard to fire me unless I really screw up = badly or=20 commit an act of gross misconduct. However, I've been = submitting my=20 resume to several organizations, and I have an interview scheduled = at a=20 Stantec Consulting next week and with the Town of Gilbert (at a = office near=20 Gilb= ert=20 Historical Museum) in two weeks. Hopefully I can move on = to more=20 interesting work at a better place for me.

Good = luck with the=20 interviews, Ken. Hope you find something you = enjoy.

Steve

Team = Tierra=20 Buena
------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C24AF3.7DA7EA20-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 24 05:29:22 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 22:29:22 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] One Reason Cachers (and Lots of Others) are Out of Work Message-ID: <001f01c24b2f$34acef50$026fa8c0@OUR> White House Said to Pull Plug on Tech Spending By REUTERS Filed at 0:45 a.m. ET WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The White House Office of Management and Budget has ordered seven of the 22 agencies due to make up a proposed Department of Homeland Security to temporarily halt spending on more than $1 billion in information technology projects while it looks for savings and compatible technology, The Washington Post said on Saturday. "This is a temporary cease on spending" to make sure money is not wasted on projects that will have a six-month shelf life if the agencies are combined, Mark Forman, the OMB's associate director for information technology and e-government, told the paper. "That includes looking at redundancies and interoperability requirements." The OMB said ongoing projects would not be affected, but new contracts will have to be approved by a Homeland Security Investment Review Group, the Post reported. So far, the OMB suspects it can find about $300 million in savings among the agencies it has targeted with this order, the Post said. More will be examined later, it said. The OMB looked only at agencies that had proposed information technology contracts worth more than $500,000. The seven agencies had planned to spend $235 million to upgrade 21 financial management systems, according to OMB records cited by the Post. That can be consolidated into three or four programs, potentially saving $65 million to $85 million in the next two years, agency officials told the paper. "What's clear is that there are a lot of redundant investments," Forman said. He could not immediately be reached for further comment. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 24 07:00:18 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Coyote1022) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 00:00:18 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Survey Response Message-ID: Team Coyote1022 1) How did you get introduced to Geo Caching? I was looking on the internet for a site that would give me coordinates by clicking on a location on a map. One of the sites that came up on the search engine results was geocaching.com. I read the opening page and was immediately interested. 2) How long have you been a Geo Cacher? Went out within an hour of discovering geocaching.com online and found our first cache on 12JAN02 3) What is your present GPS'r? Magellan 315 a) What was your first GPS'r? Magellan 300 b) How many units have you owned? 2 c) What unit(s) would you recommend to new cachers? My 315 works great with the updated firmware. For the price, it's hard to beat, but having one with maps would be nice in unfamiliar areas when doing urban caches. 4) How long did it take to locate your first cache? The 315 took us right to it, zeroed out right on top of the cache! Beginners luck??? 5) What has been your most memorable cache? Swimming Hole Adventure GC2463 a) Why? We never knew this place existed and it is a great hike and wonderful scenery! 6) What has been your least favorite cache? Rescue Me's Hilly Hideout GC35C6 a) Why? It was our first, first find and we were reprimanded for not logging in at all the stages. 7) What factors dictate which cache you go looking for? Time available. 8) How many other Geo Cachers have you met while on a caching hunt? Two other teams. 9) Has that meeting changed the way you cache? No 10) When unable to locate a cache how long do you search? We have spent over an hour on some. a) How many attempts before logging a no-find? Usually just one unless it's because we ran out of time or something like that. b) Do you contact the cache owner for help? Not usually, but it's not a bad idea. c) Do you ask other cachers for help? Not usually, but it's not a bad idea. I'd rather just be given clues and figure it out. 11) When driving around are you tempted to go and look again at caches you have found before? Occasionally 12) What has been the best trinket in a cache? Wile E. Coyote Pocketable 13) What has been the worst trinket in a cache? Bic Lighter 14) Do you leave a signature item? No a) Are you considering your own? Yes b) Who has the most notable? Team Sand Dollar 15) When in a populated area waiting to retrieve a cache what things do you do to pass the time? Pick up trash is always a good one! Makes people wonder what's wrong with you! LOL a) While waiting what was the worst thing to have happen? N/A b) What has been the best thing? N/A 16) Do you practice Cache in Trash out? We carry an ammo can in the Jeep packed full of trash bags! They are the 55 Gallon size bags!! So YES, whenever we get the chance to do so! 17) Your own question for others? Who thinks Libby drove the buggie to hide the "Hmmmmmm" cache? From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 24 00:45:59 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team A.I.) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 17:45:59 -0700 Subject: Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Survey Response Message-ID: <001701c24b07$9dae3810$1900a8c0@FBIDaemon> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C24ACC.F1219950 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Steve (Team Tierra Buena), You wouldn't happen to be an ex-Motorolan, would u? Brian Team A.I. I haven't lost my mind. It's backed up on disk somewhere. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C24ACC.F1219950 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Steve (Team Tierra Buena),

You wouldn't happen to be an = ex-Motorolan, would=20 u?

Brian

Team A.I.

I haven't lost my mind. It's = backed up on=20 disk somewhere.
------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C24ACC.F1219950-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 24 06:43:12 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Darlene M. Flatt) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 23:43:12 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Survey Response Message-ID: Team Coyote1022 1) How did you get introduced to Geo Caching? I was looking on the internet for a site that would give me coordinates by clicking on a location on a map. One of the sites that came up on the search engine results was geocaching.com. I read the opening page and was immediately interested. 2) How long have you been a Geo Cacher? Went out within an hour of discovering geocaching.com online and found our first cache on 12JAN02 3) What is your present GPS'r? Magellan 315 a) What was your first GPS'r? Magellan 300 b) How many units have you owned? 2 c) What unit(s) would you recommend to new cachers? My 315 works great with the updated firmware. For the price, it's hard to beat, but having one with maps would be nice in unfamiliar areas when doing urban caches. 4) How long did it take to locate your first cache? The 315 took us right to it, zeroed out right on top of the cache! Beginners luck??? 5) What has been your most memorable cache? Swimming Hole Adventure GC2463 a) Why? We never knew this place existed and it is a great hike and wonderful scenery! 6) What has been your least favorite cache? Rescue Me's Hilly Hideout GC35C6 a) Why? It was our first, first find and we were reprimanded for not logging in at all the stages. 7) What factors dictate which cache you go looking for? Time available. 8) How many other Geo Cachers have you met while on a caching hunt? Two other teams. 9) Has that meeting changed the way you cache? No 10) When unable to locate a cache how long do you search? We have spent over an hour on some. a) How many attempts before logging a no-find? Usually just one unless it's because we ran out of time or something like that. b) Do you contact the cache owner for help? Not usually, but it's not a bad idea. c) Do you ask other cachers for help? Not usually, but it's not a bad idea. I'd rather just be given clues and figure it out. 11) When driving around are you tempted to go and look again at caches you have found before? Occasionally 12) What has been the best trinket in a cache? Wile E. Coyote Pocketable 13) What has been the worst trinket in a cache? Bic Lighter 14) Do you leave a signature item? No a) Are you considering your own? Yes b) Who has the most notable? Team Sand Dollar 15) When in a populated area waiting to retrieve a cache what things do you do to pass the time? Pick up trash is always a good one! Makes people wonder what's wrong with you! LOL a) While waiting what was the worst thing to have happen? N/A b) What has been the best thing? N/A 16) Do you practice Cache in Trash out? We carry an ammo can in the Jeep packed full of trash bags! They are the 55 Gallon size bags!! So YES, whenever we get the chance to do so! 17) Your own question for others? Who thinks Libby drove the buggie to hide the "Hmmmmmm" cache? From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 24 00:51:58 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: 23 Aug 2002 17:51:58 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Is unemployment higher among geocachers than the general population? In-Reply-To: <20020824012338.7969.qmail@web21107.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020824012338.7969.qmail@web21107.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1030150323.1005.24.camel@snaptop> On Fri, 2002-08-23 at 18:23, Ken Akerman wrote: > Why are so many geocachers losing their jobs? Is there something about the personality or work ethics of geocachers that makes them less likely to succeed in the business world? Does geocaching impede career success? (Perhaps geocachers spend so much time looking for caches that they fail to put maximum effort into their jobs). I think it's just because geocachers tech types, and the industry really sucks right now... although it does seem to be getting a little better, but not enough to keep people from getting laid off. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 24 08:18:12 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Kyle Hagan) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 01:18:12 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Is unemployment higher among geocachers thanthe general population? References: <20020824012338.7969.qmail@web21107.mail.yahoo.com> <1030150323.1005.24.camel@snaptop> Message-ID: <00eb01c24b46$ca96f580$6400a8c0@VAIO> Guess so. I havnt worked for 4 months. Kyle www.usa4x4.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Cluff" To: Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Is unemployment higher among geocachers thanthe general population? > On Fri, 2002-08-23 at 18:23, Ken Akerman wrote: > > Why are so many geocachers losing their jobs? Is there something about the personality or work ethics of geocachers that makes them less likely to succeed in the business world? Does geocaching impede career success? (Perhaps geocachers spend so much time looking for caches that they fail to put maximum effort into their jobs). > > I think it's just because geocachers tech types, and the industry really > sucks right now... although it does seem to be getting a little better, > but not enough to keep people from getting laid off. > > Brian Cluff > Team Snaptek > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 24 12:55:02 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jan Allbright) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 05:55:02 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Is unemployment higher among geocachers thanthe general population? In-Reply-To: <00eb01c24b46$ca96f580$6400a8c0@VAIO> Message-ID: <002201c24b6d$76eb5d50$561b150a@earthdog> Note: The following has nothing to do with geo-caching. I have been "on the dole" for about 6 months now. Did you know that Arizona pays the lowest un-employment insurance in the nation? Mississippi pays more than Arizona! There was a bill in front of the State Government to increase the amount, but the employers of Arizona killed that because the extra $25 / person / year was just too much of an economic burden. Not to make it sound worse than it is (tho I am hard pressed to figure out how to do that)... but.. Here are the averages for a job search during "good times", which you should use for economic planning purposes. Some of these numbers come from recruiters, some are my observations Add 1 month for every $10K earned Add 1 month for every 5 years over age 30 Add 1 month for every year in school beyond a Bachelors So if you are (say) a 50 year old, with a Master's, making $80K.. figure 14 months. Expect to send out over 400 resume's during that time. Why is the resume number so high? Because, with the advent of job boards, most of the posting you will see are duplicates or firms looking to fill up the resume data-base. In other words, about 85% of what you see does not reference a "real job". Is unemployment higher among geocachers? Well - from what I have seen on the profiles from groundspeak... We tend to be High-tech, middle-aged males in the peak earning years. Which makes us prime targets when the layoff lists are drawn up. Given that Compaq, H-P and IBM have laid-off about 30,000, I really don't expect to ever work in the field again. I don't even think I want to. The solution? Re-Invent yourself! (huh?) For the last 6 months I have been working on a new design for wastewater treatment using algae. I have spent the time becoming a biologist and working on grant application packages. The result? I now have about $300K in grants lined up and will be building a pilot project in Jerome. All I have to do is last another year before the major grant $$ kick in.... Now this is really not material for the geo-cache list, but after seeing so many posts float by on the subject, I had to share my experience. If the re-invention process sounds like something you would like to consider, drop me am email and I will be happy to pass on what I have learned. Regards, Jan (Raouljan) Allbright jallbright@verdeonline.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 24 15:38:20 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:38:20 EDT Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Top 5 fav caches? Message-ID: --part1_a.2402a7e6.2a99026c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Doh! Yeah, I meant Top 5 overall. I really hadn't thought of any other criteria at the time. I know mine will change with each new cache I find so it's not a real scientific question, I was just curious. > Listing the top 5 caches is very difficult. Top 5 for difficulty? Top 5 > for scenic? Top 5 for best adventure? Top 5 for 4WD trail? Top 5 for > hike? Top 5 for historical value? I know - you mean Top 5 overall. > That's what I can't decide. Overall changes for me, based on different > selection criteria. > > --part1_a.2402a7e6.2a99026c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Doh! Yeah, I meant Top 5 overall. I really hadn't thought of any other criteria at the time. I know mine will change with each new cache I find so it's not a real scientific question, I was just curious.

Listing the top 5 caches is very difficult. Top 5 for difficulty? Top 5
for scenic? Top 5 for best adventure? Top 5 for 4WD trail? Top 5 for
hike? Top 5 for historical value? I know - you mean Top 5 overall.
That's what I can't decide. Overall changes for me, based on different
selection criteria.

--part1_a.2402a7e6.2a99026c_boundary-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 24 15:40:51 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:40:51 EDT Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Top 5 fav caches? Message-ID: <1a9.74d1a92.2a990303@aol.com> --part1_1a9.74d1a92.2a990303_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a good idea. Multiple categories would make it a little easier to decide a top 5 than just overall. I'm still working on my list but decided to wait till after the weekend since I had planned on hitting a few this weekend and didn't want to have to change it right away. lol > This may make a good page for the AZ geocaching web > site. Make up several categories and vote on each one. > It may give people some idea of which caches the > community finds best overall. > > --part1_1a9.74d1a92.2a990303_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a good idea. Multiple categories would make it a little easier to decide a top 5 than just overall. I'm still working on my list but decided to wait till after the weekend since I had planned on hitting a few this weekend and didn't want to have to change it right away. lol

This may make a good page for the AZ geocaching web
site. Make up several categories and vote on each one.
It may give people some idea of which caches the
community finds best overall.

--part1_1a9.74d1a92.2a990303_boundary-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 24 16:33:43 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (WOLFB8) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 09:33:43 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Survey Response References: Message-ID: <032901c24b8c$06ce8e60$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0326_01C24B51.56822880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 17) Your own question for others? Who thinks Libby drove the buggie = to hide the "Hmmmmmm" cache? why would anyone think that????? saids right on the cache page that = the buggy was not running at the time.---->I will let you all figure out = how to get to the cache because it really is not all that hard... Wish I = could say that the buggy did it but at last it is still broken. We will be known by the tracks we leave behind ------=_NextPart_000_0326_01C24B51.56822880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

17) Your own question for others? Who thinks Libby drove = the buggie=20 to hide
the "Hmmmmmm" cache?
why=20 would anyone think that????? saids right on the cache page that the = buggy was=20 not running at the time.---->I=20 will let you all figure out how to get to the cache because it really = is not=20 all that hard... Wish I could say that the buggy did it but at last it = is=20 still broken.

We will be known by the tracks we leave=20 behind
------=_NextPart_000_0326_01C24B51.56822880-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 24 16:26:13 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Joanna Strohn) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 09:26:13 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Failure and Suggestion In-Reply-To: <001f01c24b2f$34acef50$026fa8c0@OUR> Message-ID: <013901c24b8a$f69b0600$e3666441@p550> As a newbie, I was under the impression that a "no find" is a failure. Thus I didn't log last weekend's failure. I will log this weekend's failure (no find) when I finally find the cache. Early this morning I put together my cache pack. It's essentially the same as my dog pack except I've added the GPS, pen and paper, notes, and some goodies. Put the leash on Sargeant and headed off. At the parking area saw a man and dog and instantly wondered if he was a cacher. A couple words polite conversation. Wished there was someway to find out if he was a cacher without asking directly. Thought of another group I belong to where there's an identifying phrase. So my suggestion is: When someone sees someone who may be a cacher, comment: "It's a nice day to cache some rays." With the response: "I hope I cache something!" Or some such ... what do you guys think? Went to where I thought the cache was. Instead of a solo homeless duffle, the owner was sitting beside it. Oh oh. Casually walked past as if I was simply walking the dog. I was puzzled. Since my failure the cache had been found. Was I looking in the wrong place? I walked around. Hm. Maybe. I decided I wasn't into climbing or walking through a lot of sand. Wished I had my hiking pole and decided to add it to future search gear. I decided to head back to the car and take a differnt approach. I think I stumbled as Sargeant pulled as I prepared to cross the street. Fell heavily on both knees, palms, face. Lay there in the road stunned and hurting. Pulled myself to a sitting position and felt sick. Gathered my GPS, broken prescription sunglasses, pack-out trash bag, and scooted to the side of the road. The thought of putting pressure on my shredded knees was not appealing so I simply sat, trying to calm myself and do a check of the damage. Homeless came along and asked if I needed help. I was grateful for the hand up. Returned home to clean my wounds. Cache kit will be expanded with hiking stick =and= first aid kit. Maybe tennies and jeans rather than sandals and shorts too! To the plus: I am dyeing the silk handkerchiefs I plan to leave when I do find a cache. -- WingRider (Stubborn 'R Us) From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 24 16:48:49 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (WOLFB8) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 09:48:49 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Top 5 fav caches? References: <004e01c24af9$e9895980$3701a8c0@LARRY> Message-ID: <033801c24b8e$9a82d560$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0333_01C24B53.729F3380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now Larry you have to have this one as part of your memory....can you = recall which cache it is from.... It from back in the days when hunting = caches was not enough for you and rattle snakes added a little something = extra Part of Larry's log I've never seen a rattle snake in the wild before, so I wanted to search = for Thorny's snakes. Well, it didn't take me long to find one! About 5' = from the little cave, a 3' snake rattled at me. As Thorny warned, I = didn't see it. Luckily, I wasn't close enough to him. I jumped back, and = he slithered away. I've heard a rattler while on a cache hunt before, = but now I've heard AND seen one. I'm done with rattle snake hunting. Got to love them long longs We will be known by the tracks we leave behind ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Larry Farquhar=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 4:07 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Top 5 fav caches? Listing the top 5 caches is very difficult. Top 5 for difficulty? Top = 5 for scenic? Top 5 for best adventure? Top 5 for 4WD trail? Top 5 for hike? Top 5 for historical value? I know - you mean Top 5 overall. That's what I can't decide. Overall changes for me, based on different selection criteria. I'm often asked what are my favorite caches in Arizona. I have a = special memory for about half of the caches I've found in Arizona. Any one of them could be in my top 5 list, depending on what I'm rating them on. I guess there's about 150 more caches in Arizona that could be in my favorites list - once I find them. Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com =20 -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of CCoolman74@aol.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 3:14 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Top 5 fav caches? Hi everyone, I'm Cache-meifucan. I've posted a few times on here but not often enough to=20 pretend to know what's going on, or consider myself an active poster, but=20 that's going to change now. :o) In light of the recent survey, I was just=20 curious as to what people's top 5 caches they have found were. I'm = just going to sit down and do my own list so it'll be up later. Thanks in advance=20 and happy caching! Chris Cache-meifucan _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com ------=_NextPart_000_0333_01C24B53.729F3380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Now Larry you have to have this one as part = of your=20 memory....can you recall which cache it is from.... It from back in the = days=20 when hunting caches was not enough for you and rattle snakes added a = little=20 something extra

Part of Larry's = log

I've never seen a rattle snake in the wild = before, so I=20 wanted to search for Thorny's snakes. Well, it didn't take me long to = find one!=20 About 5' from the little cave, a 3' snake rattled at me. As Thorny = warned, I=20 didn't see it. Luckily, I wasn't close enough to him. I jumped back, and = he=20 slithered away. I've heard a rattler while on a cache hunt before, but = now I've=20 heard AND seen one. I'm done with rattle snake hunting.

Got to love them long longs

We will be known by the tracks we leave behind

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Larry = Farquhar
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 = 4:07=20 PM

Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] = Top 5 fav=20 caches?

Listing the top 5 caches is very difficult. Top 5 for=20 difficulty? Top 5
for scenic? Top 5 for best adventure? Top 5 for = 4WD=20 trail? Top 5 for
hike? Top 5 for historical value? I know - you = mean Top 5=20 overall.
That's what I can't decide. Overall changes for me, based = on=20 different
selection criteria.

I'm often asked what are my = favorite=20 caches in Arizona. I have a special
memory for about half of the = caches=20 I've found in Arizona. Any one of
them could be in my top 5 list, = depending=20 on what I'm rating them on.

I guess there's about 150 more = caches in=20 Arizona that could be in my
favorites list - once I find = them.

Larry=20 Farquhar
Team "Wyle E"
www.happy-wanderers.com
&n= bsp;

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: az-geocachi= ng-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@lis= tserv.azgeocaching.com]=20 On Behalf Of
CCoolman74@aol.com
Sent: = Friday,=20 August 23, 2002 3:14 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.comSubject:=20 [Az-Geocaching] Top 5 fav caches?

Hi everyone,

I'm=20 Cache-meifucan. I've posted a few times on here but not = often
enough=20 to
pretend to know what's going on, or consider myself an active=20 poster,
but
that's going to change now. :o) In light of = the=20 recent survey, I was
just
curious as to what people's top 5 = caches they=20 have found were. I'm just

going to sit down and do my own = list so=20 it'll be up later. Thanks in
advance
and happy=20 = caching!

Chris
Cache-meifucan
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<= /BLOCKQUOTE> ------=_NextPart_000_0333_01C24B53.729F3380-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 24 17:12:23 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 10:12:23 -0700 Subject: Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Survey Response In-Reply-To: <001701c24b07$9dae3810$1900a8c0@FBIDaemon> Message-ID: <001901c24b91$6ad859e0$026fa8c0@OUR> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C24B56.BE7981E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian, No. Unless you count being an ex-Motorola shareholder (it hurts just thinking about it...). Steve Team Tierra Buena -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Team A.I. Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 5:46 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Survey Response Steve (Team Tierra Buena), You wouldn't happen to be an ex-Motorolan, would u? Brian Team A.I. I haven't lost my mind. It's backed up on disk somewhere. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C24B56.BE7981E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Brian,

No.=20 Unless you count being an ex-Motorola shareholder (it hurts just = thinking about=20 it...).

Steve

Team=20 Tierra Buena

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = Team A.I.
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 5:46 = PM
To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Subject: RE: = [Az-Geocaching]=20 Survey Response

Steve (Team Tierra = Buena),

You wouldn't happen to be an = ex-Motorolan, would=20 u?

Brian

Team A.I.

I haven't lost my mind. It's = backed up on=20 disk somewhere.
------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C24B56.BE7981E0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 24 17:16:15 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Coyote1022) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 10:16:15 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Survey Response In-Reply-To: <032901c24b8c$06ce8e60$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C24B57.47D08100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Still broken? What is wrong with it? Can I be of any service? I was an automotive technician for 30 years before taking the Air Conditioned job I have now! :-) -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of WOLFB8 Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 9:34 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Survey Response 17) Your own question for others? Who thinks Libby drove the buggie to hide the "Hmmmmmm" cache? why would anyone think that????? saids right on the cache page that the buggy was not running at the time.---->I will let you all figure out how to get to the cache because it really is not all that hard... Wish I could say that the buggy did it but at last it is still broken. We will be known by the tracks we leave behind ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C24B57.47D08100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Still=20 broken? What is wrong with it? Can I be of any = service? I was=20 an automotive technician for 30 years before taking the Air Conditioned = job I=20 have now! :-)

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of=20 WOLFB8
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 9:34 = AM
To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = Survey=20 Response

17) Your own question for others? Who thinks Libby drove = the=20 buggie to hide
the "Hmmmmmm" cache?
why would anyone think that????? saids right on the cache = page that=20 the buggy was not running at the time.---->I will let you all figure = out how to=20 get to the cache because it really is not all that hard... Wish I = could say=20 that the buggy did it but at last it is still=20 broken.

We will be known by the tracks we leave=20 behind

------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C24B57.47D08100-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 24 19:20:33 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jerry Nelson) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 12:20:33 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Failure and Suggestion Message-ID: <20020824.122035.-712101.0.peakbagger2@juno.com> This game itself is so new that we are all newbies, although I suppose relatively speaking, someone who has been doing this close to a year or more is considered an old timer. Those who are very new may not have noticed the "geocachers' etiquette" link on the snaptek site so visit http://www.azgeocaching.com/etiquette.html?gsc=8a2e851bf9c215e62974ea6cad d4f8fc if you haven't seen it. Even though the last paragraph is still a bit controversial it states the reasons quite nicely for posting timely "can't find" logs after one try. I love the idea of a "cachers code" to identify others.:o) I also would enjoy seeing more accounts of experiences like below. Can anyone here write fiction? A story with a geocaching theme would have a small but certain audience. Jerry Offtrail On Sat, 24 Aug 2002 09:26:13 -0700 "Joanna Strohn" writes: > As a newbie, I was under the impression that a "no find" is a > failure. Thus > I didn't log last weekend's failure. I will log this weekend's > failure (no > find) when I finally find the cache. > > Early this morning I put together my cache pack. It's essentially > the same > as my dog pack except I've added the GPS, pen and paper, notes, and > some > goodies. Put the leash on Sargeant and headed off. At the parking > area saw a > man and dog and instantly wondered if he was a cacher. A couple > words polite > conversation. Wished there was someway to find out if he was a > cacher > without asking directly. Thought of another group I belong to where > there's > an identifying phrase. > > So my suggestion is: > > When someone sees someone who may be a cacher, comment: > > "It's a nice day to cache some rays." > > With the response: > > "I hope I cache something!" > > Or some such ... what do you guys think? > > Went to where I thought the cache was. Instead of a solo homeless > duffle, > the owner was sitting beside it. Oh oh. Casually walked past as if I > was > simply walking the dog. I was puzzled. Since my failure the cache > had been > found. Was I looking in the wrong place? I walked around. Hm. Maybe. > I > decided I wasn't into climbing or walking through a lot of sand. > Wished I > had my hiking pole and decided to add it to future search gear. I > decided to > head back to the car and take a differnt approach. > > I think I stumbled as Sargeant pulled as I prepared to cross the > street. > Fell heavily on both knees, palms, face. Lay there in the road > stunned and > hurting. Pulled myself to a sitting position and felt sick. Gathered > my GPS, > broken prescription sunglasses, pack-out trash bag, and scooted to > the side > of the road. The thought of putting pressure on my shredded knees > was not > appealing so I simply sat, trying to calm myself and do a check of > the > damage. > > Homeless came along and asked if I needed help. I was grateful for > the hand > up. Returned home to clean my wounds. > > Cache kit will be expanded with hiking stick =and= first aid kit. > Maybe > tennies and jeans rather than sandals and shorts too! > > To the plus: I am dyeing the silk handkerchiefs I plan to leave when > I do > find a cache. > > -- WingRider (Stubborn 'R Us) > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 24 17:23:09 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 10:23:09 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Top 5 fav caches? In-Reply-To: <033801c24b8e$9a82d560$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <009001c24b92$eaf79e00$1e01a8c0@connie> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0091_01C24B58.3E98C600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I remember that one, as I was actually with him on this one, so I got to see him do the rattlesnake dance which included the jump, turn and run steps. Such memories...LOL Connie Team"Wyle E" -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of WOLFB8 Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 9:49 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Top 5 fav caches? Now Larry you have to have this one as part of your memory....can you recall which cache it is from.... It from back in the days when hunting caches was not enough for you and rattle snakes added a little something extra Part of Larry's log I've never seen a rattle snake in the wild before, so I wanted to search for Thorny's snakes. Well, it didn't take me long to find one! About 5' from the little cave, a 3' snake rattled at me. As Thorny warned, I didn't see it. Luckily, I wasn't close enough to him. I jumped back, and he slithered away. I've heard a rattler while on a cache hunt before, but now I've heard AND seen one. I'm done with rattle snake hunting. Got to love them long longs We will be known by the tracks we leave behind ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Farquhar To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 4:07 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Top 5 fav caches? Listing the top 5 caches is very difficult. Top 5 for difficulty? Top 5 for scenic? Top 5 for best adventure? Top 5 for 4WD trail? Top 5 for hike? Top 5 for historical value? I know - you mean Top 5 overall. That's what I can't decide. Overall changes for me, based on different selection criteria. I'm often asked what are my favorite caches in Arizona. I have a special memory for about half of the caches I've found in Arizona. Any one of them could be in my top 5 list, depending on what I'm rating them on. I guess there's about 150 more caches in Arizona that could be in my favorites list - once I find them. Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of CCoolman74@aol.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 3:14 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Top 5 fav caches? Hi everyone, I'm Cache-meifucan. I've posted a few times on here but not often enough to pretend to know what's going on, or consider myself an active poster, but that's going to change now. :o) In light of the recent survey, I was just curious as to what people's top 5 caches they have found were. I'm just going to sit down and do my own list so it'll be up later. Thanks in advance and happy caching! Chris Cache-meifucan _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com ------=_NextPart_000_0091_01C24B58.3E98C600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I=20 remember that one, as I was actually with him on this one, so I got to = see him=20 do the rattlesnake dance which included the jump, turn and run=20 steps.

Such=20 memories...LOL

Connie

Team"Wyle E"

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf = Of=20 WOLFB8
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 9:49 AM
To: = listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Top 5 = fav=20 caches?

Now Larry you have to have this one as part = of your=20 memory....can you recall which cache it is from.... It from back in = the days=20 when hunting caches was not enough for you and rattle snakes added a = little=20 something extra

Part of Larry's = log

I've never seen a rattle snake in the wild = before, so=20 I wanted to search for Thorny's snakes. Well, it didn't take me long = to find=20 one! About 5' from the little cave, a 3' snake rattled at me. As = Thorny=20 warned, I didn't see it. Luckily, I wasn't close enough to him. I = jumped back,=20 and he slithered away. I've heard a rattler while on a cache hunt = before, but=20 now I've heard AND seen one. I'm done with rattle snake = hunting.

Got to love them long longs

We will be known by the tracks we leave behind

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Larry = Farquhar
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 = 4:07=20 PM

Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] = Top 5 fav=20 caches?

Listing the top 5 caches is very difficult. Top 5 for = difficulty? Top 5
for scenic? Top 5 for best adventure? Top 5 for = 4WD=20 trail? Top 5 for
hike? Top 5 for historical value? I know - you = mean Top=20 5 overall.
That's what I can't decide. Overall changes for me, = based on=20 different
selection criteria.

I'm often asked what are my = favorite=20 caches in Arizona. I have a special
memory for about half of the = caches=20 I've found in Arizona. Any one of
them could be in my top 5 list, = depending on what I'm rating them on.

I guess there's about = 150 more=20 caches in Arizona that could be in my
favorites list - once I = find=20 them.

Larry Farquhar
Team "Wyle E"
www.happy-wanderers.com
&n= bsp;

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From: az-geocachi= ng-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com
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CCoolman74@aol.com
Sent: = Friday,=20 August 23, 2002 3:14 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.comSubject:=20 [Az-Geocaching] Top 5 fav caches?

Hi everyone,

I'm = Cache-meifucan. I've posted a few times on here but not=20 often
enough to
pretend to know what's going on, or consider = myself=20 an active poster,
but
that's going to change now. :o) = In light=20 of the recent survey, I was
just
curious as to what people's = top 5=20 caches they have found were. I'm just

going to sit down = and do=20 my own list so it'll be up later. Thanks in
advance
and = happy=20 = caching!

Chris
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------=_NextPart_000_0091_01C24B58.3E98C600-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 24 17:22:57 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Mak Smith) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 10:22:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Survey of sorts Message-ID: <20020824172257.91140.qmail@web21505.mail.yahoo.com> --0-393240493-1030209777=:90535 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 1) How did you get introduced to Geo Caching? Omniterranaut told me about it, I was a bit confused at first 2) How long have you been a Geo Cacher? Since end of April 2002 3) What is your present GPS'r? Garmin Etrex a) What was your first GPS'r? Garmin Etrex b) How many units have you owned? 1 c) What unit(s) would you recommend to new cachers? Garmin Etrex 4) How long did it take to locate your first cache? about 10 minutes 5) What has been your most memorable cache? Both Silly Mountain caches a) Why? The view of the valley was spectacular 6) What has been your least favorite cache? Los Muertos De Tempe a) Why? We made it MUCH harder than it should have been 7) What factors dictate which cache you go looking for? How far it is to where we are at that moment 8) How many other Geo Cachers have you met while on a caching hunt? 2 9) Has that meeting changed the way you cache? Yes 10) When unable to locate a cache how long do you search? 10-15 minutes a) How many attempts before logging a no-find? 2 or 3 b) Do you contact the cache owner for help? No c) Do you ask other cachers for help?=3D20 Sometimes 11) When driving around are you tempted to go and look again at caches you have found before? No 12) What has been the best trinket in a cache? Travel bugs 13) What has been the worst trinket in a cache? None that I can think of 14) Do you leave a signature item? No a) Are you considering your own? No b) Who has the most notable? Where are we cards and the Sand Dollars 15) When in a populated area waiting to retrieve a cache what things do you do to pass the time? Sit down and try and think of where the cache is a) While waiting what was the worst thing to have happen? People staring wondering what I am doing there. b) What has been the best thing? Hasn't been a best thing 16) Do you practice Cache in Trash out? Sometimes 17) Your own question for others? Can't think of any Frieza --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes --0-393240493-1030209777=:90535 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

1) How did you get introduced to Geo Caching?
   Omniterranaut told me about it, I was a bit confused at first
2) How long have you been a Geo Cacher?
    Since end of April 2002
3) What is your present GPS'r?
    Garmin Etrex
   a) What was your first GPS'r?
    Garmin Etrex
    b) How many units have you owned?
    1
    c) What unit(s) would you recommend to new cachers?
    Garmin Etrex
4) How long did it take to locate your first cache?
    about 10 minutes
5) What has been your most memorable cache?
    Both Silly Mountain caches
    a) Why?
    The view of the valley was spectacular
6) What has been your least favorite cache?
    Los Muertos De Tempe

    a) Why?
      We made it MUCH harder than it should have been
7) What factors dictate which cache you go looking for?
    How far it is to where we are at that moment
8) How many other Geo Cachers have you met while on a caching hunt?
    2
9) Has that meeting changed the way you cache?
    Yes
10) When unable to locate a cache how long do you search?
      10-15 minutes
    a) How many attempts before logging a no-find?
     2 or 3
    b) Do you contact the cache owner for help?
       No
    c) Do you ask other cachers for help?=3D20
       Sometimes
11) When driving around are you tempted to go and look again at caches
you have found before?
       No
12) What has been the best trinket in a cache?
       Travel bugs
13) What has been the worst trinket in a cache?
      None that I can think of
14) Do you leave a signature item?
      No
    a) Are you considering your own?
       No
    b) Who has the most notable?
       Where are we cards and the Sand Dollars
15) When in a populated area waiting to retrieve a cache what things do
you do to pass the time?
      Sit down and try and think of where the cache is
    a) While waiting what was the worst thing to have happen?
       People staring wondering what I am doing there.
    b) What has been the best thing?
       Hasn't been a best thing
16) Do you practice Cache in Trash out?
      Sometimes
17) Your own question for others?
      Can't think of any

Frieza

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Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes --0-393240493-1030209777=:90535-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 24 20:08:35 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jerry Nelson) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:08:35 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Failure and Suggestion Message-ID: <20020824.130836.-712101.6.peakbagger2@juno.com> It looks like maybe the link to "geocachers etiquette" didn't print just right so here it is. Excuse the bad format resulting from the cut and paste. Jerry A Suggested Geocachers Etiquette By srdrake "It's my belief that the "can't find" logs are there to be useful to people. It notifies other geocachers that perhaps the cache isn't there. It also notifies the person who placed the cache that he/she should probably go check on it. Geocachers should be considerate to others and post a "can't find" or "note" log when they don't find the cache. It helps us all. I'm wondering if people have egos and don't want anyone seeing a "can't find" by their name. " More here on snaptek Web site...... On Sat, 24 Aug 2002 12:20:33 -0700 Jerry Nelson writes: > > This game itself is so new that we are all newbies, although I > suppose > relatively speaking, someone who has been doing this close to a year > or > more is considered an old timer. Those who are very new may not > have > noticed the "geocachers' etiquette" link on the snaptek site so > visit > http://www.azgeocaching.com/etiquette.html?gsc=8a2e851bf9c215e62974ea6cad > d4f8fc > if you haven't seen it. Even though the last paragraph is still a > bit > controversial it states the reasons quite nicely for posting timely > "can't find" logs after one try. > > I love the idea of a "cachers code" to identify others.:o) I also > would > enjoy seeing more accounts of experiences like below. Can anyone > here > write fiction? A story with a geocaching theme would have a small > but > certain audience. > > Jerry > Offtrail > > > On Sat, 24 Aug 2002 09:26:13 -0700 "Joanna Strohn" > writes: > > As a newbie, I was under the impression that a "no find" is a > > failure. Thus > > I didn't log last weekend's failure. I will log this weekend's > > failure (no > > find) when I finally find the cache. > > > > Early this morning I put together my cache pack. It's essentially > > > the same > > as my dog pack except I've added the GPS, pen and paper, notes, > and > > some > > goodies. Put the leash on Sargeant and headed off. At the parking > > > area saw a > > man and dog and instantly wondered if he was a cacher. A couple > > words polite > > conversation. Wished there was someway to find out if he was a > > cacher > > without asking directly. Thought of another group I belong to > where > > there's > > an identifying phrase. > > > > So my suggestion is: > > > > When someone sees someone who may be a cacher, comment: > > > > "It's a nice day to cache some rays." > > > > With the response: > > > > "I hope I cache something!" > > > > Or some such ... what do you guys think? > > > > Went to where I thought the cache was. Instead of a solo homeless > > > duffle, > > the owner was sitting beside it. Oh oh. Casually walked past as if > I > > was > > simply walking the dog. I was puzzled. Since my failure the cache > > > had been > > found. Was I looking in the wrong place? I walked around. Hm. > Maybe. > > I > > decided I wasn't into climbing or walking through a lot of sand. > > Wished I > > had my hiking pole and decided to add it to future search gear. I > > > decided to > > head back to the car and take a differnt approach. > > > > I think I stumbled as Sargeant pulled as I prepared to cross the > > street. > > Fell heavily on both knees, palms, face. Lay there in the road > > stunned and > > hurting. Pulled myself to a sitting position and felt sick. > Gathered > > my GPS, > > broken prescription sunglasses, pack-out trash bag, and scooted to > > > the side > > of the road. The thought of putting pressure on my shredded knees > > > was not > > appealing so I simply sat, trying to calm myself and do a check of > > > the > > damage. > > > > Homeless came along and asked if I needed help. I was grateful for > > > the hand > > up. Returned home to clean my wounds. > > > > Cache kit will be expanded with hiking stick =and= first aid kit. > > > Maybe > > tennies and jeans rather than sandals and shorts too! > > > > To the plus: I am dyeing the silk handkerchiefs I plan to leave > when > > I do > > find a cache. > > > > -- WingRider (Stubborn 'R Us) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list > > listserv@azgeocaching.com > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 24 18:15:20 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: 24 Aug 2002 11:15:20 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Failure and Suggestion In-Reply-To: <20020824.122035.-712101.0.peakbagger2@juno.com> References: <20020824.122035.-712101.0.peakbagger2@juno.com> Message-ID: <1030212921.29106.20.camel@napita.snaptek.com> On Sat, 2002-08-24 at 12:20, Jerry Nelson wrote: > This game itself is so new that we are all newbies, although I suppose > relatively speaking, someone who has been doing this close to a year or > more is considered an old timer. Those who are very new may not have > noticed the "geocachers' etiquette" link on the snaptek site so visit > http://www.azgeocaching.com/etiquette.html?gsc=8a2e851bf9c215e62974ea6cad > d4f8fc > if you haven't seen it. Even though the last paragraph is still a bit > controversial it states the reasons quite nicely for posting timely > "can't find" logs after one try. > I love the idea of a "cachers code" to identify others.:o) I also would > enjoy seeing more accounts of experiences like below. Can anyone here > write fiction? A story with a geocaching theme would have a small but > certain audience. How about, "It's a great day to cache in on" for a code word. I personally just tell any other hikers that I might talk to what I'm doing. They are either not interested, or they might join you. On the persid metor campout last year when I was at the bottom of the rim after almost killing myself taking the "really quick way" to the bottom, Jason and I ran into a hiker who was checking out the partially finished railroad tunnel near the Rim RR depot cache. We did some small talk and then told him that we were looking for a geocache, and then explained geocaching to him. He was fascinated by the idea and proceded to help us turn over the side of the mountain looking for it. Unfortunatly the coords were severly off, and it was pretty well hidden so the cache wasn't found till a few hours later when a whole pile of cachers attacked it and then found it by sheer luck after having given up. It should be fairly easy to get a day hiker into geocaching, they already do half of geocaching, we can give they day hikes purpose. The only person that we went out of our way NOT to talk to was on our very first geocache which of course was "Geocache" by dan since it was the only geocache at the time to find. Anyway, we parked on a wide spot on the road and started to hike towards the cache. We hand only gotten a little past the other side of the road when a trans-am pulled up near my truck and a couple of shadey looking characters got out and were looking around suspitiously. I then got a little nervous for the safety of my truck so we decided to go back and move it somewhere safer. The 2 men then went into the trunk and pulled out a rifle and a turtle. I then decided that I REALLY didn't want anything to do with a couple of guys, scratch that.. sick asholes, that would use a turtle for target practice. We got the heck out of there and added .3 miles to our hike by finding a better parking spot. I still feel bad for the turtle. I can only hope they wanted to release it in the middle of the desert, but were afraid of an attack from those Arizona desert rhinos that were mentioned in that guys caches log. Althought, if I'm going to defent yourself from a rhino I'm going to bring something better than a .22 though would probably just piss him off. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 24 18:24:16 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:24:16 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Failure and Suggestion In-Reply-To: <013901c24b8a$f69b0600$e3666441@p550> References: <001f01c24b2f$34acef50$026fa8c0@OUR> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020824112050.028fe7a0@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 09:26 AM 8/24/2002 -0700, you wrote: >As a newbie, I was under the impression that a "no find" is a failure. Thus >I didn't log last weekend's failure. I will log this weekend's failure (no >find) when I finally find the cache. Why wait until you find the cache? There are many reasons to log your experience. Some have already been brought up. Log entries REALLY help the cache owner know what the status of the cache is. They also provide a written history of the cache, and people not being able to find the cache is just as much part of that history as people finding that cache. Helpful hints can be passed on to future hunters such as your example of not wearing sandals and shorts. Others might find that VERY helpful. As a cache owner, I also like to see people go back and find it the next time out if they couldn't the first time, it shows that there is interest in the game and the cache. Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 24 20:27:16 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Coyote1022) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:27:16 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Failure and Suggestion In-Reply-To: <20020824.122035.-712101.0.peakbagger2@juno.com> Message-ID: Who needs FICTION when we have a writer like WingRider right here in our midst? -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Jerry Nelson Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 12:21 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Failure and Suggestion This game itself is so new that we are all newbies, although I suppose relatively speaking, someone who has been doing this close to a year or more is considered an old timer. Those who are very new may not have noticed the "geocachers' etiquette" link on the snaptek site so visit http://www.azgeocaching.com/etiquette.html?gsc=8a2e851bf9c215e62974ea6cad d4f8fc if you haven't seen it. Even though the last paragraph is still a bit controversial it states the reasons quite nicely for posting timely "can't find" logs after one try. I love the idea of a "cachers code" to identify others.:o) I also would enjoy seeing more accounts of experiences like below. Can anyone here write fiction? A story with a geocaching theme would have a small but certain audience. Jerry Offtrail On Sat, 24 Aug 2002 09:26:13 -0700 "Joanna Strohn" writes: > As a newbie, I was under the impression that a "no find" is a > failure. Thus > I didn't log last weekend's failure. I will log this weekend's > failure (no > find) when I finally find the cache. > > Early this morning I put together my cache pack. It's essentially > the same > as my dog pack except I've added the GPS, pen and paper, notes, and > some > goodies. Put the leash on Sargeant and headed off. At the parking > area saw a > man and dog and instantly wondered if he was a cacher. A couple > words polite > conversation. Wished there was someway to find out if he was a > cacher > without asking directly. Thought of another group I belong to where > there's > an identifying phrase. > > So my suggestion is: > > When someone sees someone who may be a cacher, comment: > > "It's a nice day to cache some rays." > > With the response: > > "I hope I cache something!" > > Or some such ... what do you guys think? > > Went to where I thought the cache was. Instead of a solo homeless > duffle, > the owner was sitting beside it. Oh oh. Casually walked past as if I > was > simply walking the dog. I was puzzled. Since my failure the cache > had been > found. Was I looking in the wrong place? I walked around. Hm. Maybe. > I > decided I wasn't into climbing or walking through a lot of sand. > Wished I > had my hiking pole and decided to add it to future search gear. I > decided to > head back to the car and take a differnt approach. > > I think I stumbled as Sargeant pulled as I prepared to cross the > street. > Fell heavily on both knees, palms, face. Lay there in the road > stunned and > hurting. Pulled myself to a sitting position and felt sick. Gathered > my GPS, > broken prescription sunglasses, pack-out trash bag, and scooted to > the side > of the road. The thought of putting pressure on my shredded knees > was not > appealing so I simply sat, trying to calm myself and do a check of > the > damage. > > Homeless came along and asked if I needed help. I was grateful for > the hand > up. Returned home to clean my wounds. > > Cache kit will be expanded with hiking stick =and= first aid kit. > Maybe > tennies and jeans rather than sandals and shorts too! > > To the plus: I am dyeing the silk handkerchiefs I plan to leave when > I do > find a cache. > > -- WingRider (Stubborn 'R Us) > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 24 21:06:58 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Joanna Strohn) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 14:06:58 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Failure and Suggestion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003501c24bb2$2efa1b40$a2656441@p550> LOL! Thanks. I do happen to be a writer by profession. I don't do fiction but you've started the wheels spinning. Maybe when I get a bit more experience I can do a cache story (with real caches). -- Joanna -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Team Coyote1022 Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 1:27 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Failure and Suggestion Who needs FICTION when we have a writer like WingRider right here in our midst? -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Jerry Nelson Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 12:21 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Failure and Suggestion This game itself is so new that we are all newbies, although I suppose relatively speaking, someone who has been doing this close to a year or more is considered an old timer. Those who are very new may not have noticed the "geocachers' etiquette" link on the snaptek site so visit http://www.azgeocaching.com/etiquette.html?gsc=8a2e851bf9c215e62974ea6cad d4f8fc if you haven't seen it. Even though the last paragraph is still a bit controversial it states the reasons quite nicely for posting timely "can't find" logs after one try. I love the idea of a "cachers code" to identify others.:o) I also would enjoy seeing more accounts of experiences like below. Can anyone here write fiction? A story with a geocaching theme would have a small but certain audience. Jerry Offtrail On Sat, 24 Aug 2002 09:26:13 -0700 "Joanna Strohn" writes: > As a newbie, I was under the impression that a "no find" is a > failure. Thus > I didn't log last weekend's failure. I will log this weekend's > failure (no > find) when I finally find the cache. > > Early this morning I put together my cache pack. It's essentially > the same > as my dog pack except I've added the GPS, pen and paper, notes, and > some > goodies. Put the leash on Sargeant and headed off. At the parking > area saw a > man and dog and instantly wondered if he was a cacher. A couple > words polite > conversation. Wished there was someway to find out if he was a > cacher > without asking directly. Thought of another group I belong to where > there's > an identifying phrase. > > So my suggestion is: > > When someone sees someone who may be a cacher, comment: > > "It's a nice day to cache some rays." > > With the response: > > "I hope I cache something!" > > Or some such ... what do you guys think? > > Went to where I thought the cache was. Instead of a solo homeless > duffle, > the owner was sitting beside it. Oh oh. Casually walked past as if I > was > simply walking the dog. I was puzzled. Since my failure the cache > had been > found. Was I looking in the wrong place? I walked around. Hm. Maybe. > I > decided I wasn't into climbing or walking through a lot of sand. > Wished I > had my hiking pole and decided to add it to future search gear. I > decided to > head back to the car and take a differnt approach. > > I think I stumbled as Sargeant pulled as I prepared to cross the > street. > Fell heavily on both knees, palms, face. Lay there in the road > stunned and > hurting. Pulled myself to a sitting position and felt sick. Gathered > my GPS, > broken prescription sunglasses, pack-out trash bag, and scooted to > the side > of the road. The thought of putting pressure on my shredded knees > was not > appealing so I simply sat, trying to calm myself and do a check of > the > damage. > > Homeless came along and asked if I needed help. I was grateful for > the hand > up. Returned home to clean my wounds. > > Cache kit will be expanded with hiking stick =and= first aid kit. > Maybe > tennies and jeans rather than sandals and shorts too! > > To the plus: I am dyeing the silk handkerchiefs I plan to leave when > I do > find a cache. > > -- WingRider (Stubborn 'R Us) > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 24 23:33:54 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Larry Farquhar) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 16:33:54 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Top 5 fav caches? In-Reply-To: <033801c24b8e$9a82d560$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <000c01c24bc6$b62bd950$3701a8c0@LARRY> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C24B8C.09CF4B40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You bet! That IS one of my memorable cache hunts. I think it's from the "Did you see that?" cache. I also found the new mining claim up there, stating they planned to give rock hound tours. Oh yes - I remember that cache well. That entire weekend was full of memorable cache hunts. I'd still like to see another rattle snake on the trail, but I'm not sure I would purposely go looking for one again. Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of WOLFB8 Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 9:49 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Top 5 fav caches? Now Larry you have to have this one as part of your memory....can you recall which cache it is from.... It from back in the days when hunting caches was not enough for you and rattle snakes added a little something extra Part of Larry's log I've never seen a rattle snake in the wild before, so I wanted to search for Thorny's snakes. Well, it didn't take me long to find one! About 5' from the little cave, a 3' snake rattled at me. As Thorny warned, I didn't see it. Luckily, I wasn't close enough to him. I jumped back, and he slithered away. I've heard a rattler while on a cache hunt before, but now I've heard AND seen one. I'm done with rattle snake hunting. Got to love them long longs We will be known by the tracks we leave behind ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C24B8C.09CF4B40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

You=20 bet! That IS one of my memorable cache hunts. I think it's from the = "Did=20 you see that?" cache. I also found the new mining claim up there, = stating they=20 planned to give rock hound tours. Oh yes - I remember that cache = well. That=20 entire weekend was full of memorable cache hunts.

I'd=20 still like to see another rattle snake on the trail, but I'm not sure I = would=20 purposely go looking for one again.

Larry = Farquhar

Team "Wyle E"

www.happy-wanderers.com

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = WOLFB8
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 9:49 = AM
To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Top 5 = fav=20 caches?

Now Larry you have to have this one as part = of your=20 memory....can you recall which cache it is from.... It from back in = the days=20 when hunting caches was not enough for you and rattle snakes added a = little=20 something extra

Part of Larry's = log

I've never seen a rattle snake in the wild = before, so=20 I wanted to search for Thorny's snakes. Well, it didn't take me long = to find=20 one! About 5' from the little cave, a 3' snake rattled at me. As = Thorny=20 warned, I didn't see it. Luckily, I wasn't close enough to him. I = jumped back,=20 and he slithered away. I've heard a rattler while on a cache hunt = before, but=20 now I've heard AND seen one. I'm done with rattle snake = hunting.

Got to love them long longs

We will be known by the tracks we leave behind

------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C24B8C.09CF4B40-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Aug 25 00:06:12 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (WOLFB8) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 17:06:12 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Top 5 fav caches? References: <000c01c24bc6$b62bd950$3701a8c0@LARRY> Message-ID: <03af01c24bcb$42597b40$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_03AC_01C24B90.8CB5E560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageLOL Larry you are correct..... did not know about the snake = dance maybe some day you do it again for all of us!!!!! or Connie will = get it on video....... We will be known by the tracks we leave behind ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Larry Farquhar=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 4:33 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Top 5 fav caches? You bet! That IS one of my memorable cache hunts. I think it's from = the "Did you see that?" cache. I also found the new mining claim up = there, stating they planned to give rock hound tours. Oh yes - I = remember that cache well. That entire weekend was full of memorable = cache hunts. I'd still like to see another rattle snake on the trail, but I'm not = sure I would purposely go looking for one again. Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com = [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = WOLFB8 Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 9:49 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Top 5 fav caches? Now Larry you have to have this one as part of your memory....can = you recall which cache it is from.... It from back in the days when = hunting caches was not enough for you and rattle snakes added a little = something extra Part of Larry's log I've never seen a rattle snake in the wild before, so I wanted to = search for Thorny's snakes. Well, it didn't take me long to find one! = About 5' from the little cave, a 3' snake rattled at me. As Thorny = warned, I didn't see it. Luckily, I wasn't close enough to him. I jumped = back, and he slithered away. I've heard a rattler while on a cache hunt = before, but now I've heard AND seen one. I'm done with rattle snake = hunting. Got to love them long longs We will be known by the tracks we leave behind ------=_NextPart_000_03AC_01C24B90.8CB5E560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

LOL Larry you are correct..... = did not know=20 about the snake dance maybe some day you do it again for all of us!!!!! = or=20 Connie will get it on video.......

We will be known by the tracks we leave behind

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Larry = Farquhar
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 = 4:33=20 PM

Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] = Top 5 fav=20 caches?

You=20 bet! That IS one of my memorable cache hunts. I think it's from = the "Did=20 you see that?" cache. I also found the new mining claim up there, = stating they=20 planned to give rock hound tours. Oh yes - I remember that cache = well.=20 That entire weekend was full of memorable cache = hunts.

I'd=20 still like to see another rattle snake on the trail, but I'm not sure = I would=20 purposely go looking for one again.

Larry = Farquhar

Team "Wyle = E"

www.happy-wanderers.com

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf = Of=20 WOLFB8
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 9:49 = AM
To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Top = 5 fav=20 caches?

Now Larry you have to have this one as = part of your=20 memory....can you recall which cache it is from.... It from back in = the days=20 when hunting caches was not enough for you and rattle snakes added a = little=20 something extra

Part of Larry's = log

I've never seen a rattle snake in the = wild before,=20 so I wanted to search for Thorny's snakes. Well, it didn't take me = long to=20 find one! About 5' from the little cave, a 3' snake rattled at me. = As Thorny=20 warned, I didn't see it. Luckily, I wasn't close enough to him. I = jumped=20 back, and he slithered away. I've heard a rattler while on a cache = hunt=20 before, but now I've heard AND seen one. I'm done with rattle snake=20 hunting.

Got to love them long longs

We will be known by the tracks we leave behind

------=_NextPart_000_03AC_01C24B90.8CB5E560-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Aug 25 00:39:57 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 17:39:57 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Top 5 fav caches? In-Reply-To: <000c01c24bc6$b62bd950$3701a8c0@LARRY> References: <033801c24b8e$9a82d560$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020824173849.0299b2c0@mail.myblueheaven.com> --=====================_20392551==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:33 PM 8/24/2002 -0700, you wrote: >I'd still like to see another rattle snake on the trail, but I'm not sure >I would purposely go looking for one again. Over the years that I have lived in Arizona I have come across a few. I prefer to see them from a little distance, but there have been a couple times... Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache --=====================_20392551==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 04:33 PM 8/24/2002 -0700, you wrote:

I'd still like to see another rattle snake on the trail, but I'm not sure I would purposely go looking for one again.

Over the years that I have lived in Arizona I have come across a few. I prefer to see them from a little distance, but there have been a couple times...

Scott

Team My Blue Heaven

www.myblueheaven.com/geocache

--=====================_20392551==_.ALT-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Aug 25 00:57:59 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Coyote1022) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 17:57:59 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Top 5 fav caches? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020824173849.0299b2c0@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C24B97.C892E450 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I caught and released a rattlesnake at summer camp this summer. The girls at camp found it about sunset between the girls village and the restrooms! They were very glad to see it gone! The really funny part was the look on the firemen's faces when I showed up at the firestation with it. They asked if I would mind taking it out of town a few miles and releasing it. I know that here in the Valley of the Sun, the fire department is called when a snake is found on your premises, so just figured the same applied in Prescott! LOL Gordon Team Coyote1022 -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Scott Wood Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 5:40 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Top 5 fav caches? At 04:33 PM 8/24/2002 -0700, you wrote: I'd still like to see another rattle snake on the trail, but I'm not sure I would purposely go looking for one again. Over the years that I have lived in Arizona I have come across a few. I prefer to see them from a little distance, but there have been a couple times... Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C24B97.C892E450 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I=20 caught and released a rattlesnake at summer camp this summer. The = girls at=20 camp found it about sunset between the girls village and the = restrooms! =20 They were very glad to see it gone! The really funny part was the = look on=20 the firemen's faces when I showed up at the firestation with it. = They=20 asked if I would mind taking it out of town a few miles and releasing = it. I=20 know that here in the Valley of the Sun, the fire department is called = when a=20 snake is found on your premises, so just figured the same applied in=20 Prescott! LOL

Gordon

Team=20 Coyote1022

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of=20 Scott Wood
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 5:40 = PM
To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Top 5 = fav=20 caches?

At 04:33 PM 8/24/2002 -0700, you = wrote:

I'd still like to see another rattle snake on the trail, = but I'm not=20 sure I would purposely go looking for one = again.

Over=20 the years that I have lived in Arizona I have come across a few. = I=20 prefer to see them from a little distance, but there have been a = couple=20 times...

Scott

Team My Blue Heaven

www.myblueheaven.com/geocache

------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C24B97.C892E450-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Aug 25 00:39:23 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team A.I.) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 17:39:23 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) Message-ID: <001001c24bcf$dbed2320$1900a8c0@FBIDaemon> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C24B95.2F5ED6B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Brian, >=20 >No. Unless you count being an ex-Motorola shareholder (it hurts just >thinking about it...). >=20 >Steve >Team Tierra Buena Too true. Remember back in 99 when the price was int the low $100s? = Now you could get popcorn and a movie for less than it would cost per = share of Moto stock. Before too long, there won't be a Motorola = presence in the US. The only sites left in AZ are in danger of closing. = The Mesa plant by end of the year, and the Chandler 8" factory (MOS12) = is in danger of closing if they don't meet certain goals by year's end. = Be glad you don't own stock now. ;p Brian Team A.I. I haven't lost my mind. It's backed up on disk somewhere. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C24B95.2F5ED6B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

>Brian,
>
>No. Unless=20 you count being an ex-Motorola shareholder (it hurts = just
>thinking about=20 it...).
>
>Steve
>Team=20 Tierra Buena

Too true. Remember back in 99 = when the price=20 was int the low $100s? Now you could get popcorn and a movie for = less than=20 it would cost per share of Moto stock. Before too long, there = won't be a=20 Motorola presence in the US. The only sites left in AZ are in = danger=20 of closing. The Mesa plant by end of the year, and the Chandler 8" = factory=20 (MOS12) is in danger of closing if they don't meet certain goals by = year's=20 end. Be glad you don't own stock now. ;p

Brian

Team A.I.

I haven't lost my mind. It's = backed up on=20 disk somewhere.

------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C24B95.2F5ED6B0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Aug 25 04:35:31 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 21:35:31 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] OFF-TOPIC ALERT! MOT and Other Stocks In-Reply-To: <001001c24bcf$dbed2320$1900a8c0@FBIDaemon> Message-ID: <000e01c24bf0$d8dab000$026fa8c0@OUR> Brian wrote: > Remember back in 99 when the price was int the low $100s? Now you could get popcorn and a > movie for less than it would cost per share of Moto stock. Try my financial advisor's philosophy: If you bought $1,000.00 worth of Nortel stock one year ago, it would now be worth $49.00. And, if you bought $ 1,000.00 worth of WorldCom at $16 dollars a share one year ago, it would now be worth $5.63. Forget ENRON as it does not compute. That's a total of $54.63. However, if you bought $1,000.00 worth of Budweiser (the beer, not the stock) @ $11.99 per case one year ago (83.4 cases) and drank all the beer, and traded in the cans for the 10 cents per each aluminum can deposit, you would have $200. Therefore, my financial advisor has suggested that it is financially prudent in these troubled times to drink heavily and recycle. Steve Team Tierra Buena My "dream ticket" in 2004: Warren Buffett and Jimmy Buffett From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Aug 25 05:27:11 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jason Poulter) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 22:27:11 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] fire? campout? Message-ID: <3D686AAF.8070305@snaptek.com> looks like the pack rat fire is pretty close to last years geocaching camp out location... i just saw it on the news and looked like it was pretty close to where we were going to have this years camp out... you know the news crappy graphics... so i thought i would check it out http://www.fs.fed.us/r3/fire/ http://www.fs.fed.us/r3/fire/webdaily/swalargefires/pack_rat.jpg they said should be contained by next weekend... hope it to spread... or cancel the campout... jason From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Aug 25 16:21:27 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bill) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 09:21:27 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Failure and Suggestion References: <003501c24bb2$2efa1b40$a2656441@p550> Message-ID: <042e01c24c53$7967d680$319c4094@BILLPC> Well, I am a writer, and I do write some fiction. I'll give it some thought. Bill (Team Freeholder) > > enjoy seeing more accounts of experiences like below. Can anyone here > write fiction? A story with a geocaching theme would have a small but > certain audience. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Aug 25 20:34:28 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 13:34:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Survey answers.... Message-ID: <20020825133431.644.h011.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Well, as usual I am a bit late getting around to my GC emails, but.... Here are my answers: 1) How did you get introduced to Geo Caching? Ron "Flash" Gordon, a fellow Jeep Posse member, called me on 6/30/01 to tell me about it. 2) How long have you been a Geo Cacher? Since 7/1/01. Already had a GPS (Posse requirement) and went out next day to find Flash's "Prieta View" near Prescott. Flash and I ventured out the very next day, 7/2/01, to find Wyle E's "Camp Wood Cache". 8 hours (class 4 4x4 driving in and out plus 2.5 miles hike RT, we took the hard way. 3) What is your present GPS'r? Garmin 12 a) What was your first GPS'r? Garmin 12 b) How many units have you owned? One c) What unit(s) would you recommend to new cachers? I recommend they research the different makes/models and decide what features they want and how much to spend. I'm fine with my G-12 4) How long did it take to locate your first cache? "Prieta View" was a 10 minute walk and 2 minute search, at the most. 5) What has been your most memorable cache? Lots are memorable, but I would pick "RR Rim Cache" a) Why? It hadn't been found in 6+ months(?), and we put together a 4-team assault squad to hike the vertical Mogollon Rim (myself and daughter, CBx2, Bob Renner and Son (?) and Snaptek) Very challenging physically for me, so feel great sense of accomplishment, plus the team work was fun. 6) What has been your least favorite cache? I haven't had any really horrid experiences. If I had to pick one, maybe "Quartz Cache" NW of Prescott. a) Why? I was alone, it was VERY HOT, and the bushwacking left me with lots of scratches on arms (did wear long pants). 7) What factors dictate which cache you go looking for? Location (scenic, new), not too far or difficult physically or too rough to drive to (unless I am with Flash) and grouping nearby caches if I have time to do several. 8) How many other Geo Cachers have you met while on a caching hunt? Hm...I know I met Lincoln at his 2 of seven cache. And Marlinspike's parents....can't remember any others (sorry) 9) Has that meeting changed the way you cache? no 10) When unable to locate a cache how long do you search? 30 to 40 minutes, depending on time, weather, darkness, etc. a) How many attempts before logging a no-find? 2 b) Do you contact the cache owner for help? Haven't yet c) Do you ask other cachers for help? Don't recall if I have yet..... 11) When driving around are you tempted to go and look again at caches you have found before? Yes, to read the log book. But most up here require a hike, so I save my energy for new ones. 12) What has been the best trinket in a cache? A CD of music made esp for putting in caches (in Reno) blues, jazz and classic rock 13) What has been the worst trinket in a cache? Any kind of food, and lighters. I remove them. 14) Do you leave a signature item? No....I ran out of Jeep Posse buttons! a) Are you considering your own? Yes b) Who has the most notable? Don't know. Loran by reputation, I guess. I don't have one. 15) When in a populated area waiting to retrieve a cache what things do you do to pass the time? Sit and wait, people watch a) While waiting what was the worst thing to have happen? 2 bike police rode by VERY SLOWLY (actually, we were turning over rocks, so we wern't waiting technically) b) What has been the best thing? Nothing, haven't had to wait very often 16) Do you practice Cache in Trash out? Yes 17) Your own question for others? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Although no one can go back and make a brand new start, Anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Aug 25 20:37:39 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 13:37:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] survey of sorts... Message-ID: <20020825133742.6505.h014.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> I've never been mistaken for Bob Renner, but I do happen to think the he is quite handsome! :-) >>>>>>> The real "Lightning" On Thu, 22 August 2002, Bob Renner wrote: > > > 1) How did you get introduced to Geo Caching? > I read about it on sci.geo.satellite-nav > > 2) How long have you been a Geo Cacher? > Since 9-17-2000 > > 3) What is your present GPS'r? > e-Trex Legend > > a) What was your first GPS'r? > Garmin GPS-38 > > b) How many units have you owned? > 2 > > c) What unit(s) would you recommend to new > > cachers? > Personal preference is Garmin > > 4) How long did it take to locate your first cache? > About an hour hike in and walked right up to it. > > 5) What has been your most memorable cache? > Bronco Butte > > a) Why? > A great hike with some other cachers to a cache > that most pepple thought was impossible to hike > to. > > 6) What has been your least favorite cache? > A few of the urban caches that I would describe > as "Me too caches". > > a) Why? > They don't have a reason for being there. > > 7) What factors dictate which cache you go looking > > for? > If it sounds like an interesting place where I > haven't been before, or if it's close to home or > work. > > 8) How many other Geo Cachers have you met while on > > a caching hunt? > Maybe 4 or 5 other groups (Not counting the Happy > Hours and Picnics. > > 9) Has that meeting changed the way you cache? > No. > > 10) When unable to locate a cache how long do you > > search? > 30-40 minutes. > > a) How many attempts before logging a no-find? > Generally on the first time I actually look. > > b) Do you contact the cache owner for help? > Yes. > > c) Do you ask other cachers for help? > Not yet. > > 11) When driving around are you tempted to go and > > look again at caches you have found before? > No > > 12) What has been the best trinket in a cache? > Kermit the Frog Travel Bug before Travel Bugs > were "Official". > > 13) What has been the worst trinket in a cache? > A saline I.V. bag and needle. > > 14) Do you leave a signature item? > Not really - I have a happy face stamp for the > log book. > > a) Are you considering your own? > No > > b) Who has the most notable? > Probably the Sand Dollars > > 15) When in a populated area waiting to retrieve a > > cache what things do you do to pass the time? > I take a clip board with the cache sheet and > pretend to be officially inspecting the area. > > a) While waiting what was the worst thing to > > have happen? > N.A. > > b) What has been the best thing? > N.A. > > 16) Do you practice Cache in Trash out? > Yes > > 17) Your own question for others? > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Although no one can go back and make a brand new start, Anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Aug 25 20:46:50 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 13:46:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] More survey answers Message-ID: <20020825134651.4543.h006.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> I just noticed these questions were added: What's the one piece of advice you'd want to give to every Neocacher, so they wouldn't have to learn it the hard way? A: Learn how to use their GPSr very well. Be sure to use the correct settings (datum). Read everything on the cache page, (twice) and print it and take it with you. Look on a map of the area you are going to before you decide to try it. (And personally, I wanted to mention that you can cache just fine with the cache page print out, GPS and a map. It's nice if you have it, but you don't need all the advanced technology (downloads, internal map programs) to be successful and have fun. What if you get caught by someone? A: Another cacher, fine, we chat for awhile and maybe search together if it is a tough one. Non-cacher, depends. It has happened, and I explain what I am doing. Most are interested. How the heck do so many of you find soooooo many caches? N/A....I don't have that "many" by comparison! "Lightning" Prescott ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Although no one can go back and make a brand new start, Anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Aug 25 21:16:33 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Allyn Moore) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 14:16:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Question about a survey answer In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020823131509.0314eaf0@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: <20020825211633.88850.qmail@web12405.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1854341238-1030310193=:88840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The anatomy of failure is an interesting and individually variable thing, I suppose. I do not like to fail, so if I do not find a cache, I will try again, and maybe again, when I have opportunities to do so. I know that sometimes, the coordinates may be somewhat inaccurate, or the cache may come up missing. Bear Canyon Vista had some erroneous coordinates, but they were not off much, so I should have found it the first time. The Narrows is just plain missing; I found it several months ago (without a GPSr), but found only a plastic bag and a pencil on a return visit. Why did I go back? At Bear Canyon, (3 visits) I liked the area, had the opportunity, and was not ready to give up. Regarding the Narows, I was just in the area setting a cache in Bradshaw Meadow. Allyn --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes --0-1854341238-1030310193=:88840 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

The anatomy of failure is an interesting and individually variable thing, I suppose. I do not like to fail, so if I do not find a cache, I will try again, and maybe again, when I have opportunities to do so. I know that sometimes, the coordinates may be somewhat inaccurate, or the cache may come up missing. Bear Canyon Vista had some erroneous coordinates, but they were not off much, so I should have found it the first time. The Narrows is just plain missing; I found it several months ago (without a GPSr), but found only a plastic bag and a pencil on a return visit.

Why did I go back? At Bear Canyon, (3 visits) I liked the area, had the opportunity, and was not ready to give up. Regarding the Narows, I was just in the area setting a cache in Bradshaw Meadow.

Allyn

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Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes --0-1854341238-1030310193=:88840-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 26 00:20:42 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 17:20:42 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] What No Teams with 400 finds!!!!????!?!?!??!? Message-ID: <000801c24c96$6b4fea40$8229b83f@fishkiller> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C24C5B.BDC2F280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just checked and there are no teams with 400 finds now there are 2 teams = with 500 or more=20 I am sure glad that the weather is starting to cool, need to get busy.. PS Way to go Team Sand Dollar!!! ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C24C5B.BDC2F280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Just checked and there are no teams = with 400 finds=20 now there are 2 teams with 500 or more

I am sure glad that the weather is = starting to=20 cool, need to get busy..

PS Way to go Team Sand=20 Dollar!!!

------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C24C5B.BDC2F280-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 26 04:10:16 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bell, Robert) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 21:10:16 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Congrats to Tres Hombres Message-ID: Tres Hombres found their Tres Hundred! Congratulations Guys!! 100 a piece!! Rob Team CHUMP From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 26 05:20:34 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 22:20:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Pack Rat Fire Message-ID: <20020825222034.16998.h010.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Looking at the map, and hearing the latest news that the fire expanded, has topped the rim and is burning east up and down the rim....I wonder if or how soon the beloved RR Rim cache will be toast.....? Let us all pray for/hope for/think about cooler temp, higher humidity (or rain!) and calmer winds! "Lightning" Prescott ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Although no one can go back and make a brand new start, Anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 26 05:30:34 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Joe Brekke) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 22:30:34 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Survey Response References: Message-ID: <010a01c24cc1$b3dd0240$5a32a8c0@default> > 6) What has been your least favorite cache? Rescue Me's Hilly Hideout > GC35C6 > a) Why? It was our first, first find and we were reprimanded for not > logging in at all the stages. Yeah, what can I say Gordon? We were both new to this at the time and I was a real JERK!! I might use a few different words if this were not a public forum. Anyway, I will publicly apologize. Nice to see you"ve done most of the other caches we've set up. Joe TeamBlunder From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 26 05:55:22 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Coyote1022) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 22:55:22 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Survey Response In-Reply-To: <010a01c24cc1$b3dd0240$5a32a8c0@default> Message-ID: Thanks Joe :-) I think you hit the nail right on the head! LOL Now that we are both veterans to this sport, we can look back on such stuff and have a good chuckle! :-) I enjoy all your caches and hope to find some more. Gordon :-) Team Coyote1022 -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Joe Brekke Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 10:31 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Survey Response > 6) What has been your least favorite cache? Rescue Me's Hilly Hideout > GC35C6 > a) Why? It was our first, first find and we were reprimanded for not > logging in at all the stages. Yeah, what can I say Gordon? We were both new to this at the time and I was a real JERK!! I might use a few different words if this were not a public forum. Anyway, I will publicly apologize. Nice to see you"ve done most of the other caches we've set up. Joe TeamBlunder _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 26 05:52:19 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Joe Brekke) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 22:52:19 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] survey of sorts... References: <001d01c24a0f$b006dd80$8410b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: <011601c24cc4$bdd2b940$5a32a8c0@default> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0113_01C24C8A.114186A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Regan Smith=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 12:11 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] survey of sorts... Howdy After I take another statistics class I will put the results in some = other useless form but until then I will just group the best or most = popular answers together. Some questions are yes/no others are not keep = answers concise as possible. 1) How did you get introduced to Geo Caching? My brother came to visit for Christmas 2001, and he had had a = GPSr for some time, but heard about this on the flight down, so I went = out with him on his first finds. 2) How long have you been a Geo Cacher? Since Christmas 2001 3) What is your present GPS'r? eTrex a) What was your first GPS'r? Same b) How many units have you owned? 1 c) What unit(s) would you recommend to new cachers? Don't buy something really expensive...try this first to see = if you like it...I don't know how many people I see that quit after just = a few finds. If you like it then get something more exensive. 4) How long did it take to locate your first cache? Not including the walk about 10 seconds...saw it from about a = 100ft off...Squeeky's San Tan Park Cache 5) What has been your most memorable cache? Heiroglyphic Canyon a) Why? Was one of first caches...I had never seen heiroglyphs before, = (being new to Arizona) did it with my brother and his family...it was = fun, and great views. 6) What has been your least favorite cache? They've all been fun in one way or another a) Why? N/A 7) What factors dictate which cache you go looking for? Can I get to it with a baby back pack on and not endanger my = toddler. 8) How many other Geo Cachers have you met while on a caching hunt? I guess about 10 different teams. 9) Has that meeting changed the way you cache? I can't think of any way 10) When unable to locate a cache how long do you search? usually at least a half hour or so a) How many attempts before logging a no-find? Usually 1 b) Do you contact the cache owner for help? Haven't yet, but sounds like a good idea if I can't find one. c) Do you ask other cachers for help?=20 =20 Same answer. 11) When driving around are you tempted to go and look again at caches = you have found before? Nope... 12) What has been the best trinket in a cache? Albert Einstein Pig Travel Bug and Geofurby...that I made into = a Travel Bug 13) What has been the worst trinket in a cache? Matches, hair curler, ammo, Hershey's Kisses...If you don't = think those were melted.... 14) Do you leave a signature item? No a) Are you considering your own? No b) Who has the most notable? Haven't noticed 15) When in a populated area waiting to retrieve a cache what things = do you do to pass the time? Usually go to another cache a) While waiting what was the worst thing to have happen? My 10 year old had to pee really bad =20 b) What has been the best thing? met some other geocachers 16) Do you practice Cache in Trash out? sometimes 17) Your own question for others? What is the reason that BEST describes why you go out and = geocache...in other words what keeps you coming back for more? ------=_NextPart_000_0113_01C24C8A.114186A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Regan=20 Smith
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 = 12:11=20 PM

Subject: [Az-Geocaching] survey = of=20 sorts...

Howdy

After I take another statistics class = I will put=20 the results in some other useless form but until then I will just = group the=20 best or most popular answers together. Some questions are yes/no = others are=20 not keep answers concise as possible.

1) How did you get = introduced to=20 Geo Caching?

        = My brother=20 came to visit for Christmas 2001, and he had had a GPSr for some time, = but=20 heard about this on the flight down, so I went out with him on his = first=20 finds.

2) How long have you = been a Geo=20 Cacher?

        = Since=20 Christmas 2001

3) What is your = present=20 GPS'r?

       =20 eTrex

    = a) What was=20 your first GPS'r?

       =20 Same
    b) How many units have you = owned?

    =    =20 1

    c) = What unit(s)=20 would you recommend to new cachers?

        = Don't buy=20 something really expensive...try this first to see if you like it...I = don't=20 know how many people I see that quit after just a few finds. If = you like=20 it then get something more exensive.

4) How long did it = take to locate=20 your first cache?

        Not=20 including the walk about 10 seconds...saw it from about a 100ft=20 off...Squeeky's San Tan Park Cache

5) What has been your = most=20 memorable cache?

        = Heiroglyphic Canyon

    a) = Why?

        = Was one of=20 first caches...I had never seen heiroglyphs before, (being new to = Arizona) did=20 it with my brother and his family...it was fun, and great = views.

6) What has been your = least=20 favorite cache?

        = They've all=20 been fun in one way or another

    a) = Why?

        = N/A

7) What factors = dictate which cache=20 you go looking for?

        = Can I get=20 to it with a baby back pack on and not endanger my = toddler.

8) How many other Geo = Cachers have=20 you met while on a caching hunt?

        = I guess=20 about 10 different teams.

9) Has that meeting = changed the way=20 you cache?

        = I can't=20 think of any way

10) When unable to = locate a cache=20 how long do you search?

        = usually at=20 least a half hour or so

    a) = How many=20 attempts before logging a no-find?

        = Usually=20 1

    b) = Do you=20 contact the cache owner for help?

        = Haven't=20 yet, but sounds like a good idea if I can't find one.

    c) Do you=20 ask other cachers for help?



        = Same=20 answer.

11) When driving = around are you=20 tempted to go and look again at caches you have found = before?

        = Nope...

12) What has been the = best trinket=20 in a cache?

        = Albert=20 Einstein Pig Travel Bug and Geofurby...that I made into a Travel=20 Bug

13) What has been the = worst trinket=20 in a cache?

        = Matches,=20 hair curler, ammo, Hershey's Kisses...If you don't think those were=20 melted....

14) Do you leave a = signature=20 item?

        = No

    a) Are you=20 considering your own?

        = No

    b) = Who has the=20 most notable?

        = Haven't=20 noticed

15) When in a = populated area=20 waiting to retrieve a cache what things do you do to pass the=20 time?

        = Usually go=20 to another cache

    a) = While waiting=20 what was the worst thing to have happen?

        = My 10 year=20 old had to pee really bad

        =

    b) = What has been=20 the best thing?

        = met some=20 other geocachers

16) Do you = practice Cache in=20 Trash out?

        = sometimes

17) Your own question = for=20 others?

        What=20 is the reason that BEST describes why you go out and geocache...in = other words=20 what keeps you coming back for = more?

------=_NextPart_000_0113_01C24C8A.114186A0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 26 05:56:50 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Joe Brekke) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 22:56:50 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Congrats to Tres Hombres References: Message-ID: <012201c24cc5$5f2f5140$5a32a8c0@default> Great Job...congratulations. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bell, Robert" To: Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 9:10 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Congrats to Tres Hombres > > Tres Hombres found their Tres Hundred! > Congratulations Guys!! 100 a piece!! > > Rob > Team CHUMP > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 26 12:51:17 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Farquhar, Larry) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 05:51:17 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Congrats to Tres Hombres Message-ID: <5EDEA14A2792394EA7D482E702C4C6DB02254745@ipnismtp1.ipni.com> Congratulations Tres Hombres on your TERCENTIENNIAL cache find! Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com -----Original Message----- From: Bell, Robert [mailto:Robert.Bell@eclipsys.com] Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 9:10 PM To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Congrats to Tres Hombres Tres Hombres found their Tres Hundred! Congratulations Guys!! 100 a piece!! Rob Team CHUMP _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 26 13:09:23 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Coyote1022) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 06:09:23 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Congrats to Tres Hombres In-Reply-To: <012201c24cc5$5f2f5140$5a32a8c0@default> Message-ID: Team Coyote1022 would also like to congratulate Tres Hombres on their achievement. We would also like to congratulate all the other teams/members/geocachers that have reached notable goals recently. Way to go people! :-) Team Coyote1022 Gordon & Darlene From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 26 14:39:19 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ford, Denny) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 07:39:19 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Top 5 fav caches? Message-ID: Larry, I will have to say only a wise man knows when the proper time is to run, and personally I have had to do a similar dance, but add a whoa, (manly whoa, not a girlish scream). Luckily the cache was not in the hole. Denny -----Original Message----- From: connie.farquhar@cox.net [mailto:connie.farquhar@cox.net] Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 10:23 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Top 5 fav caches? I remember that one, as I was actually with him on this one, so I got to see him do the rattlesnake dance which included the jump, turn and run steps. Such memories...LOL Connie Team"Wyle E" -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of WOLFB8 Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 9:49 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Top 5 fav caches? Now Larry you have to have this one as part of your memory....can you recall which cache it is from.... It from back in the days when hunting caches was not enough for you and rattle snakes added a little something extra Part of Larry's log I've never seen a rattle snake in the wild before, so I wanted to search for Thorny's snakes. Well, it didn't take me long to find one! About 5' from the little cave, a 3' snake rattled at me. As Thorny warned, I didn't see it. Luckily, I wasn't close enough to him. I jumped back, and he slithered away. I've heard a rattler while on a cache hunt before, but now I've heard AND seen one. I'm done with rattle snake hunting. Got to love them long longs We will be known by the tracks we leave behind ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Farquhar To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 4:07 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Top 5 fav caches? Listing the top 5 caches is very difficult. Top 5 for difficulty? Top 5 for scenic? Top 5 for best adventure? Top 5 for 4WD trail? Top 5 for hike? Top 5 for historical value? I know - you mean Top 5 overall. That's what I can't decide. Overall changes for me, based on different selection criteria. I'm often asked what are my favorite caches in Arizona. I have a special memory for about half of the caches I've found in Arizona. Any one of them could be in my top 5 list, depending on what I'm rating them on. I guess there's about 150 more caches in Arizona that could be in my favorites list - once I find them. Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of CCoolman74@aol.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 3:14 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Top 5 fav caches? Hi everyone, I'm Cache-meifucan. I've posted a few times on here but not often enough to pretend to know what's going on, or consider myself an active poster, but that's going to change now. :o) In light of the recent survey, I was just curious as to what people's top 5 caches they have found were. I'm just going to sit down and do my own list so it'll be up later. Thanks in advance and happy caching! Chris Cache-meifucan _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 26 15:28:31 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Cody Brown) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 08:28:31 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] fire? campout? Message-ID: Even though the fire is burning, fire restrictions remain lifted. Cheryl and I were camping at the campout site this weekend. We saw the smoke and fire from Payson last night but its nowhere near the campsite. Weather was a little warm during the day but absolutely beautiful mornings and nights. Hope Team Snaptek can make it. Looking forward to some more of their fried chicken. :-) Cody & Cheryl Team CBX2 |---------+---------------------------------------------> | | Jason Poulter | | | Sent by: | | | az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeo| | | caching.com | | | | | | | | | 08/24/02 10:27 PM | | | Please respond to listserv | | | | |---------+---------------------------------------------> >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: listserv@azgeocaching.com | | cc: | | Subject: [Az-Geocaching] fire? campout? | >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| looks like the pack rat fire is pretty close to last years geocaching camp out location... i just saw it on the news and looked like it was pretty close to where we were going to have this years camp out... you know the news crappy graphics... so i thought i would check it out http://www.fs.fed.us/r3/fire/ http://www.fs.fed.us/r3/fire/webdaily/swalargefires/pack_rat.jpg they said should be contained by next weekend... hope it to spread... or cancel the campout... jason _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 26 15:43:51 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Cody Brown) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 08:43:51 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] GeoCachers in the news (again) Message-ID: http://www.arizonarepublic.com/arizona/articles/0826geocache26.html From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 26 15:48:22 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 08:48:22 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Republic's Follow-Up Message-ID: <000b01c24d18$03255f90$026fa8c0@OUR> The "Republic" has finally published a follow-up story, on Page One... of the "Local" section. Still talking about the "...18 known caches on or near archaeological sites..." without mentioning that many of them are virtual caches. But it's a step in the right direction. Mr. Hubbell talks about adopting rules and obtaining permission, both of which I favor. I just hope that when people seek permission that it will be granted from time to time, unlike the experience I had with another parks agency and which I have mentioned in an earlier posting. I'm also concerned about the county's request that caches be placed within three feet of trails. Isn't there some way that hiders and the park staff could jointly monitor the impact of placing a cache in a particular location, rather than coming up with an arbitrary restriction? With permissions (permits? Fine, IMO) being granted, that shouldn't be difficult. Finally, I note the "Republic's" new feature, the Unintentional Irony Department: In the same edition, on Page One of the "Living" section, there is an article about lightweight backpacks. In that article, there's a quote from a guy who is described as, "...an avid hiker who enjoys exploring off-trail routes in the Grand Canyon." Steve Team Tierra Buena "...attracting adventure-seekers but creating panic among authorities..." From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 26 16:09:49 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bob Renner) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:09:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] survey of sorts... In-Reply-To: <20020825133742.6505.h014.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: <20020826160949.27478.qmail@web40414.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Trisha! And I still don't think you were old enough to be driving a Ferarri 20 years ago.;) Bob --- trisha@brasher.com wrote: > I've never been mistaken for Bob Renner, but I do > happen to think the > he is quite handsome! :-) >>>>>>> > The real "Lightning" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 26 16:11:30 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: 26 Aug 2002 09:11:30 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] GeoCachers in the news (again) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1030378291.8106.17.camel@napita.snaptek.com> That wasn't too bad this time around. I don't really like how she phrased: "State stewards have connected the scavenger-hunt type game, pronounced "geo-cashing," to recent damage at relatively unknown archaeological sites after finding caches" It doesn't seem to cast any doubt as to who is doing the damage, but at least the rest of the article seem to be fairly pro-caching, and hopefully, for the greater non-caching masses, the rest of the article balances out that statement. Probably my biggest complaint about the whole article is the timing. I begged Ms. Leonard to wait about a week so that I could actually meet up with Rand Hubbell and discuss some of the problems that they feel exist. That way she could have some actual facts for her article, but she wanted to get a follow up article out right away while the last article was still semi-fresh in the back of peoples minds, and there was no talking her out of it. That of course kinds shot her in the foot since the article was published about a week and a half later than she thought it was going to be. Hind sight being 20/20 I wonder if she would have waited a day or so and let me meet up with Rand. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek On Mon, 2002-08-26 at 08:43, Cody Brown wrote: > > http://www.arizonarepublic.com/arizona/articles/0826geocache26.html > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 26 16:31:59 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bob Renner) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:31:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Republic's Follow-Up In-Reply-To: <000b01c24d18$03255f90$026fa8c0@OUR> Message-ID: <20020826163159.11017.qmail@web40404.mail.yahoo.com> Actually, the Grand Canyon does not restrict hikers to staying on the trails except in a few high usage areas. Indian Gardens campground (on the Bright Angel Trail) is one such spot. However, since most of the Canyon is more like a huge wilderness area, and the foot traffic is limited by the need for a permit for overnights, there are no trail-only restrictions like the more heavily used and smaller county parks. Many parts of the Grand Canyon do not have established trails, let alone maintained trails. They're just game trails that may or may not go where you want. Also, in the more remote usage areas, camping is at-large and not restricted to established campgrounds. Bob Renner --- Team Tierra Buena wrote: > ... > Finally, I note the "Republic's" new feature, the > Unintentional Irony > Department: In the same edition, on Page One of the > "Living" section, > there is an article about lightweight backpacks. In > that article, > there's a quote from a guy who is described as, > "...an avid hiker who > enjoys exploring off-trail routes in the Grand > Canyon." > > Steve > Team Tierra Buena > "...attracting adventure-seekers but creating panic > among > authorities..." > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 26 16:56:31 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:56:31 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Geocoins Message-ID: <20020826165634.PXXT4808.fed1mtao04.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> I'm in Texas on business and was checking to see if there were any caches nearby that I hadn't done when I came across a reference to geocoins. Looks like a variation on the traveler idea. Check this out. Looks interesting. http://www.txgeocoins.com/ Jerry Cache-Quest From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 26 17:06:58 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Farquhar, Larry) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:06:58 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Geocoins Message-ID: <5EDEA14A2792394EA7D482E702C4C6DB0225476A@ipnismtp1.ipni.com> Cool - I think cacher Moun10Biker in Idaho was the original creator of the Geocoin. I believe he originally made them traveller's, then started using them as signature items. Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com -----Original Message----- From: cache-quest@cox.net [mailto:cache-quest@cox.net] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 9:57 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Geocoins I'm in Texas on business and was checking to see if there were any caches nearby that I hadn't done when I came across a reference to geocoins. Looks like a variation on the traveler idea. Check this out. Looks interesting. http://www.txgeocoins.com/ Jerry Cache-Quest From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 26 17:38:35 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:38:35 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Republic's Follow-Up In-Reply-To: <20020826163159.11017.qmail@web40404.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001101c24d27$6889a670$026fa8c0@OUR> > Actually, the Grand Canyon does not restrict hikers to > staying on the trails except in a few high usage > areas. Bob, May I stand corrected while sitting down? Steve Team Tierra Buena "...attracting adventure-seekers but creating panic among authorities..." From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 26 17:38:35 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:38:35 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] GeoCachers in the news (again) In-Reply-To: <1030378291.8106.17.camel@napita.snaptek.com> Message-ID: <001301c24d27$6a698a00$026fa8c0@OUR> > Hind sight > being 20/20 I wonder if she would have waited a day or so and > let me meet up with Rand. Brian, Maybe you can have that meeting and then get yet another story out of it. Steve Team Tierra Buena "...attracting adventure-seekers but creating panic among authorities..." From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 26 18:08:47 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: 26 Aug 2002 11:08:47 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] GeoCachers in the news (again) In-Reply-To: <001301c24d27$6a698a00$026fa8c0@OUR> References: <001301c24d27$6a698a00$026fa8c0@OUR> Message-ID: <1030385328.8236.3.camel@napita.snaptek.com> On Mon, 2002-08-26 at 10:38, Team Tierra Buena wrote: > Brian, > > Maybe you can have that meeting and then get yet another story out of > it. Well, I know of at least 1 article for sure that is coming out pretty quick. I could probably give her a call and see if she wanted to put that into her article. There is another article that might be coming out in the independant. I'll have to stop driving over mine a dozen times before throwing it away, and start looking for that article. Of course I would probably drive over before throwing away any news paper that someone decided to litter in my yard with. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 26 18:27:32 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Mark Heitowit) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:27:32 -0700 Subject: [[Az-Geocaching] Republic's Follow-Up] Message-ID: <20020826183655.5037124A836@sequoia.net> This cartoon, which appeared in the Republic on Saturday, says it all. http://www.uclick.com/client/azc/nq/2002/08/24/index.html "Team Tierra Buena" wrote: > The "Republic" has finally published a follow-up story, on Page One... > of the "Local" section. Still talking about the "...18 known caches on > or near archaeological sites..." without mentioning that many of them > are virtual caches. > > But it's a step in the right direction. Mr. Hubbell talks about adopting > rules and obtaining permission, both of which I favor. I just hope that > when people seek permission that it will be granted from time to time, > unlike the experience I had with another parks agency and which I have > mentioned in an earlier posting. I'm also concerned about the county's > request that caches be placed within three feet of trails. Isn't there > some way that hiders and the park staff could jointly monitor the impact > of placing a cache in a particular location, rather than coming up with > an arbitrary restriction? With permissions (permits? Fine, IMO) being > granted, that shouldn't be difficult. > > Finally, I note the "Republic's" new feature, the Unintentional Irony > Department: In the same edition, on Page One of the "Living" section, > there is an article about lightweight backpacks. In that article, > there's a quote from a guy who is described as, "...an avid hiker who > enjoys exploring off-trail routes in the Grand Canyon." > > Steve > Team Tierra Buena > "...attracting adventure-seekers but creating panic among > authorities..." > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 26 18:38:17 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:38:17 -0700 Subject: [[Az-Geocaching] Republic's Follow-Up] In-Reply-To: <20020826183655.5037124A836@sequoia.net> Message-ID: <000001c24d2f$c0804a70$026fa8c0@OUR> > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On > Behalf Of Mark Heitowit > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 11:28 AM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [[Az-Geocaching] Republic's Follow-Up] > > > This cartoon, which appeared in the Republic on Saturday, says it all. How on earth did I miss that one? Thanks, Mark! Steve Team Tierra Buena "...attracting adventure-seekers but creating panic among authorities..." From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 26 20:06:21 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Cody Brown) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:06:21 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] More Press.. Message-ID: http://www.aztrib.com/evliving/evliving6.shtml From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 26 20:11:58 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bob Renner) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:11:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Republic's Follow-Up In-Reply-To: <001101c24d27$6889a670$026fa8c0@OUR> Message-ID: <20020826201158.98252.qmail@web40406.mail.yahoo.com> No. You must stand, face to the west (where I live), and say 5 Hail Renners. ;) Bob --- Team Tierra Buena wrote: > > Actually, the Grand Canyon does not restrict > hikers to > > staying on the trails except in a few high usage > > areas. > > Bob, > > May I stand corrected while sitting down? > > Steve > Team Tierra Buena > "...attracting adventure-seekers but creating panic > among > authorities..." > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 26 20:27:00 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:27:00 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: More Press.. Message-ID: We're going to have to start calling him "Famous Bob" http://www.aztrib.com/evliving/evliving6.shtml From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 26 20:50:08 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jason Poulter) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:50:08 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] More Press.. References: Message-ID: <3D6A9480.5020000@snaptek.com> what cache did he take them to in that picture there...? jason Cody Brown wrote: > http://www.aztrib.com/evliving/evliving6.shtml > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 26 21:08:27 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bob Renner) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:08:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] More Press.. In-Reply-To: <3D6A9480.5020000@snaptek.com> Message-ID: <20020826210827.17279.qmail@web40401.mail.yahoo.com> That is Libby's Black Canyon Trail cache. http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=8564 It looks like that was taken at waypoint 3. I was hoping Carrie would write the article as a cache hunter herself. I gave her a quick lesson on how to use the GPSr, and she led on the way in and did the hunting. Bob --- Jason Poulter wrote: > what cache did he take them to in that picture > there...? > > jason __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 26 21:11:44 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Allyn Moore) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:11:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Pack Rat Fire In-Reply-To: <20020825222034.16998.h010.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: <20020826211144.44766.qmail@web12405.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1692646084-1030396304=:44439 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Trisha, I thiink you are right; it looks like there is fire in the area of the RR Depot cache. The other fire up on the rim appears to be directly below the Rim Vista cache; I saw a map that showed several roads up on the rim in that area are closed due to the fire. Here in Payson, we can look right up the Beeline Highway and see the fire. It appears much worse today. At noon, I saw TV trucks from three channels up near Mesa Del Caballo where you can get a pretty good view, getting coverage. Allyn --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes --0-1692646084-1030396304=:44439 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Trisha, I thiink you are right; it looks like there is fire in the area of the RR Depot cache. The other fire up on the rim appears to be directly below the Rim Vista cache; I saw a map that showed several roads up on the rim in that area are closed due to the fire.

Here in Payson, we can look right up the Beeline Highway and see the fire. It appears much worse today. At noon, I saw TV trucks from three channels up near Mesa Del Caballo where you can get a pretty good view, getting coverage.

Allyn

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Dick Holmes Creepin' Jeepers -----Original Message----- From: Cody Brown [mailto:Brown.Cody@orbital.com] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 1:06 PM To: az-geocaching@listserv.snaptek.com; govierd@scottsdaleins.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] More Press.. http://www.aztrib.com/evliving/evliving6.shtml _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 26 21:43:30 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ford, Denny) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:43:30 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Pack Rat Fire Message-ID: If I remember both of these there is not a lot a fuel in the direct areas where the caches are, I just wonder if they will survive? Weekend before last did they not say that the Pack Rat Fire was fully contained, or the guy at the Strawberry School house told us that. -----Original Message----- From: Allyn Moore [mailto:allynmoore@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 2:12 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Pack Rat Fire Trisha, I thiink you are right; it looks like there is fire in the area of the RR Depot cache. The other fire up on the rim appears to be directly below the Rim Vista cache; I saw a map that showed several roads up on the rim in that area are closed due to the fire. Here in Payson, we can look right up the Beeline Highway and see the fire. It appears much worse today. At noon, I saw TV trucks from three channels up near Mesa Del Caballo where you can get a pretty good view, getting coverage. Allyn _____ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 26 22:54:16 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:54:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Pack Rat Fire Message-ID: <20020826155418.20848.h014.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> I think I heard them say the Pack Rat fire was mostly contained a coupl'a days ago, but with the lower humidity and higher temps and winds, it blew up again. I think. On Mon, 26 August 2002, "Ford, Denny" wrote: > > If I remember both of these there is not a lot a fuel in the direct > areas where the caches are, I just wonder if they > will survive? > > Weekend before last did they not say that the Pack Rat Fire was fully > contained, or the guy at the Strawberry School > house told us that. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Allyn Moore [mailto:allynmoore@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 2:12 PM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Pack Rat Fire > > > > Trisha, I thiink you are right; it looks like there is fire in the > area of the RR Depot cache. The other fire up on the > rim appears to be directly below the Rim Vista cache; I saw a map that > showed several roads up on the rim in that area > are closed due to the fire. > > Here in Payson, we can look right up the Beeline Highway and see the > fire. It appears much worse today. At noon, I saw > TV trucks from three channels up near Mesa Del Caballo where you can > get a pretty good view, getting coverage. > > Allyn > > > > > _____ > > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! > <http://rd.yahoo.com/finance/mailsig/new/*http://finance.yahoo.com>; > Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Although no one can go back and make a brand new start, Anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 26 23:06:42 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Cody Brown) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 16:06:42 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Pack Rat Fire Message-ID: I heard 75% before and now its at 20%. I'm watching this closely. Not only because of the campout, but Cheryl's parents live in Pine. I need to go home where I have my topo software and do some mapping. Cody Team CBX2 |---------+---------------------------------------------> | | trisha@brasher.com | | | Sent by: | | | az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeo| | | caching.com | | | | | | | | | 08/26/02 03:54 PM | | | Please respond to listserv | | | | |---------+---------------------------------------------> >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: listserv@azgeocaching.com | | cc: | | Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Pack Rat Fire | >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| I think I heard them say the Pack Rat fire was mostly contained a coupl'a days ago, but with the lower humidity and higher temps and winds, it blew up again. I think. On Mon, 26 August 2002, "Ford, Denny" wrote: > > If I remember both of these there is not a lot a fuel in the direct > areas where the caches are, I just wonder if they > will survive? > > Weekend before last did they not say that the Pack Rat Fire was fully > contained, or the guy at the Strawberry School > house told us that. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Allyn Moore [mailto:allynmoore@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 2:12 PM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Pack Rat Fire > > > > Trisha, I thiink you are right; it looks like there is fire in the > area of the RR Depot cache. The other fire up on the > rim appears to be directly below the Rim Vista cache; I saw a map that > showed several roads up on the rim in that area > are closed due to the fire. > > Here in Payson, we can look right up the Beeline Highway and see the > fire. It appears much worse today. At noon, I saw > TV trucks from three channels up near Mesa Del Caballo where you can > get a pretty good view, getting coverage. > > Allyn > > > > > _____ > > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! > <http://rd.yahoo.com/finance/mailsig/new/*http://finance.yahoo.com>; > Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Although no one can go back and make a brand new start, Anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 26 23:28:26 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 16:28:26 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Pack Rat Fire References: Message-ID: <002101c24d58$48152000$c329b83f@fishkiller> The news just said that the fire jumped one of the containment lines/ the old rim road and is growing fast as it went from almost contained to only 20% in quick order.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cody Brown" To: Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 4:06 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Pack Rat Fire > > I heard 75% before and now its at 20%. I'm watching this closely. Not > only because of the campout, but Cheryl's parents live in Pine. I need to > go home where I have my topo software and do some mapping. > > Cody > Team CBX2 > > > > > |---------+---------------------------------------------> > | | trisha@brasher.com | > | | Sent by: | > | | az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeo| > | | caching.com | > | | | > | | | > | | 08/26/02 03:54 PM | > | | Please respond to listserv | > | | | > |---------+---------------------------------------------> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------| > | | > | To: listserv@azgeocaching.com | > | cc: | > | Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Pack Rat Fire | > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------| > > > > > I think I heard them say the Pack Rat fire was mostly contained a > coupl'a days ago, but with the lower humidity and higher temps and > winds, it blew up again. I think. > > > On Mon, 26 August 2002, "Ford, Denny" wrote: > > > > > If I remember both of these there is not a lot a fuel in the direct > > areas where the caches are, I just wonder if they > > will survive? > > > > Weekend before last did they not say that the Pack Rat Fire was fully > > contained, or the guy at the Strawberry School > > house told us that. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Allyn Moore [mailto:allynmoore@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 2:12 PM > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Pack Rat Fire > > > > > > > > Trisha, I thiink you are right; it looks like there is fire in the > > area of the RR Depot cache. The other fire up on the > > rim appears to be directly below the Rim Vista cache; I saw a map > that > > showed several roads up on the rim in that area > > are closed due to the fire. > > > > Here in Payson, we can look right up the Beeline Highway and see the > > fire. It appears much worse today. At noon, I saw > > TV trucks from three channels up near Mesa Del Caballo where you can > > get a pretty good view, getting coverage. > > > > Allyn > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! > > < href=" > http://mail.brasher.com//jump/http://rd.yahoo.com/finance/mailsig/new/*http: //finance.yahoo.com> > ">http://rd.yahoo.com/finance/mailsig/new/*http://finance.yahoo.com>; > > Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list > > listserv@azgeocaching.com > > href=" > http://mail.brasher.com//jump/http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listi nfo/az-geocaching > ">http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > href="http://mail.brasher.com//jump/http://www.azgeocaching.com > ">http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > "Although no one can go back and > make a brand new start, > Anyone can start from now and > make a brand new ending." > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 27 00:15:34 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ed Philpott) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:15:34 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Congrats to Tres Hombres In-Reply-To: <5EDEA14A2792394EA7D482E702C4C6DB02254745@ipnismtp1.ipni.com> Message-ID: We add our congratulations to Tres Hombres. Glad to see the addiction is still going strong. Ed & Mimi Philpott Trail Gypsy -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Farquhar, Larry Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 5:51 AM To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Congrats to Tres Hombres Congratulations Tres Hombres on your TERCENTIENNIAL cache find! Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com -----Original Message----- From: Bell, Robert [mailto:Robert.Bell@eclipsys.com] Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 9:10 PM To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Congrats to Tres Hombres Tres Hombres found their Tres Hundred! Congratulations Guys!! 100 a piece!! Rob Team CHUMP _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 27 00:22:03 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team A.I.) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:22:03 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tribune article on geocaching Message-ID: <001101c24d5f$c4cd83b0$1900a8c0@FBIDaemon> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C24D25.183C5110 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.aztrib.com/evliving/evliving6.shtml It's a much more positive portrayal of the sport of geocaching (IMHO), = unlike the media witch-hunt that The Republic wants to run with. = Congrats to all those teams who were mentioned in the article! It's = great to have you folks as representatives of such a fun sport. Brian Team A.I. I haven't lost my mind. It's backed up on disk somewhere. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C24D25.183C5110 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

http://www.aztrib= .com/evliving/evliving6.shtml

It's a much more positive portrayal of = the sport of=20 geocaching (IMHO), unlike the media witch-hunt that The Republic wants = to run=20 with. Congrats to all those teams who were mentioned in the = article! =20 It's great to have you folks as representatives of such a fun=20 sport.

Brian

Team A.I.

I haven't lost my mind. It's = backed up on=20 disk somewhere.

------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C24D25.183C5110-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 27 02:42:55 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:42:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another Geocacher out of work Message-ID: <20020826194256.22096.h009.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Sorry about your unemployment, Bob. Interested in the Prescott area? (that's kinda a joke, there aren't many computer jobs here....) Still sorry and hope you find something, Trisha "Lightning" On Fri, 23 August 2002, Bob Renner wrote: > > Well, another geocacher has more free time on his > hands than desired. The company I was with has been > up and down for the past 10 months and it's more down > than up right now. Soooo... if anyone knows of any > companies looking for hardware design engineers, let > me know. > > Bob > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Although no one can go back and make a brand new start, Anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 27 02:45:56 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bob Renner) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:45:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another tercentennnial Message-ID: <20020827024556.83935.qmail@web40408.mail.yahoo.com> Congratulations to Trail Gypsy for their recent accomplishment. Bob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 27 02:46:18 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:46:18 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Original "Republic" Article Message-ID: <000c01c24d73$ec74a380$026fa8c0@OUR> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C24D39.4015CB80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone got a file with the original "Republic" article from August 7? I forgot to save one in a permanent form. Text or HTML is fine. Please post the file to the list server. Thanks in advance. Steve Team Tierra Buena "...attracting adventure-seekers but creating panic among authorities..." ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C24D39.4015CB80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

Has = anyone got a=20 file with the original "Republic" article from August 7? I forgot to = save one in=20 a permanent form. Text or HTML is fine. Please post the file to the list = server.=20 Thanks in advance.

Steve
Team Tierra = Buena
"...attracting adventure-seekers but = creating panic=20 among authorities..."

------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C24D39.4015CB80-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 27 03:09:14 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Patricia A. Fox) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:09:14 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: Az-Geocaching digest, Vol 1 #611 - 2 msgs In-Reply-To: <200208261905.MAA08051@ns2.sequoia.net> Message-ID: People like Mr. Hubbell seem to forget the meaning of terms like "Public Lands." Or how about "National Forests," "Federal Lands" is another good one. Perhaps I'm mistaken but this country was founded on the premise that the power of the "government" was to be in the hands of the people. That is, that we the people are the Federal Government and the lands are ours. The bureaucrats mistakenly believe that they make the rules! (Just as an aside, the vast majority of archeological discoveries of the last two centuries were made by or funded by "amateurs," not archeologists.) Foxslair. -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of az-geocaching-request@listserv.azgeocaching.com Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 12:05 PM To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com Subject: Az-Geocaching digest, Vol 1 #611 - 2 msgs Send Az-Geocaching mailing list submissions to az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to az-geocaching-request@listserv.azgeocaching.com You can reach the person managing the list at az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Az-Geocaching digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: [[Az-Geocaching] Republic's Follow-Up] (Mark Heitowit) 2. RE: [[Az-Geocaching] Republic's Follow-Up] (Team Tierra Buena) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:27:32 -0700 From: Mark Heitowit To: Subject: Re: [[Az-Geocaching] Republic's Follow-Up] Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com This cartoon, which appeared in the Republic on Saturday, says it all. http://www.uclick.com/client/azc/nq/2002/08/24/index.html "Team Tierra Buena" wrote: > The "Republic" has finally published a follow-up story, on Page One... > of the "Local" section. Still talking about the "...18 known caches on > or near archaeological sites..." without mentioning that many of them > are virtual caches. > > But it's a step in the right direction. Mr. Hubbell talks about adopting > rules and obtaining permission, both of which I favor. I just hope that > when people seek permission that it will be granted from time to time, > unlike the experience I had with another parks agency and which I have > mentioned in an earlier posting. I'm also concerned about the county's > request that caches be placed within three feet of trails. Isn't there > some way that hiders and the park staff could jointly monitor the impact > of placing a cache in a particular location, rather than coming up with > an arbitrary restriction? With permissions (permits? Fine, IMO) being > granted, that shouldn't be difficult. > > Finally, I note the "Republic's" new feature, the Unintentional Irony > Department: In the same edition, on Page One of the "Living" section, > there is an article about lightweight backpacks. In that article, > there's a quote from a guy who is described as, "...an avid hiker who > enjoys exploring off-trail routes in the Grand Canyon." > > Steve > Team Tierra Buena > "...attracting adventure-seekers but creating panic among > authorities..." > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Team Tierra Buena" To: Subject: RE: [[Az-Geocaching] Republic's Follow-Up] Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:38:17 -0700 Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On > Behalf Of Mark Heitowit > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 11:28 AM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [[Az-Geocaching] Republic's Follow-Up] > > > This cartoon, which appeared in the Republic on Saturday, says it all. How on earth did I miss that one? Thanks, Mark! Steve Team Tierra Buena "...attracting adventure-seekers but creating panic among authorities..." --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com End of Az-Geocaching Digest From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 27 03:04:17 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:04:17 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tercentenary Message-ID: <001a01c24d76$6fba5f80$026fa8c0@OUR> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C24D3B.C35B8780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Judi and I both congratulate Ed, Mimi, and the family on their "300 game". Steve Team Tierra Buena "...attracting adventure-seekers but creating panic among authorities..." ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C24D3B.C35B8780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

Judi = and I both=20 congratulate Ed, Mimi, and the family on their "300 = game".

Steve
Team=20 Tierra Buena
"...attracting adventure-seekers but creating panic among=20 authorities..."

------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C24D3B.C35B8780-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 27 03:39:36 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:39:36 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Original "Republic" Article References: <000c01c24d73$ec74a380$026fa8c0@OUR> Message-ID: <002601c24d7b$5f4b9420$5b49b83f@fishkiller> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C24D40.B173D7C0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0023_01C24D40.B173D7C0" ------=_NextPart_001_0023_01C24D40.B173D7C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageI have it on Word?... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Team Tierra Buena=20 To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 7:46 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Original "Republic" Article Has anyone got a file with the original "Republic" article from August = 7? I forgot to save one in a permanent form. Text or HTML is fine. = Please post the file to the list server. Thanks in advance. Steve Team Tierra Buena "...attracting adventure-seekers but creating panic among = authorities..." ------=_NextPart_001_0023_01C24D40.B173D7C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

I have it on Word?...

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Team Tierra Buena =
To: az-geocaching@lis= tserv.azgeocaching.com=20

Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 = 7:46=20 PM

Subject: [Az-Geocaching] = Original=20 "Republic" Article

Has = anyone got a=20 file with the original "Republic" article from August 7? I forgot to = save one=20 in a permanent form. Text or HTML is fine. Please post the file to the = list=20 server. Thanks in advance.

Steve
Team Tierra = Buena
"...attracting adventure-seekers but = creating panic=20 among authorities..."

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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA= ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C24D40.B173D7C0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 27 03:47:45 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:47:45 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Benefit(s) of Geocaching... Message-ID: <003501c24d7c$81a73e60$5b49b83f@fishkiller> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C24D41.D455C900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well folks The Fish in Team Evil Fish will have employment if the = background check comes back fine...Last week was going out to find some = more caches and needed some gas in the car so made a stop at the local = gas Station and while buying a soda and just before paying with the = Manager there asked about a job...(there was a sign in the window) and = the final interview today...Guess What??????? well yeah you know the = answer...but I figured there would be some sort of celebration maybe a = cache nearby hidden nearly drive by style...free/low cost drinks with = GPS... What new benefits have you found??? Thanks Team Evil Fish ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C24D41.D455C900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Well folks The Fish in Team Evil Fish = will have=20 employment if the background check comes back fine...Last week was going = out to=20 find some more caches and needed some gas in the car so made a stop at = the local=20 gas Station and while buying a soda and just before paying with the = Manager=20 there asked about a job...(there was a sign in the window) and the final = interview today...Guess What??????? well yeah you know the answer...but = I=20 figured there would be some sort of celebration maybe a cache nearby = hidden=20 nearly drive by style...free/low cost drinks with GPS...

What new benefits have you = found???

Thanks

Team Evil = Fish

------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C24D41.D455C900-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 27 03:51:13 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:51:13 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Original "Republic" Article In-Reply-To: <002601c24d7b$5f4b9420$5b49b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: <002401c24d7c$fddda500$026fa8c0@OUR> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C24D42.517ECD00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Word works for me. Thanks so much. Steve Team Tierra Buena "...attracting adventure-seekers but creating panic among authorities..." -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Regan Smith Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 8:40 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Original "Republic" Article I have it on Word?... ----- Original Message ----- From: Team Tierra Buena To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 7:46 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Original "Republic" Article Has anyone got a file with the original "Republic" article from August 7? I forgot to save one in a permanent form. Text or HTML is fine. Please post the file to the list server. Thanks in advance. Steve Team Tierra Buena "...attracting adventure-seekers but creating panic among authorities..." ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C24D42.517ECD00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

Word works for me. Thanks so = much.

Steve
Team=20 Tierra Buena
"...attracting adventure-seekers but creating panic among=20 authorities..."

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = Regan Smith
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 8:40 = PM
To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = Original=20 "Republic" Article

I have it on Word?...

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Team Tierra Buena =
To: az-geocaching@lis= tserv.azgeocaching.com=20

Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 = 7:46=20 PM

Subject: [Az-Geocaching] = Original=20 "Republic" Article

Has anyone got=20 a file with the original "Republic" article from August 7? I forgot = to save=20 one in a permanent form. Text or HTML is fine. Please post the file = to the=20 list server. Thanks in advance.

Steve
Team Tierra = Buena
"...attracting adventure-seekers but = creating=20 panic among authorities..."

------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C24D42.517ECD00-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 27 03:56:51 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:56:51 EDT Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Milestones Message-ID: --part1_fc.1cfa7faa.2a9c5283_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit AZSaluki would like to welcome Tres Hombres and Trail Gypsy to the 300 cache club. Congratulations!!! We are glad to have met both teams during our journeys. Hopefully we will run into you again on the quest for 400. Also a special congratulations to Sand Dollar for finding his 500th AZ cache. Good luck in the midwest. It may take another year but maybe now we will finally be able to catch you in the AZ finds. Finally congratulations to any other teams who have reached recent milestones that we have missed. So many cachers, so many milestones, it is hard to keep up. Jim & Kristen --part1_fc.1cfa7faa.2a9c5283_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit AZSaluki would like to welcome Tres Hombres and Trail Gypsy to the 300 cache club. Congratulations!!! We are glad to have met both teams during our journeys. Hopefully we will run into you again on the quest for 400.

Also a special congratulations to Sand Dollar for finding his 500th AZ cache. Good luck in the midwest. It may take another year but maybe now we will finally be able to catch you in the AZ finds.

Finally congratulations to any other teams who have reached recent milestones that we have missed. So many cachers, so many milestones, it is hard to keep up.

Jim & Kristen --part1_fc.1cfa7faa.2a9c5283_boundary-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Aug 26 22:21:35 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: 26 Aug 2002 15:21:35 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: Az-Geocaching digest, Vol 1 #611 - 2 msgs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1030400501.526.16.camel@snaptop> We descovered about a week ago from a message posted to the list by Rand Hubbell that the message that the republic printed to the world and Mr. Hubbell's attitude towards geocaching is quite a bit different. I still have to take him up on his lunch offer so that I can get some exact details, but so far what I have gathered is that everyone seems to like geocaching, but they would like us not to place caches on archeology sites. Placeing a cache on a archeology site is also against the rules on geocaching.com Their main reasoning is that the sites can have artifacts on or just underneath the ground that you might not even notice or know about but the foot traffic in the area can pulverize them so that when someone can and does get around to the site, important parts of history can be ground into powder. I tend to agree with their reasoning and would suggest that people remove or move to a safe distance all caches on archeology sites... even the virtual ones since they still show up on their radar and they don't solve the problem of eliminating traffic from these small areas. We should at least move the cache to a safe distance away and then inside the cache put coordinates to the site so that it doesn't show up on their radar and we get the blame for a kegger held on the site. I hope to see if there are any sites that they aren't worried about stuff underfoot that we could place caches at. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek On Mon, 2002-08-26 at 20:09, Patricia A. Fox wrote: > People like Mr. Hubbell seem to forget the meaning of terms like "Public > Lands." Or how about "National Forests," "Federal Lands" is another good > one. Perhaps I'm mistaken but this country was founded on the premise that > the power of the "government" was to be in the hands of the people. That > is, that we the people are the Federal Government and the lands are ours. > The bureaucrats mistakenly believe that they make the rules! (Just as an > aside, the vast majority of archeological discoveries of the last two > centuries were made by or funded by "amateurs," not archeologists.) > > Foxslair. > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of > az-geocaching-request@listserv.azgeocaching.com > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 12:05 PM > To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com > Subject: Az-Geocaching digest, Vol 1 #611 - 2 msgs > > Send Az-Geocaching mailing list submissions to > az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > az-geocaching-request@listserv.azgeocaching.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Az-Geocaching digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [[Az-Geocaching] Republic's Follow-Up] (Mark Heitowit) > 2. RE: [[Az-Geocaching] Republic's Follow-Up] (Team Tierra Buena) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:27:32 -0700 > From: Mark Heitowit > To: > Subject: Re: [[Az-Geocaching] Republic's Follow-Up] > Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > This cartoon, which appeared in the Republic on Saturday, says it all. > > http://www.uclick.com/client/azc/nq/2002/08/24/index.html > > "Team Tierra Buena" wrote: > > The "Republic" has finally published a follow-up story, on Page One... > > of the "Local" section. Still talking about the "...18 known caches on > > or near archaeological sites..." without mentioning that many of them > > are virtual caches. > > > > But it's a step in the right direction. Mr. Hubbell talks about adopting > > rules and obtaining permission, both of which I favor. I just hope that > > when people seek permission that it will be granted from time to time, > > unlike the experience I had with another parks agency and which I have > > mentioned in an earlier posting. I'm also concerned about the county's > > request that caches be placed within three feet of trails. Isn't there > > some way that hiders and the park staff could jointly monitor the impact > > of placing a cache in a particular location, rather than coming up with > > an arbitrary restriction? With permissions (permits? Fine, IMO) being > > granted, that shouldn't be difficult. > > > > Finally, I note the "Republic's" new feature, the Unintentional Irony > > Department: In the same edition, on Page One of the "Living" section, > > there is an article about lightweight backpacks. In that article, > > there's a quote from a guy who is described as, "...an avid hiker who > > enjoys exploring off-trail routes in the Grand Canyon." > > > > Steve > > Team Tierra Buena > > "...attracting adventure-seekers but creating panic among > > authorities..." > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list > > listserv@azgeocaching.com > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > From: "Team Tierra Buena" > To: > Subject: RE: [[Az-Geocaching] Republic's Follow-Up] > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:38:17 -0700 > Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On > > Behalf Of Mark Heitowit > > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 11:28 AM > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > Subject: Re: [[Az-Geocaching] Republic's Follow-Up] > > > > > > This cartoon, which appeared in the Republic on Saturday, says it all. > > How on earth did I miss that one? Thanks, Mark! > > Steve > Team Tierra Buena > "...attracting adventure-seekers but creating panic among > authorities..." > > > > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > End of Az-Geocaching Digest > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 27 05:41:21 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Coyote1022) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:41:21 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another milestone... In-Reply-To: <20020827024556.83935.qmail@web40408.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Congratulations to Trail Gypsy for their recent accomplishment. Team Coyote1022 stands humbled... Gordon & Darlene From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 27 06:43:55 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jason Poulter) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:43:55 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT Message-ID: <3D6B1FAB.2010308@snaptek.com> we set up a irc chat server so we can all meet in a chat room and yak about geocaching just click the link in the menu in the Snaptek Exclusives section. or you can use any irc client connect to... server: irc.azgeocaching.com port: 6666 hope to see ya there jason team snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 27 07:19:34 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:19:34 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT References: <3D6B1FAB.2010308@snaptek.com> Message-ID: <006c01c24d9a$1928c5c0$7f01b83f@fishkiller> Tried that and was unable to figure out any more.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Poulter" To: Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 11:43 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT > we set up a irc chat server so we can all meet in a chat room and yak > about geocaching > > just click the link in the menu in the Snaptek Exclusives section. > > or you can use any irc client connect to... > > server: irc.azgeocaching.com > port: 6666 > > hope to see ya there > > jason > team snaptek > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 27 12:21:19 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Farquhar, Larry) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 05:21:19 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another tercentennnial Message-ID: <5EDEA14A2792394EA7D482E702C4C6DB022547D0@ipnismtp1.ipni.com> Congrats Ed and Mimi! The next hundred is just around the corner! :) Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 27 14:54:33 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jerry Nelson) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 07:54:33 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT Message-ID: <20020827.075434.-775729.0.peakbagger2@juno.com> Oh, great. Like I don't already spend enough time reading these posts. Now we're now gonna have live chat. I'll be quitting my job, leaving family and friends and chatting when not caching. Why are you doing this to me??? :o) :o) Jerry Offtrail "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" On Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:43:55 -0700 Jason Poulter writes: > we set up a irc chat server so we can all meet in a chat room and yak > > about geocaching > > just click the link in the menu in the Snaptek Exclusives section. > > or you can use any irc client connect to... > > server: irc.azgeocaching.com > port: 6666 > > hope to see ya there > > jason > team snaptek > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 27 14:22:28 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Eric Quinn) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 07:22:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Benefit(s) of Geocaching... In-Reply-To: <003501c24d7c$81a73e60$5b49b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: <20020827142228.45790.qmail@web13105.mail.yahoo.com> --- Regan Smith wrote: > Well folks The Fish in Team Evil Fish will have > employment if the background check comes back > fine... I don't remember if you said what you did so I don't know if this is a horizontal step or a step down. At least it's something, congrats. Eric Team Dragon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 27 16:39:17 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:39:17 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Benefit(s) of Geocaching... References: <20020827142228.45790.qmail@web13105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001901c24de8$4a4ff260$a828b83f@fishkiller> Yes your right as it is something and there is plenty of room for advancement though it is in a different industry but money is money ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Quinn" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 7:22 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Benefit(s) of Geocaching... > > --- Regan Smith wrote: > > Well folks The Fish in Team Evil Fish will have > > employment if the background check comes back > > fine... > > I don't remember if you said what you did so I don't > know if this is a horizontal step or a step down. At > least it's something, congrats. > > > Eric > Team Dragon > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 27 17:06:38 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brent Milner) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 10:06:38 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: Az-Geocaching digest, Vol 1 #611 - 2 msgs In-Reply-To: <1030400501.526.16.camel@snaptop> Message-ID: Brian, What happens when a cache is placed near an archaelogical site, yet the cache owner doesn't even know it's an archaelogical site? I was surprised to learn that there are thousands and thousands of "secret" sites in Arizona. It seems that eventually, we're going to stumble on one without knowing it. What happens then? -FroBro Q-Tip -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Brian Cluff Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 3:22 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] RE: Az-Geocaching digest, Vol 1 #611 - 2 msgs We descovered about a week ago from a message posted to the list by Rand Hubbell that the message that the republic printed to the world and Mr. Hubbell's attitude towards geocaching is quite a bit different. I still have to take him up on his lunch offer so that I can get some exact details, but so far what I have gathered is that everyone seems to like geocaching, but they would like us not to place caches on archeology sites. Placeing a cache on a archeology site is also against the rules on geocaching.com Their main reasoning is that the sites can have artifacts on or just underneath the ground that you might not even notice or know about but the foot traffic in the area can pulverize them so that when someone can and does get around to the site, important parts of history can be ground into powder. I tend to agree with their reasoning and would suggest that people remove or move to a safe distance all caches on archeology sites... even the virtual ones since they still show up on their radar and they don't solve the problem of eliminating traffic from these small areas. We should at least move the cache to a safe distance away and then inside the cache put coordinates to the site so that it doesn't show up on their radar and we get the blame for a kegger held on the site. I hope to see if there are any sites that they aren't worried about stuff underfoot that we could place caches at. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek On Mon, 2002-08-26 at 20:09, Patricia A. Fox wrote: > People like Mr. Hubbell seem to forget the meaning of terms like "Public > Lands." Or how about "National Forests," "Federal Lands" is another good > one. Perhaps I'm mistaken but this country was founded on the premise that > the power of the "government" was to be in the hands of the people. That > is, that we the people are the Federal Government and the lands are ours. > The bureaucrats mistakenly believe that they make the rules! (Just as an > aside, the vast majority of archeological discoveries of the last two > centuries were made by or funded by "amateurs," not archeologists.) > > Foxslair. > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of > az-geocaching-request@listserv.azgeocaching.com > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 12:05 PM > To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com > Subject: Az-Geocaching digest, Vol 1 #611 - 2 msgs > > Send Az-Geocaching mailing list submissions to > az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > az-geocaching-request@listserv.azgeocaching.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Az-Geocaching digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [[Az-Geocaching] Republic's Follow-Up] (Mark Heitowit) > 2. RE: [[Az-Geocaching] Republic's Follow-Up] (Team Tierra Buena) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:27:32 -0700 > From: Mark Heitowit > To: > Subject: Re: [[Az-Geocaching] Republic's Follow-Up] > Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > This cartoon, which appeared in the Republic on Saturday, says it all. > > http://www.uclick.com/client/azc/nq/2002/08/24/index.html > > "Team Tierra Buena" wrote: > > The "Republic" has finally published a follow-up story, on Page One... > > of the "Local" section. Still talking about the "...18 known caches on > > or near archaeological sites..." without mentioning that many of them > > are virtual caches. > > > > But it's a step in the right direction. Mr. Hubbell talks about adopting > > rules and obtaining permission, both of which I favor. I just hope that > > when people seek permission that it will be granted from time to time, > > unlike the experience I had with another parks agency and which I have > > mentioned in an earlier posting. I'm also concerned about the county's > > request that caches be placed within three feet of trails. Isn't there > > some way that hiders and the park staff could jointly monitor the impact > > of placing a cache in a particular location, rather than coming up with > > an arbitrary restriction? With permissions (permits? Fine, IMO) being > > granted, that shouldn't be difficult. > > > > Finally, I note the "Republic's" new feature, the Unintentional Irony > > Department: In the same edition, on Page One of the "Living" section, > > there is an article about lightweight backpacks. In that article, > > there's a quote from a guy who is described as, "...an avid hiker who > > enjoys exploring off-trail routes in the Grand Canyon." > > > > Steve > > Team Tierra Buena > > "...attracting adventure-seekers but creating panic among > > authorities..." > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list > > listserv@azgeocaching.com > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > From: "Team Tierra Buena" > To: > Subject: RE: [[Az-Geocaching] Republic's Follow-Up] > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:38:17 -0700 > Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On > > Behalf Of Mark Heitowit > > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 11:28 AM > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > Subject: Re: [[Az-Geocaching] Republic's Follow-Up] > > > > > > This cartoon, which appeared in the Republic on Saturday, says it all. > > How on earth did I miss that one? Thanks, Mark! > > Steve > Team Tierra Buena > "...attracting adventure-seekers but creating panic among > authorities..." > > > > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > End of Az-Geocaching Digest > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 27 17:11:24 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:11:24 EDT Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Top 5 fav caches? Message-ID: OK, I finally narrowed my list to my top 5 overall favorite caches as of right now. It was harder than I expected, but it was fun to go thru the list and remember old adventures. Without further ado, here is my top 5. #5: In Plain View. Now gone I believe, one of the slyest cache's I've seen. I had to look twice before I realize where it was. #4: Happy Jacks Are Wild. Great location. The view is incredible and the hike to get to the cache is definitely interesting. #3: Freestone Follies. Tried this one on a day when everyone and there brother was there. Thought I had it narrowed down to the right spot, but when I returned I figured out where it really was. #2: The Meadow. Another cache that is no longer. One of the neatest areas I had been to looking for a cache. Came to this one on my very first caching trip ever when my uncle was showing me the game. We even claimed it first! Went back after it came up missing and was shocked at the devastation that the loggers had caused. I'm still thinking it's under all the rocks up there, that it just got buried. Maybe I'll take a metal detector and go look sometime.... And my #1: Peak-n-Easy. This was my first official first find. My uncle and I went after this one shortly after I got my GPS. He and I did it night caching which was probably a big mistake. lol I was watching his flashlight as we were looking for the second step when I saw it drop and I heard him slip. After his fall, and a couple of bruises we found it no problem. What a trip. Hope to hear some of your favorites! Chris Cache-meifucan From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 27 18:13:11 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken Akerman) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:13:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Geocachers find needles in big haystacks In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020503130304.00a72920@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: <20020827181311.42929.qmail@web21102.mail.yahoo.com> http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/evliving/evliving6.shtml From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 27 18:14:25 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:14:25 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Top 5 fav caches? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020827105356.027e20f0@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 01:11 PM 8/27/2002 -0400, you wrote: >OK, I finally narrowed my list to my top 5 overall favorite caches as of >right now. It was harder than I expected, but it was fun to go thru the list >and remember old adventures. Without further ado, here is my top 5. I have finally done the same thing, but my list is in no particular order. I had enough trouble getting down to 5, and there is no way that I can place an order on them. "Double or Nothing Cache" GC41CF. This is in a very nice little canyon that you would miss unless there was some reason to go out there. The drive in is very pretty, and the canyon is very quiet and peaceful. "Crossroads Knoll" GC349D. Even though this cache is not archived since it was on NPS land, the view from the location was absolutely breathtaking. I would still suggest that people take the couple mile hike to this location for no other reason than to enjoy the view. "Arizona Trail at Gardner Canyon" GC291B. This is a nice drive through Gardner Canyon and the cache location is in a nice little "oasis" area in the canyon. I would really like to go back and camp there. "Agent Polecat" GC367A. This is a great little multi-part cache that I am really surprised that more people have not found. The first leg is the real gem of this one, the views are spectacular. "910.285" GC57C8. This is my only urban cache on the list. This was a great cache that was so different than any other cache that we have found that I had to list it. I have a couple honorable mentions as well. "Helvetia Overlook" GC3EDE. This one could have been easily included in my list, but I guess I had to draw line somewhere. The view from this cache is great, and it is either a nice hike or a fun drive with the correct 4x4. "The Watermans - A Cache In A Cache" GC3D5B. This was a great cache with very scenic views. Even though it is not really a historical site, there is a lot of mining history in the area. These lists will change as I find more and more. I suspect that there are a few more Team Scotti caches that will push some of the others out of my list as well. If I looked at my list again tomorrow I might come up with a completely different set of caches as well. In liberty, Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 27 19:19:02 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Koch, Dan) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:19:02 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] 2002 Treasure Hunt Message-ID: I thought maybe some of you might be interested in this. Sorry if this is too off topic for some of you, but I have participated in The Hunt for the past 4 years and found it to be a lot of fun. As a matter of fact, I've seen several puzzles from past hunts turn up as cache puzzles! http://www.angelfire.com/az/treasurehunter/ The gist is this. It's a treasure hunt that take place in the north/northeast valley in the late evening/early night (6pm-1am). This year it is on November 16th. There are about 75 teams of 6 people that participate. There are 26 different clue sites that can be found (not that you could possibly make it to all of them within the time allotted). Standard treasure hunt protocol for the most part. All teams begin at the same point and are given a map of the hunt area with ~100 possible clue locations marked and directions to your first stage. The teams begin in a staggered fashion (one every 30 seconds or so) and begin at differing sites (first team goes to site A, second team to site B, etc. until they repeat and team 27 goes to site A, etc.) When you arrive at the first site, you will need find a clue/puzzle that you must decipher in order to find the next site. Remember, this is taking place at night in the desert so it may take some searching (and, no, there's no GPS coordinates for the locations, only the scale map!). This continues on in this fashion until the hunt ends at 11:30pm at Pinnacle Peak Patio. The results are tallied while the players get dinner (buffet with steak, chicken, lasagna, etc). The team with the best time per clue average is the winner (and agrees to be on the planning committee for the next three years. The team that comes in second is the real winner...) Disclaimer: I have nothing to do with the planning, organization or proceeds from the Hunt. I am only a participant, having come in as high as 16th last year. I am happy to answer any questions you may have about the Hunt, just let me know. Dan Team LazyK From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 27 19:35:09 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jim Scotti) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:35:09 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Top 5 fav caches? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 CCoolman74@aol.com wrote: > OK, I finally narrowed my list to my top 5 overall favorite caches as of > right now. It was harder than I expected, but it was fun to go thru the > list and remember old adventures. Without further ado, here is my top 5. It's hard to narrow it down to only 5 and I'm sure the list would change if I created it a 2nd time. This list is approximately in order. #1 910.285 - this is perhaps the most original cache I've run across. I had it figured out (more or less) before I did it, but I was wondering how it would be executed and it surprised me even so. #2 O Dog #2 - this cache was the first one I had to log a not found on. I spent a long time scrambling around the hillside it is on and probably looked right at the hiding place that I eventually found it at on my first try. A second visit with Team Rayzar a few weeks later was successful. I loved the hike in Agua Caliente creek/canyon and the challenge pops it onto my top 5 list. #3 Honey Bee Dam Cache - this is a lovely canyon hike near Tucson. There are pretroglyphs to be seen along the hike (some obvious, others not so obvious and a challenge to find) and the cache was well hidden. Neat little area! #4 LoveYouAlwaysDonna - This cache is in Red Rock Canyon west of Las Vegas. It's a really pretty area with an excellent display of crossbeded sandstone and nearby wrinkle ridges and other geology. Only drawback is that if you are in a hurry (like I was the day I visited it), you have to endure a 13 mile loop road with no bailout points and the cache is at a stop in the first half mile or so of the road. It is a lovely scenic drive, though! #5 The Quest - this was a fun two part cache. I was surprised it had gone so long without a visit. And a few more: Pocket Change - Excellent way of hiding a cache and only 200 meters from my office. G-O BOB - D'backs Baseball. Geocaching. Need I say more? Father Kino - This was a fun mulitcache. Too bad it didn't survive long. The clues to the end point were well done. Thompson Creek - I guess I like nice hikes. We did this one just after x-mas and it was a snowy pretty hike into the cache site. It's not far from Show Low (and northeast, so it was not affected by the Rodeo fire). Beautiful area! Jim. Jim Scotti Lunar & Planetary Laboratory jscotti@pirl.lpl.arizona.edu University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 USA http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 27 20:07:43 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:07:43 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Top 5 fav caches? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020827130105.02adc510@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 12:35 PM 8/27/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Father Kino - This was a fun mulitcache. Too bad it didn't survive long. >The clues to the end point were well done. I have been thinking about un-archiving it and turning the final leg into a virtual cache. As one of the people that have found it, what do you think Jim? I am sure that I could find a good target area there to make a virtual cache. In liberty, Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 27 20:32:23 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brent Milner) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:32:23 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another Geocacher out of work In-Reply-To: <20020823224905.69387.qmail@web40404.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bob, Do you have any operations experience? Business at my company (UNICON, Inc.) is really picking up lately, and it's slated to grow faster in the months to come. The economic decline has chased many people back into the classroom, which is good for us. We create online eLearning solutions for campuses and businesses around the globe. I talked with one of my bosses here at work, and he said that if you have operations experience, he'd like to see your resume. You can write me back at milner@unicon.net if you want to take this conversation off the entire listserv... Hoping I can help, Brent (aka. FroBro Q-Tip) -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Bob Renner Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 3:49 PM To: Arizona Geocaching List Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another Geocacher out of work Well, another geocacher has more free time on his hands than desired. The company I was with has been up and down for the past 10 months and it's more down than up right now. Soooo... if anyone knows of any companies looking for hardware design engineers, let me know. Bob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 27 20:36:55 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jim Scotti) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:36:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Top 5 fav caches? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020827130105.02adc510@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: Yeah, Scott, That would be great! I can think of two places (at least!) your final location could be that would be quite relevant to the name of the cache. The first is quite close to where you had it - like about 300 meters NNW if you get my meaning.... That place is screaming for a virtual anyway and I've already almost put one there myself. Jim. On Tue, 27 Aug 2002, Scott Wood wrote: > At 12:35 PM 8/27/2002 -0700, you wrote: > > >Father Kino - This was a fun mulitcache. Too bad it didn't survive long. > >The clues to the end point were well done. > > I have been thinking about un-archiving it and turning the final leg into a > virtual cache. As one of the people that have found it, what do you think > Jim? I am sure that I could find a good target area there to make a > virtual cache. > > > In liberty, > > Scott > > wood@myblueheaven.com > www.myblueheaven.com > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > Jim Scotti Lunar & Planetary Laboratory jscotti@pirl.lpl.arizona.edu University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 USA http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 27 20:48:08 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:48:08 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Top 5 fav caches? In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020827130105.02adc510@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020827134636.02aee390@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 01:36 PM 8/27/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Yeah, Scott, > That would be great! I can think of two places (at least!) your final >location could be that would be quite relevant to the name of the cache. >The first is quite close to where you had it - like about 300 meters NNW if >you get my meaning.... That place is screaming for a virtual anyway and I've >already almost put one there myself. As is often the case, we are thinking along the same lines here. The place that I have in mind will be about 300 meters from the old final location. Guess I will send geocaching.com a message and ask then to un-archive it. It will probably take me over the weekend to get the legs updated and turned back on. In liberty, Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 27 22:32:05 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:32:05 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT In-Reply-To: <3D6B1FAB.2010308@snaptek.com> Message-ID: <000801c24e19$934cfb80$026fa8c0@OUR> > or you can use any irc client connect to... > > server: irc.azgeocaching.com > port: 6666 Well, I got in, but it appears my client (mIRC) wants me in a channel. And somehow I don't think selecting "#TeenParty" is going to help me much. Steve Team Tierra Buena "...attracting adventure-seekers but creating panic among authorities..." From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 27 23:06:26 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (WOLFB8) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:06:26 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT References: <000801c24e19$934cfb80$026fa8c0@OUR> Message-ID: <00fb01c24e1e$606348a0$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F8_01C24DE3.B260D2C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable try joining channel geocaching We will be known by the tracks we leave behind ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Team Tierra Buena=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 3:32 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT > or you can use any irc client connect to... >=20 > server: irc.azgeocaching.com > port: 6666 Well, I got in, but it appears my client (mIRC) wants me in a channel. And somehow I don't think selecting "#TeenParty" is going to help me much. Steve Team Tierra Buena "...attracting adventure-seekers but creating panic among authorities..." _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com ------=_NextPart_000_00F8_01C24DE3.B260D2C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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> or you can use any irc client connect = to...
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<= /BLOCKQUOTE> ------=_NextPart_000_00F8_01C24DE3.B260D2C0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 27 23:08:42 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:08:42 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT In-Reply-To: <00fb01c24e1e$606348a0$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <000d01c24e1e$b1631000$026fa8c0@OUR> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C24DE4.05043800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Libby's advice got me up and running, but there's a lot I have to learn about this IRC stuff, it seems. But it is working, Steve Team Tierra Buena "...attracting adventure-seekers but creating panic among authorities..." -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of WOLFB8 Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 4:06 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT try joining channel geocaching We will be known by the tracks we leave behind ----- Original Message ----- From: Team Tierra Buena To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 3:32 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT > or you can use any irc client connect to... > > server: irc.azgeocaching.com > port: 6666 Well, I got in, but it appears my client (mIRC) wants me in a channel. And somehow I don't think selecting "#TeenParty" is going to help me much. Steve Team Tierra Buena "...attracting adventure-seekers but creating panic among authorities..." _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C24DE4.05043800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

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------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C24DE4.05043800-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 27 23:10:51 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Koch, Dan) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:10:51 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT Message-ID: Channel #azgeocaching is where I've been all day waiting... Dan Team LazyK -----Original Message----- From: Team Tierra Buena [mailto:teamtierrabuena@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 3:32 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT > or you can use any irc client connect to... > > server: irc.azgeocaching.com > port: 6666 Well, I got in, but it appears my client (mIRC) wants me in a channel. And somehow I don't think selecting "#TeenParty" is going to help me much. Steve Team Tierra Buena "...attracting adventure-seekers but creating panic among authorities..." _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 28 01:34:32 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jerry Nelson) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:34:32 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT Message-ID: <20020827.183435.-570021.1.peakbagger2@juno.com> I'm totally new to this also. I downloaded mIRC and joined a channel called #ircnewbies. Folks there seem extremely anxious to help. They told me to type /ircintro, or was it \ircintro. Anyway it brought up a large introduction to IRC which I saved as a word file, if anyone wants it. Can't get the link on Snaptek site to work yet. Jerry Offtrail "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:32:05 -0700 "Team Tierra Buena" writes: > > or you can use any irc client connect to... > > > > server: irc.azgeocaching.com > > port: 6666 > > Well, I got in, but it appears my client (mIRC) wants me in a > channel. > And somehow I don't think selecting "#TeenParty" is going to help > me > much. > > Steve > Team Tierra Buena > "...attracting adventure-seekers but creating panic among > authorities..." > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 28 00:01:22 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (WOLFB8) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:01:22 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT References: <20020827.183435.-570021.1.peakbagger2@juno.com> Message-ID: <011b01c24e26$41842be0$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0118_01C24DEB.5EFEB7C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable change the server to the one they listed and you will be with us We will be known by the tracks we leave behind ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jerry Nelson=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 6:34 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT I'm totally new to this also. I downloaded mIRC and joined a channel called #ircnewbies. Folks there seem extremely anxious to help. They told me to type /ircintro, or was it \ircintro. Anyway it brought up = a large introduction to IRC which I saved as a word file, if anyone = wants it. Can't get the link on Snaptek site to work yet. =20 Jerry Offtrail "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:32:05 -0700 "Team Tierra Buena" writes: > > or you can use any irc client connect to... > >=20 > > server: irc.azgeocaching.com > > port: 6666 >=20 > Well, I got in, but it appears my client (mIRC) wants me in a=20 > channel. > And somehow I don't think selecting "#TeenParty" is going to help=20 > me > much. >=20 > Steve > Team Tierra Buena > "...attracting adventure-seekers but creating panic among > authorities..." >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching >=20 > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com >=20 "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com ------=_NextPart_000_0118_01C24DEB.5EFEB7C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

change the server to the=20 one they listed and you will be with us

We will be known by the tracks we leave = behind

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From:=20 Jerry=20 Nelson

To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 = 6:34=20 PM

Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] AZ = GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT

I'm totally new to this also. I downloaded = mIRC and=20 joined a channel
called #ircnewbies. Folks there seem = extremely=20 anxious to help. They
told me to type /ircintro, or was it=20 \ircintro. Anyway it brought up a
large introduction to IRC = which I=20 saved as a word file, if anyone wants
it.

Can't get the link = on=20 Snaptek site to work yet.

Jerry
Offtrail
"Absence = of =20 evidence is not evidence of absence"

On Tue, 27 Aug = 2002=20 15:32:05 -0700 "Team Tierra Buena"
<teamtierrabuena@earthlink.n= et>=20 writes:
> > or you can use any irc client connect = to...
> >=20
> > server: irc.azgeocaching.com
> > port: = 6666
>=20
> Well, I got in, but it appears my client (mIRC) wants me in a =
> channel.
> And somehow I don't think selecting = "#TeenParty" is=20 going to help
> me
> much.
>
> Steve
> = Team=20 Tierra Buena
> "...attracting adventure-seekers but creating = panic=20 among
> authorities..."
>
>=20 _______________________________________________
> Az-Geocaching = mailing=20 list
> listserv@azgeocaching.com>=20 = http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching
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<= /BLOCKQUOTE> ------=_NextPart_000_0118_01C24DEB.5EFEB7C0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Aug 27 23:51:56 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:51:56 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT In-Reply-To: <20020827.183435.-570021.1.peakbagger2@juno.com> Message-ID: <001401c24e24$bb806be0$026fa8c0@OUR> > Can't get the link on Snaptek site to work yet. > > Jerry > Offtrail Jerry, This may be a case of the blind leading the visually impaired, but when you create the connection definition, make sure the port number is set to 6666. The mIRC default appears to be 6667. Steve Team Tierra Buena "...attracting adventure-seekers but creating panic among authorities..." From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 28 00:05:12 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:05:12 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT References: <001401c24e24$bb806be0$026fa8c0@OUR> Message-ID: <000701c24e26$95e91740$cc31b83f@fishkiller> Ok the same problem I get it to work but how do I send a message and such..???? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Team Tierra Buena" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 4:51 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT > > Can't get the link on Snaptek site to work yet. > > > > Jerry > > Offtrail > > Jerry, > > This may be a case of the blind leading the visually impaired, but when > you create the connection definition, make sure the port number is set > to 6666. The mIRC default appears to be 6667. > > Steve > Team Tierra Buena > "...attracting adventure-seekers but creating panic among > authorities..." > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 28 00:38:13 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:38:13 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT References: <001401c24e24$bb806be0$026fa8c0@OUR> <000701c24e26$95e91740$cc31b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: <000501c24e2b$3835b7c0$cc31b83f@fishkiller> ahh don;t sign in with Team as a first name that is the ticket ----- Original Message ----- From: "Regan Smith" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT > Ok the same problem I get it to work but how do I send a message and > such..???? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Team Tierra Buena" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 4:51 PM > Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT > > > > > Can't get the link on Snaptek site to work yet. > > > > > > Jerry > > > Offtrail > > > > Jerry, > > > > This may be a case of the blind leading the visually impaired, but when > > you create the connection definition, make sure the port number is set > > to 6666. The mIRC default appears to be 6667. > > > > Steve > > Team Tierra Buena > > "...attracting adventure-seekers but creating panic among > > authorities..." > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list > > listserv@azgeocaching.com > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 28 00:38:43 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Coyote1022) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:38:43 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Channel is: geocaching not: azgeocaching server is: irc.azgeocaching.com port is: 6666 I'm in the chat room now with Offtrail Gordon Coyote1022 -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Koch, Dan Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 4:11 PM To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT Channel #azgeocaching is where I've been all day waiting... Dan Team LazyK -----Original Message----- From: Team Tierra Buena [mailto:teamtierrabuena@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 3:32 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT > or you can use any irc client connect to... > > server: irc.azgeocaching.com > port: 6666 Well, I got in, but it appears my client (mIRC) wants me in a channel. And somehow I don't think selecting "#TeenParty" is going to help me much. Steve Team Tierra Buena "...attracting adventure-seekers but creating panic among authorities..." _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 28 02:40:09 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jerry Nelson) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:40:09 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT Message-ID: <20020827.194009.-570021.2.peakbagger2@juno.com> OK, I made it in finally. Thanks Libby. On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:51:56 -0700 "Team Tierra Buena" writes: > > Can't get the link on Snaptek site to work yet. > > > > Jerry > > Offtrail > > Jerry, > > This may be a case of the blind leading the visually impaired, but > when > you create the connection definition, make sure the port number is > set > to 6666. The mIRC default appears to be 6667. > > Steve > Team Tierra Buena > "...attracting adventure-seekers but creating panic among > authorities..." > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 28 00:48:09 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:48:09 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT References: Message-ID: <000d01c24e2c$9565cec0$cc31b83f@fishkiller> been chatting in azgeocaching ----- Original Message ----- From: "Team Coyote1022" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 5:38 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT > Channel is: geocaching > not: azgeocaching > server is: irc.azgeocaching.com > port is: 6666 > > I'm in the chat room now with Offtrail > > Gordon > Coyote1022 > > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Koch, > Dan > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 4:11 PM > To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' > Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT > > > Channel #azgeocaching is where I've been all day waiting... > > Dan > Team LazyK > > -----Original Message----- > From: Team Tierra Buena [mailto:teamtierrabuena@earthlink.net] > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 3:32 PM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT > > > > or you can use any irc client connect to... > > > > server: irc.azgeocaching.com > > port: 6666 > > Well, I got in, but it appears my client (mIRC) wants me in a channel. > And somehow I don't think selecting "#TeenParty" is going to help me > much. > > Steve > Team Tierra Buena > "...attracting adventure-seekers but creating panic among > authorities..." > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 28 00:48:32 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Koch, Dan) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:48:32 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT Message-ID: Actually, there is one called #azgeocaching. Team Tierra Buena, EvilFish, TeamAI and I are there now. Dan Team LazyK -----Original Message----- From: Team Coyote1022 [mailto:teamcoyote1022@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 5:39 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT Channel is: geocaching not: azgeocaching server is: irc.azgeocaching.com port is: 6666 I'm in the chat room now with Offtrail Gordon Coyote1022 -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Koch, Dan Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 4:11 PM To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT Channel #azgeocaching is where I've been all day waiting... Dan Team LazyK -----Original Message----- From: Team Tierra Buena [mailto:teamtierrabuena@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 3:32 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT > or you can use any irc client connect to... > > server: irc.azgeocaching.com > port: 6666 Well, I got in, but it appears my client (mIRC) wants me in a channel. And somehow I don't think selecting "#TeenParty" is going to help me much. Steve Team Tierra Buena "...attracting adventure-seekers but creating panic among authorities..." _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 28 01:32:03 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Coyote1022) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:32:03 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just signed off from azgeocaching channel. What a kick being able to chat with fellow cachers! Team Coyote1022 Gordon :-) -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Koch, Dan Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 5:49 PM To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT Actually, there is one called #azgeocaching. Team Tierra Buena, EvilFish, TeamAI and I are there now. Dan Team LazyK -----Original Message----- From: Team Coyote1022 [mailto:teamcoyote1022@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 5:39 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT Channel is: geocaching not: azgeocaching server is: irc.azgeocaching.com port is: 6666 I'm in the chat room now with Offtrail Gordon Coyote1022 -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Koch, Dan Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 4:11 PM To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT Channel #azgeocaching is where I've been all day waiting... Dan Team LazyK -----Original Message----- From: Team Tierra Buena [mailto:teamtierrabuena@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 3:32 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT > or you can use any irc client connect to... > > server: irc.azgeocaching.com > port: 6666 Well, I got in, but it appears my client (mIRC) wants me in a channel. And somehow I don't think selecting "#TeenParty" is going to help me much. Steve Team Tierra Buena "...attracting adventure-seekers but creating panic among authorities..." _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 28 03:05:05 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ed Philpott) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 20:05:05 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Glad someone figured it out. I have never done the chat room thing before I must be to slow to figure it out. Got in OK, but that was never could figure out how to send a message. Ed Trail Gypsy -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Team Coyote1022 Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 6:32 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT Just signed off from azgeocaching channel. What a kick being able to chat with fellow cachers! Team Coyote1022 Gordon :-) -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Koch, Dan Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 5:49 PM To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT Actually, there is one called #azgeocaching. Team Tierra Buena, EvilFish, TeamAI and I are there now. Dan Team LazyK -----Original Message----- From: Team Coyote1022 [mailto:teamcoyote1022@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 5:39 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT Channel is: geocaching not: azgeocaching server is: irc.azgeocaching.com port is: 6666 I'm in the chat room now with Offtrail Gordon Coyote1022 -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Koch, Dan Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 4:11 PM To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT Channel #azgeocaching is where I've been all day waiting... Dan Team LazyK -----Original Message----- From: Team Tierra Buena [mailto:teamtierrabuena@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 3:32 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT > or you can use any irc client connect to... > > server: irc.azgeocaching.com > port: 6666 Well, I got in, but it appears my client (mIRC) wants me in a channel. And somehow I don't think selecting "#TeenParty" is going to help me much. Steve Team Tierra Buena "...attracting adventure-seekers but creating panic among authorities..." _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 28 03:29:36 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 20:29:36 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002f01c24e43$23e5e700$026fa8c0@OUR> Ed, You have to connect to a channel. The channel named #Azgeocaching is where most folks have been hanging out. You'll probably have to type it in, depending on what IRC client you're using. Steve Team Tierra Buena "...attracting adventure-seekers but creating panic among authorities..." > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On > Behalf Of Ed Philpott > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 8:05 PM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT > > > Glad someone figured it out. I have never done the chat room > thing before I must be to slow to figure it out. Got in OK, > but that was never could figure out how to send a message. > > Ed > Trail Gypsy > > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On > Behalf Of Team Coyote1022 > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 6:32 PM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT > > > Just signed off from azgeocaching channel. What a kick being > able to chat with fellow cachers! Team Coyote1022 Gordon :-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On > Behalf Of Koch, Dan > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 5:49 PM > To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' > Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT > > > Actually, there is one called #azgeocaching. Team Tierra > Buena, EvilFish, TeamAI and I are there now. > > Dan > Team LazyK > > -----Original Message----- > From: Team Coyote1022 [mailto:teamcoyote1022@cox.net] > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 5:39 PM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT > > > Channel is: geocaching > not: azgeocaching > server is: irc.azgeocaching.com > port is: 6666 > > I'm in the chat room now with Offtrail > > Gordon > Coyote1022 > > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On > Behalf Of Koch, Dan > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 4:11 PM > To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' > Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT > > > Channel #azgeocaching is where I've been all day waiting... > > Dan > Team LazyK > > -----Original Message----- > From: Team Tierra Buena [mailto:teamtierrabuena@earthlink.net] > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 3:32 PM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT > > > > or you can use any irc client connect to... > > > > server: irc.azgeocaching.com > > port: 6666 > > Well, I got in, but it appears my client (mIRC) wants me in a > channel. And somehow I don't think selecting "#TeenParty" is > going to help me much. > > Steve > Team Tierra Buena > "...attracting adventure-seekers but creating panic among > authorities..." > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocachin g Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 28 03:47:52 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (WOLFB8) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 20:47:52 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT References: Message-ID: <017401c24e46$1dd3eb20$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0171_01C24E0B.036D59A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable there a block on the client your using you type and in it and hit enter to send We will be known by the tracks we leave behind ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ed Philpott=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 8:05 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT Glad someone figured it out. I have never done the chat room thing = before I must be to slow to figure it out. Got in OK, but that was never could figure out how to send a message. Ed Trail Gypsy -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of = Team Coyote1022 Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 6:32 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT Just signed off from azgeocaching channel. What a kick being able to = chat with fellow cachers! Team Coyote1022 Gordon :-) -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of = Koch, Dan Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 5:49 PM To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT Actually, there is one called #azgeocaching. Team Tierra Buena, = EvilFish, TeamAI and I are there now. Dan Team LazyK -----Original Message----- From: Team Coyote1022 [mailto:teamcoyote1022@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 5:39 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT Channel is: geocaching not: azgeocaching server is: irc.azgeocaching.com port is: 6666 I'm in the chat room now with Offtrail Gordon Coyote1022 -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of = Koch, Dan Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 4:11 PM To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT Channel #azgeocaching is where I've been all day waiting... Dan Team LazyK -----Original Message----- From: Team Tierra Buena [mailto:teamtierrabuena@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 3:32 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT > or you can use any irc client connect to... > > server: irc.azgeocaching.com > port: 6666 Well, I got in, but it appears my client (mIRC) wants me in a channel. And somehow I don't think selecting "#TeenParty" is going to help me much. Steve Team Tierra Buena "...attracting adventure-seekers but creating panic among authorities..." _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com ------=_NextPart_000_0171_01C24E0B.036D59A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

there a block on the client your using = you type and=20 in it

and hit enter to send

We will be known by the tracks we leave behind

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Ed=20 Philpott

To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 = 8:05=20 PM

Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] AZ = GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT

Glad someone figured it out. I have never done = the chat=20 room thing before I
must be to slow to figure it out. Got in = OK, but=20 that was never could
figure out how to send a = message.

Ed
Trail=20 Gypsy

-----Original Message-----
From: az-geocachi= ng-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@lis= tserv.azgeocaching.com]On=20 Behalf Of Team
Coyote1022
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 6:32 = PM
To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.comSubject:=20 RE: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT

Just signed off = from=20 azgeocaching channel. What a kick being able to chat
with = fellow=20 cachers!
Team Coyote1022
Gordon :-)

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: az-geocachi= ng-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@lis= tserv.azgeocaching.com]On=20 Behalf Of Koch,
Dan
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 5:49 = PM
To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com'
Subject:=20 RE: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT

Actually, there = is one=20 called #azgeocaching. Team Tierra Buena, EvilFish,
TeamAI and = I are=20 there now.

Dan
Team LazyK

-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Team Coyote1022 [mailto:teamcoyote1022@cox.net]
Sent: Tuesday, = August 27,=20 2002 5:39 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.comSubject:=20 RE: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT

Channel is:=20 geocaching
not: azgeocaching
server is: = irc.azgeocaching.com
port is:=20 6666

I'm in the chat room now with=20 Offtrail

Gordon
Coyote1022

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: az-geocachi= ng-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@lis= tserv.azgeocaching.com]On=20 Behalf Of Koch,
Dan
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 4:11 = PM
To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com'
Subject:=20 RE: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT

Channel = #azgeocaching=20 is where I've been all day waiting...

Dan
Team=20 LazyK

-----Original Message-----
From: Team Tierra Buena=20 [mailto:teamtierrabuena@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, = 2002 3:32=20 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.comSubject:=20 RE: [Az-Geocaching] AZ GEOCACHING LIVE CHAT

> or you can = use any=20 irc client connect to...
>
> server: = irc.azgeocaching.com
>=20 port: 6666

Well, I got in, but it appears my client (mIRC) = wants me in=20 a channel.
And somehow I don't think selecting "#TeenParty" is = going to=20 help me
much.

Steve
Team Tierra Buena
"...attracting=20 adventure-seekers but creating panic=20 = among
authorities..."

_________________________________________= ______
Az-Geocaching=20 mailing list
listserv@azgeocaching.com= http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching
Arizona's=20 Geocaching Resource
http://www.azgeocaching.com
_= ______________________________________________
Az-Geocaching=20 mailing list
listserv@azgeocaching.com= http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching
Arizona's=20 Geocaching Resource
http://www.azgeocaching.com
_= ______________________________________________
Az-Geocaching=20 mailing list
listserv@azgeocaching.com= http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching
Arizona's=20 Geocaching Resource
http://www.azgeocaching.com
_= ______________________________________________
Az-Geocaching=20 mailing list
listserv@azgeocaching.com= http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching
Arizona's=20 Geocaching Resource
http://www.azgeocaching.com
<= BR>_______________________________________________
Az-Geocaching=20 mailing list
listserv@azgeocaching.com= http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching
Arizona's=20 Geocaching Resource
http://www.azgeocaching.com
<= BR>_______________________________________________
Az-Geocaching=20 mailing list
listserv@azgeocaching.com= http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching
Arizona's=20 Geocaching Resource
http://www.azgeocaching.com
<= /BLOCKQUOTE> ------=_NextPart_000_0171_01C24E0B.036D59A0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 28 03:48:54 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Coyote1022) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 20:48:54 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another century mark conquered... Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C24E0B.28668790 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Congrats to Team MYBLUEHEAVEN for hitting the century mark today. Way to go!! :-) Team Coyote1022 Gordon & Darlene ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C24E0B.28668790 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Congrats to Team=20 MYBLUEHEAVEN for hitting the century mark today. Way to go!! = :-)

Team=20 Coyote1022

Gordon &=20 Darlene

------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C24E0B.28668790-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 28 04:33:51 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:33:51 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another century mark conquered... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020827213317.02790b50@mail.myblueheaven.com> --=====================_88340493==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:48 PM 8/27/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Congrats to Team MYBLUEHEAVEN for hitting the century mark today. Way to >go!! :-) Thanks. What really made it a great geocaching day is that I had one of my long lost travel bugs show up in a cache in Idaho today. In liberty, Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com --=====================_88340493==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 08:48 PM 8/27/2002 -0700, you wrote:

Congrats to Team MYBLUEHEAVEN for hitting the century mark today. Way to go!! :-)

Thanks. What really made it a great geocaching day is that I had one of my long lost travel bugs show up in a cache in Idaho today.

In liberty,

Scott

wood@myblueheaven.com

www.myblueheaven.com

--=====================_88340493==_.ALT-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 28 12:05:07 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Farquhar, Larry) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 05:05:07 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another century mark conquered... Message-ID: <5EDEA14A2792394EA7D482E702C4C6DB02254864@ipnismtp1.ipni.com> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C24E8B.26BF5810 Content-Type: text/plain It's about time! Congratulations Team My Blue Heaven! Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com -----Original Message----- From: Team Coyote1022 [mailto:teamcoyote1022@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 8:49 PM To: Listserv@Azgeocaching.Com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another century mark conquered... Congrats to Team MYBLUEHEAVEN for hitting the century mark today. Way to go!! :-) Team Coyote1022 Gordon & Darlene ------_=_NextPart_001_01C24E8B.26BF5810 Content-Type: text/html Message

It's about time! Congratulations Team My Blue Heaven!

Larry Farquhar
Team "Wyle E"
www.happy-wanderers.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Team Coyote1022 [mailto:teamcoyote1022@cox.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 8:49 PM
To: Listserv@Azgeocaching.Com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another century mark conquered...

Congrats to Team MYBLUEHEAVEN for hitting the century mark today. Way to go!! :-)

Team Coyote1022

Gordon & Darlene

------_=_NextPart_001_01C24E8B.26BF5810-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 28 13:19:23 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bell, Robert) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 06:19:23 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another century mark conquered... Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C24E95.86D1B860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hooray Tucson! Congratulations Scott - welcome to Triple Digits. You're officially in the addicted club! Rob Team CHUMP -----Original Message----- From: Scott Wood [mailto:wood@myblueheaven.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 21:34 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Another century mark conquered... At 08:48 PM 8/27/2002 -0700, you wrote: Congrats to Team MYBLUEHEAVEN for hitting the century mark today. Way to go!! :-) Thanks. What really made it a great geocaching day is that I had one of my long lost travel bugs show up in a cache in Idaho today. In liberty, Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01C24E95.86D1B860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hooray Tucson!

Congratulations Scott - welcome to Triple Digits.

You're officially in the addicted club!

Rob

Team CHUMP

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Wood [mailto:wood@myblueheaven.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 21:34
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Another century mark conquered...

At 08:48 PM 8/27/2002 -0700, you wrote:

Congrats to Team MYBLUEHEAVEN for hitting the century mark today. Way to go!! :-)

Thanks. What really made it a great geocaching day is that I had one of my long lost travel bugs show up in a cache in Idaho today.

In liberty,

Scott

wood@myblueheaven.com

www.myblueheaven.com

------_=_NextPart_001_01C24E95.86D1B860-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 28 15:27:57 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (teamcbx2) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 08:27:57 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another century mark conquered... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C24E6C.D061CCA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We add our congrats to MYBLUEHEAVEN good hunting!! TeamCBx2 -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Team Coyote1022 Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 8:49 PM To: Listserv@Azgeocaching.Com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another century mark conquered... Congrats to Team MYBLUEHEAVEN for hitting the century mark today. Way to go!! :-) Team Coyote1022 Gordon & Darlene ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C24E6C.D061CCA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

We add=20 our congrats to MYBLUEHEAVEN good hunting!!

TeamCBx2

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of = Team=20 Coyote1022
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 8:49 = PM
To:=20 Listserv@Azgeocaching.Com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another = century=20 mark conquered...

Congrats to=20 Team MYBLUEHEAVEN for hitting the century mark today. Way to = go!! =20 :-)

Team=20 Coyote1022

Gordon &=20 Darlene

------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C24E6C.D061CCA0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 28 15:40:09 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jim Scotti) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 08:40:09 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another century mark conquered... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I already sent my congrats privately, but congratulations Scott and Ann (Team My Blue Heaven) for getting to 100! The first Tucson cacher to reach that milestone. Well done and hopefully your second hundred will be as enjoyable as your first! Jim. Jim Scotti Lunar & Planetary Laboratory jscotti@pirl.lpl.arizona.edu University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 USA http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 28 13:11:59 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team A.I.) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 06:11:59 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] IRC issues Message-ID: <002a01c24e94$7e23b1b0$1900a8c0@FBIDaemon> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C24E59.D1A65530 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If anyone needs additional assistance, I'm available to help. I've been = an IRC user for >4 years, and can help you with some shortcuts that = autojoin you to your desired channels, as well as hook you up to the = proper server automatically upon launching the program. Also, mIRC is = good, and Trillian is an excellent alternative that allows you to chat = through Yahoo!Messenger, MSN, AIM, ICQ as well. E-mail me direct or in the mailing list if you need help. Brian Team A.I. I haven't lost my mind. It's backed up on disk somewhere. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C24E59.D1A65530 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

If anyone needs additional assistance, = I'm=20 available to help. I've been an IRC user for >4 years, and can = help you=20 with some shortcuts that autojoin you to your desired channels, as well = as hook=20 you up to the proper server automatically upon launching the = program. =20 Also, mIRC is good, and Trillian is an excellent alternative that allows = you to=20 chat through Yahoo!Messenger, MSN, AIM, ICQ as well.

E-mail me direct or in the mailing list = if you need=20 help.

Brian

Team A.I.

I haven't lost my mind. It's = backed up on=20 disk somewhere.

------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C24E59.D1A65530-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 28 16:57:11 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:57:11 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another century mark conquered... In-Reply-To: <5EDEA14A2792394EA7D482E702C4C6DB02254864@ipnismtp1.ipni.co m> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020828095458.0219fb40@mail.myblueheaven.com> --=====================_3690443==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:05 AM 8/28/2002 -0700, you wrote: >It's about time! Congratulations Team My Blue Heaven! Thanks. I sat down last night to read through some of the logs for caches in California that we found last January. These are caches that are in the Lake Elsinore and Temecula area. I didn't think that there was much chance that there would be any names I recognized, but NO, there was Wyle E. :-) Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache --=====================_3690443==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 05:05 AM 8/28/2002 -0700, you wrote:

It's about time! Congratulations Team My Blue Heaven!

Thanks.

I sat down last night to read through some of the logs for caches in California that we found last January. These are caches that are in the Lake Elsinore and Temecula area. I didn't think that there was much chance that there would be any names I recognized, but NO, there was Wyle E. :-)

Scott

Team My Blue Heaven

www.myblueheaven.com/geocache

--=====================_3690443==_.ALT-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 28 17:05:31 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:05:31 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another century mark conquered... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020828100442.021a6a90@mail.myblueheaven.com> --=====================_3690524==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:19 AM 8/28/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Hooray Tucson! >Congratulations Scott - welcome to Triple Digits. >You're officially in the addicted club! WooHoo! I have felt addicted all along, but it is nice to have it be official. I just hope that the next 100 are as much fun as the first 100. Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache --=====================_3690524==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 06:19 AM 8/28/2002 -0700, you wrote:

Hooray Tucson!
Congratulations Scott - welcome to Triple Digits.
You're officially in the addicted club!

WooHoo!

I have felt addicted all along, but it is nice to have it be official. I just hope that the next 100 are as much fun as the first 100.

Scott

Team My Blue Heaven

www.myblueheaven.com/geocache

--=====================_3690524==_.ALT-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Aug 28 23:07:44 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:07:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Failure and Suggestion Message-ID: <20020828160750.23236.h015.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> (tentatively raising hand...)....um, I write. I have a novel (mystery) about 1/3 done.... well, outlined, and 1/3 rough draft done.. Trisha "Lightning" On Sat, 24 August 2002, "Joanna Strohn" wrote: > > LOL! > > Thanks. I do happen to be a writer by profession. > > I don't do fiction but you've started the wheels spinning. Maybe when > I get > a bit more experience I can do a cache story (with real caches). > > -- Joanna > > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Team > Coyote1022 > Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 1:27 PM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Failure and Suggestion > > > Who needs FICTION when we have a writer like WingRider right here in > our > midst? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of > Jerry > Nelson > Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 12:21 PM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Failure and Suggestion > > > > This game itself is so new that we are all newbies, although I suppose > relatively speaking, someone who has been doing this close to a year or > more is considered an old timer. Those who are very new may not have > noticed the "geocachers' etiquette" link on the snaptek site so visit > http://www.azgeocaching.com/etiquette.html?gsc=8a2e851bf9c215e62974ea6cad > d4f8fc > if you haven't seen it. Even though the last paragraph is still a bit > controversial it states the reasons quite nicely for posting timely > "can't find" logs after one try. > > I love the idea of a "cachers code" to identify others.:o) I also > would > enjoy seeing more accounts of experiences like below. Can anyone here > write fiction? A story with a geocaching theme would have a small but > certain audience. > > Jerry > Offtrail > > > On Sat, 24 Aug 2002 09:26:13 -0700 "Joanna Strohn" <joanna@msn.com> > writes: > > As a newbie, I was under the impression that a "no find" is a > > failure. Thus > > I didn't log last weekend's failure. I will log this weekend's > > failure (no > > find) when I finally find the cache. > > > > Early this morning I put together my cache pack. It's essentially > > the same > > as my dog pack except I've added the GPS, pen and paper, notes, and > > some > > goodies. Put the leash on Sargeant and headed off. At the parking > > area saw a > > man and dog and instantly wondered if he was a cacher. A couple > > words polite > > conversation. Wished there was someway to find out if he was a > > cacher > > without asking directly. Thought of another group I belong to where > > there's > > an identifying phrase. > > > > So my suggestion is: > > > > When someone sees someone who may be a cacher, comment: > > > > "It's a nice day to cache some rays." > > > > With the response: > > > > "I hope I cache something!" > > > > Or some such ... what do you guys think? > > > > Went to where I thought the cache was. Instead of a solo homeless > > duffle, > > the owner was sitting beside it. Oh oh. Casually walked past as if I > > was > > simply walking the dog. I was puzzled. Since my failure the cache > > had been > > found. Was I looking in the wrong place? I walked around. Hm. Maybe. > > I > > decided I wasn't into climbing or walking through a lot of sand. > > Wished I > > had my hiking pole and decided to add it to future search gear. I > > decided to > > head back to the car and take a differnt approach. > > > > I think I stumbled as Sargeant pulled as I prepared to cross the > > street. > > Fell heavily on both knees, palms, face. Lay there in the road > > stunned and > > hurting. Pulled myself to a sitting position and felt sick. Gathered > > my GPS, > > broken prescription sunglasses, pack-out trash bag, and scooted to > > the side > > of the road. The thought of putting pressure on my shredded knees > > was not > > appealing so I simply sat, trying to calm myself and do a check of > > the > > damage. > > > > Homeless came along and asked if I needed help. I was grateful for > > the hand > > up. Returned home to clean my wounds. > > > > Cache kit will be expanded with hiking stick =and= first aid kit. > > Maybe > > tennies and jeans rather than sandals and shorts too! > > > > To the plus: I am dyeing the silk handkerchiefs I plan to leave when > > I do > > find a cache. > > > > -- WingRider (Stubborn 'R Us) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list > > listserv@azgeocaching.com > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Although no one can go back and make a brand new start, Anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 29 00:34:29 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: 28 Aug 2002 17:34:29 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: Az-Geocaching digest, Vol 1 #611 - 2 msgs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1030581269.2853.28.camel@fone.snaptek.com> I asked that exact question, and offered to write a system that would e-mail someone the moment a cache was placed near a site and was told that he was all for that, but that the information was illegal for him to pass on, so what I was told was that we should not place a cache near a site that has obvious archeology stuff on it, but if we happen to put a cache in the middle of nowhere and it also happens to be an archeology site, the cache will be comfiscated and the owner can pick it up at the address (or coordinates... very cool!) listed on the paper that will be left behind. They should also be notified. If the cache is just near a site, and there doesn't seem to be any problems caused by the cachers, they would probably just leave the cache there, because it's more important that the site stays secret that it is to get rid of nearby cachers that aren't causing any harm. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek On Tue, 2002-08-27 at 10:06, Brent Milner wrote: > Brian, > > What happens when a cache is placed near an archaelogical site, yet the > cache owner doesn't even know it's an archaelogical site? I was surprised to > learn that there are thousands and thousands of "secret" sites in Arizona. > It seems that eventually, we're going to stumble on one without knowing it. > What happens then? > > -FroBro Q-Tip > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Brian > Cluff > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 3:22 PM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] RE: Az-Geocaching digest, Vol 1 #611 - 2 > msgs > > > We descovered about a week ago from a message posted to the list by Rand > Hubbell that the message that the republic printed to the world and Mr. > Hubbell's attitude towards geocaching is quite a bit different. > > I still have to take him up on his lunch offer so that I can get some > exact details, but so far what I have gathered is that everyone seems to > like geocaching, but they would like us not to place caches on > archeology sites. Placeing a cache on a archeology site is also against > the rules on geocaching.com Their main reasoning is that the sites can > have artifacts on or just underneath the ground that you might not even > notice or know about but the foot traffic in the area can pulverize them > so that when someone can and does get around to the site, important > parts of history can be ground into powder. > I tend to agree with their reasoning and would suggest that people > remove or move to a safe distance all caches on archeology sites... even > the virtual ones since they still show up on their radar and they don't > solve the problem of eliminating traffic from these small areas. We > should at least move the cache to a safe distance away and then inside > the cache put coordinates to the site so that it doesn't show up on > their radar and we get the blame for a kegger held on the site. > I hope to see if there are any sites that they aren't worried about > stuff underfoot that we could place caches at. > > Brian Cluff > Team Snaptek > > On Mon, 2002-08-26 at 20:09, Patricia A. Fox wrote: > > People like Mr. Hubbell seem to forget the meaning of terms like "Public > > Lands." Or how about "National Forests," "Federal Lands" is another good > > one. Perhaps I'm mistaken but this country was founded on the premise > that > > the power of the "government" was to be in the hands of the people. That > > is, that we the people are the Federal Government and the lands are ours. > > The bureaucrats mistakenly believe that they make the rules! (Just as an > > aside, the vast majority of archeological discoveries of the last two > > centuries were made by or funded by "amateurs," not archeologists.) > > > > Foxslair. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of > > az-geocaching-request@listserv.azgeocaching.com > > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 12:05 PM > > To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com > > Subject: Az-Geocaching digest, Vol 1 #611 - 2 msgs > > > > Send Az-Geocaching mailing list submissions to > > az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > az-geocaching-request@listserv.azgeocaching.com > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Az-Geocaching digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: [[Az-Geocaching] Republic's Follow-Up] (Mark Heitowit) > > 2. RE: [[Az-Geocaching] Republic's Follow-Up] (Team Tierra Buena) > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:27:32 -0700 > > From: Mark Heitowit > > To: > > Subject: Re: [[Az-Geocaching] Republic's Follow-Up] > > Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > This cartoon, which appeared in the Republic on Saturday, says it all. > > > > http://www.uclick.com/client/azc/nq/2002/08/24/index.html > > > > "Team Tierra Buena" wrote: > > > The "Republic" has finally published a follow-up story, on Page One... > > > of the "Local" section. Still talking about the "...18 known caches on > > > or near archaeological sites..." without mentioning that many of them > > > are virtual caches. > > > > > > But it's a step in the right direction. Mr. Hubbell talks about adopting > > > rules and obtaining permission, both of which I favor. I just hope that > > > when people seek permission that it will be granted from time to time, > > > unlike the experience I had with another parks agency and which I have > > > mentioned in an earlier posting. I'm also concerned about the county's > > > request that caches be placed within three feet of trails. Isn't there > > > some way that hiders and the park staff could jointly monitor the impact > > > of placing a cache in a particular location, rather than coming up with > > > an arbitrary restriction? With permissions (permits? Fine, IMO) being > > > granted, that shouldn't be difficult. > > > > > > Finally, I note the "Republic's" new feature, the Unintentional Irony > > > Department: In the same edition, on Page One of the "Living" section, > > > there is an article about lightweight backpacks. In that article, > > > there's a quote from a guy who is described as, "...an avid hiker who > > > enjoys exploring off-trail routes in the Grand Canyon." > > > > > > Steve > > > Team Tierra Buena > > > "...attracting adventure-seekers but creating panic among > > > authorities..." > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list > > > listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 2 > > From: "Team Tierra Buena" > > To: > > Subject: RE: [[Az-Geocaching] Republic's Follow-Up] > > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:38:17 -0700 > > Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > > > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On > > > Behalf Of Mark Heitowit > > > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 11:28 AM > > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > Subject: Re: [[Az-Geocaching] Republic's Follow-Up] > > > > > > > > > This cartoon, which appeared in the Republic on Saturday, says it all. > > > > How on earth did I miss that one? Thanks, Mark! > > > > Steve > > Team Tierra Buena > > "...attracting adventure-seekers but creating panic among > > authorities..." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list > > listserv@azgeocaching.com > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > > End of Az-Geocaching Digest > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list > > listserv@azgeocaching.com > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 29 01:13:10 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (WOLFB8) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:13:10 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] banned References: <1030581269.2853.28.camel@fone.snaptek.com> Message-ID: <008301c24ef9$904a3200$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C24EBE.9120E4C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ok really do not know what I did to get banned from the server for the = chat room.....help We will be known by the tracks we leave behind ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C24EBE.9120E4C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

ok really do not know what I did to get = banned from=20 the server for the chat room.....help

We will be known by the tracks we leave behind

------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C24EBE.9120E4C0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 29 03:14:38 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Justin Sever) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 20:14:38 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another century mark conquered... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002701c24f0a$35ab20f0$0200a8c0@laptop7500> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C24ECF.894C48F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Way to guys! I know it is twice as tough for you guys down there in Tucson! Keep up the good work! -Frobro Goose -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Team Coyote1022 Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 8:49 PM To: Listserv@Azgeocaching.Com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another century mark conquered... Congrats to Team MYBLUEHEAVEN for hitting the century mark today. Way to go!! :-) Team Coyote1022 Gordon & Darlene ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C24ECF.894C48F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

Way to=20 guys! I know it is twice as tough for you guys down there in = Tucson! Keep up the good work!

-Frobro Goose

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From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = Team Coyote1022
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 8:49=20 PM
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Subject: = [Az-Geocaching]=20 Another century mark conquered...

Congrats to=20 Team MYBLUEHEAVEN for hitting the century mark today. Way to = go!! =20 :-)

Team=20 Coyote1022

Gordon &=20 Darlene

------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C24ECF.894C48F0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 29 03:26:34 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ed Philpott) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 20:26:34 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] banned In-Reply-To: <008301c24ef9$904a3200$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C24ED1.342708E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Libby, you are still listed as being on the server. Have you tried recently? -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of WOLFB8 Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 6:13 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] banned ok really do not know what I did to get banned from the server for the chat room.....help We will be known by the tracks we leave behind ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C24ED1.342708E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Libby,=20 you are still listed as being on the server. Have you tried=20 recently?

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We will be known by the tracks we leave behind

------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C24ED1.342708E0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 29 04:18:19 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:18:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Top 5 fav caches? Message-ID: <20020828211821.19803.h006.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> I think if I had to pick only 5 favorite caches, I'd have to include: Bag's Bowl, and 6 of 7, because I love the high country views and trees (around Flag); in Reno, "Reno View" a multi, including a locationless, benchmark, virtual and traditional cache leading to a great view of Reno (evening). 4.....the 4 "downtown virtuals" at the Capitol, because I had never been there and it was SO interesting and educational. and 5.....the Perseid Meteor Campout last year with associated 4 team assualt on the Rim RR Depot cache (sadly, probably toast....) hard physically but satisfying, and fun team work.... Trisha "lightning" AND MAN< DO WE EVER HAVE LIGHTNING RIGHT NOW IN PRESCOTT! Brting on the rain! On Tue, 27 August 2002, Scott Wood wrote: > > At 01:36 PM 8/27/2002 -0700, you wrote: > >Yeah, Scott, > > That would be great! I can think of two places (at least!) your > final > >location could be that would be quite relevant to the name of the > cache. > >The first is quite close to where you had it - like about 300 meters > NNW if > >you get my meaning.... That place is screaming for a virtual anyway > and I've > >already almost put one there myself. > > As is often the case, we are thinking along the same lines here. The > place > that I have in mind will be about 300 meters from the old final > location. > > Guess I will send geocaching.com a message and ask then to un-archive > it. It will probably take me over the weekend to get the legs updated > and > turned back on. > > > In liberty, > > Scott > > wood@myblueheaven.com > www.myblueheaven.com > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Although no one can go back and make a brand new start, Anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 29 04:53:59 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:53:59 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] A good? Great day caching Message-ID: <001f01c24f18$17df1320$e6e8b141@fishkiller> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C24EDD.6A59BC80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Went on a short trip ran a few errands then stopped by a cache only to = spot another cacher, got out of the car sans a GPS but with a diversion, = and after telling them I was there for the same reason spotted the = cache...after talking for who knows how long Brian of Team A.I. and I = Regan the Fish of Team Evil Fish decided to meet out at his house to = attempt the Silly Mountain caches, a real nice guy and family...just as = we left his house it started hailing so we waited, at the parking area = there had running water. I had attempted these caches solo last Monday = but was unable to find them and received no help from the lizards....We = were able to pretty much walk right to the caches, much to my = surprise.. though we covered them better when we left.. now I wrote all of that so I could tell you this: I took with me a = bracelet from China for a trade item which Brian took for his daughter. = it wasn't until we were back at his home and I had to run to make it = back home on time that he knew I had placed that item. So Brian yes that bracelet has real shells and pearls from China and if = it does break I have a few others.. I am looking forward to other cache outings with you and to continue = meeting other fine GeoCachers Thanks for the Great Day ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C24EDD.6A59BC80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Went on a short trip ran a few errands = then stopped=20 by a cache only to spot another cacher, got out of the car sans a = GPS but=20 with a diversion, and after telling them I was there for the same reason = spotted=20 the cache...after talking for who knows how long Brian of Team A.I. and = I Regan=20 the Fish of Team Evil Fish decided to meet out at his house to attempt = the Silly=20 Mountain caches, a real nice guy and family...just as we left his house = it=20 started hailing so we waited, at the parking area there had running = water.=20 I had attempted these caches solo last Monday but was unable to find = them and=20 received no help from the lizards....We were able to pretty much = walk=20 right to the caches, much to my surprise.. though we covered them better = when we=20 left..

now I wrote all of that so I could tell = you this: I=20 took with me a bracelet from China for a trade item which Brian took for = his=20 daughter. it wasn't until we were back at his home and I had to run to = make it=20 back home on time that he knew I had placed that item.

So Brian yes that bracelet has real = shells and=20 pearls from China and if it does break I have a few = others..

I am looking forward to other cache = outings with=20 you and to continue meeting other fine GeoCachers

Thanks for the Great = Day

------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C24EDD.6A59BC80-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 29 05:26:11 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (teamcbx2) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:26:11 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] And its Yellow :-) Message-ID: 2003 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon http://www.jeep.com/autoshow/news_events/rubicon_premiere.html From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 29 12:25:51 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Farquhar, Larry) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 05:25:51 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] And its Yellow :-) Message-ID: <5EDEA14A2792394EA7D482E702C4C6DB02254935@ipnismtp1.ipni.com> Yea - I've been threatening Connie that I want to trade-in for the Rubicon. It's Jeep's most off-road equipped Jeep ever made. I don't think pricing has been announced yet. Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com -----Original Message----- From: teamcbx2 [mailto:teamcbx2@ev1.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 10:26 PM To: Az-Geocaching Listserv Subject: [Az-Geocaching] And its Yellow :-) 2003 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon http://www.jeep.com/autoshow/news_events/rubicon_premiere.html From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 29 12:31:43 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 05:31:43 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] And its Yellow :-) In-Reply-To: <5EDEA14A2792394EA7D482E702C4C6DB02254935@ipnismtp1.ipni.com> Message-ID: <000a01c24f58$08072ec0$1e01a8c0@connie> Keep dreaming sweetie. Connie Team "Wyle E" > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of > Farquhar, Larry > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 5:26 AM > To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' > Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] And its Yellow :-) > > > Yea - I've been threatening Connie that I want to trade-in for > the Rubicon. > It's Jeep's most off-road equipped Jeep ever made. I don't think > pricing has > been announced yet. > > Larry Farquhar > Team "Wyle E" > www.happy-wanderers.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: teamcbx2 [mailto:teamcbx2@ev1.net] > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 10:26 PM > To: Az-Geocaching Listserv > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] And its Yellow :-) > > > 2003 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon > > http://www.jeep.com/autoshow/news_events/rubicon_premiere.html > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 29 13:18:02 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Holmes, Richard) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 06:18:02 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] And its Yellow :-) Message-ID: Go for it! Great color, too. Wonder if they'll be bringing the Ltd out in it. Dick Creepin' Jeepers -----Original Message----- From: Farquhar, Larry [mailto:larry.farquhar@ipni.com] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 5:26 AM To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] And its Yellow :-) Yea - I've been threatening Connie that I want to trade-in for the Rubicon. It's Jeep's most off-road equipped Jeep ever made. I don't think pricing has been announced yet. Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com -----Original Message----- From: teamcbx2 [mailto:teamcbx2@ev1.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 10:26 PM To: Az-Geocaching Listserv Subject: [Az-Geocaching] And its Yellow :-) 2003 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon http://www.jeep.com/autoshow/news_events/rubicon_premiere.html _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 29 23:51:01 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:51:01 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] A good? Great day caching Message-ID: <000f01c24fb6$ee6bf590$1900a8c0@FBIDaemon> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C24F7C.41E3EAB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah, it was a pretty good day. The liquid-filled hailstones were = hitting the ground like paintballs, and the rain cooled the desert quite = a bit and the only bad part of the trip was the steepness of the hill. = :) BTW, my daughter LOVES the bracelet. She wears it all over the = house, and has been putting it on her dolls she carries around with her = EVERYWHERE she goes. It's very cute to see. But we will definitely have to hook up again for some other caches. = Later this fall, we certainly need to hit King Usery as we discussed = yesterday. I'd be an idiot to want to go up there now, and making that = statement knowing the fact that I was trotting around at Bunker Hills in = this humidity today, doesn't exactly lend me much credibility as a = person with even mild intelligence. =3DD Brian Team A.I. I haven't lost my mind. It's backed up on disk somewhere. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C24F7C.41E3EAB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yeah, it was a pretty good day. = The=20 liquid-filled hailstones were hitting the ground like paintballs, and = the rain=20 cooled the desert quite a bit and the only bad part of the trip was the=20 steepness of the hill. :) BTW, my daughter LOVES the = bracelet. =20 She wears it all over the house, and has been putting it on her dolls = she=20 carries around with her EVERYWHERE she goes. It's very cute to=20 see.

But we will definitely have to hook up = again for=20 some other caches. Later this fall, we certainly need to hit = King=20 Usery as we discussed yesterday. I'd be an idiot to want to go up = there=20 now, and making that statement knowing the fact that I was trotting = around at=20 Bunker Hills in this humidity today, doesn't exactly lend me much = credibility as=20 a person with even mild intelligence. =3DD

Brian

Team A.I.

I haven't lost my mind. It's = backed up on=20 disk somewhere.

------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C24F7C.41E3EAB0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Aug 29 23:58:48 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team A.I.) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:58:48 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Trillian config for IRC Message-ID: <001e01c24fb8$048384a0$1900a8c0@FBIDaemon> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C24F7D.58019440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For anyone that's interested, I figure I'll just post the info here for = how to config trillian to do what you need it to in order to get into = the IRC channel with little effort. Double-click on Trillian to launch it. Right-click on the icon, and selet Preferences. Under Basic Options, if the third box says Do Not Load Trillian at = Startup, click it so that it shows Load Trillian at startup. Next, click on IRC, and on the right, select the first box and leave = default, then click the second box. Click OK, then right-click on Trillian and close it.=20 >From the Pulldown menu (listing all the diff. services you can connect = to) and choose IRC. =20 Click Add on the left side of the window, and a new window pops up. =20 In Description, type in whatever you want (i.e., azgeocaching), and Tab = into the next window.=20 Type irc.azgeocaching.com, then Tab 2x to the Port and enter 6666. =20 Tab again and in Group type Geocaching. =20 Click OK and look at the headings for Personal Information, Identd and = Perform Buffer. =20 If the servername listed shows irc.azgeocaching.com, enter your nickname = into that field. =20 Due to possible disconnects, you are required to enter a second = nickname, so go ahead and make it a variant of your first. =20 For username, put whatever you want, and the same for e-mail address. = Next, click on Perform Buffer and type the following sequence: /j #azgeocaching Click OK. Right-click on the Trillian icon in your System Tray, and close the = program. Double-click on Trillian again and make sure it all works. I realize this may be a lot of info, but it's VERY detailed steps to = prevent missing anything. Brian Team A.I. I haven't lost my mind. It's backed up on disk somewhere. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C24F7D.58019440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

For anyone that's interested, I figure = I'll just=20 post the info here for how to config trillian to do what you need it to = in order=20 to get into the IRC channel with little effort.

Double-click on Trillian to launch = it.

Right-click on the icon, and selet=20 Preferences.

Under Basic Options, if the third box = says Do Not=20 Load Trillian at Startup, click it so that it shows Load Trillian at=20 startup.

Next, click on IRC, and on the right, = select the=20 first box and leave default, then click the second box.

Click OK, then right-click on Trillian = and close=20 it.

From the Pulldown menu (listing all the = diff.=20 services you can connect to) and choose IRC.

Click Add on the left side of the = window, and a new=20 window pops up.

In Description, type in whatever you = want (i.e.,=20 azgeocaching), and Tab into the next window.

Type irc.azgeocaching.com, then Tab 2x = to the Port=20 and enter 6666.

Tab again and in Group type = Geocaching. =20

Click OK and look at the headings for = Personal=20 Information, Identd and Perform Buffer.

If the servername listed shows=20 irc.azgeocaching.com, enter your nickname into that field. =

Due to possible disconnects, you are = required to=20 enter a second nickname, so go ahead and make it a variant of your = first. =20

For username, put whatever you want, = and the same=20 for e-mail address. Next, click on Perform Buffer and type the = following=20 sequence:

/j #azgeocaching

Click OK.

Right-click on the Trillian icon in = your System=20 Tray, and close the program.

Double-click on Trillian again and make = sure it all=20 works.

I realize this may be a lot of info, = but it's VERY=20 detailed steps to prevent missing anything.

Brian

Team A.I.

I haven't lost my mind. It's = backed up on=20 disk somewhere.

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Message-ID: Turn off of Highway 87 at N34� 18.676 / W111�21.996. Turning left coming from Payson towards Pine. As soon as you turn in you'll see our trailer. Look for the Yellow Jeep on the sign. Drive safe, Cody Team CBX2 From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 30 01:57:43 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Larry Farquhar) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 18:57:43 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Additional coordinates for the Campout.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000a01c24fc8$a12364a0$3701a8c0@LARRY> I hope everyone at the campout has fun - I'm sure you will. Although we can't physically attend this year; we'll be there in spirit. Happy Hunting! Larry Farquhar and Family Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 30 02:07:42 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (teamcbx2) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 19:07:42 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Additional coordinates for the Campout.. In-Reply-To: <000a01c24fc8$a12364a0$3701a8c0@LARRY> Message-ID: No worries, The Yellow Jeep album & Wyle E Ambassador in his Yellow Jeep will be present. Cody Team CBX2 -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Larry Farquhar Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 6:58 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Additional coordinates for the Campout.. I hope everyone at the campout has fun - I'm sure you will. Although we can't physically attend this year; we'll be there in spirit. Happy Hunting! Larry Farquhar and Family Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 30 02:25:33 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Chelby Geiss) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 19:25:33 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Additional coordinates for the Campout.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I too wish we could attend the campout! But other geocaching duties call! You guys have a wonderful and safe time in the high country! We'll be there next year for sure! And for those cachers stuck here in the city, don't forget geocaching day at the Pueblo Grande! http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=32825 C:) Team desertSol Chelby & Kevin + Kiva and Lancer (German Shepherds) Apache Junction, AZ www.desertsol.com/~chelby/geocaching From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 30 03:51:28 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (WOLFB8) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 20:51:28 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] funny logs References: Message-ID: <022901c24fd8$8cc75880$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0226_01C24F9D.D88D64C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable check out these logs http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=3D6075 We will be known by the tracks we leave behind ------=_NextPart_000_0226_01C24F9D.D88D64C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_0226_01C24F9D.D88D64C0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 30 04:05:18 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Eric Quinn) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:05:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] funny logs In-Reply-To: <022901c24fd8$8cc75880$bfd36844@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <20020830040518.38720.qmail@web13114.mail.yahoo.com> --- WOLFB8 wrote: > check out these logs > http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=6075 Anymore, when I see an e-mail title like this, I think someone has gone after a certain one of my caches. ;) I love when people typo "I had to use the wench..." I imagine the guy saying "Git over here woman and clear these trees." Eric TD __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 30 05:12:47 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 22:12:47 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] And its Yellow :-) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <005501c24fe3$e3a83f60$026fa8c0@OUR> > 2003 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon Interesting name for that car model... >From the American Heritage Dictionary: "Ru.bi.con (ru'bi-kon') n.: A limit that when passed or exceeded permits of no return and typically results in irrevocable commitment." Steve Team Tierra Buena "...attracting adventure-seekers but creating panic among authorities..." From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 30 05:17:36 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jim Scotti) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 22:17:36 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] And its Yellow :-) In-Reply-To: <005501c24fe3$e3a83f60$026fa8c0@OUR> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Team Tierra Buena wrote: > > 2003 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon > > Interesting name for that car model... > > From the American Heritage Dictionary: "Ru.bi.con (ru'bi-kon') n.: A > limit that when passed or exceeded permits of no return and typically > results in irrevocable commitment." Hmmm, sounds alot like Larry to me! Connie - better hide the checkbook! Jim. Jim Scotti Lunar & Planetary Laboratory jscotti@pirl.lpl.arizona.edu University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 USA http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 30 05:32:40 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 22:32:40 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Martha Message-ID: <00a001c24fe6$a8fe0f90$91f50244@cx301817d> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009D_01C24FAB.FC72F770 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_000_009D_01C24FAB.FC72F770 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C24FAD.CF182DC0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 30 05:58:25 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jim Scotti) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 22:58:25 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Martha In-Reply-To: <001701c24fe8$7c8b34e0$7001b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: Maybe that was the point? Jim. On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Regan Smith wrote: > no image came across > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ken > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 10:32 PM > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Martha > > > > Jim Scotti Lunar & Planetary Laboratory jscotti@pirl.lpl.arizona.edu University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 USA http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 30 15:18:33 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 08:18:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Geocaching on Ch 12 news Friday Message-ID: <20020830081833.10320.h009.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Hey all, Sorry if this is redundant (I haven't read my GC emails for a few days) but I just heard a blurb on the morning news (during the Today) show that Ch 12 (NBC) will be showing something about geocaching on the 11 am news......hmmm.....wonder who they interviewed? (Bob?) Hopefully this will be a more positive, and thus more accurate portrayal of our hobby/sport/adventure game/ obsession/addiction/life purpose (pick your own category!) Peace, Trisha "Lightning" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Although no one can go back and make a brand new start, Anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 30 16:01:30 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ford, Denny) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 09:01:30 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Additional coordinates for the Campout.. Message-ID: The tres hombres plan on driving up for the day, It looks like Sunday will be the day -----Original Message----- From: teamcbx2 [mailto:teamcbx2@ev1.net] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 6:47 PM To: Az-Geocaching Listserv Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Additional coordinates for the Campout.. Turn off of Highway 87 at N34? 18.676 / W111?21.996. Turning left coming from Payson towards Pine. As soon as you turn in you'll see our trailer. Look for the Yellow Jeep on the sign. Drive safe, Cody Team CBX2 _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 30 14:00:10 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 07:00:10 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Martha Message-ID: <00c701c2502d$8e205830$91f50244@cx301817d> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C3_01C24FF2.E19B5A90 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_00C4_01C24FF2.E19B5A90" ------=_NextPart_001_00C4_01C24FF2.E19B5A90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone interested in a subscription? ------=_NextPart_001_00C4_01C24FF2.E19B5A90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Mailing list heads up Message-ID: <1030733726.11799.5.camel@fone.snaptek.com> In a few minutes, I will be switching the machine that is handling this mailing list over to a new source of internet bandwidth. This should give us better service in the future, and save us a little money while we are at it. Anyway, the bottom line is that there might be a little bit of weirdness that goes one for a little bit after I make the switch. This usually happens when the provider you are connected to ignores how long we tell it to cache the IP address of the server and hold onto it for a little too long. When that happens, your mail or web request will go to the old location of the server and find that there is nothing there. In the case of mail, it should continue to retry for sevral days, so your mail should eventually get there. See you on the other bandwidth Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 30 19:19:49 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: 30 Aug 2002 12:19:49 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Mailing list heads up In-Reply-To: <1030733726.11799.5.camel@fone.snaptek.com> References: <1030733726.11799.5.camel@fone.snaptek.com> Message-ID: <1030735189.11799.10.camel@fone.snaptek.com> OK, I have everything switched over now, and this message is mainly just a test to make sure the system is still working after the switch. Let the weirdness begin! Brian Cluff Team Snaptek On Fri, 2002-08-30 at 11:55, Brian Cluff wrote: > In a few minutes, I will be switching the machine that is handling this > mailing list over to a new source of internet bandwidth. This should > give us better service in the future, and save us a little money while > we are at it. > Anyway, the bottom line is that there might be a little bit of weirdness > that goes one for a little bit after I make the switch. This usually > happens when the provider you are connected to ignores how long we tell > it to cache the IP address of the server and hold onto it for a little > too long. When that happens, your mail or web request will go to the > old location of the server and find that there is nothing there. In the > case of mail, it should continue to retry for sevral days, so your mail > should eventually get there. > > See you on the other bandwidth > Brian Cluff > Team Snaptek > > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 30 20:32:13 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 13:32:13 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Geocaching on Ch 12 news Friday In-Reply-To: <20020830081833.10320.h009.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: <000d01c25064$55aae510$026fa8c0@OUR> I didn't see either the broadcast or your email until after it was over, but seeing as how Channel 12 and the Republic are in bed together I wouldn't have let my hopes get too high. Steve Team Tierra Buena "...attracting adventure-seekers but creating panic among authorities..." > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On > Behalf Of trisha@brasher.com > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 8:19 AM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Geocaching on Ch 12 news Friday > > > Hey all, > Sorry if this is redundant (I haven't read my GC emails for a few > days) but I just heard a blurb on the morning news (during > the Today) show that Ch 12 (NBC) will be showing something > about geocaching on the 11 am news......hmmm.....wonder who > they interviewed? (Bob?) Hopefully this will be a more > positive, and thus more accurate portrayal of our > hobby/sport/adventure game/ obsession/addiction/life purpose > (pick your own category!) Peace, Trisha "Lightning" > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > "Although no one can go back and > make a brand new start, > Anyone can start from now and > make a brand new ending." > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocachin g Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 30 21:04:29 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Mark Heitowit) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:04:29 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another article Message-ID: <20020830210429.26031.qmail@uadvg137.cms.usa.net> There is a front page article in the Peoria Independant called "Caching In" this week. It has a mostly positive spin and also a front page photo of a local cacher. Unfortunately I could not find a link to an online version. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Aug 30 22:57:32 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 15:57:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Geocaching on Ch 12 news Friday Message-ID: <20020830155736.19775.h005.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Actually, I didn't see the part about geocaching, probably due the coverage of the late-breaking baseball announcements (no strike, yea!). Methinks it was pre-empted... Trisha On Fri, 30 August 2002, "Team Tierra Buena" wrote: > > I didn't see either the broadcast or your email until after it was > over, > but seeing as how Channel 12 and the Republic are in bed together I > wouldn't have let my hopes get too high. > > Steve > Team Tierra Buena > "...attracting adventure-seekers but creating panic among > authorities..." > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On > > Behalf Of trisha@brasher.com > > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 8:19 AM > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Geocaching on Ch 12 news Friday > > > > > > Hey all, > > Sorry if this is redundant (I haven't read my GC emails for a few > > days) but I just heard a blurb on the morning news (during > > the Today) show that Ch 12 (NBC) will be showing something > > about geocaching on the 11 am news......hmmm.....wonder who > > they interviewed? (Bob?) Hopefully this will be a more > > positive, and thus more accurate portrayal of our > > hobby/sport/adventure game/ obsession/addiction/life purpose > > (pick your own category!) Peace, Trisha "Lightning" > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > "Although no one can go back and > > make a brand new start, > > Anyone can start from now and > > make a brand new ending." > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > _______________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list > > listserv@azgeocaching.com > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocachin > g > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Although no one can go back and make a brand new start, Anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 31 02:31:40 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Justin Sever) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 19:31:40 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another article In-Reply-To: <20020830210429.26031.qmail@uadvg137.cms.usa.net> Message-ID: <003801c25096$89f44a00$0200a8c0@laptop7500> Wohoo! I went out with them a week or so ago and they said the story was going to be out Thursday. She is e-mailing me a copy of the paper. I will scan it in and send it to Brian when I get it. -Frobro Goose -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Mark Heitowit Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 2:04 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another article There is a front page article in the Peoria Independant called "Caching In" this week. It has a mostly positive spin and also a front page photo of a local cacher. Unfortunately I could not find a link to an online version. _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Aug 31 03:17:41 2002 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (patrick hopkins) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 20:17:41 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Mailing list heads up In-Reply-To: Brian Cluff 's message of 30 Aug 2002 11:55:26 -0700 Message-ID: <11778-3D703555-1218@storefull-2178.public.lawson.webtv.net> --WebTV-Mail-6891-638 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit brian, we read this mailing list daily, and want to thank you for all your effort, time, and $. it would do our hearts good to be able to contribute to the expenses you incur. we sincerely hope this doesn't offend you, or anyone else, but please feel free to mail us dirrct for any help we may be able to contribute. team lake havasu --WebTV-Mail-6891-638 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from smtpin-2107.public.lawson.webtv.net (209.240.213.117) by storefull-2176.public.lawson.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:11:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns2.sequoia.net (wsip68-14-243-57.ph.ph.cox.net [68.14.243.57]) by smtpin-2107.public.lawson.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 579F0FE5B for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:11:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns2.sequoia.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ns2.sequoia.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17836; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:10:44 -0700 Received: from sequoia.net (SEQUOIA.NET [207.246.52.5]) by ns2.sequoia.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17745 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:05:53 -0700 Received: from fone.snaptek.com (fone.snaptek.com [207.246.52.47]) by sequoia.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0915624A836 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:03:54 -0700 (MST) From: Brian Cluff To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8-1mdk Message-Id: <1030733726.11799.5.camel@fone.snaptek.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Mailing list heads up Sender: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com Errors-To: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com X-BeenThere: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.7 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List for discussing Geocaching in Arizona List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: 30 Aug 2002 11:55:26 -0700 In a few minutes, I will be switching the machine that is handling this mailing list over to a new source of internet bandwidth. This should give us better service in the future, and save us a little money while we are at it. Anyway, the bottom line is that there might be a little bit of weirdness that goes one for a little bit after I make the switch. This usually happens when the provider you are connected to ignores how long we tell it to cache the IP address of the server and hold onto it for a little too long. When that happens, your mail or web request will go to the old location of the server and find that there is nothing there. In the case of mail, it should continue to retry for sevral days, so your mail should eventually get there. See you on the other bandwidth Brian Cluff Team Snaptek _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com --WebTV-Mail-6891-638--